Chat Logs for Episode 193 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


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06:59:50 PMdman810 here we go~~
06:59:51 PMdman810 !!
06:59:52 PMGregInTexas Plants vs Zombies came out for android
07:00:05 PMChrista Is anyone joining us today who has never joined us live?
07:00:08 PMAmazing-Gadwil Sound should be there now.
07:00:12 PMChrista Any new bodies in here tonight?
07:00:31 PMfinalblogger whts the catch christa:)
07:00:34 PMGregInTexas I have some zombies on my phone that are watching
07:00:39 PMGoodGuy I wish. My body is old :-(
07:01:40 PMdavidmallette 28 in Mtl today nice
07:01:54 PMAmazing-Gadwil aww... I thought he would say " Retire " after Steve Jobs.
07:01:55 PMagamotto I am just happy to be back from visiting the family.... once again, I have learned to appreciate living 150mi away.
07:02:01 PMJVSCC Howdy
07:02:07 PMchrisreich People of Earth, Greetings.
07:02:33 PMGregInTexas gaak ... somehow I managed to get two show windows up ... hard to understand two streams at once
07:02:40 PMAmazing-Gadwil Nice of you to join us Christa.
07:02:48 PMChrista No? no new viewers in the chat room tonight?
07:02:51 PMfinalblogger looking great
07:02:55 PMdman810 I cant get any show to come up?
07:03:11 PMagamotto GregInTexas- bad stereo effects?
07:03:13 PMDosbomber Im an old viewer, and getting older by the minute
07:03:24 PMGregInTexas one of them was delayed from the other
07:03:49 PMGregInTexas shoot ... I took my pictures but forgot to send them in
07:04:10 PMDosbomber Does he use the iPad as a desktop extention?
07:04:21 PMDosbomber ...extension.
07:04:25 PMAmazing-Gadwil I got one, but got too busy to send it in. Graduation is next week, so everything is hectic with school now.
07:05:36 PMGoodGuy Giada N20 is a small PC Robbie
07:05:43 PMdman810 BRB in the chat got video to work, waiting on commercial
07:05:58 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- Happy to be done with it, I am sure!
07:05:59 PMGoodGuy They reviewed it a couple months ago in Linux Journal mag
07:06:22 PMAmazing-Gadwil agamotto, I hope. I may not graduate depending on my final exam grade in Ecology class. Other than that I should be good.
07:06:28 PMgsiegel that was a cool review in linux journal
07:06:45 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- How could you have trouble with that?
07:06:51 PMJVSCC and the day I missed last show u give away a Pogo Waaaaa
07:07:00 PMGoodGuy Newegg had another Giada mini-pc on sale a week or so ago
07:07:15 PMdman810 Ok I am back!
07:07:19 PMAmazing-Gadwil agamotto, I sort-of didnt do most of my work all year, and dont really know exactly what will be on the exam or how the questions will be. So I am basically in a bad place.
07:07:23 PMchrisreich RobbieF Christa Do you have a preferred filesytem and if so, why?
07:07:23 PMGoodGuy wb dman810
07:07:33 PMdman810 GoodGuy - Thanks
07:07:44 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- Now why would you set yourself up like that?
07:08:33 PMAmazing-Gadwil agamotto, Because it is what is really going on. I am not covering it up. I am hoping for a B on the exam, But only NEED a D. So I should be fine with a roughly 60 question test. Simply unsure.
07:08:50 PMagamotto multiple hard drives, several threads running concurrently....
07:09:29 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- Fair enough. I would just think that it would be a fairly easy class to keep up with, no?
07:09:45 PMGoodGuy Not all of us poor folk have 12 gb of memory..... hence Tiny Core Linux and other small distros
07:09:54 PMGoodGuy Linux is for everyone
07:10:12 PMGoodGuy Puppy Linux family also
07:10:13 PMGregInTexas I page with 4 gig of ram, not much, but some
07:10:20 PMdman810 I Love what linux can do for my old machines!
07:10:24 PMagamotto GoodGuy- You forget how many people suffer from keep-up -itis
07:11:00 PMGoodGuy But others enjoy repurposing old hardware for NAS boxes, firewalls etc
07:11:00 PMagamotto My old Thinkpad does wonders, despite being single-core and nearly six years old.
07:11:03 PMchrisreich RobbieF so how much ram does that system have?
