06:58:02 PM | agamotto | robgor: I would if I could. I would also have the Nunavut send some cooling my way...
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06:58:16 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, 1982 on the back of your shirt doesn't make you look youthful, thats ancient
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06:58:50 PM | robgor | LOL : shouldnt complain atleast it doesnt get to minus during the winter like some other places around the world
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06:59:28 PM | robgor | oh well seya guys
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06:59:41 PM | _Jot_ | I wonder what the alcoholpercentage is in RobbieF's special drink
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06:59:54 PM | RobbieF | ha!
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07:00:05 PM | agamotto | At least Robbie doesn't have 'graphic prints' ruining his clothing.
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07:00:09 PM | _Jot_ | it must be a lot since he keeps it locked up to keep it from scaping
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07:01:00 PM | agamotto | He leaves as the show starts?
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07:01:03 PM | _Jot_ | happy late birthday ErikaL
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07:01:03 PM | agamotto | Hmmm
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07:01:12 PM | Garbee | Honors... We don't need those.
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07:01:19 PM | _Jot_ | congratulations on graduation too ErikaL
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07:02:16 PM | agamotto | Slabs of coo beasties?
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07:03:00 PM | _Jot_ | ErikaL, don't forget to count your fingers after handling knives
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07:03:10 PM | GoodGuy | I got married so I didn't have to learn to cook :-)
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07:03:29 PM | agamotto | ErikaL, Substitute spinach for lettuce and you can improve just about ANY salad.
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07:03:49 PM | GoodGuy | Whatever she makes is good because better than anything I'd cook
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07:04:04 PM | chrisreich | People of Earth, Greetings
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07:04:11 PM | agamotto | Fresh Feta cheese can do wonders as well... yum
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07:04:12 PM | GoodGuy | hi chrisreich
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07:04:31 PM | chrisreich | Hey GoodGuy
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07:04:34 PM | GoodGuy | That is cool!
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07:04:47 PM | agamotto | Around here, we call that 'toobin.'
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07:05:56 PM | _Jot_ | that mural is very different from what I expected but it looks nice
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07:06:05 PM | Garbee | I had to lean over for my assistant principal to move my tassel because I (along with a handful of other students) were too tall for her.
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07:06:09 PM | agamotto | Interesting
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07:06:19 PM | GoodGuy | Our daughter graduated from college with a 4.0 gpa and had no desire to go to the graduation
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07:06:33 PM | agamotto | Anything beats 'institutional' decor...
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07:06:47 PM | GoodGuy | Our son fell asleep on the lawn at his, but we found him and woke him up in time
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07:07:24 PM | agamotto | I had the distinction of being starkers under my robe at graduation...
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07:07:39 PM | GoodGuy | Lucky no high winds
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07:07:51 PM | _Jot_ | I never graduated, so I never went. Well, grade school, but that doesn't count
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07:07:55 PM | GoodGuy | Is is an older PC
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07:08:16 PM | GoodGuy | It stopped working on my newer pc and not on wife's older pc
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07:08:37 PM | agamotto | No wind was one of the reasons i was so dressed.... 90+, no air, large gymnasium... I was somewhat comfortable, compared to most ;)
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07:08:44 PM | GoodGuy | She has an older video card (nVidia based)
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07:08:47 PM | Mathman47 | I had the flu at my graduation & slept thru the whole thing.
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07:09:07 PM | GoodGuy | I read older nVidia cards were screwing up Linux flash
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07:09:11 PM | Tobi2 | That might explain my issue!
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07:09:43 PM | agamotto | Has anyone splashed out for any of the 6xx series cards yet?
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07:10:01 PM | Garbee | Is it just me or does the video look off tonight?
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07:10:05 PM | _Jot_ | I have a 7 series, a 7900, but that's ancient
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07:10:18 PM | Garbee | It looks like he isn't using the MS Lifecam Studio's tonight.
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07:10:20 PM | GoodGuy | I tried the adobe flash test and that failed
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07:10:24 PM | agamotto | Garbee, I think it is just Robbie's shirt blowing out the color filters :)
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07:10:26 PM | _Jot_ | oh, and a series 8, 8800 :P
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07:10:33 PM | chrisreich | Eric Kidd looks really fine tonight, Garbee.
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07:10:41 PM | ErikaL | ahahhahahah :)
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07:10:44 PM | GoodGuy | I agree... video isnt as high quality as usual Garbee
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07:10:52 PM | Garbee | ErikaL, I'm glad you took that as a joke.
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07:11:54 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, You are failing as well.
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07:12:07 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, ErikaL, you should mention that shirt says 1982 on the back, so it's just ancient and pathetic
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07:12:21 PM | agamotto | I can't criticize, as i love wearing day-glo colors myself
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07:12:29 PM | Garbee | What did I say in this email?
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07:13:11 PM | GoodGuy | Wife wants to get me on What Not to Wear
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07:13:45 PM | Garbee | Hostnames in Linux are typically stored in /etc/hostname for those who care to know.
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07:13:46 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, if you haven't been featured on 'People of Walmart,' you are probably safe.
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07:13:59 PM | GoodGuy | lol... not yet
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07:14:04 PM | Garbee | Plus it breaks certain routing protocols.
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07:14:07 PM | Guest_7690 | hi robbie and erika
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07:14:13 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, Alternatively, find a gay friend and have him help you pick out some spearates.
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07:14:19 PM | RobbieF | Hey Guest_7690
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07:14:53 PM | Guest_7690 | where did u buy your shirt
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07:14:58 PM | GoodGuy | I rarely leave the house and when I do it is usually garage sales.. its a county fair, so it gets ppl talking
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07:15:05 PM | agamotto | I still have to sew labels into my dad's clothes, as he is quite color-blind
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07:15:16 PM | GoodGuy | Armada County Fair in Michigan
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07:15:59 PM | agamotto | I made it out to two county faires in our area this year... lots of fun, especially when you avoid the fried foods
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07:17:17 PM | Garbee | No: make && make install && ./install does not always work.
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07:17:19 PM | agamotto | BTW, if you didn't go to the 25th Anniversary of ST:TNG event at the theaters last night, you didn't miss much. It was essentially a 2 1/2 hour commercial for the Blu-Ray ST:TNG set release.
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07:17:38 PM | Garbee | haha
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07:17:47 PM | _Jot_ | yay, Jot Wins yet again!
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07:18:24 PM | Garbee | ErikaL, If you were installing Zorin, there are known install issues.
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07:18:32 PM | agamotto | No internet for a month?!?!!?!?!!?
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07:18:52 PM | agamotto | I can handle a week or so while camping... but come-on!
