Chat Logs for Episode 241 — #Category5 on /


With 132 Posts:Garbee
With 92 Posts:GoodGuy
With 85 Posts:invinciblemutant
With 62 Posts:agamotto
With 43 Posts:pyrosrock

Chat Logs:

06:58:31 PM_Jot__ that's nothing! there's that agrbee-log thing that always watches me, and I suspect that ajamision one also does!
06:58:32 PMGadwil Dennis_Kelley, He uses Zorin on the demo system.
06:59:04 PMGadwil And for making a linux physical disk into a virtual one, you can just dd into an img, then somehow convert that into a vhd.
06:59:15 PMGadwil Just don't have proprietary drivers installed for hardware (like GPU's.)
06:59:44 PMGadwil _Jot__, My log is only for the show incase something happens to Robbie's setup. Kinda like a backup system for getting good logs.
07:00:06 PM_Jot__ yeah, that's wht you say... but do you know what it does when I'm not looking? I thought so!
07:01:02 PMagamotto Howdy, all
07:01:07 PM_Jot_ hey agamotto
07:01:10 PM19WAA0EUC Why did my name just change
07:01:11 PMG_Dog1985_ hi agamotto
07:01:14 PMErika1 hey aganotto
07:01:29 PMpyrosrockthiswor hmm my irc client is doing funny things
07:01:29 PMT0B33 Whats happening ?
07:01:35 PMagamotto Is the show on, or is suffering from something
07:01:38 PMT0B33 Everyone got booted out or something
07:01:50 PMpyrosrock ah no its fixed
07:01:52 PMT0B33 Ah right :(
07:02:03 PMT0B33 Ah thats good :)
07:02:17 PMOldGuyJim Watching from backstage, appears that RobbieF is working a technical issue with the broadcast...He is rebooting his windows computer right now.
07:02:18 PMGarbee Looks like technical difficulties people.
07:02:31 PMpyrosrock i think my conection with freenode was down but all good now
07:02:42 PMmaxwell6307 same here
07:02:43 PMT0B33 Maybe the reason we did not get logged out was because we are using things like pidgin to log in to IRC? then again if its a server issue it would have an impact on us all
07:02:48 PMagamotto ahhh, ok. I wasn't sure if my new version of mythbuntu might be screwing something up
07:02:53 PMGarbee One of Freenode's servers or connections seems to be having issues.
07:03:06 PMpyrosrock no even my web chat woodent conect
07:03:15 PMGarbee T0B33, Client has nothing to do with it.
07:03:16 PMpyrosrock yeah
07:03:19 PM_Jot_ Erika1, care to provide all the expletives Robbie is uttering while trying to make things work? :)
07:03:23 PMGarbee It is the server you are connected to.
07:03:30 PMagamotto Hmmm, is someone shaking Canada's internet pipes today? giggle
07:03:45 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
07:03:45 PMT0B33 But nothing has happened to me i'm still here
07:03:51 PMDennis_Kelley is that the 220 line robbie had in his hand?
07:03:56 PMErika1 well robbie is trying to fix the cameras, they are not conecting...
07:04:13 PMagamotto That sure doesn't sound like fun
07:04:19 PMGarbee T0B33, Yea, it depends on what node (server) you are connected to.
07:04:19 PM_Jot_ well, I unplugged my USB, maybe it'll help free up more space
07:04:20 PMErika1 but is is working quick to fix them
07:04:29 PMErika1 he*
07:04:53 PMG_Dog1985_ haha Guest57835
07:04:56 PMG_Dog1985_ grr
07:04:58 PMT0B33 Skynet is taking over the Cat5 studio!!!
07:05:05 PMG_Dog1985_ Garbee: *
07:05:08 PMDennis_Kelley Robbie should make it easier to get around the desk!
07:05:16 PMGarbee So many issues. Servers, then cameras, what is next?
07:05:17 PMErika1 ha i think so to
07:05:23 PMmathman47 Probably a co-host played with something she shouldn't have.
07:05:31 PMpyrosrock Erika1 well seems like our troubles with irc are the least of our worries
07:05:31 PMchrisreich People of Earth, Greetings.
07:05:40 PMDennis_Kelley Its aways the co-hosts fault!
07:05:42 PMinvinciblemutant a bit late today ?
07:05:47 PMsmittysmit Then I'm off to make a sandwich
07:05:51 PMOldGuyJim Just want to let RobbieF know that I appreciate all the work he is putting into this broadcast...It is hard enough without technical difficulties.
07:05:56 PMagamotto I am just happy that I have been getting so many Tuesdays off
07:06:10 PMDennis_Kelley inviciblemutant you have not missed a thing!
07:06:18 PMGuest57835 I Think its Erikas fault
07:06:24 PMinvinciblemutant what is wrong
07:06:26 PMagamotto invinciblemutant- something is giving Robbie fits with the cameras... no show yet
07:06:27 PMErika1 no im good !
07:06:48 PMErika1 it's the camera's i understand to pick on me
07:06:49 PMchrisreich Erika1 you're great!
07:06:57 PMT0B33 Erika1 how are you? :)
07:06:58 PM_Jot_ maybe Robbie needs more makeup, the cameras shut down because of all the glare
07:07:02 PMOldGuyJim It is no ones fault...technical problems happen...I know.
07:07:20 PMchrisreich I blame Windows
07:07:24 PMmathman47 Hmm. Backstage Pass is working. Why not switch cams?
07:07:26 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
07:07:33 PMGarbee OldGuyJim, We can just blame Windows. That is what will end up happening anyways.
07:07:33 PMDennis_Kelley chrisreich true that!
07:07:37 PMGuest57835 not enough makeup around to make robbie look good
07:07:46 PMagamotto I know! it is the fault of those elite North Korean crackers!
07:07:53 PMGarbee Now I need to mark show start for the logs.
07:08:04 PMOldGuyJim I accept that.
07:08:08 PMchrisreich No one looks at RobbieF when he has pretty Canadians as co-hosts.
07:08:11 PMDennis_Kelley Guest57835 - that was not very nice! We love Robbie!
07:08:11 PMErika1 im great ! working on a mockumentary and i got my band to finish 5 songs so i dont have to kick their butts any more
07:08:16 PMagamotto mathman47- no sound, for one thing
07:08:21 PMGarbee and back he goes.
07:08:29 PMagamotto Erika1- sounds like fun
07:08:47 PMinvinciblemutant i thought it is time to shift the clock again
07:08:49 PMGuest57835 some one call the IT dept
07:08:52 PMT0B33 Does anyone have the link for BSP?
07:08:56 PMagamotto BRB, going to shift some laundry
07:08:57 PMdervock i blame on power sugers we had it blow up a pogo plug 2 drives not good week for me
07:08:59 PMDennis_Kelley so much for automation
07:09:02 PMinvinciblemutant i missed shows due to clock shifts
07:09:09 PMGarbee http://live.cat5.tb/bsp.htm
07:09:10 PMpyrosrock
07:09:16 PMT0B33 Thanks you two :)
07:09:27 PMGarbee Bookmark it, or remember it.