07:11:12 PMgsiegel keep-u-itis = the plague.. haha
07:11:17 PMAmazing-Gadwil agamotto, Yes. But I am simply unsure of certain areas. With that I dont know what percentage of the test those areas make up for. So I need to study a bit in those things and I should be good. My teacher says it is mostly comprehension of the ideas, so I should do amazing on it.
07:11:43 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- Ah, so more a case of jitters than anything else
07:11:44 PMAmazing-Gadwil I have 8 GB RAM in my system and typically have 4GB Swap.
07:12:00 PMAmazing-Gadwil agamotto, yes, mainly since it is the biggest thing right now that decides if I graduate or not.
07:12:03 PMJVSCC RobbiF-Christa, Long time ago u showed how to use Synaptic package manager, to add effects to windows, ie windows would act like it burst into flames when you open and close etc.. can we still do this in new OS?
07:12:11 PMGoodGuy Wasnt the old recommendayion 2x your real memory size?
07:12:15 PMagamotto This conversation reminds me of the Doctor and his timey-wimey speech
07:12:33 PMfinalblogger ok Christa
07:12:33 PMGoodGuy You want Compiz JVSCC
07:12:40 PMfinalblogger when can i ask question
07:12:41 PMRaffer in the old days it was i think
07:12:43 PMfinalblogger ?
07:12:44 PMnjsf GoodGuy: yes. that kinda started dying down once PAE and 64 bit became common
07:12:45 PMBattletank swappyness must be a canadian english word
07:12:47 PMdman810 the only thing I do not like about linux is its printer support
07:12:47 PMchrisreich GoodGuy that was for old systems w/o GUI, i.e. servers, not desktops.
07:12:58 PMdman810 but I know that is not linux fault
07:13:04 PMGoodGuy It is having some issues in Ubuntu 11.04 and its offshoots
07:13:08 PMJVSCC yes ISO would be great!
07:13:11 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- The biggest thing standing in the way of my HS graduation was politics... some thought that it would slow me down somehow...
07:13:25 PMagamotto GoodGuy- yes, 2x physical ram
07:13:27 PMJVSCC Thanks GoodGuy
07:13:40 PMagamotto finalblogger- Any time
07:13:43 PMAmazing-Gadwil JVSCC, Certain things yes. But it looks as if you will need to downgrade in order to get most of it working as it used to.
07:14:05 PMAmazing-Gadwil I am unsure of the Compiz/Unity issue as I am dumping Ubuntu completely due to the Unity switch.
07:14:10 PMGoodGuy The Desktop cube is having problems JVSCC
07:14:32 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- Linux Mint?
07:14:38 PMJVSCC I mainly like the windows flaming and wobble effect...
07:14:46 PMAmazing-Gadwil I think Mint should work just fine since they arent using Unity.
07:14:58 PMGoodGuy There is a podcast by a guy who occasionally uses language not suitable for some company, but he covers Compiz
07:15:14 PMGregInTexas I think there is an article on OMGubuntu about getting compviz cube working under unity
07:15:52 PMGoodGuy If you are still interested, check out gotbletu or close to that in Miro
07:15:56 PMAmazing-Gadwil JVSCC, I cant help in that area due to my lack of experience with it. But I dont think they will work with the Unity UI. I think Downgrading would be worth a shot, but I am not responsible for any breakage.
07:16:24 PMGoodGuy I have his feed in Miro, but its on my WinXP Box (blue screen producer)
07:16:43 PMfinalblogger hai Christa and Robbie
07:16:46 PMajamison5579 RobbieF i want a 1PB DVR
07:16:47 PMfinalblogger tell me
07:16:47 PMagamotto JVSCC- I am sticking with 10.04 for many of the reasons you mention
07:16:56 PMagamotto ewwwwwwww
07:17:08 PMagamotto Why not AmigaDOS?
07:17:09 PMagamotto heheheheehehe
07:17:11 PMfinalblogger is there anyother tech show that i can watch?
07:17:14 PMfinalblogger for free
07:17:17 PMGoodGuy btrfs in the future :-)
07:17:18 PMfinalblogger live
07:17:26 PMagamotto ajamison5579- 1PB?????
07:17:26 PMAmazing-Gadwil RobbieF, Or do you want " WinFS " for Windows?
07:17:27 PMGoodGuy Tons finalblogger
07:17:33 PMDosbomber I work with a guy who swears Amiga was the best computer ever created
07:17:34 PMAmazing-Gadwil * Joke from upcoming Windows 8 *
07:17:38 PMchrisreich good answer RobbieF. Thank you.