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07:18:54 PM | ErikaL | YEAH no internet
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07:18:59 PM | GoodGuy | had to see wife safe to her car
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07:19:01 PM | ErikaL | im on a campng resort
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07:19:08 PM | Smittysmit | agamotto do you go to the Renassance festival in Holly, MI?
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07:19:30 PM | ajamison5579 | Internet is the new go to drug for this Millenium
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07:19:35 PM | agamotto | Smittysmit, No, but I have been to the one near Chicago a couple of times
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07:19:46 PM | ajamison5579 | so being without it is a bit of a downe
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07:19:48 PM | Guest_7690 | delawana inn is a luxury resort not a camping resort
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07:19:51 PM | ajamison5579 | downer
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07:19:57 PM | ErikaL | i dont have that mnay issues though ive been fishing
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07:20:12 PM | GoodGuy | Real Middle Age wars a few miles away from Holly in Flint MI lol
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07:20:12 PM | Smittysmit | agamotto you are in Michigan?
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07:20:12 PM | agamotto | ErikaL, Can't get/rent pay as you go mobile net?
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07:20:56 PM | agamotto | Smittysmit, nope... Moline, Il. On the Mississippi
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07:21:04 PM | GoodGuy | You didnt learn Windows in a day
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07:21:23 PM | ErikaL | no i still have a t9 phone pad /flippy phone
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07:21:27 PM | Guest_7690 | its is weird I was in the UK
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07:21:41 PM | _Jot_ | enjoy it while you can ErikaL
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07:21:41 PM | ErikaL | i also have three room mates
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07:22:04 PM | GoodGuy | to be fair Windows doesnt have repositories for application software
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07:22:09 PM | agamotto | ErikaL, That's ok, I have a 'stupidphone' as well... actually prefer it, as I can actually make calls :)
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07:22:26 PM | GoodGuy | Have to manually keep apps updated
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07:22:50 PM | ErikaL | i am though i get to kayak, fish , bike ,run, explore , watch good old movies again :) for two months also prep food for the resort every day
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07:23:00 PM | GoodGuy | I am thinking of getting an iTouch and keep my stupid phone
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07:23:09 PM | ajamison5579 | Goodguy I hear windows 8 will have some form of repository like function for apps bought on the windows 8 market
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07:23:16 PM | GoodGuy | I basically want an iPhone w/o the phone part
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07:23:30 PM | GoodGuy | Thats a start ajamison5579
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07:23:35 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, ipod Touch?
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07:23:37 PM | chrisreich_ | That would be an iPod Touch, GoogGuy.
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07:23:46 PM | ErikaL | I agree (goodguy)
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07:23:48 PM | KB | hello, is there any better video conferencing s/w other than skype or oovoo
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07:23:49 PM | Guest_7690 | erika must be nice to be on your own all summer
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07:23:50 PM | Garbee | Win 8 will have a repo function but it is *locked* to things sold there, which is at MS's descretion.
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07:23:52 PM | GoodGuy | But I own a large number of shareware and freeware apps
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07:23:59 PM | ErikaL | i want the same not the expensive contract
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07:24:07 PM | Garbee | Also, no other way to get Metro apps in unless you get the source code and compile it yourself.
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07:24:08 PM | GoodGuy | Take a lot of work on the part of Win 8
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07:24:13 PM | ErikaL | reason why i have no smart or i phone :P
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07:24:26 PM | agamotto | ErikaL, understood
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07:24:28 PM | chrisreich_ | DRINK!
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07:24:37 PM | ajamison5579 | Goodguy have you run into any issues running Win 7 progs on Win 8?
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07:24:37 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, There is software that will check for app updates for you, and even auto-update as well if you wish.
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07:24:40 PM | ErikaL | lol i do
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07:24:54 PM | chrisreich_ | DRINK!
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07:25:00 PM | agamotto | Secunia PSI is a reasonable one
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07:25:09 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, The only issues will be games. Anything other than that should work just fine unless the software dev was lazy and/or stupid.
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07:25:27 PM | Garbee | agamotto, That is the one I was thinking of. Just couldn't come up with the name. Thanks.
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07:25:33 PM | ajamison5579 | So none of my games will work in Windows 8?
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07:26:01 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, They will, but there might be some issues with the Metro UI.
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07:26:05 PM | agamotto | ajamison5579, Should, but there might be surprises along the way
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07:26:13 PM | Garbee | Then again I haven't touched the RTM bits, so they could have fixed it.
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07:26:15 PM | GoodGuy | I am still running WinXP
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07:26:33 PM | chrisreich | DRINK!
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07:26:39 PM | Garbee | It is mainly fullscreen games that are the issue. Like I played KOTOR and has some issues with explorer being targeted when it shouldn't have.
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07:26:50 PM | GoodGuy | I bought one of those pre release copies of Win 7 but never opened the box iirc
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07:26:55 PM | Garbee | chrisreich, Why do you keep yelling drink?
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07:27:00 PM | ajamison5579 | hmm I might wait a while then for the games to get win 8 compatibility update to upgrade to win 8
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07:27:01 PM | GoodGuy | Know I never installed it
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07:27:21 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, Don't bother. Just stick to a 7 box for gaming and 8 for all daily work.
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07:27:31 PM | Garbee | Most game devs won't update.
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07:27:35 PM | GoodGuy | It seemed ;like too much work to install and setup all my software
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07:27:48 PM | chrisreich | Garbee - Every time RobbieF mispronounces something - we all take a drink!
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07:27:52 PM | ajamison5579 | Garbee I really do not want to run two seperate machines it uses more electricity then i need
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07:28:10 PM | Smittysmit | If I dont know it...I read EULA's
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07:28:11 PM | Garbee | chrisreich, No we don't.
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07:28:12 PM | agamotto | ajamison5579, keep 7 until 8 has been out at least a year
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07:28:20 PM | GoodGuy | Get a Raspberry Pi lol
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07:28:23 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, No it doesn't... Dual boot dude.
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07:28:25 PM | Guest_7690 | and me without a drink
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07:28:33 PM | GoodGuy | very low energy most likely
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07:29:24 PM | invinciblemutant | a bit slow here
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07:29:30 PM | Guest_7690 | thanks agamotto :)
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07:29:30 PM | Garbee | I am trying to figure out how the Win 8 explorer UI is going to look when finished. They are removing Aero and I'm hoping they don't make it look like the Office 2013 preview which is this ugly white for everything and no way to change it.
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07:29:45 PM | agamotto | Hrm
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07:29:46 PM | GoodGuy | My wife insisted she must have Windows Spider Solitaire.... I ran it under CrossOver Linux and she happily uses Ubuntu 11.04 iirc
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07:29:54 PM | GoodGuy | One without Unity
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07:30:19 PM | _Jot_ | goodguy, did you change the title of the solitaire?
