Chat Logs for Episode 232 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


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06:58:15 PMRobbieF Ready folks? :)
06:58:21 PMRavenLords yes
06:58:22 PM_Jot_ press play on tape!
06:58:23 PMevermind yeppers
06:58:28 PMDennis_Kelley Yes we RRRRRR!
06:58:29 PMRobbieF hope you have a FUN TIME1
06:58:37 PMGarbee No RobbieF, need to load the live feed and watch an ad.
06:59:12 PMGarbee haha
06:59:12 PMBitSprocket 3...2....1....ACTION!
06:59:23 PMGarbee I get a popup ad over the vdieo for Windows Azure.
06:59:25 PMRavenLords lol
06:59:27 PMGarbee How do they know me so well?
06:59:32 PM_Jot_ no thanks RobbieF, I'm not hungry
06:59:34 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF pointed at me!!
06:59:38 PMGarbee Next up is SSH client for Windows.
06:59:53 PMGarbee Then an ad for Webmatrix.
06:59:59 PMGarbee haha, that is just hilarious.
07:00:02 PMBitSprocket RobbieF, when are you going to invite guests via skype?
07:00:40 PMGarbee BitSprocket, That is a rare occurance, unless it is an interview.
07:00:53 PM_Jot_ nice haircut TheChrista
07:00:54 PMOompaLoompa Christa looks really nice with her hair straightened
07:00:58 PMOompaLoompa Not that she doesnt always
07:01:13 PMGarbee Robbie is mad!
07:01:15 PMG_Dog1985_ lol chrisreich
07:01:40 PMGarbee TheChrista, How else is he supposed to White-Balance the cameras?
07:02:10 PMGarbee A fibre cable out! WHAT?!
07:02:21 PMGarbee hi agamotto
07:02:22 PMagamotto Hallo, all
07:02:25 PMBitSprocket Fibercrunch! Sounds like a new distro
07:02:30 PMG_Dog1985_ hi agamotto
07:02:42 PMagamotto Or a new health cereal
07:02:52 PMBitSprocket +1 agamotto
07:02:54 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
07:02:57 PMG_Dog1985_ haha
07:03:21 PMagamotto Garbee- You might be amused to know that my parents are hunkered down with my brother in Phoenix... dodging dust storms!
07:03:30 PMBitSprocket Yay!
07:03:32 PMOompaLoompa I feel mean only complimenting Christa, nice eyebrows RobbieF :D
07:03:34 PMGarbee TheChrista, What can you tell me about Cat5.tv v3?
07:03:35 PMBitSprocket Ahoy!
07:03:35 PMDennis_Kelley Drumstick - Happy Birthday!
07:03:51 PMGarbee haha OompaLoompa
07:03:55 PMRavenLords happy birthday
07:04:04 PMagamotto Dieter! ist dancentimen on Der Sprokets!
07:04:10 PMDennis_Kelley good one OompaLoompa
07:04:48 PMGarbee I would compliment Robbie's code over his eyebrows.
07:04:52 PM_Jot_ TheChrista, did you send a postcard from Mexico?
07:04:56 PMagamotto Michaeliowa- snowing yet?
07:04:59 PMGarbee The memory usage of the new site is sick!
07:05:02 PMDave_Maydew Did he say Betta??
07:05:08 PMDave_Maydew or BEEEEEEETA
07:05:22 PMMichaeliowa no snow just rain today
07:05:34 PM_Jot_ Yay, I win! What did I win RobbieF?
07:05:41 PMRavenLords lol
07:05:41 PMagamotto heheh
07:05:44 PMGarbee Nice animation.
07:05:48 PMDennis_Kelley that was great!
07:05:49 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
07:05:57 PMRavenLords yes
07:06:03 PMG_Dog1985_ win
07:06:24 PMGarbee So accurate too.
07:06:30 PMagamotto I am surprised it isn't just liquidimage.ca
07:06:35 PMG_Dog1985_ yep
07:06:44 PMMichaeliowa agamotto: you getting snow?
07:06:56 PMagamotto not yet
07:07:05 PMBitSprocket Is it my imagination or does RobbieF seem to always be sipping on vodka?
07:07:17 PMagamotto What is wrong with vodka?
07:07:23 PMGarbee Netgear is typically what I recommend.
07:07:38 PMRavenLords ok ty
07:07:42 PMG_Dog1985_ same
07:07:46 PMBitSprocket I use Linksys with ddwrt
07:07:48 PMagamotto I recommend anything not endorsed by AT&T
07:07:53 PMMark_M Asus have some great new routers, best thruput etc
07:07:56 PMG_Dog1985_ but miro
07:08:14 PMGarbee DO NOT enable WPS on the router. Or disable it if it is enabled by default in your ROM.
07:08:29 PMGoodGuy Take a look at Asus RT-N66U "Dark Knight"
07:08:42 PMBitSprocket Mine has 2!
07:08:47 PMGarbee And still have room on the ROM.
07:09:00 PMMark_M http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/view
07:09:03 PMagamotto Has anyone here played with routers featuring AirOS?
07:09:07 PMMark_M thats a great link about routers
07:09:27 PMBitSprocket How does openwrt stack up to ddwrt?
07:09:56 PMagamotto TheChrista- You might also want to have Robbie explain what the differences are between a router and a gateway.
07:10:19 PMGoodGuy What does that do to their warranty?
07:10:25 PMRavenLords nice
07:10:44 PMRavenLords ok ty
07:10:46 PMDennis_Kelley Hello Goodguy!
07:10:46 PMagamotto woot!
07:10:51 PMGoodGuy Hi Dennis_Kelley
07:11:35 PMRavenLords sweet
07:11:39 PMagamotto So what you have there would be more of a gateway than a router?
07:11:51 PMGarbee RobbieF, What is the buffer size in that router?
07:11:56 PMinvinciblemutant lol
07:12:04 PMinvinciblemutant durex ads on bsp
07:12:09 PMGarbee Yea, get to the real point and companies get all hush-hush.
07:12:15 PMagamotto That would make it a very good bargain at ~ $100
07:12:16 PMinvinciblemutant lol
07:12:17 PMMark_M check out the chart here guys, asus on top by looks ... http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/view
07:12:20 PMMichaeliowa lol
07:12:45 PMGarbee The Asus router on that list is not supported by DD-WRT, so you may want to look at another solution.
07:13:06 PMevermind well, dban is something nice too
07:13:08 PMGarbee If you want to be stuck with the proprietary firmware, you can take the top model.
07:13:08 PMG_Dog1985_ haha
07:13:12 PMGarbee TheChrista, It is serious.
07:13:15 PMDennis_Kelley TheChrista - He is serious!
07:13:18 PMagamotto The only distro that actually employs a Vorlon....
07:13:20 PMGarbee Wikipedia says it, it is true.
07:13:27 PMagamotto TheChrista- strewth
07:13:43 PMevermind yes, x11 forwarding, ssh
07:13:45 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, it wa'n't the girlfriend, it's the wife
07:13:47 PMloki2 a gateway is a software term for interconnecting protocol. a router is hardware
07:13:50 PMMark_M its what we need in Australia with new fibre to the home network, router needs to support 100mb
07:13:51 PMchrisreich TheChrista RobbieF is correct, but he is *not* serious. Well, hardly ever.
07:13:56 PMBitSprocket RobbieF - Yes, you can use RDP
07:13:57 PMloki2 protocols
07:14:03 PMGoodGuy wife was a girlfriend first :-)
07:14:07 PMGarbee VNC has been speedy for me when it works... It is mainly about the network.
07:14:09 PMagamotto loki2- So why are some boxes called gateways, and others routers?
07:14:11 PMGarbee Do I hear small children?
07:14:18 PMchrisreich and now is his ex-wife.
07:14:34 PMG_Dog1985_ Garbee: yes
07:14:44 PMG_Dog1985_ i hear i to
07:14:45 PMloki2 really, have not come across them
07:15:05 PMGarbee loki2, Listen real close sometime. Then you can hear the spirits of Cat5.
07:15:12 PMBitSprocket Those are the viewers that they captured and are now hiding them under the stairs
07:15:15 PMagamotto loki2- So, by your language, all routers include a modem?
07:15:26 PMloki2 er no
07:15:35 PMGoodGuy a router is a gateway.. One side is the internet and the other your local LAN'
07:15:39 PMMark_M gateway = modem for me, router = sharing connection
07:15:49 PMGarbee loki2, A router is a bit more than just hardware.
07:15:57 PMGoodGuy a cable modem is the modem
07:16:06 PMOompaLoompa Yes Bit anyone who ever said RobbieF was boring was tracked down and put in the cellar. Forced to listen to all his shows.
07:16:12 PM_Jot_ modem = device that modulates electronic signals into sounds and demodulates them back
07:16:14 PMGoodGuy wireless part of a router = Access Point
07:16:14 PMGarbee It is also the software stack on top of that hardware for the processing and transport of packets.
07:16:28 PMagamotto loki2- Ok, then what is a 'box' (1) singular that connects to xDSl/cable, has wireless, and has the usual 4 ethernet ports on the back?
07:16:41 PMGarbee Routers really become a complicated device, since there are so many different forms.
07:17:04 PMGoodGuy They call them gateways iifc
07:17:05 PMloki2 a router, a gateway and a modem
07:17:06 PMGarbee Enterprise level routers even have exchangable parts, so one model can really do an array of tasks.