07:17:54 PMGoodGuy Download Miro and look for Linux feeds
07:17:54 PMagamotto finalblogger- yes, many are available through Miro, and revision3 among other sources
07:18:20 PMDosbomber ^^^^ What he said
07:18:31 PMchrisreich RIKE
07:18:41 PMajamison5579 PB = Peta Byte 1000 TB
07:18:42 PMagamotto RobbieF- Why would you have data loss with ext4 and UPS supplies?
07:18:47 PMGoodGuy RIKE sounds German
07:19:07 PMchrisreich rhymes w/ LIKE
07:19:11 PMJVSCC Compiz is what i ment to say,,,yes
07:19:13 PMBattletank I would assume reich as in the german reichstag
07:19:23 PMagamotto Dosbomber- I wont say that, but the operating system was logical...
07:19:25 PMchrisreich RobbieF rhymes w/ LIKE
07:19:51 PMJVSCC will it work with unity?
07:19:57 PMagamotto I love my beaming windows...
07:20:33 PMJVSCC Great oh well...
07:20:49 PMAmazing-Gadwil JVSCC, I wouldnt recommend Unity as a mian system until at least 11.10 when it becomes a little mature.
07:21:00 PMajamison5579 agamotto did you see when i explained what a PB is
07:21:05 PMJVSCC Thanks!
07:21:07 PMagamotto JVSCC- Or unless you have a touch-screen...
07:21:09 PMfinalblogger what kind of firewalls i can install in Ubuntu
07:21:11 PMfinalblogger ?
07:21:12 PMagamotto ajamison5579- yes
07:21:15 PMdavidmallette I had to re install 3x due to the Compiz issue. Will not use it now.
07:21:17 PMGregInTexas Im thinking Ill stick with pure gnome
07:21:22 PMAmazing-Gadwil Terminal?
07:21:34 PMGoodGuy SMC routers have a real serial port
07:21:38 PMdavidmallette Sticking to Gnome too.
07:21:53 PMajamison5579 is he trying to connect a commercial router
07:21:57 PMjonathon USB to serial adapter?
07:22:00 PMchrisreich RobbieF he wants to emulate a dumb terminal
07:22:04 PMGregInTexas Ive done that
07:22:11 PMGoodGuy I still have a couple.... SMC7004BR
07:22:17 PMGregInTexas I bought a little hardware adaptor
07:22:20 PMAmazing-Gadwil perhaps, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-18.html#term_as_console ????
07:22:34 PMagamotto I assume it would be something found at Provantage.com, or cyberguys.com.... those folks do all manner of specialty adapters like that
07:22:38 PMJVSCC LOL
07:22:46 PMfinalblogger firewall suggestions for ubuntu
07:22:48 PMgsiegel I have my ii.04 system running with classic interface , after this round of certifications done going back to 10.10
07:22:49 PMfinalblogger ?
07:22:55 PMGoodGuy I used to set it up to fallback to Dialup if the cable modem was down... our daughter was doing online college classes
07:23:03 PMajamison5579 most motherboards come with a Com node but no port hooked to it my Motherboard forexample has a spot for one if I could find a port i merely need hook it up to that node
07:23:05 PMgsiegel Unity makes me sad.. ha ha
07:23:08 PMagamotto finalblogger- doesnt really need one
07:23:09 PMGregInTexas I got mine from newegg, but it was a couple years ago
07:23:34 PMAmazing-Gadwil This is the upper level to that post, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-10.html ... Might have more info.
07:23:34 PMGuest43020 If he wants a cable they do make USB to serial convertors. Check the catalogs.
07:23:44 PMajamison5579 Unity makes me angry they do not want to make me angry
07:23:50 PMGoodGuy Procomm Plus software used to do dumb terminal emulation
07:24:04 PMgsiegel ha ha ajamison
07:24:27 PMfinalblogger check UK plzz
07:24:36 PMagamotto Who is that way up north?
07:24:36 PMScorpio55 finalblogger firewall is built in its called ufw for the gui install gufw
07:24:36 PMajamison5579 RobbieF your candian its ok we probably can not pronounce half the provinces in Canada
07:24:49 PMfinalblogger ohh ok thats nice
07:24:54 PMagamotto Oooo, Nova Scotia
07:24:57 PMfinalblogger thanks Scorpio
07:25:01 PMGoodGuy I recall Bryan Lunduke of the Linux Action Show uses Telnet to get into an old BBS system he runs because he can .. I guess lol
07:25:17 PMdavidmallette Hola a todos en Cuba.