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07:30:39 PM | GoodGuy | The Unity version was too slow .. not the new LTS one
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07:30:45 PM | GoodGuy | 11.10
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07:30:51 PM | agamotto | Why don't we just ban BOTH companies' devices until they settle the issue?
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07:31:09 PM | GoodGuy | No, I left the same name and gave her a desktop icon
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07:31:33 PM | agamotto | 'The new Chrysler LeBaron... with rrrrich, Corinthian leahther...'
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07:31:44 PM | ajamison5579 | Garbee that is one of my biggest beefs with Win 8 it seems to go backward in terms of graphics almost like 2012 tech in a win 3.1.4 package
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07:31:53 PM | GoodGuy | Her Windows XP was freezing up often, so that got her willing to try Ubuntu and never looked back
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07:31:55 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Because he got smart with 3.0 and changed the naming scheme for Kernel releases.
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07:32:15 PM | Garbee | Made it more time-release friendly vs the old time + engineering friendly.
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07:32:16 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, good job
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07:32:52 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, It is all for a good reason, but I just need a choice that is not white. White is horrible when looking at for long periods.
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07:33:16 PM | agamotto | Somehow, i get the feeling that someone in the US government will try to offer M$ a bail-out.
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07:33:20 PM | ajamison5579 | Garbee maybe offer multiple shades that you choose from durring install
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07:33:21 PM | Garbee | I in fact love the way things look in screenshots of builds w/o aero, as long as I can change the color.
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07:34:00 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, No, that is stupid. They do it for Metro which they should, but for explorer it needs to be how it is now which is in the Personalization area.
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07:34:07 PM | GoodGuy | Hard to compete with free
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07:34:16 PM | agamotto | The OS no longer matters to most... it just needs to run 'their' software for whatever tasks...
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07:34:16 PM | Guest_7690 | still have a black berry :(
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07:34:22 PM | Garbee | Making it a choice during install would just be confusing and add clutter.
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07:34:24 PM | GoodGuy | Status symbol
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07:35:02 PM | ajamison5579 | I can see that becoming a vessel for spam
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07:35:03 PM | Garbee | I love how the Windows team is making things brighter but the VS team knows the problems with that and is making things darker.
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07:35:14 PM | ajamison5579 | and spyware
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07:35:15 PM | Garbee | VS = Visual Studio ^^
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07:35:30 PM | ajamison5579 | refering to chirp
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07:36:02 PM | Garbee | haha-ha
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07:36:14 PM | Garbee | I'm guessing this is node.js based.
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07:36:51 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief can we say Mass random Spam
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07:36:54 PM | Guest_7690 | yes I can hear sounds like r2d2
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07:36:57 PM | GoodGuy | is that Near Field Communications?
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07:37:04 PM | ajamison5579 | that is what i see Chirp as
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07:37:10 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, No, it is web based.
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07:37:11 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, stop playing with your thingy, you have a show to do!
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07:37:18 PM | Garbee | i devices don't have NFC iirc.
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07:37:20 PM | GoodGuy | Ok
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07:37:20 PM | Ron__ | Hey it is R2D2
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07:37:42 PM | Guest_7690 | next week on cat 5 meet r2d2
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07:38:11 PM | GoodGuy | If it goes over the web, how can it do it w/o wi-fi, wired etc
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07:38:36 PM | agamotto | So, essentially, it is an audio-modem that is waiting to 'hear' something like AT codes...
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07:38:51 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, you do know that is how homecomputers saved things on casettes for decades, right?
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07:39:15 PM | invinciblemutant | robertf: netflix is not avail in all countries
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07:39:19 PM | GoodGuy | 300 baud acostic couplers live again! it is Deju Vu all over again
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07:39:19 PM | Smittysmit | Netflix on Linux now??????
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07:39:33 PM | agamotto | sadly, no
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07:39:37 PM | Guest_7690 | loved sliders lol
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07:39:41 PM | invinciblemutant | You no need to install anything, should run on browser right?
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07:39:48 PM | Smittysmit | N'uff said
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07:40:10 PM | ajamison5579 | Sliders I loved that show
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07:40:30 PM | agamotto | Kids in the Hall
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07:40:39 PM | Garbee | Oh, Chrip is basically transforming bits into an audio signal which the app can pick up and then re-transfer back into bits.
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07:40:41 PM | ajamison5579 | I like Airwolf also
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07:40:43 PM | GoodGuy | I want Jerico back or I wont watch CBS except football
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07:40:55 PM | Garbee | It has a standard conversion method it uses so all other apps can pick up the data.
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07:40:58 PM | _Jot_ | Garbee, yes, welcome to the party
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07:41:12 PM | Garbee | I had to go to the itunes page for it in order to figure it out.
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07:41:16 PM | GoodGuy | modern acostic coupler
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07:41:26 PM | GoodGuy | acoustic
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07:41:28 PM | invinciblemutant | I think the reason for difference is the licensing of the media
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07:41:42 PM | agamotto | Airwolf? Was that the one about the helicopter?
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07:41:47 PM | ajamison5579 | yes
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07:42:47 PM | Garbee | "Sharing requires a network connection"... So it actually (most likely) uploads the file, sends out a chirp associated with the item on the server, then other clients that pick up that signal download the item from the server by using the unique audio id that was picked up.
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07:42:48 PM | agamotto | RobbieF, Studio greed usually. They want Canada and other countries to wait until they extract the most dosh out of US users. Just as I can't pay the Beeb to legally use iPlayer here in the US.
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07:42:51 PM | GoodGuy | The WD Live TV box with Netflix had the filesystem encrypted, so B-Rad and helpers couldn't hack it
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07:42:52 PM | Guest_7690 | airwolf was awesome I wished they would rerun that show
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07:42:53 PM | _Jot_ | I think I'm going to make a device that chirps 'ATM0 - thanks for thinking of the social environment'
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07:43:26 PM | GoodGuy | Slingplayer RobbieF ?
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07:43:50 PM | GoodGuy | Wonder if that has national restrictions
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07:43:54 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Also IE 6-9 are all not the real web.
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07:44:18 PM | tic-toc | I keep forgetting the live time
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07:44:21 PM | GoodGuy | ErikaL, - Clean Outhouses?
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07:44:38 PM | _Jot_ | outhouses? I hear they just dig a ditch for that
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07:44:43 PM | Guest_7690 | that's where her food winds up
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07:44:45 PM | agamotto | latrines
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07:44:48 PM | GoodGuy | I was asking if the outhouse was clean where you are staying
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07:44:52 PM | tic-toc | mic
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07:44:54 PM | ajamison5579 | mice went out
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07:44:54 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Erika's mic just went out.
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07:44:58 PM | GoodGuy | sound primitive :-)
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07:45:02 PM | GoodGuy | sounds
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07:45:03 PM | Garbee | Check them battaries.!