07:17:11 PMMark_M agamotto, u giving prizes? hey idea, we should have a techie quiz show one day!!
07:17:15 PMloki2 and probably a firewall!
07:17:18 PMBitSprocket RDP can let you use sound whereas I don't believe vnc will RobbieF
07:17:22 PMagamotto No wonder the people at AT&T have no idea about what they are selling...
07:17:45 PMGarbee I tend to see RDP using more network resources though.
07:17:47 PMGoodGuy But the router's IP address is called the gateway in settings
07:17:49 PMGarbee So that sound comes at a cost.
07:17:57 PMBitSprocket Agreed Garbee
07:17:58 PMagamotto Mark_M- No, actual serious inquiry so I can walk into store/net shop and buy (1) box that does it all.
07:18:19 PMDave_Maydew RobbieF hope thats Whisky in that glass :-)
07:18:40 PMGarbee agamotto, That is a modem and integrated-home router combo.
07:18:44 PMDave_Maydew Hey Scorpio
07:18:48 PMMark_M cisco got good shit if willing to spend $800 -$1200
07:18:51 PMevermind file_get_contents
07:18:54 PMevermind reads in your template
07:18:56 PMGarbee Mark_M, Language.
07:18:57 PMevermind outputs ...
07:19:06 PMMark_M oops, my bad, i appologize
07:19:09 PMevermind theres other functs too
07:19:10 PMagamotto Q being: What is the average customer supposed to call said 'box' when purchasing?
07:19:14 PMMark_M very sorry guys :(
07:19:25 PMScorpio55 Dave_Maydew hi Dave
07:19:36 PMMark_M @agamotto for me in AUS its called a router
07:19:43 PMDave_Maydew I've tried DecentOS
07:19:46 PMMark_M because we dont need adsl modems anymore
07:19:56 PM_Jot_ agamotto, 'this box where I connect them intarnet-tubes and my 'compeeters'
07:20:00 PMagamotto Mark_M- Ok, that points me to a direction at least.
07:20:08 PMagamotto _Jot_- exactly
07:20:10 PMGoodGuy Windows 7 Dave_Maydew :-)
07:20:12 PMMark_M we got firbre optics comming
07:20:19 PMGoodGuy Windows 7? Dave_Maydew :-)
07:20:20 PMMark_M fibre to the home
07:20:23 PMDave_Maydew but I'm going to try the Nvidia Dev drivers
07:20:32 PMDave_Maydew Windows 7??
07:20:37 PMDave_Maydew Noooooooooooo
07:20:41 PMemiel1976 RobbieF thanks that helps
07:20:43 PMagamotto Mark_M- Shhhh, or we will drop anchors on your cables too ;>
07:20:48 PMGarbee Optimus Prime!
07:20:50 PMMark_M so there fore, ur phone line will pug straight in to router with fibre optics, with thru put of 100mb/40mb
07:20:56 PMGoodGuy You said a DecentOS ( I know its a Linux)
07:20:57 PMDave_Maydew Optimus Prime
07:21:00 PMMark_M and not need modem
07:21:21 PMGarbee Mark_M, You will most likely have Fiber to the home, then convert that to cable, which then needs a modem.
07:21:23 PMsmittysmit Optimus Prime
07:21:38 PMGarbee An actual Fibre router for a home is EXPENSIVE since it is an enterprise level solution.
07:21:39 PM_Jot_ fibre-optics has the same upload and download-speed, such speeds as you mention often secretly go through dsl-technology or similar cable-technologies at the end
07:21:48 PMevermind nvidia is not better when it comes to bitcoins
07:21:49 PMagamotto Garbee- Not in AU, the government has commited for full-fibre across the country.
07:21:50 PMDave_Maydew has nVidia been better??
07:21:51 PMevermind just saying...
07:21:56 PMMark_M nah, modem will be in our power box, everyone gets the same one etc, it does the whole house, alarms, net etc
07:22:02 PMGarbee agamotto, That is interesting.
07:22:17 PMDave_Maydew lol
07:22:18 PMBitSprocket My experience is that NVidia has been much easier to install the drivers for and configure
07:22:33 PMScorpio55 Dave_Maydew tried cinnamon it's awful, like going back to win 95...lol
07:22:40 PMagamotto Garbee- Yes, amazing what can happen when a country settles on one standard.
07:22:42 PMBitSprocket 3.1 ftw!
07:22:47 PMchrisreich I remember editing text files on clay tablets, RobbieF :-)
07:22:51 PMDave_Maydew Still have issues with nVidia and *Cough* Unity
07:22:59 PMevermind but then again, when it comes just to presenting the gui, i dont think that theres any "bad" card nowadays
07:23:11 PMBitSprocket What kind of trouble Dave_Maydew?
07:23:14 PMevermind all i know work out of the box without any extra install
07:23:17 PMagamotto I like XFCE myself
07:23:42 PMGarbee Dave_Maydew, That is mostly Unity in my experience.
07:23:42 PMagamotto Then nVidia will lose a whole category of customers
07:23:43 PMjonathon Still get the "unsupported hardware" watermark after every graphics update with the onboard ATI chip in my motherboard.
07:23:53 PMDave_Maydew Doh!!!
07:24:02 PMG_Dog1985_ haha
07:24:36 PMagamotto Sounds like a good reason to keep 'old' kit for a bit longer until someone wants our money.
07:24:48 PMDave_Maydew I've had nVidia say my issues are Canonicals fault and Canonical have passed the buck
07:25:07 PMagamotto Dave_Maydew- No surprise there
07:25:17 PMBitSprocket I have a gtx480 running Unity no problems....
07:25:20 PMDave_Maydew Nope thats true
07:25:39 PMDave_Maydew GeForceFX 5700 with issues
07:25:46 PMGarbee I run a GTS-450 and when I run Unity no issues either.
07:25:50 PMagamotto Dave_Maydew- One of the main reasons I haven't upgraded from my 7xxx series cards. Can't get straight answers out of anyone.
07:25:50 PMGarbee ^^ Unless the alpha.
07:26:09 PMGarbee Dave_Maydew, There is your issue, that card is generations old.
07:26:11 PMevermind geforce actually really good for compiz stuff starting with 6x series
07:26:16 PMGarbee It really should be upgraded.
07:26:17 PMevermind everything below that could be a prob
07:26:26 PMDave_Maydew It works great in 10.04 but not 11.04+
07:26:34 PMGarbee I do believe the FX line even requires a special driver to themselves.
07:26:45 PMScorpio55 Dave_Maydew Nvidia don't support that card
07:26:57 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, I have a question, what's in the news?
07:26:58 PMDave_Maydew I'm using the 173 driver
07:27:07 PMGarbee walmart?
07:27:07 PMBitSprocket Here's a question: What's in the news? haha!
07:27:12 PMMark_M I have question? Hows Christa html course going?
07:27:16 PMDennis_Kelley Thrift Store!
07:27:19 PMchrisreich Goodwill
07:27:20 PMYazid1965 Does Christa still like cookies? LOL
07:27:24 PMevermind RobbieF how have you learned all that gimp stuff?
07:27:25 PMScorpio55 some of the TI series cards are no longer supported
07:27:27 PMevermind i mean, when and where
07:27:34 PMOompaLoompa He knit it himeslf
07:27:35 PMDave_Maydew She's learning to use Linux
07:27:37 PMDave_Maydew lol
07:27:37 PMGarbee You have Robbie to cheat off of!
07:27:56 PMevermind css3 is fun
07:27:56 PMagamotto I wish I had the metabolism that would allow me to wear sweaters/vests without breaking out in persperation.
07:27:57 PMevermind =)
07:28:03 PMevermind so much simpler
07:28:09 PMMark_M CSS 3 = not need photoshop !! :)
07:28:11 PMBitSprocket TheChrista, can you give us a 30 second rundown of why html5 is better and needed?
07:28:30 PMMark_M good to hear enjoying Christa
07:28:41 PMGarbee BitSprocket, I don't think she is that into it yet.
07:28:58 PMagamotto TheChrista will have her own Photoshop vodcast....
07:29:04 PMBitSprocket Ah
07:29:05 PMLuiGeek Hello!! --->from FL
07:29:05 PMGarbee Mark_M, What does Photoshop have to do with CSS3?
07:29:18 PMOompaLoompa FL? Jealous Luigeek
07:29:21 PMBitSprocket RobbieF, when are you going to start your GIMP vodcast?
07:29:21 PMchrisreich DRINK!
07:29:52 PMDave_Maydew Oh no the Kaleidoscope
07:29:56 PMLuiGeek why is that oompa?
07:30:05 PMOompaLoompa Its warm there is it not?
07:30:06 PMBitSprocket Nootrinose?
07:30:06 PMLuiGeek where u at?
07:30:09 PMagamotto How do we know that the neutrinos didn't knock the connection loose?
07:30:13 PMMark_M css3 is all about graphic styling thats normally done in PS. eg drop shadows, rotating objects/text, opacity, etc
07:30:16 PMDave_Maydew The problems they're having is Windows based
07:30:54 PMagamotto RobbieF- Actually, according to Mach, some of Einstein's math IS wrong...
07:30:54 PMGarbee Mark_M, CSS3 is needed in order to make those design's easier (if not even possible) to display in a browser in a standard way.