07:25:25 PMfinalblogger soo can i change settings
07:25:25 PMDosbomber Your influence is spreading, Robbie
07:25:26 PMAmazing-Gadwil This seems to have some info, might be outdated though. http://linux.about.com/od/ttl_howto/a/hwtttl10t06.htm
07:25:27 PMfinalblogger ?
07:25:33 PMAmazing-Gadwil ^^ For terminal emulators in Linux.
07:25:45 PMagamotto I wonder if that is kevoh....
07:26:03 PMDosbomber Wow, look at GB
07:26:04 PMajamison5579 wow Robbie is taking over Europe
07:26:10 PMfinalblogger wow
07:26:10 PMagamotto Wow, lot of people staying up late in in Europe
07:26:10 PMGoodGuy He gave the name of some telnet software to try out his BBS.... I tried it, but Im on a Linux system now
07:26:13 PMfinalblogger london
07:26:17 PMfinalblogger i m in london
07:26:19 PMfinalblogger :)
07:26:21 PMdman810 who is out in the Atlantic off Africa?
07:26:23 PMgsiegel Robbie for president!
07:26:25 PMtordeu YAY. Germany
07:26:40 PMgsiegel Prost!
07:26:49 PMRaffer i think he clicked me there :))
07:26:49 PMGregInTexas thats a lot of folks
07:27:00 PMtordeu lol. Thanks, gsiegel
07:27:08 PMagamotto dman810- Someone vacationing in the Seychelles?
07:27:20 PMdman810 agamotto - sweet
07:27:30 PMGoodGuy William and Kate were agamotto
07:27:31 PMDosbomber I think he clicked on me at the beginning... I felt it.. it hurt a bit.
07:27:36 PMajamison5579 I want to see the viewer sitting on the northpole watching this
07:27:52 PMGoodGuy I thought thats where they wen on the honeymoon
07:27:59 PMagamotto I just wouldnt want one of those giant orange flags in my town!
07:28:24 PMdman810 Robbie does not even mention US any more there are so many of us!
07:28:26 PMagamotto Hmmm, no one on Okinawa, apparently
07:28:27 PMajamison5579 GDay mate sorry that is my bad Australian impression
07:28:35 PMAmazing-Gadwil dman810, I think that is the point.
07:28:48 PMtordeu I bet there are people on the ISS and they are disappointed, because they cant find themselves on the map.
07:28:52 PMdman810 Well I guess I should move!
07:28:54 PMBattleTank Im getting a 500 error on http://www.category5.tv/ currently. must be overloaded
07:28:56 PMGregInTexas very "cool" ... iceland
07:29:09 PMGregInTexas it was 112 degrees in texas a couple days ago
07:29:21 PMAmazing-Gadwil Battletank, I get no 500 error.
07:29:23 PMgsiegel and now to the weather.. ha ha
07:29:25 PMGoodGuy I thought Greenland was icy and Iceland had a lot of green
07:29:31 PMBattleTank odd Amazing-Gadwil
07:29:33 PMagamotto GoodGuy- correct
07:29:38 PMDosbomber 112?! I know where Im *NOT* moving to...
07:29:43 PMgsiegel 83 degrees here in NJ
07:29:58 PMGregInTexas pretty hot for May ...
07:29:59 PMAmazing-Gadwil BattleTank, I am a frequent visitor. the router and server may make room for me at any time.
07:29:59 PMfinalblogger hi hillary
07:30:00 PMagamotto 112 is fine, as long as the humidity is below 40%
07:30:11 PMagamotto 80 and 70% is torture
07:30:13 PMGregInTexas I know how frying bacon feels
07:30:15 PMgsiegel LOL!!!
07:30:17 PMGoodGuy A friend I chat with flies into Norway and they stop in Iceland on some trips
07:30:17 PMajamison5579 Sky.Net is near
07:30:24 PMajamison5579 run for your lives
07:30:25 PMBattleTank hmmm Amazing-Gadwil
07:30:33 PMgsiegel i guess skype now needs SP3
07:30:58 PMagamotto Wow, I go on vacation for a few days, and the world unravels....
07:30:59 PMGregInTexas hmmm ... I was just on skype
07:31:00 PMAmazing-Gadwil gsiegel, Or Unity.