07:09:31 PMDennis_Kelley that is why robots will not rule the earth!
07:09:32 PMmaxwell6307 anyone tried ubuntu 12.04 LTS yet ?
07:09:39 PMGarbee maxwell6307, Yes. It is good.
07:09:39 PMpyrosrock yes
07:09:43 PMchrisreich I have
07:09:47 PMmaxwell6307 cool
07:09:58 PMmaxwell6307 i'm a mint guy myself
07:10:01 PMGarbee *If* the show will start, Robbie will be showing 12.04 off tonight.
07:10:03 PMchrisreich Unity is not *horrible*
07:10:05 PMpyrosrock yeah is good
07:10:10 PMGarbee chrisreich, Not horrible now...
07:10:12 PM_Jot_ Erika1, you still have to kick their butts to get them to perform them on Category5, like Eric did earlier
07:10:17 PMOldGuyJim I see a head peeking over Robbie's monitor.
07:10:19 PMmathman47 Anyone tried Windows 8 yet? Haha.
07:10:20 PMGarbee Before 12.04 it was atrocious.
07:10:23 PMGarbee mathman47, Yes.
07:10:26 PMGarbee It is great.
07:10:39 PMagamotto maxwell6307- Not I, but MythTv v 25 is working nicely for me so far
07:10:44 PMErika1 I will for sure
07:10:46 PMmaxwell6307 i ve seen it but not tried it
07:10:47 PMpyrosrock 12.04>mint12 more stable
07:10:55 PMGoodGuy I didnt care for it all that much Garbee
07:11:03 PMhobbet1 robbie is probably having probs because he is promoting linux in a windows studio environment lol
07:11:04 PMOldGuyJim Windows 8....Microsoft's attempt at Unity.
07:11:22 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
07:11:23 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy - when did you pop in? Great to see ya!
07:11:28 PMGarbee OldGuyJim, So far from the truth.
07:11:31 PMGoodGuy Windows 8 ... Microsoft phone on your desktop
07:11:48 PMGoodGuy a few mins ago... Hi Dennis_Kelley
07:11:48 PMmathman47 I know what Robbie's problem is: He's not wearing a sweater today.
07:11:51 PMGarbee Unity is about making old apps work fullscreen as well as apps built for fullscreen.
07:11:55 PMagamotto Hmm, ok... that was something
07:11:57 PMDennis_Kelley I have an ad on the main feed!
07:11:59 PMpyrosrock metro is just a plotform that they can port to all devises
07:12:00 PMGarbee Metro doesn't care, you dev a whole new app.
07:12:00 PMGuest_4075 has the show started?
07:12:04 PMOldGuyJim Seems like a hardware problem.
07:12:13 PMmaxwell6307 hes back
07:12:14 PMGarbee pyrosrock, No, WinRT is the platform.
07:12:21 PMGarbee Metro is the interface to the platform.
07:12:28 PMmaxwell6307 sorta
07:12:31 PMagamotto One of them, at any rate
07:12:33 PMpyrosrock yeah yeah
07:12:34 PM_Jot_ congratulations on your ad, Dennis_Kelley
07:12:47 PMGarbee Metro can change if it wants, or they can make a whole new interface. WinRT is the engine, which can be kept and allow the same apps to run under a new UI.
07:12:59 PMDennis_Kelley Guest_4075 no there are technical issues
07:13:09 PM_Jot_ starting now!
07:13:11 PMDennis_Kelley there it is!
07:13:14 PMmathman47 Intro theme
07:13:16 PMpyrosrock is there sound?
07:13:21 PMagamotto \o/
07:13:24 PMDennis_Kelley great Job RobbieF
07:13:25 PM_Jot_ yes, there is sound, video, and everything
07:13:27 PMT0B33 oh yeah to infinity and beyond!!!!!!! :D
07:13:27 PMGarbee show start.
07:13:30 PMOldGuyJim I wonder if tonight's topic is what to do when you have a tech problem.
07:13:36 PMYazid1965_ today it starts at 7ish :)
07:13:45 PMagamotto OldGuyJim- that would be a good lead-in
07:13:48 PMGarbee Ignore the technical issues.
07:13:52 PMDennis_Kelley it is still on time somewehere!
07:14:03 PMGuest57835 oh the show started
07:14:30 PMpyrosrock ok had to re open the feed
07:14:36 PMpyrosrock all good now
07:14:48 PMinvinciblemutant the backgroudn music still on?
07:14:50 PM_Jot_ Erika1, mural? Pictures or it didn't happen
07:15:02 PMGarbee Our school had horrible Murals and other things done by students like that.
07:15:33 PMGoodGuy B-Rad is the hacker who does the WDLXTV firmware
07:15:36 PMGarbee Robbie, already marked.
07:15:41 PMagamotto Thankfully, I have been spared the suburbs experience in my life
07:15:58 PMG_Dog1985_ i
07:15:58 PMYazid1965_ Hi
07:15:59 PMpyrosrock hi
07:16:02 PM_Jot_ hello!
07:16:03 PMG_Dog1985_ hi
07:16:04 PMDennis_Kelley Hi in the chat room!
07:16:07 PMtwitterperson1 hi
07:16:07 PMmaxwell6307 hey
07:16:09 PMEightMilesFromTJ hi
07:16:12 PMT0B33 Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :D
07:16:17 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
07:16:21 PM_Jot_ good news everyone! Jot didn't participate and Jot doesn't win!
07:16:27 PMinvinciblemutant hi
07:16:28 PMpyrosrock good work chat room
07:16:29 PMagamotto heheheheh
07:16:30 PMmaxwell6307 ha ha dennis
07:16:33 PMOldGuyJim Question...what was the cause of the problem?
07:16:36 PMGarbee Jot it would be odd if you did win then.
07:16:38 PMG_Dog1985_ lol _Jot_
07:17:13 PMGarbee archive time.
07:17:28 PMGarbee
07:17:47 PMGarbee -- example for episode 104
07:17:50 PMDennis_Kelley is Back Stage pass working for anyone
07:17:50 PMagamotto
07:17:55 PMinvinciblemutant any relation to google play?
07:17:57 PM_Jot_ BSP is wokring fine
07:17:58 PMinvinciblemutant lol
07:18:00 PMVE3NSO Hello Roy I see you are on !
07:18:00 PMGarbee Dennis_Kelley, Working for me.
07:18:14 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, They stole the name from Cat5.
07:18:47 PMGoodGuy Try saying it with less excitement lol
07:19:04 PMagamotto RobbieF- Why does it hurt when I lift heavy things?
07:19:04 PMmathman47 Hi Dad
07:19:11 PMGoodGuy hernia?
07:19:17 PMGuest57835 helloi
07:19:21 PMsmittysmit Back all with my sammich. Did I miss much?