07:30:55 PMBitSprocket How many software engineers does it take to track nutrinos? None, that's a hardware problem. Oye
07:30:57 PMG_Dog1985_ lol Dave_Maydew
07:30:59 PMevermind well, if it proves one thing, than that it needs more testing
07:31:03 PMRavenLords lol
07:31:03 PMGoodGuy They thought Einstein was wrong, but they were mistaken
07:31:05 PMevermind cause the theories still stand
07:31:14 PMDave_Maydew ?10,000 each resident
07:31:25 PMGarbee agamotto, E=MC^2 still holds true... I'm good.
07:31:50 PMagamotto evermind- check into this month's issue of Discover... some of that may be changing.
07:31:50 PMMark_M @garbee spoton, easier means no need to muck thgem up in photoshop, can style with css3 now easy
07:31:52 PMGoodGuy wonder how he figured that out Garbee
07:31:53 PMDave_Maydew God I'm good
07:32:01 PMagamotto Garbee- That part is still correct, yes
07:32:24 PMGarbee Mark_M, Not true. Wireframes, designs, and other pre-coding material is still good, since it speeds up the coding process.
07:32:24 PMMark_M @garbee and no way css3 displays same on all browsers, lolz
07:32:27 PMDave_Maydew why did OFCOM'edy sell the UHF frequencies off then find that issue
07:32:34 PMDave_Maydew NUMPTIES
07:32:50 PMGoodGuy Everyone knows the speed of light insnt the fastest.. Dont they watch Star Trak and Star Wars?
07:32:51 PMGarbee Mark_M, If you do it properly, it renders properly. At least, all my code does as long as the browsers support it.
07:33:11 PMGarbee GoodGuy, A lot more work than I am willing to do, that is how.
07:33:14 PMagamotto Dave_Maydew- I thought it was to expand wireless for police, military, etc...
07:33:15 PMMark_M @garbee agree, u should see the css3 mpx for fireworks, helps heaps with wireframing, as can then code your "dropshadows" in css3
07:33:16 PM_Jot_ Big brother is watching you
07:33:20 PMGoodGuy cant get to all those star systems at the slow speed of light
07:33:58 PMagamotto Where is Wesley when we need him?
07:34:00 PMDave_Maydew Nooo Agamoto our Police use T25 on 400MHz and 800MHz
07:34:09 PMBitSprocket FiberCruch for the win!
07:34:11 PMGarbee Mark_M, Fireworks = Adobe = Expensive. Not happening.
07:34:15 PMevermind RobbieF, can you see the impact on your google map?
07:34:20 PMevermind i mean of africa being half off
07:34:42 PMagamotto I wonder if that has caused problems for kevoh?
07:34:44 PMBitSprocket 2 weeks without netflix? The humanity!
07:34:56 PMGarbee Adobe stuff (for actual code) can mess the code up as well in some cases, so it is not recommended to even use.
07:35:23 PMMark_M @garbee is industry standard bro, i use it everyday at work
07:35:28 PM_Jot_ Yay! We're wonderful
07:35:40 PMGoodGuy I like when I read they were not certain when they turned on that CERN gadget on, it wouldnt suck earth into a black hole or something
07:35:44 PMGarbee Dreamweaver is not a standard. A text editor is standard, it does not matter which.
07:35:57 PMGoodGuy Cant afford to be wrong lol
07:36:01 PMagamotto Didn't 3.5 of LibreOffice just come out?
07:36:05 PMMark_M im talkin fireworks/photoshop lol, didnt mention DW
07:36:06 PMDave_Maydew I use KompoZer
07:36:11 PMGarbee agamotto, Yes, I do believe so.
07:36:15 PMpyrosrock o danm i completely forgot about the show good thing i logged on to the chatroom
07:36:18 PMMark_M fireworks great for wireframing
07:36:22 PMBitSprocket agamotto it did very recently and it's not much diff than 3.4.x
07:36:28 PMMark_M i dont use PS for web tho
07:36:35 PMagamotto BitSprocket- Ok, so no need to rush it, eh?
07:36:39 PMevermind kids get a room
07:36:43 PMGarbee Mark_M, Photoshop, maybe. Fireworks still, not quite in my books.
07:36:49 PMGoodGuy RobbieF, - where does Christa park her Bentley during the show?
07:36:57 PMDave_Maydew is there another suitable FrontPage like app
07:36:58 PMBitSprocket It's got some bug fixes but not really worth tripping over. I found it has some issues with templates I use too.
07:37:10 PMagamotto In what, rupees?
07:37:14 PMevermind get over it, kids
07:37:30 PMBitSprocket Bitcoin?
07:37:31 PMGoodGuy Castles dont have mortgages Christa
07:37:34 PMMark_M @garbee i give my reason for fireworks, is for wireframing / mockups, and so fast cause use "symbols" and just click drag, like snippets in code etc
07:37:44 PMagamotto TheChrista- I was actually defending you :)
07:37:47 PMScorpio55 Dave_Maydew LO Writer
07:37:53 PMGarbee Mark_M, Powerpoint is also a great tool for wireframing, as well as Publisher.
07:38:12 PMMark_M but those cant them code the image styles in css3 thats my whole point :)
07:38:21 PMDave_Maydew Can I drag and drop in that one Scorpio??
07:38:28 PMGarbee Mark_M, They don't need to, that is the developers job, not the designer.
07:38:32 PMevermind feeling better now?;:=
07:38:36 PMBitSprocket Scorpio55 as a replacement for frontpage?
07:38:42 PMMark_M bah, lern 2 do both
07:38:42 PMYazid1965 LOL
07:38:49 PMGoodGuy If you can afford Macs, what is the price of Photoshop to you?
07:38:52 PMagamotto The only thing holding GIMP back is the loads of hand-holding
07:38:57 PMYazid1965 Get him Christa LOL
07:38:59 PMMark_M css3 should be dseigner, js php etc dev
07:39:09 PMagamotto Dieter?
07:39:10 PMpyrosrock wow RobbieF the BSP and the main tool are at compleetly difrent points
07:39:10 PMjonathon Dave_Maydew, Kompozer
07:39:16 PMBitSprocket Wahooza!
07:39:19 PMpyrosrock main feed
07:39:22 PMScorpio55 You can do desktop publishing in LO
07:39:27 PMKing_Arthur Christa is Jazzy -- raise your hands
07:39:28 PMGarbee Mark_M, We apparently have different views on the jobs.
07:39:36 PMTheChrista They are more expensive, but I find that I use them for a really long time and they end up paying for themselves
07:39:44 PMBitSprocket RobbieF - I could have supplied you with embarasing photos!
07:39:45 PMGoodGuy ask her Mom
07:40:16 PMGoodGuy Moms always have some embarassing photos.. usually saved for your wedding time
07:40:21 PMMark_M @garbee i agree, i feel that if web designer, u should know css, its ur main job, even if css3
07:40:24 PMScorpio55 Dave_Maydew possibly Lotus Symphony
07:40:32 PMBitSprocket Tons!
07:40:40 PMGarbee Mark_M, I see CSS as code, which it is, therefore it is the dev's job.
07:40:48 PMDave_Maydew I'll stick to KompoZer
07:41:06 PMMark_M \@garbee, np man, il lhave to agree/disagree.. no hard ffeelings
07:41:10 PMGarbee Let the designer design, in Photoshop, hand the PSD to the dev to do all the code work, that way it is done properly and they know what is going on vs having css they didn't code.
07:41:15 PMBitSprocket Saw the vinyette
07:41:29 PMMark_M i geuss im getting ripped off at work then! lolz
07:41:33 PMGarbee Mark_M, Glad we agree!
07:41:35 PMBitSprocket Very cool! Thanks.
07:41:37 PMMark_M ill just draw from nowz on hahah
07:41:41 PMKing_Arthur very nice Robbie
07:42:09 PMGoodGuy Can you take off a bunch of pounds using GIMP?
07:42:25 PMBitSprocket Toothpaste commercials anyone?
07:42:29 PMGarbee I see it that way.. Designer = The person who designs. Developer = The one that codes. When the design stuff does code, it makes the dev work harder since they need to decipher it. But, if one is both Designer and Developer, then it depends on how you feel about it.
07:42:32 PMagamotto Mark_M- It is like translating, insist on being extra for each language.
07:42:38 PMMark_M @garbee, what i have to do at work is... mock up web graphic, then slice it, write html/css to make it LOOK like pic... then hand it to dev who writes php and javascript to make the Behaviour of site, thats all dev
07:42:39 PMYazid1965 The Joker line...Why so serious? LOL
07:42:41 PMevermind goodguy, yep, iwarp works further down as well
07:42:43 PMRavenLords lol
07:42:45 PMGarbee I personally am doing the desing and code for the new store site, I am keeping both things completely seperate.
07:42:49 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, that picture looks exactly like you!
07:43:00 PMagamotto Mark_M- Paid extra, that should be
07:43:02 PMGoodGuy Neat
07:43:03 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy - are you saying TheChrista needs pounds off?
07:43:05 PM_Jot_ look ma, I'm on TV again
07:43:14 PMGarbee Yea, I'm with agamotto. The dev's job is to do the code work.
07:43:19 PMGoodGuy No I am saying I do!
07:43:30 PMGarbee HTML/CSS = code, therefore it falls under the dev in my book.