07:31:06 PMGoodGuy Wonder how fast Skype for Linux will get enhancements
07:31:11 PMDosbomber Yep, its all your fault, agamotto
07:31:28 PMgsiegel true that Gadwil
07:31:41 PMAmazing-Gadwil GoodGuy, take the work on it from the past 4 years, and multiply that by 8 for the release to Skype 5 for Linux.
07:31:50 PMAmazing-Gadwil 3.0! YAY!
07:32:04 PMGregInTexas wow
07:32:28 PMagamotto I would be happy if 50% of the people in my life would settle on ONE method to IM/videochat
07:32:59 PMchrisreich I had to leave for the past 5-6 minutes. Hope I didnt miss much.
07:33:02 PMGoodGuy What is VSS?
07:33:34 PMagamotto Hmmm, yet another reason to keep my stupidphone
07:33:40 PMgsiegel Grr - not happy I gave money to MS for the my HTC.
07:33:46 PMfinalblogger wht happened?
07:33:56 PMnjsf GoodGuy: hope you do not mean in the source control space... It used to mean Visual Source Safe, or Visual Screw Source
07:33:57 PMagamotto Yet another M$ tax....
07:34:05 PMajamison5579 I will not be buying HTC
07:34:18 PMYazid1965 Cool Beans!!!!!!! :-D
07:34:19 PMGregInTexas M$ has outlived its usefullness
07:34:22 PMajamison5579 because i do not need nor want a cell phone
07:34:25 PMgsiegel Yeah, forget increasing taxes -- just tell MS to stop double dipping
07:34:33 PMGoodGuy I dont mind giving money to anyone if I like the product.... I try not to be anti anything
07:34:37 PMagamotto ajamison5579- Problem is that HTC makes nearly 40% of other peoples models.
07:34:44 PMajamison5579 Robbief it is not called Skype now it is Sky.net
07:34:52 PMGregInTexas Im having a lot of fun with my htc ... would hate to give it up
07:34:52 PMAmazing-Gadwil Christa, If Hillary will be on that system for the rest of the show, switch Nicks.
07:35:00 PMagamotto ajamison5579- nah, that is reserved for google
07:35:21 PMGregInTexas look great!
07:35:48 PMAmazing-Gadwil Or she will leave.... Why cant we have all 3 co-hosts at once?
07:35:54 PMagamotto Pogoplug, Planet Calypso, and the letter r. Guest apperance by the number 5!
07:36:08 PMgsiegel there should a show of just calypso stuff. - might gain more interest in it
07:36:12 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- lack of camera staff?
07:36:26 PMDosbomber 3 co-hosts? Whos the third?
07:36:42 PMGoodGuy Does Robbies mic drive anyone else nuts... I thought it was a laser dot on his face until figuring out it was a mic
07:36:52 PMnjsf GoodGuy: if it is on the network realm, then it is a virtual service switch, basically a firewall + load balancer with fancy config options
07:36:54 PMYazid1965 lol
07:36:54 PMtordeu I came late and I was afraid Christa was not there tonight....
07:36:59 PMAmazing-Gadwil agamotto, No idea.
07:37:13 PMchrisreich cyborg!
07:37:16 PMGregInTexas I thought Robbie had a growth ... then I figured out it was a mic
07:37:20 PMGoodGuy Thanks njsf
07:37:20 PMdman810 RobbieF - How do I find other views in Planet Calypso?
07:37:20 PMAmazing-Gadwil It does give nice audio quality though.
07:37:30 PMGregInTexas yea, it sounds great
07:37:39 PMdman810 RobbieF - I mean other Viewers
07:37:42 PMDosbomber The headset sounds good, but that tumor on the side of your mouth is distracting...
07:37:42 PMtordeu I cant concentrate on the microphones as long as Christa is in the frame.
07:37:56 PMGoodGuy Audio quality is great. I didnt realize it was a mic at first.. It looked like a moving laser dot
07:38:02 PMchrisreich where is Christas mic?
07:38:07 PMnjsf Rob.Oh :)
07:38:11 PMgsiegel Category 5 goes Bling
07:38:24 PMdman810 I think Robbies chest hair is causing feedback!
