| 06:59:20 PM | Drumstick | OH Im so excited! 1 min.
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| 06:59:32 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, hurry up, you still have to load that all in the teleprompter
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| 06:59:42 PM | OldGuyJim | RobbieF...a small suggestion. You might want to raise the camera, if you can, just a little, so you and RachelXu are looking straight out instead of down.
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| 07:00:08 PM | Drumstick | Agree with OldGuyJim
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| 07:00:17 PM | _Jot_ | hi agamotto
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| 07:00:18 PM | agamotto | Hallo, all
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| 07:00:25 PM | Yazid1965 | Its Tuesday!
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| 07:00:37 PM | _Jot_ | hey everybody
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| 07:00:47 PM | GregInTexas | lol
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| 07:00:47 PM | OldGuyJim | RobbieF...what an improvement!!
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| 07:00:48 PM | Garbee | ha
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| 07:00:59 PM | Raffer | RobbieF : nice beard
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| 07:01:00 PM | GregInTexas | cone heads!!!
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| 07:01:02 PM | agamotto | GWG- Sorry I wasnt there last night... I spent a good chunk of my day nursing a sick dog.
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| 07:01:08 PM | tordeu | Wow, so Robbie can grow hair... if gravity is helping
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| 07:01:09 PM | Drumstick | OMG! Ive been warped
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| 07:01:14 PM | _Jot_ | I told you, you had to wash your beard RobbieF
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| 07:01:23 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, How did he get into one of your sweaters?
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| 07:01:33 PM | agamotto | Interesting shower cap
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| 07:01:35 PM | OldGuyJim | Eric...that has to be getting hot.
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| 07:01:39 PM | Yazid1965 | haha
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| 07:01:53 PM | SammySez | I hear Rachels voice, but see a car in my video
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| 07:01:59 PM | GregInTexas | aboat the same ...
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| 07:02:01 PM | Garbee | HAHAH
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| 07:02:10 PM | _Jot_ | sorry for the ad SammySez :P
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| 07:02:14 PM | SammySez | there we go
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| 07:02:17 PM | maxwell6307 | robbie you can grow a beard faster than anyone ive ever seen
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| 07:02:26 PM | OldGuyJim | Check with Data.
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| 07:02:28 PM | chrisreich | People of Earth, Greetings.
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| 07:02:32 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, can you and RachelXu come over? I need some friends to move my desk over
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| 07:02:34 PM | agamotto | No, he needs to reorient the desk so that the majority of the yin from the mouse falls back through the min tanh of the desk.
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| 07:02:42 PM | SammySez | Robbie looks like he might know how to play hockey for some reason
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| 07:02:53 PM | SammySez | BAHAHAHAHAH!
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| 07:02:54 PM | Garbee | eat them!
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| 07:02:55 PM | tordeu | just eat them!
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| 07:02:57 PM | agamotto | Go to the bathroom?
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| 07:02:59 PM | GoodGuy | Eat my wifes cooking!
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| 07:02:59 PM | GregInTexas | oooo
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| 07:03:01 PM | robgor | doah no sound
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| 07:03:05 PM | OldGuyJim | Chocolate??
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| 07:03:06 PM | chrisreich | Is category5.tv down? I cant access it.
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| 07:03:09 PM | Garbee | How did I see that coming?
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| 07:03:24 PM | SammySez | whenever I listen to Obama for more than 5 minutes, I have no problem losing my cookies
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| 07:03:24 PM | Yazid1965 | works everytime. LOL
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| 07:03:29 PM | _Jot_ | chrisreich, see the title, http://live.cat5.tv
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| 07:03:39 PM | tordeu | @chrisreich: its not down; just too many people accessing it.
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| 07:03:40 PM | Drumstick | OH! I get it...this is Category FOUR!
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| 07:03:52 PM | agamotto | SammySez- Any politician usually inspires movements for me.
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| 07:04:00 PM | GoodGuy | lol agamotto
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| 07:04:01 PM | GregInTexas | wow the audio disconnected from the video for a bit
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| 07:04:08 PM | darktower59 | @chrisreich - try live.cat5.tv
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| 07:04:17 PM | Garbee | "flanged air"?!
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| 07:04:23 PM | SammySez | agamotto - true. he is just the easiest target to pick on at the moment ;)
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| 07:04:30 PM | Garbee | Check the memory.
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| 07:04:32 PM | agamotto | Garbee- trapped air in the toilet?
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| 07:04:33 PM | GregInTexas | c o o k i e s
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| 07:04:40 PM | chrisreich | thanks guys, "live.cat5.tv" seems to be the answer
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| 07:04:42 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Music is still going.
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| 07:04:43 PM | Yazid1965 | LOL
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| 07:04:45 PM | OldGuyJim | Saturday Night Live?????
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| 07:04:46 PM | SammySez | this is hilarioous
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| 07:04:57 PM | _Jot_ | is that foam I see at RachelXus mouth?
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| 07:04:57 PM | tordeu | Garbee, dont tell him. Lets see how long it takes
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| 07:05:02 PM | Garbee | Music done now.
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| 07:05:03 PM | SammySez | that was awesome (golf claps)
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| 07:05:06 PM | GregInTexas | hey ... he works for Best buy!
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| 07:05:07 PM | agamotto | Music is too loud on the balance
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| 07:05:22 PM | GregInTexas | hey! Robbief Shaved!!!
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| 07:05:30 PM | maxwell6307 | robbief i knew that
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| 07:05:45 PM | maxwell6307 | eric kidd was trouble
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| 07:05:55 PM | agamotto | Nah, I think that is toothpaste in the corners of her mouth...
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| 07:05:58 PM | Garbee | Ha, yea right... Shelved until they re-write it and rename it.
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| 07:06:01 PM | Drumstick | I did!!
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| 07:06:17 PM | Drumstick | ...nominated that is...
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| 07:06:22 PM | agamotto | Garbee- Or until I pester people daily about it
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| 07:06:24 PM | _Jot_ | the sad thing was, that question of Jot, I actually send that in, seeing what they would say
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| 07:06:29 PM | agamotto | RobbieF- Mine is on the way!