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07:45:04 PM | Mathman47 | No sound
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07:45:10 PM | ajamison5579 | there we go
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07:45:11 PM | Garbee | It is back now.
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07:45:13 PM | ajamison5579 | its back
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07:45:13 PM | tic-toc | yep
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07:45:14 PM | _Jot_ | working now
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07:45:15 PM | agamotto | ok now
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07:45:15 PM | Smittysmit | yes
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07:45:18 PM | Mathman47 | OK now
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07:45:26 PM | Garbee | I don't see any
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07:45:30 PM | Garbee | Cat5 bars anywhere.
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07:45:43 PM | Mathman47 | We can hear it all the way in Chicago!
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07:45:47 PM | Garbee | I'm getting 2 right now.
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07:46:04 PM | Garbee | joedemax, must be like " What do these people do for an hour?"
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07:46:14 PM | GoodGuy | I used to date a girl whose parents had a cabin up north.... outhouse only
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07:46:14 PM | joedemax | GURRR I FORGOT
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07:46:15 PM | joedemax | link me
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07:46:19 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, very carefully, obviously
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07:46:19 PM | invinciblemutant | is pogoplug still sponsoring cat5tv?
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07:46:20 PM | agamotto | I just did my backup two nights ago
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07:46:23 PM | Garbee | http://live.cat5.tv
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07:46:29 PM | Garbee | 14 minutes left though.
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07:46:31 PM | Garbee | :/
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07:46:34 PM | joedemax | got it
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07:46:43 PM | Garbee | I will be sure to hit you next week before the show starts.
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07:46:44 PM | joedemax | :
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07:46:44 PM | Smittysmit | Luv my dropbox
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07:46:46 PM | tic-toc | that's more than most people do
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07:46:47 PM | joedemax | :(
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07:46:48 PM | joedemax | thx Garbee
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07:47:13 PM | Garbee | I'm going to try to corall a few people from other chatrooms in next week.
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07:47:25 PM | invinciblemutant | time machine on mac
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07:47:47 PM | agamotto | Clickfree? Those only work on Win/Mac, I thought
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07:47:53 PM | GoodGuy | new point of failure
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07:47:58 PM | Smittysmit | I think the cloud is the future
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07:48:15 PM | agamotto | The cloud will be how it all unravels
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07:48:16 PM | tic-toc | burn a disk too
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07:48:31 PM | invinciblemutant | use cloud service
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07:48:45 PM | invinciblemutant | skydrive, dropbox
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07:48:52 PM | tic-toc | 3-4 backups
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07:49:00 PM | invinciblemutant | ubuntuone
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07:49:19 PM | Smittysmit | agamotto yes, your data is only important as your last backup...pogo plug included
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07:49:21 PM | agamotto | paper-tape... should last ~500years
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07:49:31 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, it is even worse now all the manufuacturers (all 2) offer only 1 year warranty for almost all models
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07:49:36 PM | tic-toc | we are cursed now
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07:49:50 PM | GoodGuy | Tekzilla says the same thing about backups
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07:49:53 PM | Mathman47 | RAID 1 = always backed-up.
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07:50:01 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, I do. Mine is going to crash in 3 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 35 seconds, 25 milliseconds. That is as close as I can get.
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07:50:03 PM | invinciblemutant | _Jot_: Not true, most of them offer 3 years, WD 2 years for ext drives
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07:50:12 PM | _Jot_ | not anymore invinciblemutant
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07:50:24 PM | GoodGuy | What about a fire, etc
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07:50:27 PM | Garbee | No it isn't.
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07:50:28 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: My SSD crashed within 2 months
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07:50:30 PM | agamotto | invinciblemutant, check again... most dropped their coverage after the Thai flooding
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07:50:36 PM | Garbee | Once that array fries, where is the backup?
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07:50:39 PM | Smittysmit | Mathman74 what if a power surge takes out the system?
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07:50:41 PM | tic-toc | isnt raid 5 better
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07:51:02 PM | GoodGuy | Robbers
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07:51:04 PM | Garbee | tic-toc, For speed yes.
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07:51:11 PM | GoodGuy | Like visited Cat5
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07:51:13 PM | Mathman47 | Then I'll bring out of of my other 2 backups!
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07:51:27 PM | ajamison5579 | I no use RAID
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07:51:28 PM | agamotto | What if there is an alien invasion, or an EMP strike.... backup, but don't lose your minds
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07:51:30 PM | Mathman47 | *one
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07:51:32 PM | tic-toc | I thought raid 0 was for speed
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07:51:32 PM | _Jot_ | many RAID is bad because if you lose a disk, you lose the whole array in many cases
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07:51:42 PM | ajamison5579 | to many issues with configuration
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07:51:43 PM | chrisreich | no system is perfect. It's all about managing the risk.
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07:51:52 PM | Garbee | RAID 1 +50 or 10 + 50 = Super nice setups.
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07:52:00 PM | GoodGuy | Hey I saw an EMP strike on the TV show Jerico :-)
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07:52:14 PM | invinciblemutant | agamotto: You are right, but at least SSD are having 3 years
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07:52:17 PM | Mathman47 | No surge - UPS.
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07:52:21 PM | Garbee | For those who don't know, that is stacking RAIDS for super performance and redundancy.
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07:52:34 PM | Garbee | Mathman47, UPS is no gaurentee.
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07:52:35 PM | GoodGuy | One of the heros had a govt issued hardened laptop
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07:52:35 PM | Smittysmit | So what are Robbie's suggestions????
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07:52:52 PM | Mathman47 | Garbee: why?
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07:52:54 PM | invinciblemutant | hitachi and WD are having 2 years still
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07:52:56 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, One of the few shows I really liked
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07:53:03 PM | ajamison5579 | since RAID 1 is a mirrored set can you upgrade to RAID 1 from a non-raid
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07:53:04 PM | Smittysmit | We all fail to reaplace batteries in the UPS.
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07:53:06 PM | invinciblemutant | perhaps seagate has reduced to 1 year
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07:53:13 PM | Garbee | Mathman47, If lightening strikes the right place, it can still not help due to getting overcharged.
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07:53:14 PM | tic-toc | I was a ugly kid, I wish those pictures would get lost
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07:53:24 PM | Garbee | Mathman47, Basically, if you throw a scenario at me I can break it.
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07:53:25 PM | GoodGuy | We loved that show... it was too believable to keep on TV
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07:53:30 PM | agamotto | Smittysmit, speak for yourself. I replace mine every three years, regardless of status
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07:53:38 PM | Guest_7690 | not me :(
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07:53:43 PM | Mathman47 | And this could go on forever. Then nothing is safe.