07:43:44 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy! Ok!!
07:43:49 PMMichaeliowa lol
07:43:51 PMBitSprocket This hast to make it into the clips show for the end of the year right?
07:44:03 PMMark_M my boss would argue that its only styling code,, plus its fairly easy etc,, comparted to writing function / loops etc
07:44:05 PMagamotto Not being paid for different job descriptions is one of the reasons I dropped out of the CS/IT market...
07:44:27 PMBitSprocket RobbieF - Thanks for that!
07:44:43 PMevermind one plugin she will never forgetz
07:44:43 PMKing_Arthur RobbieF - Thanks for that!
07:44:46 PMGarbee agamotto, I do this stuff, but if I do websites to get paid for it, I make sure if I am doing all the work I will get paid for Design and dev work.
07:44:58 PMMark_M i wonder what robbieF view is? does css/html = web designer, or developer
07:45:06 PMBitSprocket RobbieF - You should consider putting the episode number in your lower thirds
07:45:18 PMDennis_Kelley Its Free!
07:45:22 PMGoodGuy If you can make GIMP see thru clothes, The TSA wants it lol
07:45:27 PMagamotto eehehehehe
07:45:35 PMGarbee Robbie, Are you targeting this show at me?
07:45:39 PMDave_Maydew Libre Office rocks
07:45:57 PMMark_M i use Libre
07:45:59 PMMark_M is cool
07:46:06 PMGarbee I use MS Office 2010 Pro.
07:46:14 PMDave_Maydew I've installed it on the inlaws Windows XP machine
07:46:21 PMMark_M bagh Garbee! expensive ms stuffZ!
07:46:28 PMMark_M :P
07:46:29 PMagamotto I even have my mother using LibreOffice.... the ribbon in M$2007 ticks her off to no end...
07:46:32 PMBitSprocket Libre Office is very cool although the impress program does tend to bork power point imports though.
07:46:34 PMGarbee Mark_M, I have Technet Subscription.
07:46:36 PMevermind i dont use any office atm
07:46:38 PMDave_Maydew Can't afford software like that
07:46:41 PMGarbee and MS is cheap compared to adobe suites.
07:46:46 PMMark_M @garbee im stirring u up mate
07:47:00 PMDave_Maydew lol
07:47:05 PMGarbee Mark_M, I don't get stirred up during shows, catch me during the week.
07:47:09 PMMark_M @garbee cause u said same for my adobe stuff etc lol :)
07:47:21 PMagamotto Mark_M- give him a kick in the prang while you are at it :)
07:47:33 PMGarbee Adobe stuff is expensive. Compare the CS5 Master suite to MS Office 2010 Pro, see the price difference.
07:47:48 PMMark_M @garbee,, ,,, here we go...
07:47:50 PMMark_M :P
07:47:53 PMloki2 does it open .xlsx ?
07:47:57 PMGarbee Then, compare them both to nano and go WOW!
07:48:13 PMMark_M i quit WOW years ago :)
07:48:15 PMGarbee loki2, They do have xml encoded format support, but it is not guarenteed.
07:48:16 PMDave_Maydew They've improved Libre Spreadsheet
07:48:17 PMpyrosrock i have to say that every time i try to use GIMP i get NOWHERE!
07:48:45 PMGarbee pyrosrock, I spend hours trying to figure out basic things, then eventually figure it out by random luck.
07:48:47 PMloki2 how does libre office compare to openoffice?
07:48:50 PMagamotto Just make sure to find out which version of M$ they are using...
07:49:01 PMBitSprocket pyrosrock, I used to have the same problem but there are TONS of tutorial vids on youtube and they are quite good.
07:49:06 PMGarbee loki2, Libre is a fork of Open after the Oracle aquisition. It is much further developed now.
07:49:17 PMGarbee Most of the OpenOffice team left Oracle to dev LibreOffice.
07:49:17 PMagamotto loki2- same thing, with tons of small improvements, no more Oracle delays
07:49:20 PMDave_Maydew Libre Office is far more better
07:49:21 PMKing_Arthur loki2 just more free as in freedom
07:49:23 PMloki2 cool
07:49:29 PMBubblehead Which word is a clone of Wordperfect and Wordperfect is a clone of Star Office
07:49:38 PMDave_Maydew Scribus is another application I run
07:49:47 PMpyrosrock loki2 same thing just owned bf the libre open foundation and kept up to date
07:50:01 PMpyrosrock orical sold it
07:50:07 PMGarbee The ribbon has made things too easy to go back to the chaotic taskbars.
07:50:30 PMDave_Maydew Install Libre with the PPA
07:50:32 PMGarbee The Ribbon is super clean compared to the taskbars.
07:50:43 PMjonathon I would say the more familiar you are with the non-free versions the more you will dislike the open-source versions. Just hard to change once you learn one way.
07:50:44 PMBitSprocket Garbee, just wait until the HUD appears in 12.04 - you'll not need the ribbon any more
07:50:44 PMagamotto For those of us used to keyboard shortcuts, the ribbon is annoying
07:50:51 PMDave_Maydew it removes Open Office for you
07:51:00 PMGarbee BitSprocket, I used HUD, it is worthless in its current state.
07:51:03 PMDennis_Kelley Thanks RobbieF
07:51:14 PMOompaLoompa When will you start paying Christa?
07:51:18 PMGarbee RobbieF, Are you targeting this show at me? Pointing all these free solutions out.
07:51:21 PMagamotto BitSprocket- that is one thing I am actually looking forward to
07:51:26 PMBitSprocket Garbee, It is, but imagine how awesome it will be once it's had time to bake
07:51:28 PMDave_Maydew How about Scribus RobbieF??
07:51:37 PMchrisreich back when RobbieF had hair, that is.
07:51:38 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF - have you ever worked with Android Tablets?
07:51:49 PMDave_Maydew I have
07:51:52 PMDave_Maydew hehehehehe
07:52:08 PMGarbee BitSprocket, It is just used currently to access the menu's, pointless to me. I need to type in " close tab " in ff and it close the current tab, and do other useful things like that before it has a point to me.
07:52:11 PMDave_Maydew Both the Chinese ones and Samsung one
07:52:11 PMagamotto Or dealing with versioned file formats!
07:52:13 PMDennis_Kelley Dave_Maydew - what kind and version
07:52:27 PMemiel1976 I am waiting for the Rapberry Pi that can be orderd in 6 ours
07:52:42 PMDave_Maydew I have the APAD running a custom ROM
07:52:53 PMKing_Arthur Rapberry Pi in hours?? in Canada?
07:53:05 PMledzep RobbieF How well does Ubuntu run on a tablet?
07:53:05 PMG_Dog1985_ haha
07:53:09 PMBitSprocket agamotto, when it's fully cooked, it will make life for those that are not 'computer savvy' easier. Garbee, you're right but when you can't find the option you're looking for, it will work better than gnome-do
07:53:09 PMDennis_Kelley Dave_Maydew - ever work with a Nextbook
07:53:13 PMGarbee King_Arthur, They go on sale at midnight I do believe.
07:53:21 PMemiel1976 6 gm time so 7our in the morning here
07:53:22 PMDave_Maydew no
07:53:27 PMBitSprocket Garbee, all a matter of perspective I guess
07:53:32 PMagamotto Not the lovely people from Burkina Faso wanting help with their money-laundering?
07:53:35 PMDave_Maydew but I have used the ASUS Transformer
07:53:43 PMDave_Maydew what a Tablet
07:53:44 PMGarbee BitSprocket, I rarely have an issue finding things. For a general user, it is great. For me, pointless in its current state.
07:53:44 PMMark_M i heard backtrack runs on asus transformer,,, that all i heard
07:53:58 PMledzep ICS runs nice on the Transformer
07:54:13 PMDave_Maydew Dads had a call saying his machine was running slow
07:54:14 PMDennis_Kelley Dave_Maydew - any good guides out there for making a custom ROM
07:54:14 PMGarbee HUD seems to just be a search for the features of the software, which *I* know. but a normal user, may not.
07:54:17 PMBitSprocket I heard Optimus Prime uses the HUD tho - LOL
07:54:31 PMDave_Maydew he told them to go fourth and....
07:54:36 PMemiel1976 Ubuntu runs on it so i think backtrack will do also
07:54:44 PMOompaLoompa Linux must be using mindcontrol on RobbieF or they have blackmail on him to get him to constantly promote them.
07:54:53 PMBitSprocket They?
07:55:10 PMDennis_Kelley the bad guys!!
07:55:12 PMGarbee I think he means Linus.
07:55:15 PMKing_Arthur OompaLoompa or he is just smart.
07:55:18 PMagamotto "My windows are triple-glazed, thank you very much. They were installed just last year, by one of your competitors." click
07:55:21 PMBitSprocket Or the kids under the stairs...
07:55:39 PMchrisreich no need for politeness in such cases, I opine
07:55:47 PMGuest_7026 My friend actually thought that Bill Gates was out to distribute money for free
07:55:50 PMGoodGuy Say I'll call you back lol
07:55:51 PMGarbee If they are calling from India, then it is very believable.
07:55:54 PMMark_M lol
07:56:04 PMDave_Maydew I've been waiting for the same call Dads had... I was looking forward to say Sorry I aint running WINDOWS
07:56:21 PMemiel1976 lol
07:56:31 PMGarbee Guest_7026, He does through charity work, especially in developing nations. He just doesn't go out on the street and hand out cash to anyone.