07:19:34 PM_Jot_ agamotto, you're not supposed to bang your head against things you're trying to lift
07:19:40 PMT0B33 Good question that agamotto
07:19:48 PMGoodGuy It is pretty good here chrisreich .. using Ustream
07:19:51 PMScottieBeamBeUp need a reck for a remote desktop server on linux mint?
07:19:55 PMpyrosrock chrisreich its all good try re-opening the feed
07:20:00 PMGarbee RobbieF, How much does you head hurt right now?
07:20:04 PMOldGuyJim What caused the problem?
07:20:14 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, how do you get your head on straight? Do you have threading, or do you use another method?
07:20:14 PMinvinciblemutant question to the show: robbie used to say (perhaps many times), empathy is not good compare with pidgin, why?
07:20:18 PMagamotto GoodGuy- No, thankfully. I was just teasing. I am coming off from six days in a row at work. I think I have personally shifted at least half of the store's inventory of tile in the last few days.
07:20:38 PMmathman47 Does anyone have a Raspberry Pie yet?
07:20:41 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF - can we do a feature on creating a Virtual Hard drive from a physical one?
07:20:41 PMGoodGuy whoa.. sounds tiresome
07:21:00 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, It does not support most IRC commands. Which makes it non-standard compliant, which is not good.
07:21:15 PMGoodGuy Look up loop mounting ISO files Dennis_Kelley
07:21:34 PMagamotto GoodGuy- it was. Reset of the displays, and the 'crew' that were to come in and do the labor never showed up.
07:21:39 PMVE3NSO Hello Scorpio55....ve3nso
07:21:43 PM_Jot_ Dennis_Kelley, that sounds like a great question to email to [email protected]
07:21:45 PMinvinciblemutant is it the only reason garbee
07:21:50 PMGarbee GoodGuy, What does mountin an ISO have to do with porting a physical drive to virtual?
07:22:05 PMagamotto GoodGuy- I can honestly say that just about everything on my body is firmer now...
07:22:07 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Yea, pretty much.
07:22:09 PMT0B33 RobbieF i have a question .. My hard drive does a strange clicking noise on occasion yet smart monitor tools say its healthy lol Only does it when i power my machine off and when i was listening to paramore it started stopping and the clicking noise came back then when it ended my music carried on .. Bad sectors?
07:22:21 PMGarbee IRC rules, if you are not compliant, we shouldn't use your software.
07:22:26 PMmaxwell6307 robbie should do his own distro
07:22:27 PMinvinciblemutant Robbie: is there any good tool on linux to recover ext4 partition?
07:22:39 PMGoodGuy You can create an iso and then loop mount the iso to create a virtual drive
07:23:00 PM_Jot_ T0B33, could be, it automaticly moves sectors, it should indicate in the raw smart data how many sectors are re-allocated
07:23:01 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Recover in what way?
07:23:03 PMagamotto T0B33- you need to replace it... or at least back it up VERY frequently, if you can't afford a replacement currently.
07:23:19 PMYazid1965_ I would to see that for Debian
07:23:20 PMGarbee GoodGuy, He wants to convert a physical drive (HDD) to a virtual (VHD) for Virtualbox.
07:23:22 PMinvinciblemutant i have damaged a partition, and i have some some files not backup...
07:23:32 PMGoodGuy Try looking up testdisk... also I believe HAK5 did a show on that a couple months ago or so
07:23:35 PMinvinciblemutant i damaged with fsck.ext4
07:23:51 PM_Jot_ hi Erika1! Oops, I mean Lionel, nice to see you again
07:23:52 PMinvinciblemutant i won that prize...thanks
07:23:57 PMGarbee Oh, yea. I can be of no help there. Never need to recover from EXT4, sorry.
07:24:02 PMOldGuyJim I guess the question is will an upgrade to 12.04 from 11.04 break things if the interim 11.10 upgrade was not performed?
07:24:04 PMagamotto invinciblemutant- ouch
07:24:05 PMchrisreich could someone give me a good link to the video stream please?
07:24:10 PMGoodGuy I thought he wanted to convert a physical CD to an iso and mount it on a virtual drive
07:24:16 PMScorpio55 VE3NSO check your pm's
07:24:18 PMsmittysmit do we win a prize tonight from ECO batteries???
07:24:24 PMGarbee chrisreich,
07:24:45 PM_Jot_ smittysmit, you can if you participated in the competition that ran the past few weeks
07:24:56 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee, what do you mean by " Never need to recover from EXT4, sorry.???"
07:25:00 PMagamotto OldGuyJim- I don't know about that, but there is a bug that will break your system if you try moving from 10.04 to 12.04 directly, I have been told.
07:25:12 PMchrisreich I thought Erika was co-host. ?
07:25:14 PMGoodGuy If you are interested in Windows software.. Paragon has a program to move whole images to virtual environments
07:25:16 PMinvinciblemutant i havent been seen it in stores in the uk
07:25:18 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy - Garbee was right - convert Physical to virtual
07:25:18 PMsmittysmit jot I might have missed it
07:25:21 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, It means I never have to do it, so I don't have any experience and can't be of help. Sorry for not being able to help.
07:25:30 PMagamotto chrisreich-
07:25:42 PMpyrosrockthiswor grr my irc client has gone crappy once again
07:25:43 PM_Jot_ chrisreich, Erika just stepped away so Lionel can sit there
07:25:47 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy - I can do windows, thanks
07:26:00 PMGarbee I think dd would be involved somehow.
07:26:04 PMinvinciblemutant can i win again..if i win again this time...will you redraw ?
07:26:18 PMGoodGuy 'I think its called Virtualization Manager 12
07:26:20 PMinvinciblemutant garbee, dd is for disk copying right
07:26:23 PMchrisreich Thanks everybody - I've got video now. I'm very grateful for the help.
07:26:25 PMGarbee The main thing is making sure no drivers are installed on the system and making sure the proper things for the kernel are set to module mode.
07:26:38 PMDennis_Kelley i tried dd but could not figure how to make the actual virtual drive
07:26:39 PMGoodGuy New version just released b/c I got an upgrade offer for it
07:26:41 PMagamotto 'The answer to all of your questions is... 42'
07:26:42 PMinvinciblemutant wow
07:26:48 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Yea, but since it is conversion too (to be in proper format) you need to do something after dd to make it work properly.
07:26:53 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, I hope you didn't forget to exclude yourself there :)
07:27:02 PMGarbee dd > something > VHD format > VBxo.
07:27:04 PMinvinciblemutant perhaps robbie can give some hints here too
07:27:07 PMGarbee VBox*
07:27:18 PMinvinciblemutant fsck.ext4 messed up my partition
07:27:24 PMchrisreich love the music? Is that Robbie or Eric's band?
07:27:31 PMinvinciblemutant i havent seen myself..:(
07:27:41 PMGoodGuy I think TeraByte's Image products can do some of that, but not sure
07:27:42 PMGarbee I think Robbie would rather have it as an email and do it as a show feature. It might take some time to explain/show.