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07:53:43 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, unraid, but no external backup, no place to store them
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07:53:46 PM | invinciblemutant | agamotto: buffalo 2 years
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07:53:54 PM | invinciblemutant | Samsung 3 years
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07:53:54 PM | GoodGuy | We joined in the protest sending CBS NUTS lol
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07:54:10 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, so did i :)
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07:54:28 PM | tic-toc | Is hitachi still the best HD
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07:54:34 PM | ajamison5579 | McGuyver would just get some ductape and fix it
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07:54:39 PM | Garbee | That is why I always removed the A/V software the school provided.
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07:54:43 PM | chrisreich | my system duplicates the system drive every morning 5 AM to an external drive.
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07:54:53 PM | Garbee | My teachers let me roll-my-own desktop.
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07:54:53 PM | GoodGuy | They were supposed to make a movie, but guess it was a false promise
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07:55:05 PM | agamotto | I do weekly backups to external drive, monthly image kept in safe deposit box
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07:55:05 PM | invinciblemutant | Thanks cat5, i am using pogoplug
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07:55:29 PM | ajamison5579 | McGuyver can take sand and refine the Silica himself and make the drive from scratch using only the materials int he room he is in
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07:55:44 PM | Guest_6477 | yeap me to kinda mad though my pogoplug video was recalled got a pogoplug pro now
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07:55:47 PM | GoodGuy | I thought Hitachi was the old IBM drives called Deskstar or commonly Deathstars
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07:55:52 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, I'd need to hire a bankvault or something, my data isn't worth that much :)
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07:55:52 PM | tic-toc | the flood
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07:55:59 PM | Garbee | Mathman47, There are ways to minimize the risk of data loss to almost nothing, but if armageddon hits nothing is safe.
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07:56:10 PM | Garbee | How can you use what you don't know?
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07:56:12 PM | ajamison5579 | How do you back up the cloud
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07:56:13 PM | Garbee | What is the cloud?
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07:56:32 PM | tic-toc | its were rain comes from
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07:56:38 PM | Mathman47 | If I'm dead I'm not too concerned about my data.
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07:56:38 PM | Garbee | Carbonite is nice and secure or you can use Amazon's EC2 service and build a backup setup there.
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07:56:38 PM | agamotto | Just make sure you encrypt anything you are backing up 'online.'
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07:56:39 PM | _Jot_ | Hitachi doesn't exist anymore (for harddrives), WD bought them
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07:57:01 PM | tic-toc | didnt know that
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07:57:05 PM | Mathman47 | Too much data to store in the cloud. And data limits by ISP.
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07:57:11 PM | _Jot_ | they will actually sell it to toshiba now
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07:57:17 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Another issue is if the government has a warrent for X person's data, and yours is on the same node, then they could get your data through that warrent.
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07:57:26 PM | agamotto | Steam would be a good example
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07:57:29 PM | GoodGuy | 1TB over the net should take a long time
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07:57:32 PM | _Jot_ | so there's only seagate, western digital and toshiba, for harddrives
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07:57:43 PM | chrisreich | and samsung
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07:57:54 PM | GoodGuy | CrashPlan is another
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07:58:05 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, S3 is cloud services, EC2 is specifically data storage.
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07:58:20 PM | invinciblemutant | with 5Mbps, 1GB will take 1 hour, 1TB will probably take 1000 hours
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07:58:21 PM | Garbee | ^^ iirc.
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07:58:25 PM | Guest_7690 | I hope there's not a test on this week
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07:58:31 PM | _Jot_ | samsung doesn't exist anymore for harddrives, seagate bought them
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07:58:34 PM | invinciblemutant | but will throttle your network for 1TB to transfer
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07:58:34 PM | Guest_7690 | next week
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07:58:35 PM | ajamison5579 | S3 is super expensive if your just backing up especially if your backup is 100's of gb
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07:58:38 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, More than that actually.
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07:58:43 PM | Garbee | It will degrade over time in speed.
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07:58:55 PM | Smittysmit | What is the general consenus on the security of Drop Box?
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07:59:08 PM | GoodGuy | not so hot Smittysmit
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07:59:09 PM | _Jot_ | Yay! Jot wins!
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07:59:12 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, Yea, because you are paying for storage and a virtual server to boot.
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07:59:18 PM | Garbee | EC2 to get just storage is cheap.
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07:59:20 PM | GoodGuy | Unless something changed
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07:59:21 PM | Guest_6477 | Robbie wandering is their any free software that would allow you to make a backup kinda like a stock recovery parttion that will allow restore by a simple button or option at startup??
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07:59:24 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, Can we get ErikKidds music again and the rest of the music and such too?
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07:59:42 PM | tic-toc | SS drive is a great improvement
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07:59:44 PM | Garbee | Guest_6477, You can use Clonezilla. Not exactly "button" but close enough.
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07:59:48 PM | Smittysmit | Goodguy zip files with a strong password?
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07:59:56 PM | Garbee | The only way to really do something like that setup is commercial software.
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07:59:56 PM | GoodGuy | Clonezilla with some BASH scripting maybe?
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08:00:24 PM | Guest_7690 | it blends with your shirt robbie
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08:00:28 PM | Garbee | Oh, you could roll your own image server and use Clonezilla to backup to that, then create a custom GRUB entry to pull X image from server and restore it.
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08:00:34 PM | Garbee | no, not GRUB entry.
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08:00:35 PM | GoodGuy | There is a free program for Windows to encrypt cloud data
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08:00:39 PM | invinciblemutant | Not one will revert to HDD from SSD
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08:00:42 PM | Garbee | Would need to be a network boot option.
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08:00:47 PM | GoodGuy | I saw it on MajorGeelks
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08:00:53 PM | Garbee | You are getting into pretty serious stuff there Guest_6477.
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08:00:54 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, jostling is no problem, you have enough cohosts to jostle everything around
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08:00:55 PM | GoodGuy | Majorgeeks
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08:00:58 PM | ajamison5579 | SSD's are still a bit pricey per gb
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08:01:09 PM | ajamison5579 | I have a 50gb one i use as an HDD cache
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08:01:19 PM | invinciblemutant | is samsung under seagate now?
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08:01:20 PM | tic-toc | worth it
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08:01:23 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, Lately SSD prices are dropping like a rock.
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08:01:32 PM | Mathman47 | Halliburton has a bad name in the US.
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08:01:34 PM | _Jot_ | invinciblemutant, the HDDs, yes
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08:01:34 PM | tic-toc | bye
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08:01:37 PM | invinciblemutant | _Jot_: samsung gave up its storage dept?