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| 07:06:37 PM | maxwell6307 | can i nominate without a twitter account
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| 07:06:43 PM | chrisreich | RachelXu does "deer in the headlights" very well.
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| 07:06:44 PM | Garbee | Yea, I will get *right* on sending a postcard in.
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| 07:07:14 PM | Drumstick | Somebody drive over!
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| 07:07:16 PM | robgor | hey racheal one coming from australia soon, melbourne
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| 07:07:29 PM | ajamison5579 | what if there actually is someone in timbuckto RobbieF
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| 07:07:30 PM | Garbee | Can I fake a TimbukTu address?
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| 07:07:40 PM | robgor | no 11am
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| 07:07:46 PM | _Jot_ | Garbee, sure you can, you can do everything!
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| 07:07:47 PM | robgor | wednesday
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| 07:08:12 PM | agamotto | robgor- I saw a show on the telly about the roo explosion near Canberra. Interesting problem to have - urban 1.5m rats
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| 07:08:13 PM | Garbee | It is 3PM Friday here.
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| 07:08:38 PM | ajamison5579 | 3PM? what time zone
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| 07:08:40 PM | invinciblemutant | has the show reminder been sent out today
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| 07:08:50 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, My zone.
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| 07:08:52 PM | robgor | agamotto no problem for me here
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| 07:08:56 PM | _Jot_ | wow! That geekman loos just like RobbieF!
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| 07:09:04 PM | _Jot_ | looks*
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| 07:09:06 PM | RachelXu | i know jot uncanny right
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| 07:09:07 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, DONT OPEN THAT!
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| 07:09:09 PM | ajamison5579 | garbee yues
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| 07:09:11 PM | ajamison5579 | yes
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| 07:09:21 PM | Garbee | Thank you RachelXu
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| 07:09:21 PM | agamotto | If it has to stay in the package, there is no point in owning it
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| 07:09:29 PM | emiel1976 | Open it and see how it looks
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| 07:09:48 PM | Garbee | Yea, it will be worth $.50 USD in about 20 years.
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| 07:10:06 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, it looks exactly like you 20 years ago!
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| 07:10:15 PM | ajamison5579 | G. I Geek the poseable doll
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| 07:10:16 PM | Garbee | Actually, if you open it I think it will be worth 2 dollars in 20 years.
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| 07:10:20 PM | OldGuyJim | Take it to Antiques Road Show.
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| 07:10:31 PM | GregInTexas | I sold a lunch box on ebay for $475 US
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| 07:10:47 PM | agamotto | GregInTexas- ?
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| 07:10:59 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, Im wondering about that geekman... can you blend it?
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| 07:11:08 PM | Garbee | I sold someone a stack of comics for $119.02 the other day.
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| 07:11:16 PM | ajamison5579 | _jot_ lol
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| 07:11:18 PM | agamotto | _Jot_- eviiillll, eeeeviiillllll
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| 07:11:19 PM | GregInTexas | some things actually do gain in value
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| 07:11:29 PM | chrisreich | Ive been sitting on a stash of original Farrah Fawcet posters since 1975. My brother says theyre worth about $4 now. Big freakin deal.
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| 07:11:42 PM | GregInTexas | lol
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| 07:11:43 PM | Drumstick | Im hoping my Tachmini goes up.... :)
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| 07:12:04 PM | Garbee | that is pronounced " Gadget Wisdom Guru ".
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| 07:12:08 PM | ajamison5579 | RobbieF you need to get Blendtec to do a guest appearance
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| 07:12:08 PM | jaepea | hi all
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| 07:12:18 PM | Garbee | LIQUID COOLING
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| 07:12:22 PM | agamotto | Over the last few years, I have managed to sell some gold for nearly 4 times what I paid for it.
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| 07:12:28 PM | tordeu | +1 on liquid!
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| 07:12:31 PM | _Jot_ | liquid cooling still needs fans
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| 07:12:32 PM | Garbee | Actually, liquid nitro would be best.
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| 07:12:41 PM | tordeu | No, it does not!
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| 07:12:46 PM | tordeu | Not necessarily
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| 07:12:51 PM | emiel1976 | liquid needs also fans.
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| 07:13:01 PM | _Jot_ | it needs a radiator, and stuff to radiate the heat away, for which they use fans
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| 07:13:05 PM | Garbee | emiel1976, That is why you put the radiator in the other room.
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| 07:13:10 PM | agamotto | liquid antifreeze versions can usually be fanless
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| 07:13:14 PM | tordeu | I can cool mine without the fans and its still cooler than with just the fans
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| 07:13:14 PM | ajamison5579 | tordeu the radiator needs a fan
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| 07:13:27 PM | chrisreich | more large fans will be quieter than fewer small ones, for a given air flow.
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| 07:13:33 PM | tordeu | My radiator works pretty well even without the fan running
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| 07:13:38 PM | emiel1976 | Garbee Good idee
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| 07:14:07 PM | Garbee | My Big Boy (200mm on the Antec 900) has decent sound output, for not that much better cooling than the 3 120mm fans.
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| 07:14:09 PM | agamotto | sub-audible vibrations
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| 07:14:16 PM | ajamison5579 | tordeu wont that wear it out faster
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| 07:14:18 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, that fan you used in the server is really quiet too, if you actually used the parts you need like washers etc
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| 07:14:26 PM | GoodGuy | I have an Antec 900 case also
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| 07:14:35 PM | emiel1976 | My pc is quit. just the rigt fans and keep everything clean
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| 07:14:40 PM | tordeu | why should that wear it out?
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| 07:14:55 PM | invinciblegeek | Hi everyone
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| 07:15:09 PM | RachelXu | hello :)
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| 07:15:10 PM | chrisreich | hi invinciblegeek
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| 07:15:11 PM | agamotto | Corsair makes some sealed liquid system, but I know it uses a 120mm fan somewhere on the back/side of the case.