07:27:44 PMpyrosrockthiswor i saw me!
07:27:51 PMagamotto This is like some kind of movie preview
07:27:53 PMDennis_Kelley i would rather do click race
07:27:54 PMGoodGuy I own it but never tried using it for that
07:27:55 PMsumone Look at em go
07:28:08 PMGoodGuy I use it for backups only here
07:28:11 PMGarbee Quite the long draw.
07:28:11 PM_Jot_ these batteries are just too good, everybody wants them, so it's never going to end
07:28:40 PMsumone wow
07:28:41 PMDennis_Kelley Great Job!
07:28:48 PMinvinciblemutant congrats
07:28:51 PMT0B33 Congrats :)
07:28:52 PMsmittysmit Congrats Pascal
07:28:52 PMsumone woops
07:28:53 PM_Jot_ congratulations Pascal, let us know if you're in the room (if you want)
07:28:54 PMchrisreich congratulations Pascal
07:28:59 PMpyrosrockthiswor wow that was a lot of ppl
07:29:11 PMchrisreich that was a lot of batteries!
07:29:26 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, are they sold in Europe yet?
07:29:32 PMchrisreich I standardized on AA's over 20 years ago.
07:29:35 PMYazid1965_ Congrats!
07:29:37 PMinvinciblemutant i can give testimonial to eco
07:29:48 PMagamotto _Jot_- they are working on it, yes
07:29:52 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy - I used Clonezilla to make the image
07:30:18 PM_Jot_ welcome back Erika1
07:30:30 PMchrisreich There is the *pretty* Canadian! (we like pretty Canadians)
07:30:37 PMinvinciblemutant i havent seen any here in the uk
07:30:46 PMagamotto chrisreich- there is only one?
07:30:49 PMGoodGuy CloneZilla looks good also and free is hard to beat
07:31:05 PMagamotto invinciblemutant- TESCO?
07:31:09 PMGuest57835 off to play hockey night
07:31:10 PMGarbee Sounds like Eric and him like to hang out.
07:31:14 PMchrisreich only one on the show at a time, agamotto, with rare exceptions.
07:31:18 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, we also need the batteries on Planet Calypso, because the Energetic Bunnies don't have any, and everybody really wonders what it'll do with batteries
07:31:19 PMDennis_Kelley I guess the key is to create the Virtual Drive from there!
07:31:22 PMagamotto chrisreich- chuckles
07:31:28 PMmaxwell6307 do it
07:31:32 PMinvinciblemutant i am using the 12.04
07:31:36 PMGarbee Dennis_Kelley, I think clonezilla is a dd GUI.
07:31:40 PMGoodGuy My wife changed and now she doesnt want to go back to Windows
07:31:55 PM_Jot_ GoodGuy, is that good, or bad?
07:32:02 PMGoodGuy Her Windows was freezing up, so that didnt help
07:32:03 PMagamotto Laid back?!!?!?! I insist on formal attire, and corporate sponsorships!!!!!
07:32:07 PMsumone Do bouth, Erika1
07:32:07 PMchrisreich Who needs Windows when Linux opens doors?
07:32:08 PMmaxwell6307 i like your c ouch
07:32:21 PMT0B33 Thats my question XD
07:32:22 PMGarbee bouth?
07:32:30 PMDennis_Kelley Garbee GoodGuy - I will do some research on making the Virtual Disk, Thanks!
07:32:30 PMGarbee chrisreich, You need Windows to keep the insects out.
07:32:30 PMGoodGuy Pretty good since it doesnt need as much babysitting as Windows did
07:32:39 PMGoodGuy welcome
07:32:40 PM_Jot_ a good sitting-arrangement like a couch is very important
07:32:50 PMT0B33 hahahahaha :D
07:32:53 PMGarbee Stuff it in a freezer.
07:33:02 PMT0B33 I was imagining that the other day the reader :(
07:33:05 PMchrisreich Garbee, I'll let others run Windows to capture the bugs... :-)
07:33:05 PM_Jot_ video froze for me for a few seconds
07:33:07 PMtwitterperson1 uh oh
07:33:19 PMagamotto Picture your oven starting to smell in the middle of the night, with the burners off...
07:33:28 PMGarbee chrisreich, I'm lost. What bugs are you referring to? Windows doesn't have near as many as Linux.
07:33:35 PMtwitterperson1 clicking I think it means that the controller is going out
07:33:36 PMpyrosrockthiswor my bros portable hd started doing that but he lost it before it finaly crashed
07:33:52 PMsumone back op
07:34:00 PMchrisreich Windows just keeps theirs secret, Garbee
07:34:05 PMT0B33 Everything is backed up :) :D
07:34:06 PMsumone back up
07:34:10 PMGarbee chrisreich, No, people would find them.
07:34:14 PMGoodGuy
07:34:16 PMGarbee Then complain publically about it.
07:34:20 PMOldGuyJim Backup
07:34:29 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, harddisks also can click when turning off, because of parking the heads, but with modern harddrives you hardly hear that anymore
07:34:30 PMchrisreich I've found dozens myself, Garbee.
07:34:31 PMGarbee Like an explorer bug that they nixed in 8 that has been around since Vista.
07:34:46 PMT0B33 Ah men :( Ah i would be lost without three days grace and that :(
07:34:47 PMGoodGuy there is a few videos using their product to create virtual machines from physical
07:34:59 PMGarbee chrisreich, Yes, and I can point to almost any bug management tool for software on Linux and it will have dozens minimum.
07:35:14 PMpyrosrockthiswor Desktop all the way!
07:35:15 PMT0B33 Thanks for answering my question Erika1 and RobbieF
07:35:19 PMT0B33 :D
07:35:39 PMchrisreich Garbee I didn't expect you to be a Windows apologist. Are you?
07:35:42 PMG_Dog1985_ ssd go idea
07:35:50 PMagamotto I suppose it could also be the tension spring on the spindle going out... but that is almost unheard of.
07:36:00 PMinvinciblemutant i have changed to ssd
07:36:10 PMinvinciblemutant just early this week
07:36:34 PMinvinciblemutant 12.04 now boots in 5 secs
07:36:40 PMT0B33 I allways have one XD
07:36:42 PMGarbee chrisreich, I can't really explain it right now.
07:36:44 PMYazid1965_ lol
07:36:54 PMsumone nice
07:37:00 PMGoodGuy blonde hair? :--)
07:37:02 PMinvinciblemutant poweroff in less than 5 secs
07:37:06 PMsumone umm
07:37:22 PMsumone LOL
07:37:29 PMOldGuyJim If the computer black-screened, it doesn't mean the data is gone!!
07:37:37 PMGarbee iTunes is so bloated.
07:37:39 PMagamotto oopa
07:37:40 PMchrisreich Erika1 lost her collection of Hanson recordings..
07:37:49 PMGarbee They need to split the market into its own software.