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08:01:40 PM | Guest_6477 | sorry for aking such a hard question lol
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08:01:48 PM | ajamison5579 | SSD cache for an HDD works great also
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08:01:51 PM | agamotto | invinciblemutant, sold it off some months ago
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08:01:57 PM | _Jot_ | http://drive.seagate.com/content/samsung-en-us
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08:01:57 PM | ErikaL | bye guys good night :)
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08:02:03 PM | GoodGuy | Go to Terabyte's site.. they have a doc file of making a recovery partition using their software
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08:02:04 PM | Garbee | Guest_6477, Not hard, just in depth. I could do it and possibly explain it.
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08:02:08 PM | _Jot_ | have a great night ErikaL
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08:02:25 PM | invinciblemutant | agamotto: ic, so samsung is focusing on smartphones now
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08:02:26 PM | Smittysmit | night all.
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08:02:42 PM | Garbee | That is one of those things though I will delegate to "If you need to ask, don't do it." Guest_6477.
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08:02:46 PM | GoodGuy | Might be able to substitute Clonezilla and other free software to do it a similar way
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08:03:07 PM | agamotto | Well, I think i will run off as well. i need to go to bed somewhat early tonight...
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08:03:08 PM | Garbee | Basically get your drive setup as bare as you could want it, then use Clonezilla to make an exact image.
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08:03:15 PM | GoodGuy | Iirc it is in their Image product knowledgebase
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08:03:15 PM | invinciblemutant | agamotto: Seagate need a new site other than thailand? Korea probably better than thailand, no flood?
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08:03:25 PM | Garbee | Then if any issues occur, just restore from that image. Not as automatic, but quick enough.
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08:03:41 PM | Guest_6477 | well thanks i was just wandering I have seen software like accronis can do it was just wandering if their was something free that could do the same sorta thing
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08:03:41 PM | agamotto | invinciblemutant, I think it was more along the lines of not making enough money on them
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08:03:57 PM | GoodGuy | He/she wanted a recovery partition type deal like some of the big name PC guys provide
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08:04:03 PM | Garbee | Guest_6477, There is, but it is a few packages and requires some very intense setup.
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08:04:21 PM | Garbee | I'd even go as far as saying multiple servers completely to delegate tasks too.
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08:04:21 PM | invinciblemutant | Magneting drive is moving from main storage to backup storage age now
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08:04:30 PM | Garbee | Including overhauling your network infrastucture to accomdate the setup.
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08:05:07 PM | invinciblemutant | We used to use magnetic tapes for backup, i think we are shifting to magneting disk now
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08:05:13 PM | Ron_Smith | night all
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08:05:25 PM | invinciblemutant | magnetic ...
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08:05:46 PM | _Jot_ | generally for backups, you want backups on at least 2 kinds of different media
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08:06:13 PM | Garbee | 3-2-1, 3 copies, 2 different medias, 1 off-site.
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08:06:31 PM | GoodGuy | http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=277
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08:06:32 PM | invinciblemutant | i mean on site...
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08:06:54 PM | GoodGuy | Take a look at that, but use free software like Clonezilla etc
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08:07:30 PM | GoodGuy | http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=351
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08:07:41 PM | invinciblemutant | today, i am facing a problem on backup off-site...from the UK to Asia pacific
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08:07:46 PM | GoodGuy | That is for the older version of their software
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08:08:04 PM | _Jot_ | invinciblemutant, that sounds like you need to go to the site to check it
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08:08:08 PM | Guest_6477 | just a quick question here kinda bassed off the last couple of min of the show i was able to catch wouldn't haveing your system plugged into a battery backup/line conditioner 100% protect you from surges aka the battery would be the only thing that is possibly killed in a surge?
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08:08:08 PM | GoodGuy | may have other ideas is the only reason I pasted it
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08:08:11 PM | invinciblemutant | the source network is >80Mbps, the target is just 5Mbps, ended up backup throttled my target network
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08:08:30 PM | Guest_6477 | somebody from geeksquad told me that
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08:08:34 PM | Garbee | Guest_6477, No. A powerful surge can still get through.
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08:08:43 PM | Garbee | It just takes enough electricity.
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08:08:50 PM | invinciblemutant | my target network went zombie ...lol
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08:08:52 PM | Garbee | Geeksquad != a good resource.
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08:09:00 PM | _Jot_ | Guest_6477, also lighting for example can damage electrical equipment that isn't even plugged in, let alone things plugged in
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08:09:02 PM | GoodGuy | also google this "create recovery partition"
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08:09:10 PM | Garbee | I know some guys that work there... only 2 in my local one are even half-way compitant.
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08:09:15 PM | GoodGuy | lol Amen Garbee
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08:09:15 PM | Garbee | (Can't spell that last word)
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08:09:22 PM | _Jot_ | competent
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08:09:40 PM | Garbee | Having a UPS does help majorly over a standard surge protector, but even that can still be worked around.
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08:10:11 PM | robgor | Hey RobbieF
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08:10:16 PM | RobbieF | hey robgor
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08:11:03 PM | invinciblemutant | ok..gonna go...
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08:11:07 PM | invinciblemutant | thanks guys...
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08:11:20 PM | invinciblemutant | cya
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08:11:23 PM | Guest_6477 | thanks goodguy for the links
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08:11:34 PM | robgor | in regards to my request about the networking I realise that its a vast area to cover, it wasnt for me as such was for someone else who is a beginner
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08:11:35 PM | invinciblemutant | gonna go for my breakfast
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08:11:36 PM | GoodGuy | welcome Guest_6477
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08:11:51 PM | Guest_6477 | thanks garbee for clearing that all up for me
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08:11:51 PM | Garbee | A tech guy at my school (the only competent one) was telling me he once saw lightening hit a ground on the building, as it was going down it jumped through an open window to a lamp, the lamp was plugged into a surge protector behind a UPS that also had a computer/monitor plugged in. So it ended up frying the computer/monitor because it was able to bypass the UPS.
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08:11:56 PM | RobbieF | sure robgor - well, let me know a use case and I'll do my best :)
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08:12:00 PM | Garbee | ^^One situation where a UPS won't help.
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08:13:01 PM | Guest_6477 | so basicly lol ill never be safe from surges lest i live in a grounded lead box
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08:13:06 PM | robgor | yeah I have looked online and havnt found anything real simple
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08:13:16 PM | Garbee | Exactly! You learned at least one thing tonight.
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08:13:32 PM | RobbieF | backup backup backup (redundantly) guest_6477
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08:13:46 PM | Garbee | robgor, What is the issue? I am certified in networking so I may be able to help.
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08:14:08 PM | _Jot_ | I had to learn something tonight? Darn, I missed that
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08:14:27 PM | robgor | RobbieF not really an issue as such
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08:15:18 PM | Garbee | Oh, in case you want to know Robbie, I updated the wiki a few weeks ago. Security update to stop a possible XSS attack.