07:56:37 PMagamotto RobbieF- Even the stuff from Burkina Faso?
07:56:37 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, there is this guy on tv, that says he will help me if I get phishing-email, should I trust him?
07:56:41 PMRavenLords nop win is no good
07:56:42 PMMark_M by the way, i got a malicius script warning from cat5 last night? some url from xxx.in/counter.php etc
07:56:45 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, his name is Robbie Ferguson
07:56:46 PMmaxwell6307 thanks for that info robbie
07:57:14 PMOompaLoompa All this time I thought it was Robbie Frankfurter
07:57:16 PMMark_M but gone today
07:57:18 PMGarbee Mark_M, There have been some issues lately, we will look into that one. Thanks.
07:57:33 PMMark_M np
07:57:36 PMGarbee There was a bad attack the other week, things may be residually returning.
07:57:41 PMDave_Maydew Siemester... is that our half term in the UK??
07:57:50 PMDave_Maydew and have I spelt it correctly??
07:57:53 PMagamotto Dave_Maydew- i think so, yes
07:57:56 PMBitSprocket RobbieF, TheChrista - Great show guys! Thanks for putting it together!
07:57:57 PMagamotto Semester
07:57:59 PMDave_Maydew ahhhh
07:58:09 PMDave_Maydew see I spelt it wrong hehehehe
07:58:22 PMDave_Maydew It's an Apple Tablet
07:58:24 PMDave_Maydew lol
07:58:30 PMMark_M @garbee thx for the spirited conversation tonight :)
07:58:40 PMDave_Maydew nice
07:58:44 PMagamotto I use up-turned rodents....
07:58:46 PMGarbee Mark_M, Come in during the week... It can get more fun.
07:59:06 PMDave_Maydew I want the Raspberry Pi
07:59:10 PMkiwitux did you review that tablet
07:59:14 PMMark_M Thx for the show guys
07:59:24 PM_Jot_ you're okay in longer periods too, TheChrista. I mean, of seeing, not of staying away
07:59:24 PMDave_Maydew Cheers RobbieF
07:59:28 PMDave_Maydew great show
07:59:32 PMGoodGuy Same here Dave_Maydew .. I have been looking at their site every day
07:59:33 PMkiwitux The tablet works with Linux?
07:59:33 PMGarbee Robbie can't say Beta right...
07:59:39 PMDave_Maydew and I actually made it
07:59:40 PMRavenLords night every one
07:59:40 PMDennis_Kelley Thanks RobbieF
07:59:42 PMchrisreich All my best to everyone, even King_Arthur
07:59:42 PMMichaeliowa hi
07:59:47 PMKing_Arthur RobbieF, TheChrista I enjoyed the GIMP and the Libre Office show
07:59:47 PMMark_M @The Christa goodluck with your study , hope its all good fun
07:59:49 PMDennis_Kelley Thanks TheChrista
07:59:53 PMDave_Maydew we say BEEEEETA
07:59:56 PMDave_Maydew lol
08:00:01 PMpyrosrock RobbieF perfectbuntu works in 12.04 with a little hack
08:00:12 PMRavenLords night Robbie
08:00:13 PMemiel1976 I want 4 raspeberry pi's
08:00:18 PMDave_Maydew Hope Erik doesn't wear the yellow shirt
08:00:19 PMDave_Maydew lol
08:00:22 PMBitSprocket Okay, where's the beta?
08:00:23 PMagamotto Dave_Maydew- at least you aren't one of those that says bayter
08:00:24 PMTheChrista Good to see/chat with you folks again
08:00:25 PMGarbee emiel1976, Limit one per person for a while.
08:00:36 PMgpop7 have a good one everyone. great show.
08:00:38 PMDave_Maydew oh no
08:00:39 PMMark_M i should sign up for betta, but not sure if Garbee will read any of my suggestions lolz@
08:00:39 PMDave_Maydew lol
08:00:40 PMTheChrista Thanks for joining us tonight!
08:00:46 PMGarbee It was nice seeing you again TheChrista, even though you didn't take me with you down to Mexico!
08:00:49 PMDave_Maydew Anyway I'm off to bed
08:00:56 PMKing_Arthur chrisreich my G=Id is https://plus.google.com/u/0/118241806298188439103/posts
08:00:56 PMGoodGuy See XBNC on a Raspberry Pi?
08:00:56 PMBitSprocket Garbee, where does one sign up for the beta?
08:00:59 PMDave_Maydew wife is up in 5hrs
08:01:00 PMGoodGuy XBMC
08:01:06 PMGarbee Mark_M, I don't care. Robbie is the one you need to recommend to.
08:01:08 PMemiel1976 i start with one but more will follow
08:01:09 PMDave_Maydew and off to see my Dad on Friday
08:01:19 PMMark_M is it live@cat5.tv?
08:01:25 PMGarbee live@category5.tv
08:01:31 PMDave_Maydew yeah
08:01:31 PMMark_M nvm, ill look on site lol
08:01:35 PMMark_M cheers
08:01:38 PMMark_M later all
08:01:39 PMGarbee BitSprocket, Read the topic for the chatroom.
08:01:52 PMemiel1976 later
08:01:53 PMGarbee email live@category5.tv with V3 Beta in the subject line.
08:01:57 PMBitSprocket Garbee, thanks it was out of view. Got it!
08:01:58 PMGoodGuy night all .... bad cold is wearing me out
08:01:58 PMagamotto I still can't grasp the appeal of Downton Abbey....
08:02:17 PMDave_Maydew they talk to posh on that show
08:02:27 PMDave_Maydew I'm a commoner
08:02:38 PMagamotto I am simply tired of the period pieces
08:02:52 PMpyrosrock TheChrista u know u can still join the chat room even if ur not on the show
08:02:59 PMGarbee RobbieF, work so hard to get a good photo.
08:03:01 PMDave_Maydew If I was t break out in my native tongue you wouldn't understand me
08:03:16 PMGarbee See ya BitSprocket
08:03:34 PMDave_Maydew RobbieF, my wife said thanks for the info on the GIMP
08:03:40 PMTheChrista Thanks for joining us tonight BitSprocket
08:03:41 PMDave_Maydew she runs it on Windows
08:03:54 PMagamotto Dave_Maydew- zit wurs thn txt spk?
08:04:10 PMDave_Maydew Yow cor spake propa
08:04:12 PMBitSprocket It was much fun TheChrista - Likely to be a regular!
08:04:13 PMDave_Maydew hehehehehe
08:04:19 PMGarbee Have a good time in between now and the next time we see you TheChrista, glad to see you are doing well without us.
08:04:30 PMagamotto Ahhh, Ms. Brahms.....
08:04:38 PMDave_Maydew Wot yow say Scorpio?
08:04:42 PMDave_Maydew ;-)
08:05:00 PMG_Dog1985_ raspeberry pi ? Garbee
08:05:05 PMagamotto It could be worse, you could be a hayseed from Jersey...
08:05:11 PMDave_Maydew ah bin ya Scorpio??
08:05:20 PMGarbee G_Dog1985_, What about it?
08:05:27 PMDave_Maydew thats true
08:05:33 PMG_Dog1985_ what is it
08:05:34 PMpyrosrock what is it?
08:05:44 PMDave_Maydew or a accent from Taunton....
08:05:57 PMGarbee It is a $35 USD computer.
08:06:01 PMGarbee and a $25 version as well.
08:06:09 PMDave_Maydew ?22 in the UK
08:06:12 PMpyrosrock oh yeah i know now
08:06:13 PMevermind yey, was a nice show
08:06:13 PMagamotto Oooooo, Taunton... right posh, that
08:06:17 PMGarbee http://www.raspberrypi.org/
08:06:20 PMDennis_Kelley TheChrista - is that a little race track?
08:06:22 PMDave_Maydew Raspberry Pi Rocks
08:06:27 PMTheChrista I like it
08:06:28 PMTheChrista it's fun
08:06:46 PMTheChrista This is how Robbie gets me to come back to the show, he puts toys in front of me on the desk
08:07:08 PMDave_Maydew hahahahaha
08:07:09 PMagamotto So all we have to do is send you dinosaur toys and other odd bits?
08:07:35 PMTheChrista Garbee, don't you worry, I'm doing well, but I still miss you guys
08:08:37 PMpyrosrock Garbee did u say u were running 12.04?
08:08:43 PMDave_Maydew right goodnight all
08:08:52 PMDave_Maydew I'm up in less that 5hrs
08:08:54 PMRobbieF Thanks everyone!
08:10:45 PMG_Dog1985_ brb
08:10:45 PM_Jot_ thank you RobbieF and TheChrista
08:11:16 PMpyrosrock TheChrista that is a reli big slate! didnt see it when RobbieF was sittung in the way
08:11:30 PMpyrosrock sitting
08:12:27 PMTheChrista It's the Wacom Intuos 4 tablet pyrosrock
08:12:37 PMagamotto Hmmm, the American version of Top Gear is on tonight... might actually watch it.
08:12:37 PMTheChrista I have the same one at home that I use for everything
08:12:43 PM_Jot_ so it is really intiutous to use?
08:13:00 PMTheChrista once you get used to it, it's really hard to go back to something that's less precise with pressure and movement
08:13:02 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF - Great show! Chat with you soon!