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| 07:15:12 PM | OldGuyJim | Hello
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| 07:15:27 PM | invinciblegeek | I am on my android phone ...invinciblemutant here
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| 07:15:28 PM | _Jot_ | hi
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| 07:15:29 PM | ajamison5579 | toredeu because the radiator is not being cooled (note i have not owned a liquid cooling system so asking from an inquisitive stand point)
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| 07:15:38 PM | GregInTexas | the heat needs to be exhausted somehow ...
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| 07:15:41 PM | _Jot_ | youre such a geek, invinciblegeek
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| 07:15:49 PM | jaepea | how is all
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| 07:16:00 PM | chrisreich | DRINK - "ambiONT"
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| 07:16:04 PM | invinciblegeek | Lol
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| 07:16:07 PM | Oberon_ | hey all!
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| 07:16:21 PM | OldGuyJim | Hey!
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| 07:16:28 PM | agamotto | Fans usually dont come on with a liquid system until you run a heavy load, i.e. gaming or render-farming
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| 07:16:31 PM | invinciblegeek | In my bed...just lazy to have my keyboard in bed
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| 07:16:38 PM | emiel1976 | Ad extra fans and set them in a lower rpm and you have less noice
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| 07:16:39 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, would that Cpu-fan you are using be quieter with or without washers?
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| 07:16:43 PM | agamotto | invinciblegeek- whatever works
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| 07:16:48 PM | Linius84 | hi everybody
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| 07:16:58 PM | _Jot_ | hi people
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| 07:17:00 PM | invinciblegeek | Ll
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| 07:17:09 PM | emiel1976 | hi jot
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| 07:17:11 PM | tordeu | well, it depends on how hot the water gets, of course and what components you want to cool. When I had my 8800GTX in the loop, I had to use a fan. But warm water is a not a problem for the radiator.
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| 07:17:14 PM | SammySez | I have tried every external fan I can get my hands on and I cannot get this laptop to settle down
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| 07:17:36 PM | smittysmit | Zalman has been cooling my CPU for a few years
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| 07:17:38 PM | _Jot_ | SammySez, it is really quiet if you turn it off though
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| 07:17:56 PM | Garbee | +1 to Synergy being tricky.
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| 07:17:58 PM | SammySez | _Jot_ never thought of that. I will try that right now.
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| 07:18:00 PM | ajamison5579 | is the coolant in liquid cooling conductive? I ask because if it isnt then it leaking should not kill a machine seeing as they have machine submerged in special fluid
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| 07:18:03 PM | OldGuyJim | If the XP machine is a laptop, it very probably is the palm rest.
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| 07:18:25 PM | pyrosrock | ok just woke up, saw RobbieF twitter and jumped no for the first time in ages... who is RachelXu?
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| 07:18:26 PM | SammySez | youre right
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| 07:18:33 PM | SammySez | it WAS quieter ;)
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| 07:18:34 PM | Garbee | Hello pyrosrock
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| 07:18:41 PM | _Jot_ | ajamison5579, it shouldnt be, thats why you have to buy stuff for it and not just dump water in it, and it evaporates so you do have to replenish it
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| 07:18:43 PM | Linius84 | Mario vs Koppa
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| 07:18:52 PM | agamotto | I wonder... now that vapor deposition can be used to waterproof a laptop, could you just use a Peltier-effect cooler, since condensation would no longer affect the device?
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| 07:18:52 PM | emiel1976 | SammySez clean the laptop inside and exept that it makes more noice. Moste laptops make more noice than desktop pcs
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| 07:19:01 PM | invinciblegeek | No show reminder today right ?
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| 07:19:15 PM | agamotto | pyrosrock- artist/co-host/bon-vivant
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| 07:19:17 PM | pyrosrock | Morning Garbee
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| 07:19:29 PM | invinciblegeek | I usually get a reminder an hour before the show
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| 07:19:32 PM | _Jot_ | invinciblegeek, Robbie was playing with his phone and his twitter and such, so Im not sure, but not a lot
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| 07:19:49 PM | SammySez | I think it may be a BIOS issue. I have temp sensors on everything and the warmest it gets is 150*(F)
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| 07:20:07 PM | Garbee | Drupal is also a nice CMS>
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| 07:20:08 PM | SammySez | usually right around 130-135*(F) is normal
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| 07:20:17 PM | ajamison5579 | 900 man hours
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| 07:20:20 PM | ajamison5579 | +
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| 07:20:24 PM | Garbee | 5 weeks for me RobbieF
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| 07:20:28 PM | Garbee | 4 for the main Beta.
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| 07:20:36 PM | agamotto | Sounds complicated
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| 07:20:56 PM | SammySez | RachelX: turn down your cell phone :)
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| 07:20:57 PM | Garbee | That was *after* all of your work months beforehand.
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| 07:21:05 PM | agamotto | I only have a little experience with phpbb
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| 07:21:13 PM | pyrosrock | no RachelXu wasent invalved with new site dev coz i never herd of her b4
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| 07:21:14 PM | Garbee | I prefer mybb over phpbb.
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| 07:21:23 PM | Garbee | Tokens = awesome.
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| 07:21:30 PM | pyrosrock | ... i cant spell 2 day
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| 07:21:37 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, I heard you can put a dynamic website on paper, with some invention called a printer
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| 07:21:38 PM | ajamison5579 | Pyrosrock is Invalved a new term
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| 07:21:41 PM | RachelXu | Yes Im a new citizen of earth, wasnt here back in those days.
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| 07:21:46 PM | ajamison5579 | was she fitted with a valve
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| 07:21:53 PM | agamotto | Garbee- If the current LUG owners ever let go of the controls, I might try that
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| 07:22:03 PM | pyrosrock | ajamison5579 involved
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| 07:22:15 PM | SammySez | rolling out a new Wordpress site as we speak ;)
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| 07:22:17 PM | ajamison5579 | pyrosrock i know joking
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| 07:22:41 PM | emiel1976 | I stoped with Joomla because it is to slow.
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| 07:22:42 PM | Garbee | Just wait for some of the awesomeness coming with Category5.tv V3!