07:38:34 PMGregInTexas make it one of those alternate reality queues
07:38:40 PMJVSCC Works great
07:38:41 PMtordeu lol, dman810
07:39:06 PMagamotto it is a shame that you cant do the show with some bluetooth headsets
07:39:08 PMnjsf not "brand new", just returning after about 1yr absence :)
07:39:08 PMGregInTexas you can get lapel mics that sound quite good as well
07:39:22 PMGuest43020 Audio from both sounds good.
07:39:37 PMGregInTexas yea, Christa sounds great also
07:39:48 PMGoodGuy Robbie - Christa ... Is there any way to make a Ustream windows without the web page borders
07:39:56 PMDosbomber No interference from neighbors wireless phones.... thats a good thing.
07:40:03 PMagamotto Just dont forget to put a fuzzy on the mics
07:40:49 PMagamotto RobbieF- Iget my trackballs from cyberguys.com... yiou can even get lefty models.
07:40:54 PMgsiegel Logitech wave keyboard is great
07:40:55 PMnjsf I prefer the Trackman with the ball on the left side (ie thumb will move)
07:41:00 PMYazid1965 their trackballs last forever. I own two of them.
07:41:10 PMchrisreich I use a WACOM tablet RobbieF Christa. I have *severe* carpal tunnel syndrome that has literally disabled me.
07:41:26 PMDosbomber Ouch Chris
07:41:37 PMagamotto I have been using trackballs and ergo keyboards for over 10 years
07:41:54 PMnjsf for a small keyboard I _love_ the lenovo thinkpad keyboard with the trackpoint (ie the little dot between GHB)
07:41:57 PMAmazing-Gadwil I prefer touch-screen devices.
07:42:41 PMdman810 RobbieF - What is a good UPS to use?
07:42:43 PMagamotto I learned proper posture from piano practice
07:42:48 PMnjsf This keyboard http://www.amazon.com/ThinkPad-USB-Keyboard-with-TrackPoint/dp/B002ONCC6G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1306885346&sr=8-1
07:42:52 PMDosbomber After 30 years of banging on keyboards and all the other little detailed crafty things I do (electronics), I believe its some sort of miracle Ive managed to avoid Carpal Tunnel or Repetitive Stress type problems.
07:43:29 PMGregInTexas I use laptops ... have for almost 20 years ... do more damage to my wrist playing guitar than typing
07:43:31 PMGoodGuy Old typewritters to slow them down
07:43:35 PMagamotto Another Dvorak user!!!!!
07:43:45 PMGoodGuy wb JVSCC
07:44:01 PMGregInTexas how long does it take to switch to dvorak?
07:44:11 PMDosbomber Depends on the user
07:44:12 PMgsiegel Logitech Wave Wireless Keyboard+Mouse http://uncategorized.sendori.com/search?q=www.logiterch.com&s=pEl7RJ493qdLT8Pq
07:44:17 PMagamotto Dosbomber- You probably dont slouch, etc....
07:44:32 PMGoodGuy IIRC Dvorak was NOT named after John C Dvorak
07:44:36 PMnjsf If you use emacs, a foot pedal is also neat: http://www.xkeys.com/xkeys/xkfoot.php
07:44:42 PMDosbomber lol... no it wasnt
07:44:44 PMagamotto I can do about 70wpm reliably with Dvorak
07:45:15 PMagamotto GregInTexas- About three weeks to be comfortable, if you are a touch-typist
07:45:31 PMGregInTexas wow, thats not too bad
07:45:41 PMchrisreich RobbieF Christa I question the wisdom of re-learning a new keyboard layout - time to re-learn will cause stress in itself. Ive been touch typing QWERTY far too long to re-learn now. Im certainly older than you.
07:45:55 PMagamotto Technically, it is pronounces Devorjak
07:45:57 PMGregInTexas my wife started texting with Message Ease on her phone ... shes up to 40 wpm on a touch
07:46:24 PMGoodGuy Yes everything but the actual video
07:46:31 PMfinalblogger i am going to buy a desktop
07:46:42 PMfinalblogger which one should i go for?
07:46:48 PMagamotto chrisreich- stress? I seriously doubt that... muscle-memory confusion perhaps.....
07:46:51 PMGoodGuy I am seeing an entire Firefox screen
07:47:13 PMAmazing-Gadwil Interesting Dvorak/Qwerty keyboard. http://amzn.to/k4jlZS
07:47:15 PMajamison5579 why would you want to use dvorak instead of qwerty
07:47:17 PMJVSCC I do not like the commercials on justin tv...