08:13:06 PMRobbieF thanks
08:13:07 PMRobbieF seeya soon
08:13:15 PMpyrosrock im sticking with my keyboard and mouse
08:13:21 PMagamotto TheChrista- Sort of like trying to type with mittens?
08:13:29 PM_Jot_ do you use it for movement and such too, or just for drawing and such, heChrista?
08:13:46 PMOompaLoompa After a tablet could never go back to a mouse, feels like being crippled.
08:14:06 PMpyrosrock _Jot_ christa is now a man!
08:14:20 PMagamotto I have always preferred trackballs for some reason
08:14:25 PMajamison5579 RobbieF sorry was not here for the show daughter's bday today so we were at Chuckie'Cheese
08:14:37 PM_Jot_ I do have a touchscreen-monitor, it is not quite a tablet, but it makes me understand why such a thing can be comfortable
08:14:47 PMagamotto ajamison5579- Hmmm, sounds like you have been appropriately punished...
08:14:54 PMpyrosrock i can never imagine trying to shoot peaple with a trackball or a slate!
08:15:16 PM_Jot_ ajamison5579, Robbie was very worried, every 5 minutes of the show he was like 'well, if ajamison was here he would know the answer' and then answer the question
08:15:16 PMajamison5579 lol
08:15:20 PMagamotto pyrosrock- Nah, I have the Nostromo for that kind of thing
08:15:43 PMmaxwell6307 night all take care
08:15:50 PMajamison5579 _jot_ lol if only my mere presence inspired such greatness I would be employeed
08:15:59 PMpyrosrock agamotto a waht?
08:16:09 PMagamotto Nostromo speed pad
08:17:01 PMagamotto I just wish they made such things in right-handed versions, for those of us who prefer to move cursors with our left hands.
08:17:39 PMpyrosrock ah i still think ill keep my G510 keyboard and RAT7 mouse
08:17:41 PMGarbee pyrosrock, I was earlier today, now I'm not.
08:18:26 PMpyrosrock Garbee i gat it isatalled on my com and the whole mouse follow and click is screwed up!
08:18:29 PMajamison5579 anyone here play the DIablo 3 beta
08:18:47 PMpyrosrock i can randomly click on stuf but not other stuf
08:18:49 PMGarbee pyrosrock, I never had that issue.
08:18:58 PMGarbee Sounds like a bug.
08:19:04 PMpyrosrock it is massive
08:19:14 PM_Jot_ ajamison5579, I have a diablo3 beta account
08:19:16 PMGarbee Re-install is my suggestion, or learn keyboard shortcuts.
08:19:20 PMpyrosrock i had it on the live cd and after install
08:19:42 PMpyrosrock yeah been basicaly using the keyboard
08:19:48 PMagamotto Well, I think I am going to wander off and give the feline and canine some attention.
08:19:54 PMajamison5579 I am sorry but Diablo3 seems to animeish to me not nearly as rhobust as D2 hope that changes by release
08:20:16 PMGarbee See you guys soon.
08:20:40 PM_Jot_ ajmison5579, I haven't played a lot of the missions yet, but it feels a lot like the first diablo to me, I like it a lot
08:21:08 PMajamison5579 it just lacks something when I play it seems disapointing
08:21:16 PMpyrosrock i have only played the first one
08:21:45 PMpyrosrock ajmison5579 probs why it is in beta!
08:22:17 PMajamison5579 well I played SC2 beta and that game felt more complete then D3
08:22:19 PMajamison5579 in beta
08:22:28 PMpyrosrock i hate people that judge a game of the beta
08:22:42 PMpyrosrock off*
08:22:45 PMajamison5579 I am not saying the game will be bad when finished
08:22:53 PMpyrosrock sc2?
08:23:04 PMajamison5579 just currently seems a bit underdeveloped for beta seems more alpha grade material
08:23:10 PMajamison5579 Starcraft 2
08:23:41 PMpyrosrock oh of cource i still like sc better than 2
08:24:10 PMajamison5579 lol
08:24:30 PMajamison5579 True I do not like the whole release the game in 3 parts kind of crap
08:24:46 PM_Jot_ you mean diablo?
08:24:53 PMajamison5579 Bioware did it with Masseffect but it was 3 Full complete games not 3 freaking chapters sold sperately
08:24:55 PM_Jot_ or mass effect for example?
08:25:10 PMajamison5579 No Starcraft 2 is sold as 3 seperate chapters
08:25:18 PMpyrosrock but when i first played starcraft i had massive lag and now u can run it through wine on a netbook!
08:26:20 PMajamison5579 I ment look at MassEffect they knew there would be 3 games before they released 1 but each game was a full independant story that linked to the others
08:26:40 PMajamison5579 Starcraft 2 is one chapter that makes you need to buy the next chapter and wait 3 years for the last one
08:27:59 PMpyrosrock mm i have been playing DS3 recently took me 2 months to got into it after DS2 but i like it now
08:29:39 PMpyrosrock and i dont mean i played it 4 2 months
08:30:17 PMajamison5579 DS 1 and 2 were nice not play 3 yet so can not judge that
08:30:29 PMpyrosrock just for like 20 min each time till i accepeted was
08:30:49 PMpyrosrock it is good id recomend it but it is a bit difrent
08:31:46 PMajamison5579 that was like Dragon age 2 everyone hated it thought it was horribly done and I loved it only complaint was that they resused maps way to often
08:31:51 PMpyrosrock like u can only chose 1 of 4 char and only do what thet char is not whatever skills u want but other wise is good
08:34:17 PMajamison5579 ah sound interesting
08:39:21 PMTheChrista slow chatroom tonight folks
08:39:31 PMGarbee TheChrista, You still hanging around?
08:39:35 PMTheChrista someone tell me something that would shock and amaze me
08:39:38 PMGarbee Or is this Robbie in desguise?
08:39:52 PMGarbee TheChrista, You look like a troll.
08:40:00 PMTheChrista I most certainly am. I haven't seen Robbie or you fine folks for 2 months
08:40:05 PM_Jot_ it must be Robbie doing the shownotes, with a wig on, because who else would stay up this long
08:40:16 PMTheChrista I have to get my fix before I leave for another 2 months
08:40:29 PMTheChrista haha, a troll!? How aweful. I am not sure how to remedy this
08:40:45 PMGarbee TheChrista, You said shock... I left out the amaze part.
08:41:30 PMTheChrista Haha, how rude
08:41:38 PMTheChrista If I didn't know any better I would be offended
08:41:52 PMGarbee So what are the general areas you have covered in classes for web dev?
08:43:52 PMTheChrista I find that there's been slow classes that I feel like I already know the things they're teaching, and I feel like there's some classes that are completely new content. So I haven't learned as much in quantity as I thought I would of
08:44:15 PMTheChrista We've been focusing on selectors and how to more accurately select elements without the use of id's and classes
08:44:19 PM_Jot_ That can mean it's good, because you are very smar,t or bad because te material is old
08:44:38 PMGuest_4673 hello everyone! this is my first time here. So how does this work?
08:44:40 PMTheChrista then we've learnt layout types like liquid layouts vs elastic vs static and a mixture of all
08:44:47 PMGarbee I am building the new site for my dads store... and needless to say I am nowhere near as good of a designer as you're Christa.
08:44:54 PM_Jot_ hi Guest, welcome to the chatroom, you're doing well so far
08:45:01 PMTheChrista Hey Guest_4673
08:45:06 PMGuest_4673 Cool!
08:45:09 PMGarbee Guest_4673, You talk, if we feel like what you say warrents a response, we respond.
08:45:18 PMGarbee Or, we chat, and if you want to jump in, you can.
08:45:23 PMTheChrista It takes practice Garbee, but I'm sure you're doing just fine
08:45:32 PMGuest_4673 Hey Jot! I recognize that name from the videos
08:45:47 PM_Jot_ Yes! It is me! Hello again :)
08:46:09 PM_Jot_ you also may recognize RobbieF, or Robbie Ferguson, and TheChrista, as Christa Wells
08:46:13 PM_Jot_ and of course many other names from the show
08:46:17 PMTheChrista You just missed the live show Guest_4673. It ended 45 minutes ago, but the guys in here chat about all sorts of interesting techy stuff after the show
08:46:32 PMGuest_4673 yep!
08:46:34 PMGarbee TheChrista, I can't wait to show you what I come up with... here is the current thing I built, but am replacing with something else as we speak, but I'm keeping the background image, it is nice... http://lemonstand.untamedworlds.com
08:46:45 PMGarbee And now the inner content decides to mess up rendering again.
08:46:49 PMGarbee Great...
08:46:53 PMGuest_4673 I did!? man...bummer
08:47:02 PMGarbee Oh well, that codebase is pretty much scrapped anyways.
08:47:29 PMGuest_4673 ok, I'll try again next week. You guys have a good evening!
08:48:11 PMGarbee Guest_4673, You can still hang out and chat.
08:48:26 PMTheChrista Absolutely, we love to have you here Guest_4673
08:48:47 PMGarbee Christa, You don't come see us during the week! Ok, once or twice I have seen you pop in.
08:48:47 PMGuest_4673 ok, cool
08:49:01 PMTheChrista Garbee, it's not looking too bad. I like the wood look background you have in there
08:49:14 PMGarbee It gets lonely in here... I generally only have Robbie to talk to all day, and that gets boring, and he has work to do.