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| 07:22:56 PM | pyrosrock | RachelXu no i just aint been on for a long time
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| 07:23:00 PM | Garbee | IF setting up a new site, go with the latest version.
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| 07:23:07 PM | Garbee | Only use older versions for legacy reasons.
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| 07:23:33 PM | agamotto | Why cant these things read and convert/merge stuff from older versions?
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| 07:23:37 PM | RachelXu | welcome back then :)
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| 07:23:43 PM | Garbee | Try different CMSs. Nothing 100%, but a little test of each to get your feet wet to figure out what you like. Wikipedia has a great list of CMSs.
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| 07:23:58 PM | Garbee | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems
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| 07:24:09 PM | OldGuyJim | RachelXu is very good at touch typing...
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| 07:24:22 PM | emiel1976 | I am building now a Joomla site in 1.7 and it is still not as fast as what I want.
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| 07:24:26 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, You can keep going.
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| 07:24:30 PM | Oberon_ | Ive tried a bunch of them, but I still prefer building from the ground up by hand. :P
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| 07:24:38 PM | agamotto | Technobable alert in 5...4....3....
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| 07:24:46 PM | invinciblegeek | Hi
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| 07:24:48 PM | ajamison5579 | lol RachelXu is the Geekyness Monitor
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| 07:24:49 PM | GregInTexas | I run a Jom Social site ... its great!!!
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| 07:24:53 PM | Linius84 | hey RobbieF, is it possible to change the position of the navigation arrows on any of the windows on Linux?
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| 07:24:56 PM | Garbee | emiel1976, Have you tried Drupal? The admin interface can be slow, but the user-side is pretty snappy.
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| 07:25:00 PM | invinciblegeek | It is my question
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| 07:25:07 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu is geekiness herself
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| 07:25:30 PM | RachelXu | hey now! :P
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| 07:25:31 PM | invinciblegeek | Poor xu
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| 07:25:42 PM | RachelXu | hey i got through it
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| 07:25:44 PM | RachelXu | BARELY
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| 07:25:44 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, if you dont believe me, you know everything about photoshop
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| 07:25:46 PM | pyrosrock | Linius84 position arrows?
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| 07:25:46 PM | agamotto | Anything will 11.10 is problematic from what I hear
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| 07:25:52 PM | agamotto | with, even
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| 07:25:59 PM | emiel1976 | Garbee Yes but i dont like it. I also dont like Joomla but I build it for someone and they want Joomla.
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| 07:26:20 PM | invinciblemutant | the panel just blocked it
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| 07:26:34 PM | agamotto | Is there such a thing as a CMS common format?
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| 07:26:39 PM | invinciblemutant | the top panel on the primary screen at the botttom has a top panel
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| 07:26:40 PM | Garbee | emiel1976, Have you tried Drupal 7? Most people I know stopped trying it at 6, and MAJOR changes have occured.
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| 07:26:50 PM | Rony | I prefer Drupal over Joomla
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| 07:26:50 PM | invinciblemutant | it is blocked when i have top down arrangment
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| 07:26:56 PM | Garbee | agamotto, What do you mean, "common" format?
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| 07:26:56 PM | _Jot_ | agamotto, no, of course not, that would actually make sense if there was
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| 07:26:58 PM | Rony | I tried Joomla first and I did not get it
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| 07:27:06 PM | invinciblemutant | it is extended screen on top
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| 07:27:11 PM | invinciblemutant | just 1 xsession
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| 07:27:16 PM | Linius84 | yeah to move them to right side of the window
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| 07:27:17 PM | SammySez | Rony: same here. Wordpress rules
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| 07:27:26 PM | Garbee | I personaly dont like CMSs with some backend admin interface. Even though Drupals basically is, it feels more like it is all in one area.
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| 07:27:27 PM | emiel1976 | Garbee Tried them all.
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| 07:27:32 PM | agamotto | Garbee- interchange so that a site doesnt have to reinvent/enter things from scratch in upgrading versisons or moving from one to the other.
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| 07:27:39 PM | invinciblemutant | intel
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| 07:27:40 PM | GregInTexas | the thing about joomla is it is focused on doing a News site ... if you are doing one, its great, anything else in my experience is kind of a kludge
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| 07:27:43 PM | Rony | I am actually running drupal 6 on couple of sites
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| 07:27:43 PM | Garbee | emiel1976, Ok, just checking. Thanks for the response.
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| 07:27:52 PM | invinciblemutant | 1 output
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| 07:27:56 PM | invinciblemutant | 1 avg
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| 07:27:59 PM | invinciblemutant | laptop
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| 07:28:05 PM | invinciblemutant | vga
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| 07:28:06 PM | GregInTexas | but! JomSocial changes the site in its entirety and makes it a facebook like environment
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| 07:28:24 PM | Garbee | agamotto, People make scripts that can do it, like Mediawiki to Dokuwiki, but arent 100% and can be buggy. The main reason it isnt done, manual imports are always best.
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| 07:28:31 PM | RachelXu | wow hes finally googling an answer
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| 07:28:43 PM | invinciblemutant | that the top panel just blocked windows from moving acrossing the the screen
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| 07:28:48 PM | Garbee | Like our change from Mediawiki to Dokuwiki for http://wiki.category5.tv ... I did it all MANUALLY since that gives us the most accurate results.
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| 07:28:53 PM | invinciblemutant | it is ok when arranged side by side
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| 07:28:59 PM | agamotto | Garbee- yech. I cant stand software that does that kind of thing.... might as well use M$ Office for it all.
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| 07:29:03 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, I think you were there, I dont remember, but I once asked a question that got him actually stumped, and he admitted it on air
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| 07:29:09 PM | invinciblemutant | yes
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| 07:29:17 PM | invinciblemutant | can move the mouse up down
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| 07:29:17 PM | RachelXu | i dont recall jot
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| 07:29:19 PM | emiel1976 | Garbee It is not that it is not good but it is noting for me. I use it now for others because it is for them easier to update everything.