07:37:50 PMT0B33 I was 15 and i lost all my picz of all my years in school... Learned my lesson the hard way :( :( :( lol
07:37:50 PMGoodGuy Have RobbieF show you his CloneZilla video
07:37:56 PMagamotto heheheh
07:37:59 PMG_Dog1985_ itunes =evil
07:38:17 PMT0B33 Itunes = slows your computer down lol
07:38:30 PMG_Dog1985_ true
07:38:35 PMGoodGuy Hey I have a Spice Girl mp3
07:38:41 PMinvinciblemutant has anyone here tried DVCS-autosync
07:38:44 PM_Jot_ RobbieF secretly has all the Hanson CDs and sings them in the shower
07:38:46 PMinvinciblemutant ?
07:38:51 PMGoodGuy Have the movie also... garage sale for 50 cents
07:38:59 PMchrisreich I love iTunes. I hate iTunes. It is the best of apps, it is the worst of apps.
07:39:02 PMmaxwell6307 i still have one to
07:39:16 PMGuest_7738 i got drive on popgo plug and stop working then plug into ubutua and words and then direct corrent to windows it all worked and then make back up data why want mount on unbuntu
07:39:37 PMsumone what are you going to do with the beta tapes
07:39:45 PMinvinciblemutant i used fsck.etx4, it crashed my partition
07:40:04 PMinvinciblemutant i wish to recover the partition
07:40:12 PMinvinciblemutant my partition is gone
07:40:19 PMchrisreich I'm proud to announce that I did not know Hanson made a movie.
07:40:28 PMinvinciblemutant the disk should be alright
07:40:44 PMGarbee If the partition is gone, you need to recover the data, but you can't re-create the journal/index of files.
07:40:52 PMOldGuyJim Testdisk can recover a partition.
07:40:57 PMGoodGuy
07:41:00 PMpyrosrock who my irc client is working once again
07:41:00 PMinvinciblemutant i just need some files back
07:41:06 PMagamotto I suppose it could be worse, you could be into Debbie Gibson or Tiffany
07:41:12 PMGoodGuy That is a Data Recovery episode on HAK5
07:41:26 PMagamotto controversy
07:41:55 PMGarbee Erika1, Gentoo is a great start in Linux.
07:42:08 PMYazid1965_ lol
07:42:13 PMinvinciblemutant i can afford to lose some files, but to some extend, recover some of them
07:42:17 PMagamotto Erika1- So you have a burgeoning case of Penguin Lust?
07:42:19 PMDennis_Kelley1 I was just a customer of mine that their IT department was using Ubuntu
07:42:20 PMchrisreich "Deborah" Gibson has grown into a very fine actress as seen in many cheesey B-movies on SyFy network. :-)
07:42:24 PMinvinciblemutant i have just about 2% of files needs recover...
07:42:27 PMpyrosrock just dont use woobie
07:42:31 PMDennis_Kelley Very descriptive death scenarios!
07:42:35 PMGoodGuy Or coding in machine langauge so you lean better lol
07:42:44 PMGarbee RobbieF, Why are you using IE6 there?!
07:42:59 PMGarbee That is simply a horrendous assault.
07:42:59 PMGoodGuy learn
07:43:01 PMT0B33 Ahhhhh XP :') So many memories :)
07:43:04 PM_Jot_ cause it's XP, Garbee
07:43:13 PMGoodGuy I still use XP
07:43:15 PMagamotto chrisreich- I couldn't watch that mega-snake thing, even though I was 'altered' at the time I tried
07:43:16 PMinvinciblemutant could anyone please spell me the tool that robbie just mentioned to recover partition?
07:43:17 PMpyrosrock Garbee he is going all retro
07:43:17 PMGarbee His MSE needs to do a scan.
07:43:27 PMGarbee And why does his start menu say Start?
07:43:30 PMOldGuyJim Photorec
07:43:35 PMGoodGuy Owned WIN7 since the day it came out.. box is still sealed
07:43:41 PMpyrosrock NO NO NO RobbieF
07:43:42 PMDennis_Kelley1 12.04 is LTS - cool!
07:43:42 PMinvinciblemutant ubuntu=友邦拓
07:43:45 PMOldGuyJim Testdisk for the partition.
07:43:56 PMpyrosrock win installer is EVIL!
07:44:04 PMagamotto Wubi!
07:44:17 PMU-Al using Wubi installer or an Ubuntu live cd is a good way to try Ubuntu.
07:44:39 PM_Jot_ okay Erika1, that means you never should use the password demo123 anymore, sorry
07:44:40 PMinvinciblemutant make sure that it does not crash your bootloader
07:44:43 PMpyrosrock Erika1 tell robbie i strongly object!
07:44:45 PMsumone Double boot
07:44:47 PMchrisreich I know what you mean, agamotto. You have to be in a certain frame of mind, or trying to distract yourself from a chronic pain episode (as I was doing at the time)
07:44:49 PMinvinciblemutant just a reminder to robbie
07:44:53 PMErika1 ill let him know lol
07:45:20 PMagamotto chrisreich- then it would make sense as un-intentional humor.
07:45:23 PMGoodGuy chronic pain usually wins
07:45:30 PMchrisreich Besides, I'm not to proud to admit that I think Debbie/Deborah Gibson has an attractive face.
07:45:31 PMinvinciblemutant i am on 12.04
07:45:41 PMGarbee Erika1, I love how 12.04 finally makes dual-monitors work properly in Unity.
07:45:45 PMmaxwell6307 linux mint is better
07:45:47 PMT0B33 Unity and the heads up display its ideal if you are using something like GIMP XD
07:45:48 PMScorpio55 12.04 superb
07:45:53 PMGoodGuy I have it installed, but havent really set it up totally
07:46:02 PMagamotto i will offer an opinion in a month or two, after it has been kicked around a bit by others.
07:46:04 PMinvinciblemutant i can recommend people to switch to gnome3, it is much stable now
07:46:04 PMGoodGuy Been going to doctors every day
07:46:09 PMpyrosrock 12.04 is stable as anything i have used so far
07:46:12 PMinvinciblemutant i am using gnome3 now
07:46:16 PMinvinciblemutant loving it
07:46:18 PM_Jot_ What I like about Ubuntu 12.04 is how the year is 12, and the month is ...5? oh wait, 4 and 5 doesn't make sense. I don't like it, sorry!
07:46:29 PMErika1 lol jot
07:46:33 PMGarbee I authorize since I know I'm not installing malicious code.
07:46:37 PMchrisreich I installed 12.04 w/o gui, then installed xorg and awesome manually. Worked great.
07:46:53 PMGoodGuy I tried running Virtual Magnifying Glass on 12.04... doesnt work too well
07:47:06 PMT0B33 Even tho i have installed it once I will install it on that dying drive soon .... If it's going down its going down in a blaze of glory!!! :D
07:47:11 PMGoodGuy Must need some fixes
07:47:12 PMinvinciblemutant 5 years
07:47:15 PMinvinciblemutant lTS
07:47:26 PMsumone Set up double boot. so she can play with em.