08:49:34 PMGuest_4673 I noticed that you guys were talking about design. What kind of designing?
08:49:41 PMGarbee Yea, and the menu is Jquery, so it is going to work well with touchscreens.
08:50:05 PM_Jot_ they're talking about webdesign, Guest_4673
08:50:08 PMGarbee Just the fact that I am mediocre compared to the godess of design designated " TheChrista ".
08:50:18 PMpyrosrock Garbee i try to bee here when im awake which is when ur assleep
08:50:18 PMGuest_4673 Boring!? how could it get boring? Seems that you guys are always having a good time!
08:50:38 PMTheChrista Garbee is designing and coding a website right now
08:50:43 PMGarbee Guest_4673, When you are here almost every day, all week... Things get boring.
08:50:53 PMTheChrista I'm a graphic designer, so I design everything from logos to billboards to websites
08:51:13 PMGuest_4673 sounds cool christa
08:51:16 PM_Jot_ not that people don't appreciate each other, just that it isn't busy all the time
08:51:31 PMGarbee I went with the wood background to stand-out a bit. Making things feel just more "normal" than some random color as the background, or some odd pattern.
08:51:32 PMTheChrista Haha, I've have many years of experience and practice Garbee
08:51:36 PMGuest_4673 where are you from Jot?
08:51:36 PMTheChrista It comes with time
08:51:47 PMGuest_4673 yes, practice makes perfect
08:51:49 PM_Jot_ I'm from planet Calypso, but I live in The Netherlands
08:52:06 PMGarbee TheChrista, Plus I fail at GIMP... Really, I spent 2 hours trying to figure out how to draw an ellipse, then I randomly found it while trying to do somethign else.
08:52:07 PMGuest_4673 funny Jot. I'm from Texas.
08:52:22 PMGarbee Although, I learned today that Powerpoint and Publisher make 2 amazing wireframing tools.
08:52:29 PM_Jot_ there's other people from Texas here too sometimes, so you're not the only one :)
08:52:37 PMTheChrista haha, I'm sure I'd be the same Garbee....I'm a Photoshop pro, and a Gimp failure
08:52:43 PMGarbee I'm in Virginia.
08:53:01 PMGuest_4673 hi Garbee!
08:53:02 PMGarbee TheChrista, I mainly hate this 3 window layout, it is so confusing to me.
08:53:07 PMpyrosrock im a GIMP falure and a photoshop one 2!
08:53:48 PMGuest_4673 How can you be a pro at Photoshop and fail at Gimp? Isn't Gimp easier?
08:53:55 PMGarbee Just in case anyone is ever making an Ecommerce store and doesn't want to code the backend themselves... http://www.lemonstand.com = Amazing! $300 USD though, but worth every penny.
08:54:07 PMGarbee Guest_4673, Depends on how you learned things.
08:54:16 PMTheChrista I've been using Photoshop for so long that I know all the tools and where they are and I'm used to the set up
08:54:41 PMGarbee I for one, am learning GIMP, since it is free and just as powerful as Photoshop, but Christa was taught on it and has used it so long, she gets Photoshop better than GIMP.
08:54:41 PMGuest_4673 TheChrista, yes, I guess that would make sense
08:54:46 PMTheChrista the little changes with GIMP make my job a lot more difficult, not because it's any less of a program than Photoshop, but because it's not routine for me
08:54:47 PMajamison5579 u did that site Garbee
08:54:51 PMGarbee Free vs Paid != anything to do with ease of use.
08:55:25 PMpyrosrock TheChrista but how can that bee cause i got 2 know CS3 then everything went haywire with 4 and 5
08:55:28 PMGarbee ajamison5579, Yes, that lemonstand sub-domain is 100% me currently. But I am porting a portion of that code into a framework Lemonstand provides, which ends up doing a ton of other things I need and makes it easy for import.
08:56:04 PMTheChrista It's the same as the evolution of anything. Yes there were changes, but to me they made sense. They were changes that the design industry had been asking for and were then incorporated into the software
08:56:08 PMGarbee I went haywire with Office 2003 to Office 2007, but after I learned the Ribbon I can never go back.
08:56:15 PMTheChrista So it took very little time to get used to the changes
08:56:25 PMajamison5579 Garbee makes me a bit leary about digging up old andyjamison.com archives from my days in HTML class
08:56:31 PMajamison5579 would blow them out of the water
08:56:33 PMajamison5579 lol
08:57:01 PMGarbee ajamison5579, I have the power of modern FF web dev tools to help me out.
08:57:07 PMGarbee They have saved me TONS of time tracking things down.
08:57:22 PMGarbee FF has made me happy for life with their toolset, and extensibility.
08:57:43 PMGarbee http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=292a2f6 = My current FF display.
08:57:47 PMGuest_4673 Garbee, sounds like everything would get expensive trying to keep up with all the software.
08:57:55 PMajamison5579 I can not use Firefox for windows anymore it just has to many times where it crawls for no reason when the same pages load fine the day before or god forbit in IE
08:58:01 PMpyrosrock dude i have a copy of photoshop before CS it is the best so easy to use just like flash7 easier to use than CS3
08:58:03 PMGarbee Guest_4673, Expensive for what?
08:58:29 PMGuest_4673 photoshop and office software
08:58:32 PMGarbee ajamison5579, Have you tried 10? 8 fixed a ton of little bugs like that, 9 I think is where the memory leak finally got plugged.
08:58:49 PMGarbee I have a technet subscription, so Office is basically free for me to use.
08:58:55 PMGarbee Photoshop, I don't purchase nor pirate.
08:59:04 PMGuest_4673 garbee, understood
08:59:08 PMajamison5579 IE is sadly my main browser now
08:59:23 PMGarbee It is like Lemonstand with me, I will pay $300 for it to make my life tons easier since I know and love the framework, but someone like Robbie may not since he can do it himself for free.
08:59:30 PMpyrosrock ugh IE is so virus prone!
08:59:42 PMajamison5579 FF just crawls to many times and Chrome so sucks regardless of what people say
08:59:47 PMTheChrista I don't buy every new version of CS, I wait a couple years until it becomes difficult to send files to printers or clients because of the old version, and then I'll upgrade
08:59:54 PMGarbee pyrosrock, IE on Win 7 is actually the safest browser according to some security experts.
08:59:55 PMGuest_4673 $300.00 does sound fair if it saves you alot of headache
09:00:07 PMajamison5579 pyroscrock only if one does not know how to weild it properly Luckily I do
09:00:17 PMGarbee Guest_4673, and it is CHEAP compared to other solutions, and you get updates for life.
09:00:21 PMGarbee Plus self-hosting.
09:00:32 PMGarbee and the community is great, along with the documentation.
09:00:33 PMajamison5579 I used to be a hardcore FF suporter
09:00:46 PMajamison5579 now at least on WIndows its to buggy
09:01:05 PMGarbee I'm just so happy with Lemonstand personally. I was going to run it as a sub-domain for the store only, but after using it decided to make it into the entire CMS for the site.
09:01:06 PMGuest_4673 garbee, nice!
09:01:20 PMpyrosrock im using FF 11 and no problems other than flash
09:01:25 PMGarbee That also will let me kill Drupal 7.x which is becoming cumbersom at times.
09:01:51 PMGarbee ajamison5579, I have seen no bugs personally on the stable FF's in Windows.
09:01:59 PMajamison5579 pyrosrock you do not get periodic times where it slows to a crawl when loading a page for no reason
09:02:12 PMGarbee My only gripe is needing to upgrade to 11 to get the 3d inspector.
09:02:15 PMajamison5579 Garbee ok then maybe its just me
09:02:36 PMajamison5579 I also hate that a new version is relased now every week and half my extentions stop working
09:02:37 PMGarbee It could actually be bugs. I tend to never hit them, even when others complain and complain.
09:02:44 PMGarbee Not anymore ajamison.
09:02:53 PMpyrosrock ajamison5579 nope all fast 4 me though my com may power through any issues
09:03:19 PMGarbee The only reason they are not compatible now is like with FF11, where they are changing API calls in the SDK ( in the latest they are removing a call ), so everything is marked as unsupported until they get updated.
09:03:29 PMGuest_4673 Well Everyone it was nice chatting with you all for a bit even though I did not really say much. I've got to go but I'll try to be on time next week.
09:03:29 PMajamison5579 Pyrosrock thats the thing its not a computer issue its a connection latency issue between the firefox renderer and the server serving the code
09:03:36 PMGarbee But if no SDK/API changes are made, then all addons are now automatically marked as good for the next FF release.
09:03:46 PMTheChrista Well folks. It is time for me to wander home and spend some time with my fuzzy puppies and kitties
09:03:47 PMGarbee See ya Guest_4673
09:04:03 PMGarbee TheChrista, I still havn't seen images of these puppies, so they are not real to me.
09:04:23 PMajamison5579 I may try FF10 but do a fresh install like uninstall what I have and wipe all registry mentions to it
09:04:25 PMTheChrista Haha, I will send pictures of them in as a viewer question for the next time I'm on
09:04:27 PMajamison5579 then re-install
09:04:35 PMpyrosrock ajamison5579 well i have slow internet but it is no slower ever in FF to anything else
09:04:45 PMTheChrista and then I'll "conveniently" read my own viewer question and you will all be forced to marvel in their cuteness
09:04:51 PMGarbee ajamison5579, Revo uninstaller, such a great tool.