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| 07:29:20 PM | invinciblemutant | just not the windows
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| 07:29:40 PM | invinciblemutant | yes, ok for side by side
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| 07:29:50 PM | ajamison5579 | _jot_ it happens he does not know everything but does know alot
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| 07:29:52 PM | invinciblemutant | not secondary on top
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| 07:29:52 PM | ignacio82 | invinciblemutant superkey to launch and launch screen
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| 07:29:54 PM | pyrosrock | never had any problems with it
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| 07:30:07 PM | agamotto | RobbieF- i would assume it is one of the many bugs with 11.10 and the latest nVidia drivers
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| 07:30:16 PM | chrisreich | none of us knows everything, thats why we confer together
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| 07:30:19 PM | ignacio82 | you should be able to configure it without editing the configuration file
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| 07:30:26 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Newer Xorgs dont use xorg.conf by default.
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| 07:30:28 PM | ajamison5579 | Agamotto he is not using nvidia
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| 07:30:35 PM | Garbee | IF one is there, it is used, otherwise...
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| 07:30:46 PM | agamotto | ajamison5579- oh... well then, I really havent an idea
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| 07:30:51 PM | invinciblemutant | it is fine, it is a tough one i know
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| 07:30:58 PM | agamotto | ignacio82- you would think
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| 07:32:01 PM | OldGuyJim | Absolutely!
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| 07:32:23 PM | agamotto | Cyberwar in the Middle East... talk about an improvement!
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| 07:32:43 PM | GregInTexas | at least nobody gets blown up in a cyber war
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| 07:32:48 PM | agamotto | Jihadi coders instead of infantry
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| 07:32:53 PM | Oberon_ | and give authorities a 3D version of your face, much better than the current CCTV captures have been able to do. :P
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| 07:33:13 PM | tordeu | so nice and shiny
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| 07:33:22 PM | chrisreich | 4 inches
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| 07:33:28 PM | agamotto | Oberon_- all you have to do to defeat most recognition systems is smile....
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| 07:33:39 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, stop doing that! I keep thinking I switched the mainchannel and the BSP and thinking I have to find it again
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| 07:33:46 PM | Oberon_ | hehe. yeah, which it why youre not allowed to smile on your passport photo.
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| 07:33:54 PM | Garbee | Toothpicks get a use in the digital world... Typing.
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| 07:34:02 PM | Oberon_ | is, even.
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| 07:34:12 PM | agamotto | Illinois requires that you not smile on your ID photos... I made them waste a whole pack of film doing my ID.
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| 07:34:19 PM | Oberon_ | lol
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| 07:34:25 PM | Garbee | We can develope sites on that thing.
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| 07:34:43 PM | agamotto | laptops for elves!
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| 07:34:47 PM | Linius84 | wow its really small
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| 07:34:55 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, the problem with SOPA is that it might be stopped, but things like PIPA are still going on, and theres still ACTA etc
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| 07:35:02 PM | GregInTexas | maybe for little kids
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| 07:35:33 PM | agamotto | _Jot_- True, but we are working on PIPA and ACTA... long, slow fight
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| 07:36:08 PM | Oberon_ | gotta run all. :(
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| 07:36:13 PM | RachelXu | mmm sprout juice hehe
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| 07:36:15 PM | agamotto | Imagine how much faster the net would be if Netflix, Google, and Facebook went dark tomorrow....
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| 07:36:16 PM | _Jot_ | agamotto, sure, but wether the internet is shut down by whatever-A doesnt matter, no websites is no websites etc
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| 07:36:16 PM | Oberon_ | have a great show!
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| 07:36:23 PM | Garbee | DOKUWIKI!!!! Such an awesome engine.
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| 07:36:26 PM | RachelXu | awww bye
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| 07:36:26 PM | invinciblegeek | thanks robbie and floor fellow for trying on my question on my gnome3
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| 07:36:28 PM | _Jot_ | dont run with knives Oberon_
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| 07:36:46 PM | agamotto | _Jot_- I was speaking in terms of modifying or eliminating them
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| 07:36:52 PM | Garbee | Oh, invinciblegeek you are on G3!
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| 07:36:59 PM | Garbee | Are you using Shell or Fallback mode?
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| 07:37:00 PM | _Jot_ | agamotto, yeah, but I mean only one has to go through
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| 07:37:17 PM | Garbee | Shell has some known issues with dual-monitors which they are working on to be fixed in the next release.
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| 07:37:18 PM | _Jot_ | agamotto, and even then, in my country we already have censornet instead of internet
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| 07:37:22 PM | agamotto | _Jot_- True, but not while I still have a phone and ink.
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| 07:37:51 PM | invinciblegeek | When the new pogoplug device will be offered for prize draw..lol
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| 07:37:58 PM | emiel1976 | Gimp is great :D
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| 07:37:59 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, doesnt do anything? It exists, thats doing something in some way
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| 07:38:01 PM | robgor | robbie new co-host time
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| 07:38:05 PM | agamotto | GIMP does many things... it just doesnt hold your hand while doing it.
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| 07:38:17 PM | _Jot_ | 41? booohhh
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| 07:38:30 PM | OldGuyJim | 75
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| 07:38:34 PM | darktower59 | 75
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| 07:38:36 PM | tordeu | 64!
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| 07:38:37 PM | maxwell6307 | 75
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| 07:38:38 PM | emiel1976 | 64
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| 07:38:41 PM | GoodGuy | 64
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| 07:38:42 PM | pyrosrock | 64
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| 07:38:42 PM | Garbee | +64
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| 07:38:43 PM | Raffer | 64
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| 07:38:44 PM | u-al | 64
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| 07:38:47 PM | robgor | 75
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| 07:38:48 PM | as759 | 75
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| 07:38:53 PM | emiel1976 | 64
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| 07:38:53 PM | Linius84 | 75
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| 07:38:53 PM | agamotto | 64
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| 07:38:54 PM | ajamison5579 | 764
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| 07:39:01 PM | robgor | 75
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| 07:39:02 PM | Drumstick | 64
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| 07:39:03 PM | ajamison5579 | opps
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| 07:39:05 PM | _Jot_ | yay, my pictures win! (I picked them, Robbie picked 41)
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| 07:39:05 PM | ajamison5579 | 64
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| 07:39:07 PM | tordeu | 64
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| 07:39:08 PM | tordeu | 64
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| 07:39:08 PM | _Jot_ | I win again! woohoo!