07:47:41 PMagamotto Wow... i won't have to distro-update for 5 years...
07:47:41 PMGarbee Robbie, Not latest, just security and certain packages updated fully (like firefox.)
07:47:46 PMsumone Nice
07:47:48 PMGarbee You need PPA's for getting all software updated fully.
07:48:01 PMinvinciblemutant erika is setting far backward
07:48:04 PMinvinciblemutant sitting
07:48:19 PMDennis_Kelley1 I have a couple computers that are over five years old. running linux!
07:48:25 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Her Z-index is -2 and Robbie's is 1.
07:48:29 PM_Jot_ it's because the cameras aren't set up very well today because of tecnical issues, invinciblemutant
07:48:31 PMGarbee (CSS joke)
07:48:34 PMErika1 awesome jel !! i wish i had your luck
07:48:44 PMGoodGuy I would guess my wifes pc is ten years or more
07:49:00 PMGoodGuy AND 1.4Ghz T-Bird chip
07:49:03 PMinvinciblemutant my family including my wife and kids are using ubuntu
07:49:36 PM_Jot_ I use computers that are 25 years old, so 5 years is nothing :)
07:49:54 PMGoodGuy Are laptop drivers an issue in Ubuntu?
07:49:58 PMDennis_Kelley1 i still use a Pent II
07:50:01 PMGarbee GoodGuy, Typically not.
07:50:07 PMGoodGuy Great
07:50:08 PMinvinciblemutant no issues at all
07:50:15 PMinvinciblemutant good for all drivers
07:50:15 PMagamotto wireless, perhaps
07:50:24 PMinvinciblemutant except that you are using something really very rare
07:50:29 PMGoodGuy I have an old Celeron.. I may try that with Ubuntu
07:50:53 PMchrisreich GoodGuy Ubuntu has a reputation for supporting laptop hardware better than any other distro.
07:50:55 PMGoodGuy I bought a few plugin network adapters
07:50:59 PMGarbee The Ribbon rules!
07:51:01 PMinvinciblemutant i think so far, all wireless drivers are well supported
07:51:23 PMinvinciblemutant you can use the live cd to try if it supports before installing on disk
07:51:26 PMpyrosrock GoodGuy pentuim2 ftw
07:51:32 PMGoodGuy Plus that HAK5 USB adapter they sell which supposed to work on most Linux systems
07:51:42 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, don't forget there is an extra 13 minutes at least to the show
07:51:59 PMGoodGuy Hey I have a 486 in my basement lol
07:52:15 PMScorpio55 right clicking on file launcher shows all folder in an old style tree menu
07:52:19 PMGoodGuy It did have an old Linux installed
07:52:23 PMagamotto It's like an app store, but without the charges and spyware built-in
07:52:35 PMGoodGuy cant recall which one since I havent started it in ages
07:52:48 PMOldGuyJim Wow, that looked like OS X.
07:52:59 PMpyrosrock GoodGuy yeah i have a copple of old atari cams
07:53:04 PMinvinciblemutant anywone here has evaluated DVCS-autosync
07:53:08 PMinvinciblemutant please share your experience
07:53:11 PMU-Al what are the differences from 11.10 to 12
07:53:13 PMpyrosrock coms*
07:53:13 PMGoodGuy pyrosrock, ftw with that lol
07:53:34 PMinvinciblemutant according to its description, it works like dropbox, but we can have control over disk storage
07:53:43 PMagamotto uxpint!
07:54:00 PMinvinciblemutant instantaneous update and sync
07:54:08 PMGoodGuy Christa doesnt mind lol
07:54:13 PMinvinciblemutant which is a good feature that i have been waiting for years
07:54:17 PMGoodGuy Just run it on Apple
07:54:19 PMpyrosrock yeah Goodguy i used to use them they are actualy quite good once u get past the floppy disk
07:54:23 PMagamotto tuxpaint, that should have been...
07:54:28 PMinvinciblemutant it would be good if i could integrate with pogoplug
07:54:38 PMagamotto gcmis
07:54:44 PMsumone Openshot
07:55:02 PMGoodGuy not in a pc though
07:55:11 PMErika1 i miss floppies !
07:55:17 PMagamotto geek shuriken
07:55:22 PMpyrosrock i hate floppies!
07:55:37 PMGoodGuy I still have a brand new 3 1/2 drive in a box
07:55:42 PMOldGuyJim without the spikes.
07:56:02 PMsumone it took me some time to download Ubuntu 12.04
07:56:04 PMGoodGuy Terabyte used to save the partition info to a floppy
07:56:16 PMGoodGuy No USB last I read
07:56:32 PMpyrosrock GoodGuy yeah as well as a bunch of zip 100 drives and punch cards which make good notes
07:57:03 PMGoodGuy not that I ever use them
07:57:26 PMGoodGuy It seemed like buying them at a garage sale was a good idea
07:57:44 PMGoodGuy but in retrospect, it was a waste of that money
07:57:58 PMchrisreich I gave away all my zip equipment to a guy who deals in old Macs.
07:58:04 PMScorpio55 RobbieF try right clicking on home folder
07:58:07 PMEightMilesFromTJ you can change the default that Libre Office saves in
07:58:08 PMpyrosrock GoodGuy i actualy had to use a floppy to install the eithernet and usb drivers recently
07:58:08 PMGoodGuy CD-RW is much cheaper and still supported
07:58:22 PMinvinciblemutant no news today?
07:58:41 PMGarbee RobbieF, Can I install Unity in Gentoo?
07:58:48 PMinvinciblemutant have i missed the news?
07:58:54 PMGarbee (That is a loaded question)
07:59:00 PMchrisreich RobbieF can one change the size of the Unity icons on the left side of the screen?
07:59:01 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, I don't think so.
07:59:07 PMGuest_4075 what files does deja dup backup?
07:59:07 PMGarbee chrisreich, Yes.
07:59:11 PMGarbee It is in the settings.
07:59:16 PMGoodGuy Erika1, .. dual boot.. you keep what you have and add a second option to learn at your own pace
07:59:18 PMGarbee Under Display iirc.
07:59:18 PMpyrosrock Eirka1 DONT USE THE WINDOZE INSTALLER!!!!!
07:59:35 PMchipsbit her compiz .......impressive.....
07:59:38 PMsumone Double boot for her
07:59:40 PMBubblehead Remember when we used to buy hole puch so we could punch the other side of a 3.5 and 5 1/4
07:59:58 PMGarbee chipsbit, Compiz can cause crashes when setting it up due to Unity.
07:59:58 PMGoodGuy lol bought one of those also
08:00:12 PMGarbee chipsbit, Still runs fine after a reboot though, if you could get the settings saved.
08:00:22 PMagamotto I found one of those punchers in a drawer recently...