07:47:18 PMfinalblogger dell or sony or hp
07:47:47 PMGoodGuy I see a Firefox page with the video in the middle
07:47:59 PMchrisreich agamotto - the stress of over-use; the time needed to re-learn a new layout vs. the amount of work done. Since I can no longer earn a living w/ my hands.
07:48:10 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- Actually, that keyboard would be an ergonomic nightmare
07:48:13 PMfinalblogger wht happened?
07:48:25 PMAmazing-Gadwil agamotto, Ergonomics is not an issue for me personally.
07:48:45 PMchrisreich RobbieF in a past life I used one of those MS ergonomic keyboards. I can recommend it.
07:48:54 PMagamotto ajamison5579- less movement from the home row, less flexion of wrists, etc... most people who switch gain 30% in typing rate
07:49:03 PMDosbomber My world is QWERTY. Unless every computer I deal with on a daily basis goes DVORAK, I have no purpose in learning a new keyboard layout.
07:49:20 PMagamotto Amazing-Gadwil- it may be once you get into your 30s and 40s
07:49:32 PMAmazing-Gadwil RobbieF, That is a Comfort Curve, I can tell from the shape.
07:49:32 PMGregInTexas thats been my issue in the past, Dosbomer
07:50:12 PMagamotto I still have and use my original M$ Natural on my main box
07:50:14 PMchrisreich RobbieF as they say "its all in the wrist". The straighter you can keep your wrist, the better.
07:50:27 PMgsiegel I wonder if anyone will finally make laptop built in keyboards more ergo
07:50:35 PMagamotto That thing is nearly 13 years old, and still going
07:50:42 PMchrisreich I wish gsiegel
07:50:58 PMAmazing-Gadwil I gtg, be back soon hopefully.
07:52:33 PMJVSCC Having fun...
07:52:54 PMJVSCC LOL
07:53:01 PMgsiegel Regarding swap - I just loaded up my 3 VMs on my Ubuntu box and none of the 8GB of swap space is being touched
07:53:05 PMJVSCC Are you two brother and sister lol
07:53:18 PMagamotto I know that back when I worked in an office, my productivity was well above others, simply because I used form letters and mail-merge. It cut down on trips to the copier!
07:53:55 PMchrisreich RobbieF I see two beverage glasses near your equipment. That concerns me. I use a Nalgene bottle which has a screw top. I screw it shut after every "glug". Never killed equipment yet.
07:54:01 PMagamotto JVSCC- they act like it sometimes, dont they?
07:54:12 PMJVSCC yes lol
07:54:27 PMJVSCC LOL
07:54:31 PMGregInTexas lol ... Ive killed a lot of keyboards over the years ...
07:54:31 PMYazid1965 lol
07:54:38 PMfinalblogger which desktop system you suggest me to buy
07:54:40 PMfinalblogger ?
07:55:02 PMdman810 RobbieF - what kind of UPS do you have?
07:55:05 PMfinalblogger no not mac
07:55:13 PMfinalblogger dell or sony
07:55:14 PMJVSCC RobbieF do you have a meter or something showing progress of donations?
07:55:14 PMagamotto the main advantage of Dvorak is that your left home row is aeiou and the right is htns, the most frequently used letters in most Western alphabets
07:55:46 PMDosbomber agamotto: E, T, A, O, I, N... in that order.
07:55:55 PMchrisreich Macs are not built w/ commodity hardware. You cant compare their cost/value directly. TCOS favors Macs.
07:56:07 PMGregInTexas get a flow-through
07:56:21 PMagamotto Dosbomber- eh, what language?
07:56:28 PMDosbomber English. :P
07:56:30 PMBattleTank what caused the surge
07:56:40 PMGuest43020 Ive been using APC UPSs for years. I
07:56:45 PMGuest43020 sorry
07:56:57 PMagamotto Dosbomber- interesting, all of mine in English have been aeiou htns
07:57:04 PMjonathon finalblogger Why not build your own desktop?
07:57:08 PMGuest43020 Ive had very good luck with them. I highly recommend them.
07:57:10 PMchrisreich RobbieF I agree w/ your analysis
07:57:15 PMdman810 Does insurance cover any of that?
07:57:16 PMAmazing-Gadwil gsiegel, How much RAM do you have? How much is dedicated TOTAL to the VMs? and how much is currently being used? It wont touch SWAP unless needed, and the VMs only use as much RAM as needed.