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| 07:39:08 PM | tordeu | 64
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| 07:39:09 PM | tordeu | 64
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| 07:39:09 PM | chrisreich | 42!
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| 07:39:14 PM | jgregs99 | 64
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| 07:39:24 PM | agamotto | Will you still love me, will you still need me... when Im 64....
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| 07:39:33 PM | darktower59 | lol
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| 07:39:42 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, what did I win? my pictures won!
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| 07:40:28 PM | GoodGuy | What makes RachelXu want a pickle on the screen?
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| 07:40:33 PM | agamotto | A Christmas Pickle?
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| 07:40:45 PM | _Jot_ | Goodguy, why do you have to ask? Its not a gurkin, its a pickle!
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| 07:40:46 PM | RachelXu | because its so deliciously random
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| 07:40:49 PM | Blithe55 | Hi guys, this is thefirst live show I have caught!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 07:41:02 PM | GoodGuy | Why?
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| 07:41:04 PM | Garbee | Like how much better GIMP operates.
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| 07:41:06 PM | _Jot_ | welcome Blithe55!
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| 07:41:08 PM | agamotto | Blithe55- Sounds like you need a catchers mitt?
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| 07:41:14 PM | GoodGuy | Some ask why, RachelXu asks Why Not!
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| 07:41:14 PM | darktower59 | welcome Blithe!
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| 07:41:25 PM | Garbee | Great, another laugh attack.
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| 07:41:31 PM | GoodGuy | Cloud!
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| 07:41:31 PM | Garbee | NOONE SAID CLOUD!
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| 07:41:33 PM | GoodGuy | Cloud!
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| 07:41:34 PM | ajamison5579 | there must have been a cloud floating by
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| 07:41:34 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, say hi to Blithe55 who is here for the first time today
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| 07:41:47 PM | emiel1976 | RobbieF why are the 2 old man in the frond and not in the back?
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| 07:41:49 PM | Blithe55 | she going to start laughing again....
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| 07:41:52 PM | robgor | she lost it along time ago robbie
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| 07:42:00 PM | agamotto | Is Bekah in costume tonight?
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| 07:42:01 PM | gsiegel | Maybe it was Vulcan
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| 07:42:08 PM | RachelXu | its apparantly hiding now
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| 07:42:13 PM | chrisreich | a flying tribble?
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| 07:42:27 PM | _Jot_ | cats are like tribbles
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| 07:42:44 PM | _Jot_ | cats look a bit like pickles too, if you pick them up, they go round
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| 07:42:45 PM | agamotto | I dont recall anything about tribbles and hairballs...
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| 07:42:47 PM | OldGuyJim | Ooooo...eeeee....oooooo
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| 07:42:50 PM | tordeu | what was in the cookies?
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| 07:43:02 PM | agamotto | GHB?
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| 07:43:10 PM | _Jot_ | I dont know what was in the cookies, but it made Robbies beard fall out
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| 07:43:17 PM | RachelXu | maybe bekah snuck catnip in the cookies
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| 07:43:41 PM | agamotto | Oddly, my dog likes catnip more than the cat
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| 07:43:42 PM | emiel1976 | A stranger behind the door.
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| 07:43:55 PM | RachelXu | it was eric dressed as a clown, but hes run off playing shy
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| 07:44:09 PM | Garbee | RachelXu, You lie.
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| 07:44:13 PM | _Jot_ | look, its captain picard in the picture
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| 07:44:31 PM | tordeu | to be honest....that sounds like it could be true
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| 07:44:51 PM | agamotto | Tonight... paper dolls with GIMP!
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| 07:45:22 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, your ears dont look that pointy, youre no spock!
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| 07:45:55 PM | tordeu | nice placement of the 5
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| 07:46:41 PM | Garbee | Projection perhaps.
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| 07:46:46 PM | Linius84 | Robbieś head coves the number 5
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| 07:46:56 PM | agamotto | bring the transparency to ~60%
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| 07:46:58 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, doesnt Photoshop have a tool that can automaticly adjust that logo for the wall?
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| 07:48:01 PM | Garbee | RachelXu, Thanks for being patient
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| 07:48:11 PM | RachelXu | hehe
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| 07:48:30 PM | agamotto | Quickly... someone get Robbie a 4k x 4k monitor!
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| 07:48:51 PM | SammySez | RachelXu: any new mural customers? do you have a site with photos of your past work?
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| 07:49:11 PM | _Jot_ | there is Rachels deviantart site
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| 07:49:26 PM | _Jot_ | http://speckledgoblin.deviantart.com/
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| 07:49:28 PM | Garbee | agamotto, I have a 16k x 16k monitor.
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| 07:49:33 PM | RachelXu | yes i have new mural customers, most my murals havent been posted online though. Most arent on deviantart just to protect privacy of customers dont want their rooms online
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| 07:49:39 PM | agamotto | Whereas, if you saved it as .gif, .png, or .jpg you lose the metadata, yes?
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| 07:49:58 PM | agamotto | Garbee- I dont even want to know what that would cost
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| 07:50:35 PM | SammySez | 1920x1600 on my laptop with a 1600x1200 external hooked up
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| 07:50:43 PM | RachelXu | this seems like just such a complicated way to do a simple background
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| 07:51:09 PM | Garbee | RachelXu, I love the "Sapphire" (White tiger in some shrubbury) image. Awesome job.
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| 07:51:15 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, it is more difficult because I brought up some more pictures than the one he had picked, so he had to do extra stuff
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| 07:51:19 PM | RachelXu | thanks :)
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| 07:51:26 PM | RachelXu | ahh so its your fault jot
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| 07:51:38 PM | agamotto | heheehe
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| 07:51:50 PM | agamotto | Definitely a married man...
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| 07:52:16 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, say: email your questions to live@category5.tv
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| 07:52:28 PM | OldGuyJim | RachelXu...not true if you use Photoshop.