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08:15:30 PM | Garbee | [ That one slipped from my mind... ]
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08:15:35 PM | GoodGuy | Then the lead poisoning will get you, so even that won't save you :-)
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08:15:39 PM | RobbieF | Thank you Garbee!
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08:15:58 PM | Garbee | I love how I remember *weeks* after the fact to fill you in though robbie.
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08:16:05 PM | Garbee | Major lag there.
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08:16:13 PM | _Jot_ | I had to learn something AND get lead poisening? Geez, I keep missing everything
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08:16:59 PM | robgor | RobbieF will send you a message about what I want latter
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08:17:09 PM | RobbieF | Thanks!
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08:17:10 PM | invinciblemutant | RobbieF: what is the best way to limit file transfer rate to pogoplugfs
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08:17:23 PM | RobbieF | qos perhaps?
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08:17:30 PM | Guest_6477 | on a lighter note i have been watching the show off and on for a while I tried the whole entropia universe but i find it to be a bit lonely as in it seems unless you know people you don't have a whole lot to do anyone know of anyother good free online games
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08:17:48 PM | RobbieF | guest_6477 we should meet up in game then :)
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08:17:53 PM | Garbee | +1 for qos. Since it is Linux you could even do it on-box so it doesn't affect the rest of the network.
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08:18:31 PM | invinciblemutant | qos on locally mounted drive?
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08:18:50 PM | Garbee | I like(d) Rappelz from gpotatoe. But forgot my password due to their insane rules on forcing users to change their password every X months so I don't have my account anymore.
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08:18:56 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: the reason to limit the speed is that it throttles my target network
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08:19:32 PM | Guest_6477 | lol thanks robbie i played online games back in the day i played old school everquest the original back in the day looking for something like that
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08:20:05 PM | invinciblemutant | i like to limit my linux so that pogoplugfs will not transfer to fast to the target...
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08:20:20 PM | Guest_6477 | guess I am being to picky lol gotta pay to have fun anymore lol
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08:20:29 PM | invinciblemutant | as pogoplugfs caches data, then it syncs to the target slowly
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08:20:37 PM | RobbieF | or just know someone who can give you a gun and some ammo :)
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08:20:38 PM | robgor | Robbie also came across an issue last night while on the website, not sure if it was on my end or not. Was typing out a question and site was very slow under ubuntu 12.04. My resources showed it was using 25% and 2gig of ram from 8gig. Rebooted and tried again under Win7 and was fine
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08:20:40 PM | invinciblemutant | which may take days for 100GB of data offsite
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08:21:06 PM | robgor | RobbieF also came across an issue last night while on the website, not sure if it was on my end or not. Was typing out a question and site was very slow under ubuntu 12.04. My resources showed it was using 25% and 2gig of ram from 8gig. Rebooted and tried again under Win7 and was fine
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08:21:24 PM | RobbieF | robgor we have indeed been going through some stuff... don't know if you follow my blog or not. Sorry for any trouble.
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08:22:23 PM | robgor | RobbieF yeah with a new site you are bound to have issues, just thought I would give you a heads up on it
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08:22:24 PM | GoodGuy | Guest_6477, what type of system did you want the Recovery patition for?
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08:22:31 PM | RobbieF | thank you
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08:22:41 PM | RobbieF | yes, we had to upgrade servers this week robgor
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08:23:20 PM | robgor | anyhow seya all have to get back to work.
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08:23:37 PM | Guest_6477 | my system is win7 amd 64 x2 8 gigs ram 1.5 tera harddrive radeon 5570 vid card
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08:23:44 PM | GoodGuy | http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/21978-Windows-7-OEM-Recovery-Partition-tools-creator-Free
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08:24:08 PM | GoodGuy | take a look at that for Windows 7 recovery partition
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08:24:18 PM | GoodGuy | sounds promising
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08:24:44 PM | Garbee | Or you can use the built in recovery media creation tool like a smart person.
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08:25:41 PM | invinciblemutant | RobbieF: I got what you mean now
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08:25:43 PM | GoodGuy | then you have to restore from the media (cd-DVD)
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08:25:46 PM | RobbieF | k
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08:25:52 PM | GoodGuy | much slower I would guess
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08:25:55 PM | invinciblemutant | RobbieF: thanks guys
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08:25:59 PM | RobbieF | np
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08:26:08 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, You can also send the medium to a HDD.
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08:26:18 PM | GoodGuy | True
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08:26:42 PM | GoodGuy | The factory PCs have a BIOS hook to make it easy
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08:27:19 PM | GoodGuy | Hit F11 and it recovers so the tech support person can walk newbies thru it easy
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08:27:29 PM | GoodGuy | F11 is just an example
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08:27:33 PM | Guest_6477 | ok i like that goodguy at the begining it says not to use it to backup a working system do they mean it won't work to do that or are they just saying you don't want to do that cause its not backing up off site or i mean off drive i understand i need to backup elsewhere to but is this just from media or not?
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08:28:31 PM | GoodGuy | I didn't read it much, but most recovery partitions restore a barebone system after a fresh install
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08:28:48 PM | GoodGuy | Not a system loaded with your current apps etc
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08:29:17 PM | Garbee | It wants you to have only services neccesary to Windows operation running when you use it.
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08:29:24 PM | invinciblemutant | RobbieF: are you using tc for qos?
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08:29:48 PM | Garbee | Further GoodGuy recovery partitions do not restore barebone, they restore how it came on the system. That means with all the bloatware and junk.
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08:29:59 PM | Garbee | The only "barebone" install is a true OEM disc from MS.
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08:30:12 PM | GoodGuy | also backing up a working system could mean it is a moving target
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08:30:24 PM | Guest_6477 | my other question is their some way i don't know if its posible but to take a bootcd something like hirens bootcd and somehow make a option to boot it from hard drive like a parttion and do a recovery from a backup thats made useing some of the software or would that be even harder
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08:30:44 PM | GoodGuy | I know the Image for Windows product can backup a running system, but I still don't do it
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08:31:02 PM | invinciblemutant | any good qos program on linux?
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08:31:21 PM | GoodGuy | My home pc isnt a mission critical pc I cant afford to shutdown
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08:31:55 PM | invinciblemutant | gui?
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08:32:08 PM | GoodGuy | Take a look at Plop Boot Manager and maybe email the author Guest_6477
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08:32:37 PM | GoodGuy | I use it to boot from flash drives my BIOS wont boot from
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08:33:12 PM | GoodGuy | It also booted a Puppy Linux from an added entry in my WinXP boot file
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08:33:54 PM | GoodGuy | I installed grub4dos iirc just following some directions I found earlier
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08:35:00 PM | GoodGuy | basically it brings up grub menu and can run some distros off the winxp partition
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08:36:02 PM | GoodGuy | http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html
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08:36:05 PM | Garbee | You are better of using something the like the YUMI USB Creator to make a flash drive that multi-boots distro's/tools.