09:05:06 PMpyrosrock ajamison5579 go straight to FF11
09:05:09 PMGarbee TheChrista, You better! I'm sick of not seeing them.
09:05:24 PMajamison5579 pyrosrock see that was me 2 months ago then FF started acting goofy
09:06:05 PMajamison5579 ehh Beta how stable are FF betas
09:06:09 PMGarbee ajamison, stick with the ESR then, they will be stable since they are enterprise releases. Supported for a year or so.
09:06:18 PMGarbee FF Beta's are actually pretty stable.
09:06:25 PMTheChrista Me too Garbee...I would have many more animals if I could afford to take care of them all
09:06:27 PMpyrosrock ajamison5579 what was u?
09:06:28 PMGarbee It is the nightly you are mainly worried about.
09:06:41 PMGarbee I don't want more than 3 dogs in my house.
09:06:49 PMTheChrista Anyways folks....it was really great to chat with ya'll again! I will see you in approximately 2 months
09:06:50 PMajamison5579 not having FF run any slower then anything else Pyrosrock
09:06:58 PMGarbee We do have a 4th dog, but she stays at my grandpa's house. She is about 14 years old now.
09:07:04 PMTheChrista Don't get into too much trouble while I'm gone, but make sure to give Robbie a hard time for me!
09:07:14 PMTheChrista bye bye
09:07:17 PMajamison5579 Nooooooooooooo You must check in once a week we demand it
09:07:21 PMajamison5579 dang
09:07:39 PMGarbee I'm going to sleep now so tomorrow come sooner.
09:07:47 PMGarbee I can't wait for Win 8 Consumer Preview.
09:07:50 PMajamison5579 Sleep is for the week
09:07:55 PMajamison5579 weak
09:07:59 PMG_Dog1985_ same here Garbee
09:08:25 PMGarbee I don't think anyone in this room is looking forward to it as much as I am.
09:08:56 PMajamison5579 Garbee Garbee Garbee Windows 8 will ethier be the masterpeace they claim or an epic fail
09:08:59 PMG_Dog1985_ window 8 need toch sreen
09:09:11 PMajamison5579 give the one on one off history of Windows I am guessing the latter
09:09:16 PMGarbee ajamison5579, It will take time to sink in. Just like Win 95.
09:09:31 PMG_Dog1985_ haha
09:09:34 PMG_Dog1985_ wow
09:09:45 PMpyrosrock haha 95 was EPIC! but still crap
09:09:46 PMG_Dog1985_ snap
09:09:52 PMGarbee I am getting into it since I am excited about what this finally means for me, one interface across all my devices that all share the same apps.
09:10:01 PMajamison5579 i was refering more to stability and bug free ness they had win 95, fail win98 SE better ME fail
09:10:05 PMajamison5579 XP better
09:10:10 PMajamison5579 Vista Fail
09:10:13 PMajamison5579 WIn 7 better
09:10:30 PMajamison5579 so based on that WIn 8 fail?
09:10:36 PMajamison5579 Win 9 Better?
09:10:40 PMGarbee I'm not getting into Vista... People don't really understand what happened there too well I tend to find.
09:10:41 PMpyrosrock mm i think so
09:10:42 PMG_Dog1985_ haha
09:11:06 PMGarbee Win 9 will be better for Metro in Enterprise since that is when they *should* be looking towards app control in Metro, right now there is none through group policy.
09:11:26 PMajamison5579 Vista Chris Pirrilo (just to name one person) listed at least 10 things that he though wrong with Vista in Beta
09:11:28 PMGarbee Still, I need to see what 9 bring beyond 8.
09:11:30 PMajamison5579 they were right
09:11:37 PMajamison5579 and win 7 fixed them
09:12:00 PMajamison5579 I liked Vista but Win 7 is so much better performance wise
09:12:00 PMpyrosrock win 7 was what vista was prommised to be!
09:12:29 PMajamison5579 right hence the one on one off theory
09:12:48 PMGarbee Yea, 7 is better since they scrapped so much uneeded code and really optimized it, but Vista failed in tons due to crappy driver support from third parties *ahem* nvidia *ahem* not writing their drivers properly because they are lazy bums.
09:13:12 PMajamison5579 lol no arguement there garbee
09:13:14 PMGarbee All driver writers at Nvidia for windows when Vista launched should have been fired.
09:13:27 PMGarbee There performance was 100% unacceptable.
09:13:36 PMajamison5579 Much like ATI now
09:13:38 PMajamison5579 lol
09:13:39 PMpyrosrock hmm thats what nvidia shuld do refuse to support win 8 and make the world a better place
09:14:10 PMajamison5579 pyrosrock lol keep dreaming about 80% of their revenue comes from Windows
09:14:11 PMGarbee I actually talked with Geek Squad guys the other week, they told me straight up, 95% of their issues at the local branch (which is a ton of issues) were drivers. The other 5% was 3% applications not being updated and 2% actually Vista
09:14:13 PMGarbee !
09:14:39 PMpyrosrock btw unless u are gaming ATI cards are 100X better!
09:14:50 PMGarbee Win 8 needs support, Metro is going to ease tech support so much after the initial launch and people go " wtf?! ".
09:15:21 PMGarbee Even gaming, you need to check benchmarks and see what the case is for each card, for some games, ATI is better, other types, Nvidia.
09:15:22 PMajamison5579 How is it going to easy tech support if anything tech support will get more dumb questions
09:15:40 PMGarbee and Nvidia is great in any situation I have seen, same with ATI. They each perform well.
09:15:58 PMajamison5579 "Whats this goofy interface i am looking at where are my windows
09:16:14 PMGarbee ajamison, after a while, people won't really use the desktop, so most issues will go away since the experience is much more universal.
09:16:28 PMajamison5579 techsupport: Sir that is Metro Customer: WHat the Beep is metro i asked for windows
09:16:34 PMpyrosrock no nvidia is shit CUDA SUCKS! is 100X worce than the ATI one
09:16:34 PMGarbee That is the goal, make the interfaces get out of the way, put content up front.
09:17:09 PMajamison5579 Garbe I doubt it
09:17:17 PMajamison5579 PC gaming is at a rise
09:17:19 PMGarbee ajamison, that is the point of view of those of us that really use Windows for multi-tasking. The *average* person, will do better within Metro.
09:17:38 PMajamison5579 can not use PC games on a tablet
09:17:40 PMGarbee The Metro framework for applications using WinRT is so amazing on top of that.
09:18:00 PMpyrosrock Garbee i think if they change the metro start thing go down not sideways i think good but my mouse scroll down not sideways!
09:18:08 PMajamison5579 And I prefer a desktop really whe gaming or working
09:18:21 PMGarbee pyrosrock, You can change the orientation of your monitor if you like.
09:18:33 PMGarbee ajamison, and you can get that if you prefer.
09:18:41 PMGarbee ^^ Not on ARM tablets though.
09:18:46 PMajamison5579 lol
09:18:52 PMGarbee But ARM tablets are a special use-case anyways.
09:18:58 PMajamison5579 I use Android for tablets anyway
09:19:14 PMajamison5579 much more used to that
09:19:24 PMGarbee I am not buying a Tablet until I can get Win 8 on one, that way all my apps work across all my devices, period.
09:19:31 PMpyrosrock not reli cause a ARM netbook is much better but still wants a desktop IMHO
09:19:55 PMGarbee Here is the problem with ARM and the legacy desktop...
09:20:13 PMpyrosrock i know needs difrent cade
09:20:21 PMpyrosrock code*
09:21:26 PMGarbee Applications need to be completely recompiled from source for ARM. Why would MS allow people to recode? Push the Metro where you don't worry about enviornment and just run on WinRT, then let WinRT handle the low-level management/processing. By opening the legacy desktop on ARM tablets, they invite MORE tech support since we would need to explain *why* their apps don't work in an ARM desktop. Simplest way to help tech sup
09:21:26 PMGarbee port people, don't let it happen.
09:21:31 PMGarbee MS is making the proper call.
09:21:35 PMajamison5579 ok must get my SWTOR fix
09:21:37 PMGarbee ^^ For once.
09:21:46 PMGarbee ajamison, Stop rubbing it in.
09:21:52 PMajamison5579 lol
09:22:11 PMpyrosrock SWTOR?
09:22:14 PMajamison5579 later people got a guild to run and alts to level
09:22:14 PMGarbee Yea.
09:22:21 PMajamison5579 Starwars the old republic
09:22:25 PMpyrosrock oh
09:22:30 PMGarbee I want it, but don't want to pay $15 per month.
09:22:44 PMGarbee I *want* the story for the most part, I LOVE the TOR story.
09:22:49 PMpyrosrock well i got to go get killed in CSS
09:22:50 PMajamison5579 neithor do I thank god for generous Xmas gifts lol
09:23:01 PMpyrosrock and mabie shoot somone
09:23:23 PMGarbee Well, i'm off to bed in await of tomorrow. If you don't see me tomorrow, it means I'm in heaven.
09:23:47 PMpyrosrock um... unlikly
09:24:41 PMpyrosrock RobbieF what time is it there?
09:24:47 PMRobbieF 9:24pm

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