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| 07:52:37 PM | emiel1976 | did it already
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| 07:52:41 PM | Garbee | That was an awesome line.
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| 07:52:59 PM | Blithe55 | Question... can you explain everything!!!!!!
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| 07:53:00 PM | Garbee | LAMP or MAMP?
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| 07:53:01 PM | OldGuyJim | Is 11.10 still buggy??
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| 07:53:03 PM | agamotto | Stunned by lag
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| 07:53:04 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, can you do that thing with the background faster in photoshop?
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| 07:53:08 PM | SammySez | back in the day, a "shorty" was an 8oz bottle of Budwesier
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| 07:53:10 PM | ajamison5579 | What is the meaning of life RobbieF
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| 07:53:10 PM | Guest_8984 | who is richard stallman
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| 07:53:11 PM | agamotto | OldGuyJim- yes, unfortunately
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| 07:53:15 PM | chrisreich | RachelXu, is that you with the snakeskin headwear? Beautiful!
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| 07:53:15 PM | Garbee | OldGuyJim, 11.10 is a bug.
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| 07:53:16 PM | GoodGuy | She laughed the last time she said Cloud
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| 07:53:23 PM | maxwell6307 | can i nominate without a twitter account
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| 07:53:35 PM | robgor | no
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| 07:53:36 PM | GoodGuy | And out almost $1000 RachelXu
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| 07:53:37 PM | chrisreich | too complicated, RobbieF
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| 07:53:42 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, she doesnt explain things to the air, she explains them to the cloud
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| 07:53:44 PM | ajamison5579 | She has to tell the gnomes what to do
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| 07:53:54 PM | agamotto | Guest_8984- Founder of the Free Software Foundation... helped create much of what makes Linux, Linux
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| 07:53:54 PM | RachelXu | tis my pet snake squidy :)
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| 07:53:54 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, When are you going to show us how to do an LFS system?
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| 07:54:05 PM | GoodGuy | LFS?
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| 07:54:06 PM | tordeu | clickrace gimp vs photoshop
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| 07:54:06 PM | Drumstick | RobbieF you would SMOKE her
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| 07:54:10 PM | Blithe55 | can you get an Ubuntu iso??????/
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| 07:54:11 PM | Garbee | Linux From Scratch
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| 07:54:12 PM | emiel1976 | Gimp wins
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| 07:54:13 PM | SammySez | GWG: are you sponsoring tonights news? Maybe I missed that
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| 07:54:15 PM | robgor | Have a contest robbieF photoshop vs GIMP
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| 07:54:15 PM | emiel1976 | lol
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| 07:54:17 PM | GoodGuy | ok thank you
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| 07:54:24 PM | maxwell6307 | do it
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| 07:54:24 PM | Drumstick | Shes toast!
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| 07:54:29 PM | emiel1976 | Make a pinguin
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| 07:54:31 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, draw a pot of pickles
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| 07:54:36 PM | OldGuyJim | It wins because its free.
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| 07:54:38 PM | ajamison5579 | lol
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| 07:54:38 PM | u-al | How can you increase the swap file size in Ubuntu?
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| 07:54:51 PM | robgor | the Gimp will win just on startup
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| 07:54:52 PM | GoodGuy | Jail time for RachelXu -- naughty girl!
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| 07:54:58 PM | Linius84 | why pay if you can get it for free
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| 07:55:08 PM | ajamison5579 | Adobe showers her with free software
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| 07:55:12 PM | agamotto | u-al- you would have to reallocate that partition on the drive
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| 07:55:16 PM | GregInTexas | o ...
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| 07:55:17 PM | SammySez | bahahaha!! somebodys paid a visit to mushroom land earlier tonight
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| 07:55:26 PM | RachelXu | i dont think so drumstick
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| 07:55:26 PM | GoodGuy | She can photoshop some prison stripes on her blouse lol
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| 07:55:29 PM | agamotto | SammySez- I am starting to wonder
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| 07:55:35 PM | Garbee | Unless you NEED some of the features of Office, go Libreoffice.
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| 07:55:39 PM | Drumstick | RachelXu: :)
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| 07:55:47 PM | u-al | yeah agamotto thought so.
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| 07:55:54 PM | Drumstick | RachelXu: Never argue with a woman...right?
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| 07:55:58 PM | OldGuyJim | Ive been using Oo and Libre Office for years on Windows. Much easier to use than Office 2007-2010.
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| 07:56:01 PM | emiel1976 | I rub Libre office, Gimp and Blender in Windows and linux
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| 07:56:09 PM | RachelXu | if you want to live drumstick you dont
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| 07:56:13 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, The next office *should* have ODT support from day 1, which they have never done before.
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| 07:56:13 PM | ajamison5579 | If your a student you can get a ridiculously large discount on Photoshop but it will still cost 300
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| 07:56:16 PM | agamotto | Drumstick- No, just take them out of the argument... much easier
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| 07:56:20 PM | Garbee | ^^ MS Office.
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| 07:56:25 PM | _Jot_ | RachelXu, youre so alwyays right
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| 07:56:32 PM | SammySez | there is a cool little package called "nautilus-image-utilities" (I think) that saved me a ton of time rotating multiple images
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| 07:56:33 PM | _Jot_ | thats always
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| 07:56:36 PM | Drumstick | RachelXu: Riigghhtt...
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| 07:56:38 PM | Blithe55 | dance
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| 07:56:40 PM | Blithe55 | dance
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| 07:56:41 PM | OldGuyJim | Eric reappears.
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| 07:56:44 PM | Blithe55 | dance
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| 07:56:44 PM | GoodGuy | Are they liberal on what counts as a student?
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| 07:56:46 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, DO a Gentoo install real fast!