07:57:23 PMfinalblogger hmm
07:57:27 PMagamotto Guest43020- I agree bullet-proof
07:57:28 PMfinalblogger interesting
07:57:31 PMDosbomber My first and only APC UPS caught fire as soon as I plugged it in
07:57:40 PMBattleTank all ups do is shutdown machine gracefully
07:58:00 PMGregInTexas Im not all that happy with APCs as of the last few years
07:58:09 PMagamotto RobbieF- You spoke earlier about problems with ext4 and UPSs? What are the issues?
07:58:33 PMGregInTexas I did that overclocking once
07:58:35 PMjonathon Eaton offers a warranty on the batteries (3 years I think)
07:58:53 PMGregInTexas created a four inch arc ... pretty wild
07:59:13 PMAmazing-Gadwil as far as I know the differences are only in the way 4 journals vs 3.
07:59:25 PMagamotto Ok, just hadnt heard anything about it
07:59:26 PMgsiegel 8 GB, and most of the VMs have 1 GB
07:59:32 PMnjsf also the use of B-Trees
07:59:37 PMnjsf a la reiserfs
07:59:46 PMAmazing-Gadwil gsiegel, That is why SWAP isnt being touched. Your not using enough RAM.
08:00:09 PMchrisreich I havent studied the matter, but I would have thought ext4 to be an improvement in all areas, or at least not worse.
08:00:16 PMagamotto go figure
08:00:24 PMAmazing-Gadwil I want BTRFS to be developed quicker.
08:00:31 PMgsiegel This is why I chose Ubuntu as my host :) machine has been rock solid with all VMs running at one time
08:00:36 PMchrisreich fun show RobbieF. Many thanks.
08:00:37 PMBattleTank next show..file systems in details perhaps?
08:00:49 PMchrisreich good idea BattleTank
08:00:53 PMGregInTexas that would be an interesting show, actually
08:01:00 PMYazid1965 Good Night Gang
08:01:06 PMnjsf gn all
08:01:07 PMgpop7 goodnight everyone
08:01:07 PMJVSCC Chow for now, Im busy cooking Orange Chicken for dinner...
08:01:11 PMAmazing-Gadwil A good 5 star episode RobbieF.
08:01:13 PMchrisreich yum
08:01:14 PMgsiegel Rock out...
08:01:18 PMgsiegel time to study
08:01:23 PMGregInTexas good show yall
08:01:30 PMfinalblogger christa
08:01:33 PMfinalblogger great
08:01:36 PMRobbieF Thanks everyone!
08:01:38 PMChrista I....finalblogger
08:01:39 PMfinalblogger robbie good
08:01:40 PMDosbomber Cool beans!! hahahahahahahahahahaha
08:01:43 PMfinalblogger :)
08:01:49 PMagamotto I sure know that I would love for future *NIXes to move to a more friendly organization, ala AmigaDOS
08:01:53 PMGregInTexas c o o k i e s
08:02:01 PMfinalblogger no gift:(
08:02:31 PMChrista haha, what kind of gift? I thought the awesomness of the show was a great gift
08:02:57 PMfinalblogger hmm well i like the show and the host
08:02:59 PMagamotto I started playing with Dvorak back when I thought i was developing carpal tunnel.... it took another two doctors to confirm it is just arthritis
08:03:00 PMfinalblogger lol
08:03:08 PMfinalblogger listen is there anyother show like yours
08:03:12 PMfinalblogger live
08:03:17 PMfinalblogger i like tech shows
08:03:21 PMdman810 Have a great Evening/Day/Moment!
08:03:32 PMagamotto The gift budget has been sharply curtailed until the server farm is replaced:)
08:03:35 PMChrista I can honestly say I have no idea....I only have eyes for Category5
08:03:43 PMfinalblogger lool
08:03:44 PMChrista haha, that rhymes kinda
08:03:50 PMfinalblogger exactly
08:03:54 PMfinalblogger lets make a song
08:04:28 PMfinalblogger I only have eyes for Category5
08:04:39 PMChrista I think its the next music video for sure!

Participants

Does Not Include Lurkers
Amazing-Gadwil
BattleTank
Battletank
Christa
Dosbomber
GoodGuy
GregInTexas
Guest43020
JVSCC
Raffer
RobbieF
Scorpio55
Yazid1965
agamotto
ajamison5579
chrisreich
davidmallette
dman810
finalblogger
gpop7
gsiegel
jonathon
njsf
tordeu