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08:36:18 PM | Garbee | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
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08:36:25 PM | Guest_6477 | ok i will do that then i guess im sorrty to be getting to technical I was just wwandering is all ok thanks goodguy im the family go to pc guy and the family my grandparents as well are the ohh this pop up says click here i better do it ohh they need me to install this software so i can win something ok click here type
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08:36:26 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: what is the qos command on linux
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08:36:27 PM | invinciblemutant | ?
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08:36:31 PM | GoodGuy | You can post a question in his forums and likely get a quick answer
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08:36:34 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, It is messing with iptables.
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08:36:46 PM | Garbee | Something like: http://www.mikebabcock.ca/linux/qos_tc
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08:37:24 PM | GoodGuy | Most folks are glad to get all techie if possible
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08:38:24 PM | Guest_6477 | I tryed getting them to use linux and they wont just flat out refuse so i need something fairly simple so i dont have to travel all they way to there house when they inevitably mess it up so im trying to figure something that i can walk them through some simple instructions and poof computer goes back to normal
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08:38:36 PM | invinciblemutant | it is dangerous to mess with the iptables remotely
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08:38:38 PM | GoodGuy | If I get a popup for winning something, I hit Ctrl-Alt_delete iirc on Windows
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08:38:56 PM | Garbee | Honestly I would just reverse engineer whatever Smoothwall [ http://www.smoothwall.org/ ] does for their QoS.
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08:38:59 PM | GoodGuy | Brings up the task manager and I kill the browser if need be
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08:39:09 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, Not if you know what you are doing.
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08:39:13 PM | Guest_6477 | Im glad to but this goes on at least once a week somebody needs a restore or reformat cause they done put something on the pc
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08:39:36 PM | GoodGuy | I suggest trying software called SandBoxie
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08:39:52 PM | Garbee | Guest, What OS?
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08:39:55 PM | Guest_6477 | i used to use a product called deepfreeze but i dont have the money to buy a new version of it so i got to fix something up for them
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08:39:58 PM | Garbee | Sandboxie is actually quite easy to break out of.
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08:40:00 PM | GoodGuy | I think it is free with some extras if you pay
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08:40:09 PM | Garbee | DeepFreeze was free from MS for XP.
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08:40:11 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: it is still risky...
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08:40:32 PM | GoodGuy | I bought it a few years ago, but only used to to get a few modules I wanted
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08:40:40 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, It is risky if you mess up.
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08:40:48 PM | Garbee | Then again anything is.
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08:40:54 PM | invinciblemutant | lol...indeed, higher chance of that...
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08:40:57 PM | Garbee | just like rm -rf /* (don't actually run that people.)
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08:41:25 PM | GoodGuy | Sandboxie seemed like a neat idea, but I never read as much as I should
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08:41:31 PM | Guest_6477 | what all my directory are deleteing what .....
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08:41:38 PM | Guest_6477 | lol jus kidding
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08:41:40 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: tc is not built in on linux
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08:41:45 PM | GoodGuy | It did what I wanted at the time and sort of forgot about it
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08:42:29 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, Neither is nano last I checked, but it is still on many systems by default.
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08:42:50 PM | GoodGuy | RobbieF, did a show on VirtualBox.... you could have them run a web browser in that and make a snapshot while nothing is messed up
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08:42:53 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, Sandboxie was a great idea, but Darren Kitchen of Hak5 put it and a few other tools to the test and found out they weren't that great.
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08:43:06 PM | GoodGuy | assuming their pc has enough power
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08:43:23 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: Thanks dude, i really need to go
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08:43:30 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: thanks for help
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08:43:38 PM | Garbee | Any QoS is best handled locally anyways vs remotely.
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08:43:43 PM | Garbee | Just in case of screwups.
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08:43:45 PM | GoodGuy | I remember that episode Garbee , but hopefully it has improved since then
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08:43:55 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, It most likely hasn't.
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08:44:05 PM | GoodGuy | IIrc a Comodo product was his best choice
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08:44:18 PM | Garbee | Then again I am the guy who will do everything remotely just to avoid going places.
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08:44:34 PM | GoodGuy | The Sandboxie software has been updated numerous times since that show
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08:44:43 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, I recall that as well, but even then it failed in some areas. Plus is more resource intensive and I don't recommend Comodo products at all.
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08:44:58 PM | GoodGuy | I usually keep my software updated
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08:44:59 PM | Garbee | Updates does not mean it actually fixes security issues.
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08:45:14 PM | Garbee | VM's reign supreme for me when it comes to keeping things clean.
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08:45:24 PM | Garbee | Oh, also using common snese.
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08:45:26 PM | Garbee | sense*
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08:45:31 PM | Guest_6477 | is there any integration in windows with that good guy kinda like vmware fusion for mac where you can have the browser integrated in the start menu so you click on that and it just opens it like its a native app
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08:45:50 PM | Garbee | Guest_6477, There is. it is called Seemelss Mode.
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08:45:54 PM | Garbee | Seemless*
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08:45:59 PM | GoodGuy | It doesnt take a lot of concentration and makes you feel like you did something useful even if I arent feeling well
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08:46:38 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, What doesn't?
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08:46:51 PM | GoodGuy | I am not that good with it to know if that is possible
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08:46:56 PM | Guest_6477 | cool i didnt know if the windows version had that feature like the linux version had
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08:47:08 PM | GoodGuy | I am guessing a command line version would do it
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08:47:30 PM | GoodGuy | Updating my numerous Windows software apps
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08:48:00 PM | GoodGuy | I run FileHippos Update Checker and a program called SUMo
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08:48:22 PM | GoodGuy | Hand check a few apps that those dont find
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08:48:37 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, I just locked the New Website 2012 page on the wiki to Read Only since no more editing needs to be done to it. ofc we override this though by being admins in case you want to edit it anymore.
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08:48:53 PM | GoodGuy | sort of no brainer task, but feels like I did something semi useful
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08:49:45 PM | Guest_6477 | i wish the os would go the way of the movies i would kill to have a system that looked like the systems out of the tron legacy movie lol
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08:49:45 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, There is one peice of software for windows that checks for updates and will auto-install for you.
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08:50:04 PM | GoodGuy | Grab the VirtualBox help file or PDF manual
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08:50:19 PM | Garbee | The help is built in.
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08:50:20 PM | Garbee | F1
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08:50:34 PM | GoodGuy | It has a large amt of command line info
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08:50:37 PM | Garbee | Full manual is there and actually pretty easy to understand.
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08:50:48 PM | GoodGuy | Guessing it can load a VM and run it
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08:50:56 PM | Garbee | You shouldn't use Vbox from CLI unless you really know what you are doing.
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