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| 07:56:52 PM | Linius84 | just dance
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| 07:56:54 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy- oddly, yes
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| 07:56:59 PM | RachelXu | yes 1000 bucks when i was in school for photoshopp EEEP
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| 07:57:01 PM | robgor | just get racheal to startup photoshop it will take 3minutes
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| 07:57:01 PM | pyrosrock | RachelXu RobbieF do the weather
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| 07:57:09 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, say hi to Blithe55, he is here for the first time
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| 07:57:10 PM | GoodGuy | I dont recall asking it lol
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| 07:57:13 PM | gsiegel | let in the mystery people...lol
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| 07:57:23 PM | Garbee | I love the Cookie question at the top of the show.
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| 07:57:27 PM | Blithe55 | thankJoT
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| 07:57:29 PM | GoodGuy | Same here in Michigan
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| 07:57:34 PM | agamotto | The temp has been dropping all day here....
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| 07:57:34 PM | Scorpio55 | +3C uk
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| 07:57:35 PM | OldGuyJim | Global Climate change
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| 07:57:39 PM | SammySez | we got snow today!
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| 07:57:41 PM | maxwell6307 | betterthan snow
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| 07:57:42 PM | ajamison5579 | Photoshop for the full version costs like 1300 USD but you can get it for like 300-400 student discount
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| 07:57:42 PM | Drumstick | Say it again _Jot_
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| 07:57:50 PM | SammySez | not enough to get the sleds out tho (hmpf!)
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| 07:57:53 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, RachelXu, say hi to Blithe55 who is here for the first time
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| 07:58:09 PM | agamotto | Isnt there some mini Photoshop for home users?
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| 07:58:11 PM | maxwell6307 | i bought some
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| 07:58:13 PM | Drumstick | RobbieF: NEW VIEWER!!!
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| 07:58:16 PM | GoodGuy | Both our children graduated from college, so I am fresh out of students
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| 07:58:20 PM | Garbee | RachelXu, Please ask the bots on air to not attack the Wiki once we bring it back up.
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| 07:58:21 PM | maxwell6307 | they ork great
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| 07:58:21 PM | Blithe55 | you rock
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| 07:58:24 PM | maxwell6307 | w
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| 07:58:29 PM | Blithe55 | Georgia USA
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| 07:58:31 PM | GoodGuy | Photoshop Elements agamotto
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| 07:58:33 PM | OldGuyJim | Goodnight, Ill be back.
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| 07:58:40 PM | Drumstick | Thanks yall....
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| 07:58:42 PM | Blithe55 | JOT RULES
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| 07:58:46 PM | agamotto | Blithe55- So sorry... need help planning your escape?
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| 07:58:48 PM | robgor | last live show for me for a while back to work monday :(
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| 07:58:51 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, what did I win for picking the picture that everybody liked, and that won over your picture?
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| 07:58:57 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief we need blitz episode with all the co-hosts at once
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| 07:59:06 PM | ajamison5579 | lighting chair change host every camera switch
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| 07:59:07 PM | gsiegel | Anyone want a pickle ?
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| 07:59:07 PM | Garbee | I hope he brings more Cookies next week.
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| 07:59:15 PM | Drumstick | He can wear it next week.....
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| 07:59:21 PM | _Jot_ | no problem Blithe55, usually he asks, he just forget this time :)
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| 07:59:23 PM | Linius84 | lol
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| 07:59:50 PM | agamotto | This is like our evening news...
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| 07:59:53 PM | emiel1976 | lol
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| 08:00:40 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, no wonder it took hours, and P.S. Dont forget to send the bill of studio-time to EricKidd :P
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| 08:00:44 PM | SammySez | Rachel is a riot
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| 08:00:47 PM | Garbee | Blooper Real is fun.
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| 08:00:55 PM | GoodGuy | Reel
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| 08:01:02 PM | Garbee | RachelXu, I am here!
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| 08:01:06 PM | RachelXu | yay
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| 08:01:16 PM | Rony | wow
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| 08:01:22 PM | _Jot_ | Garbee rushed over, just to be here
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| 08:01:27 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, You were correct, I didnt want to miss this.
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| 08:01:29 PM | _Jot_ | before he was there, but that wasnt good enough for him
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| 08:01:33 PM | gsiegel | Bonus features !
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| 08:01:34 PM | GoodGuy | RachelXu, has a really nice personality
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| 08:02:11 PM | RobbieF | Thanks everyone!
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| 08:02:14 PM | RobbieF | Hope you had fun.
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| 08:02:16 PM | Drumstick | Excellent!!
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| 08:02:17 PM | emiel1976 | RachelXu has it not easy with those men
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| 08:02:18 PM | agamotto | ehehehe
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| 08:02:19 PM | Yazid1965 | lol
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| 08:02:20 PM | Drumstick | Bye all.
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| 08:02:22 PM | SammySez | that was great
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| 08:02:24 PM | SammySez | later
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| 08:02:25 PM | Blithe55 | see ya
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| 08:02:25 PM | RachelXu | awww thanks goodguy
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| 08:02:33 PM | GoodGuy | Thank you RobbieF
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| 08:02:35 PM | maxwell6307 | great show guys thanks
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| 08:02:36 PM | _Jot_ | thanks for the show RobbieF and RachelXu, great job! and to your twin as well
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| 08:02:43 PM | Linius84 | bye everybody
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| 08:02:43 PM | GoodGuy | You are welcome :-)
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| 08:02:50 PM | GregInTexas | funny stuff!
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| 08:03:13 PM | maxwell6307 | later all
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| 08:03:18 PM | agamotto | Well, I will be going... I need to give the dog her night medicine... Thankfully only three more days of it.
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| 08:03:29 PM | _Jot_ | good luck agamotto
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| 08:03:30 PM | emiel1976 | till mext week
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| 08:03:38 PM | GoodGuy | That is alwasy so much fun agamotto ... NOT
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| 08:03:46 PM | _Jot_ | have a nice week leaving people
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| 08:04:04 PM | agamotto | _Jot_- No worries. She managed to be stung by some kind of centipede in the basement... had a bad reaction
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| 08:04:09 PM | GoodGuy | We tried giving pills to our beloved cat.. she isnt a dumb animal by any means
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| 08:04:14 PM | GregInTexas | night all ... great show RobbieF/Rachel!!
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| 08:04:23 PM | RachelXu | tata Greg
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