08:00:42 PMG_Dog1985_ RobbieF: i had erveryone on opensoure here but mom new job need windows :(
08:00:43 PMBubblehead I sitll have the puch for both a 3.5 and 5 1/4
08:00:43 PM_Jot_ Erika1, if you do wipe windows, MAKE SURE TO HAVE BACKUPS!!!
08:00:52 PMScorpio55 RobbieF try right clicking on home folder on launcher you should see old style places menu
08:00:52 PMchipsbit's working great now on 12.04
08:01:20 PMGarbee Unity is built into compiz.
08:01:21 PMinvinciblemutant ccsm is the command to compiz
08:01:32 PMGarbee yea, but installing ccsm requires a longer name.
08:01:41 PMGarbee compizconfig-settings-manager I believe.
08:01:51 PMGarbee RobbieF, You need to install effects.
08:01:54 PMchrisreich Isn't compiz incompatible w/ Unity?
08:02:09 PMGarbee chrisreich, No, Unity is built on top of Compiz.
08:02:13 PMYazid1965_ lol
08:02:15 PMGarbee It can just cause issues with certain effects.
08:02:16 PMchipsbit Garbee.....make sure you install plugin-extras too
08:02:24 PMScorpio55 can do all that on 12.04 and install gnome-panel for gnome 2 style
08:02:29 PMGarbee chipsbit, I have, still crashes when I go to set things up.
08:02:46 PMsumone I took out my hhd and run off usb.And I take with
08:02:48 PMinvinciblemutant dude, try gnome
08:03:03 PMinvinciblemutant i think gnome3 runs faster than unity
08:03:08 PMinvinciblemutant that is my feeling
08:03:19 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, It probably does a bit. but the Gnome team is becomming atrocious.
08:03:29 PMT0B33 My dying drive is so getting this installed!! She's going down in style!! yeah the whole printing thing has become very handy for me XD
08:03:36 PMGoodGuy I have a Canon printer ... had to get linux drivers from europe
08:03:50 PMGarbee RobbieF, 10 minutes left in the show.
08:04:07 PMinvinciblemutant gnome3 needs some tuning using gnome-tweak-tool
08:04:07 PMchrisreich I like Brother laser printers and Epson color printers.
08:04:11 PMchipsbit Garbee.....sometimes there are problem with some video card drivers.......sorry
08:04:12 PMGoodGuy They also had scanner drivers, but I have never used the scanner so didnt install them
08:04:28 PMGarbee chipsbit, I am on a GTS450, no issue on my GPU.
08:04:31 PMG_Dog1985_ i like vista
08:04:35 PM_Jot_ Erika1, condoleances for Vista
08:04:35 PMpyrosrock i made sure to avoid vista!
08:04:40 PMG_Dog1985_ to apoint
08:04:41 PMagamotto grrr
08:04:55 PMGarbee chipsbit, I have run Gentoo as my main box before. I am not new to the rodeo of compatability of compiz and drivers.
08:05:05 PMT0B33 RobbieF will you be installing 12.04 on your Cat5 studio PC?
08:05:25 PMpyrosrock all my flash vidieos are blue!
08:05:33 PMchrisreich RobbieF would you describe the tech issues at the start of the show today?
08:05:39 PMG_Dog1985_ same here pyrosrock
08:05:47 PMGarbee chrisreich, It was the USB bus not coming online.
08:05:50 PM_Jot_ T0B33, the broadcasting-software doesn't run on linux, so no, not on the broadcasting-computer
08:05:55 PMGarbee He got one camera to work, so they went with it.
08:06:06 PMGoodGuy Why not help her install on the show?
08:06:07 PMT0B33 i meant the one running Zorin OS
08:06:07 PMpyrosrock G_Dog1985_ good to know its not just me
08:06:12 PMchrisreich okay, thanks
08:06:27 PMGoodGuy Dual boot
08:06:34 PMsumone Double boot
08:06:46 PMG_Dog1985_ pyrosrock: for youtube only
08:06:52 PMGarbee haha
08:07:00 PMGarbee I get that reference.
08:07:03 PMchrisreich Schools do students a disservice by teaching only Microsoft software.
08:07:07 PMchipsbit Garbee......I found that after a clean install of 12.04 and all updates....that there are new drivers out there that seemed to fix the crashing problem for me
08:07:23 PMpyrosrock G_Dog1985_ yeah on utube but i havent tryed any other flash vid sites
08:07:23 PMGarbee chrisreich, Not entirely true. But it is mostly the IT departments fault, not the teachers.
08:07:34 PMinvinciblemutant how 64 bit runs faster than 32 bit?
08:07:37 PMG_Dog1985_ jtv fine
08:07:48 PMG_Dog1985_ and hulu
08:07:55 PMchrisreich I stand by my statement Garbee. Strongly.
08:07:57 PMGarbee chipsbit, I tend not to trust Nvidia with fresh drivers since the issue with fans not working properly and peoples cards messing up. So I stick to the stable ones.
08:08:04 PMpyrosrock chrisreich we had macs in primary school
08:08:25 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
08:08:39 PMchipsbit oh I agree Garbee....I too only run the reccommended
08:08:47 PMchrisreich you were lucky pyrosock. FWIW, I was already in industry when the first Mac came out. Our department got one.
08:08:55 PMT0B33 Erika1 what kinda music do you like?
08:09:41 PMGoodGuy Educational Discounts
08:09:56 PMGarbee RobbieF, Schools can pay around $1,000 USD (In america) to get full access to MS software for all their usage.
08:10:21 PMGoodGuy Students get a discount on academic software
08:10:23 PMchrisreich Garbee, that's *per seat*
08:10:41 PMGarbee chrisreich, Not so. My public school system is in the program.
08:10:50 PMsumone MS evil empire
08:10:56 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
08:11:14 PMGoodGuy I have a friend who works at schools.. her gets MS 7 and Office for less than $20 for home use
08:11:15 PMpyrosrock Erika1 my old high school now has macs with cs5 on them
08:11:21 PMchrisreich even forgetting cost of deployment, students should be learning how to figure the software out, not that certain key-combos do certain things.
08:11:42 PMGoodGuy They figure if you use it all the time, you will want it at jobs
08:11:44 PMagamotto Too busy spending dosh on maintenance software
08:11:52 PMErika1 thats so cool i wish mine had that !
08:12:19 PMGarbee chrisreich, I think a basic computing class should be required for freshmen students now. Which is where things like that would come into play.
08:12:20 PMErika1 i love old music and the last living rockers :D
08:12:21 PMGoodGuy Scare tactics.. no support
08:12:29 PMhobbet1 is there a linux alternative, for the programs that robbie uses to produce his show?
08:12:44 PMagamotto hobbet1- not yet
08:12:54 PMinvinciblemutant just wonder when robbie is switching to linux for his studio system
08:12:56 PMsumone long live rebel alliance.
08:13:08 PMmaxwell6307 mint
08:13:11 PMT0B33 I'm using mate on Debian mint i cant leave gnome 2 :( A bit of a conflict in me lol
08:13:11 PMhobbet1 ok thanks
08:13:14 PMGarbee Gentoo!
08:13:16 PMchrisreich RobbieF may I take this opportunity to suggest a Linux software package. Rednotebook - should work great for students, researchers, and office workers.
08:13:21 PMpyrosrock mint is less stable than 12.04\
08:13:25 PMYazid1965_ Arch!
08:13:33 PMGoodGuy Ultimate Edition.. every bell and whistle
08:13:37 PMG_Dog1985_ lol
08:13:37 PMchipsbit lol
08:13:49 PMGoodGuy eye candy galore
08:13:50 PMT0B33 Thanks you two your both awesome!!! :D
08:13:53 PMinvinciblemutant any website showing top ranked linux distro
08:13:57 PMinvinciblemutant s
08:14:01 PMmaxwell6307 thanks for the invite robbie
08:14:06 PMGoodGuy
08:14:11 PMagamotto distrowatch?
08:14:20 PMYazid1965_ Good night all
08:14:22 PMGoodGuy by their hit counts
08:14:36 PMGarbee Distrowatch does not show rankings of distros!
08:14:45 PMagamotto aahh
08:14:46 PMGarbee It shows the number of hits per day on their site for each distro's page.
08:14:51 PMchipsbit good night all.......great show RobbieF
08:14:53 PMagamotto BRB, need to attend to laundry
08:14:57 PMchrisreich all my best to everyone, even T0B33
08:14:58 PMGoodGuy It does only by their page hit counts
08:15:09 PMG_Dog1985_ RobbieF: i had erveryone on opensoure here but mom new job need windows :( not happy about that a vm will not work
08:15:10 PMmaxwell6307 nite all
08:15:10 PMGoodGuy not actual use of the os
08:15:14 PMGarbee GoodGuy, But that is not a true ranking system.
08:15:23 PMGoodGuy True
08:15:36 PMGarbee It just means "Here is what is being looked at today"
08:15:37 PMGoodGuy Closest thing I am aware of
08:15:38 PMGarbee Nothing more.
08:15:51 PMGarbee no, distrowatch ranking isn't even close to ranking actual usage share.
08:16:02 PMGarbee It is a nice guideline of what people are looking at, nothing more.
08:16:04 PMGoodGuy Maybe Linux Counter, but many ppl dont use it
08:16:07 PMinvinciblemutant could anyone explain how 64 bit runs faster than 32 bit
08:16:09 PMT0B33 Is officially out of energy i think i need to swallow some batteries lol Good night everyone :) Great show guys! :D Thanks!
08:16:18 PMGoodGuy so that would be very inaccurate
08:16:25 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Some inherent limitation's on 32bit OSes compared to 64bit.
08:16:31 PMsumone Ultimate edition is good. big! but good to go out of box
08:16:40 PMGarbee I'm not going into it, too complicated for a chatroom.
08:16:42 PMpyrosrock RobbieF i cant belive u showed that abobination of ubuntu that is wubi! i strongly object!
08:16:52 PMG_Dog1985_ invinciblemutant: 32bit 3gb 64bit >4gb
08:17:02 PMGoodGuy More memory.... more effiecient instruction set to access memory blocks.. guessing
08:17:04 PMinvinciblemutant the limitation is the max memory addressing
08:17:15 PMGarbee pyrosrock, Wubi is fine for beginners.
08:17:16 PMinvinciblemutant robbie mentioned that we gain in speed...
08:17:20 PMinvinciblemutant i dont understand this
08:17:22 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Ther are other things.
08:17:24 PMGarbee there*
08:17:51 PMGarbee 64 bit has a larger bus to send data (double to be exact), so it can send/recieve data faster than 32bit.
08:17:53 PMGoodGuy 32-bit systems have to play tricks to access high memory
08:18:01 PMagamotto Wubi is a good tool for initiating the Penguin-curious
08:18:05 PMGoodGuy more overhead
08:18:07 PMGarbee PAE is those tricks, and they really do nothing beyond get the memory boost.
08:18:19 PMpyrosrock Garbee but it is so slow is like using a 3 yr old win xp with no virus protection and some good infections speed wise
08:18:26 PMinvinciblemutant what is PAE
08:18:41 PMGoodGuy Physical Address Extensions
08:18:51 PMGarbee pyrosrock, Wubi just installs Ubuntu onto the Windows disk and uses the Windows loader.
08:19:00 PMGoodGuy allows 32-bit to access more than 4 gb
08:19:16 PMinvinciblemutant that is the only think i can see
08:19:19 PMGoodGuy processor needs to support that feature
08:19:28 PMsumone @Erika1: Robbie's good he will learn you a lot.
08:19:35 PMinvinciblemutant speed? robbie didnt explain
08:19:42 PMpyrosrock Garbee yeah but i have found massive speed loss with wubi install therefore it only discourages ppl
08:19:50 PMGarbee GoodGuy, Processor's don't need to support PAE, the kernel does. at least, last I checked that was the case.
08:20:15 PMGarbee pyrosrock, Perhaps you. Most will just want the experience to get them hooked. I will do some testing myself though and see.
08:20:21 PMGoodGuy I believe they tell users to run a command to display cpu features
08:20:25 PMGarbee I havn't touched Wubi since my first install of Ubuntu to my HDD>
08:20:37 PMGarbee lspci or some form of that most likely.
08:20:38 PMGoodGuy one output flag was for PAE iirc
08:20:48 PMGarbee ah, getting flags, then not lspci.
08:21:24 PMGoodGuy probably some value in the /proc thing
08:21:39 PMGarbee GoodGuy, Yea, CPU needs to support it, but almost all have since the 90's. So not a big deal at all.
08:21:56 PMGarbee Unless somone is running an ancient computer, but then they need to upgrade anyways to get over 4GB of memory.
08:22:37 PMpyrosrock wow it just started raining
08:22:39 PMGarbee Although I didn't know the CPU needed PAE support before now, this is interesting.
08:22:42 PMinvinciblemutant i have checked out PAE
08:23:05 PMinvinciblemutant it is only useful when you have more than 4gb memory on a 32 bit os
08:23:17 PMGarbee At that point, just install 64bit.
08:24:29 PM_Jot_ won't happen, contracts etc with governments
08:24:30 PMGarbee Perhaps my local school county will look at them for with 5 years of support under this LTS.
08:24:31 PMagamotto Sounds much like the QEMM extensions, pre-pentium
08:24:42 PMGoodGuy sudo x86info -f
08:24:43 PMinvinciblemutant
08:24:44 PMGarbee _Jot_, It can happen in our county. If they want to move to Linux they can.
08:24:47 PMinvinciblemutant this is the benchmark
08:24:53 PMRobbieF Thanks everyone! Sorry I'm so distant right now. I'll be back in a while to do the files & can chat then.
08:24:54 PMagamotto Garbee- you can only hope
08:24:55 PMRobbieF seeya soon


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