Chat Logs for Episode 253 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


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With 59 Posts:agamotto
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With 42 Posts:_Jot_


Chat Logs:

06:58:02 PMagamotto robgor: I would if I could. I would also have the Nunavut send some cooling my way...
06:58:16 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, 1982 on the back of your shirt doesn't make you look youthful, thats ancient
06:58:50 PMrobgor LOL : shouldnt complain atleast it doesnt get to minus during the winter like some other places around the world
06:59:28 PMrobgor oh well seya guys
06:59:41 PM_Jot_ I wonder what the alcoholpercentage is in RobbieF's special drink
06:59:54 PMRobbieF ha!
07:00:05 PMagamotto At least Robbie doesn't have 'graphic prints' ruining his clothing.
07:00:09 PM_Jot_ it must be a lot since he keeps it locked up to keep it from scaping
07:01:00 PMagamotto He leaves as the show starts?
07:01:03 PM_Jot_ happy late birthday ErikaL
07:01:03 PMagamotto Hmmm
07:01:12 PMGarbee Honors... We don't need those.
07:01:19 PM_Jot_ congratulations on graduation too ErikaL
07:02:16 PMagamotto Slabs of coo beasties?
07:03:00 PM_Jot_ ErikaL, don't forget to count your fingers after handling knives
07:03:10 PMGoodGuy I got married so I didn't have to learn to cook :-)
07:03:29 PMagamotto ErikaL, Substitute spinach for lettuce and you can improve just about ANY salad.
07:03:49 PMGoodGuy Whatever she makes is good because better than anything I'd cook
07:04:04 PMchrisreich People of Earth, Greetings
07:04:11 PMagamotto Fresh Feta cheese can do wonders as well... yum
07:04:12 PMGoodGuy hi chrisreich
07:04:31 PMchrisreich Hey GoodGuy
07:04:34 PMGoodGuy That is cool!
07:04:47 PMagamotto Around here, we call that 'toobin.'
07:05:56 PM_Jot_ that mural is very different from what I expected but it looks nice
07:06:05 PMGarbee I had to lean over for my assistant principal to move my tassel because I (along with a handful of other students) were too tall for her.
07:06:09 PMagamotto Interesting
07:06:19 PMGoodGuy Our daughter graduated from college with a 4.0 gpa and had no desire to go to the graduation
07:06:33 PMagamotto Anything beats 'institutional' decor...
07:06:47 PMGoodGuy Our son fell asleep on the lawn at his, but we found him and woke him up in time
07:07:24 PMagamotto I had the distinction of being starkers under my robe at graduation...
07:07:39 PMGoodGuy Lucky no high winds
07:07:51 PM_Jot_ I never graduated, so I never went. Well, grade school, but that doesn't count
07:07:55 PMGoodGuy Is is an older PC
07:08:16 PMGoodGuy It stopped working on my newer pc and not on wife's older pc
07:08:37 PMagamotto No wind was one of the reasons i was so dressed.... 90+, no air, large gymnasium... I was somewhat comfortable, compared to most ;)
07:08:44 PMGoodGuy She has an older video card (nVidia based)
07:08:47 PMMathman47 I had the flu at my graduation & slept thru the whole thing.
07:09:07 PMGoodGuy I read older nVidia cards were screwing up Linux flash
07:09:11 PMTobi2 That might explain my issue!
07:09:43 PMagamotto Has anyone splashed out for any of the 6xx series cards yet?
07:10:01 PMGarbee Is it just me or does the video look off tonight?
07:10:05 PM_Jot_ I have a 7 series, a 7900, but that's ancient
07:10:18 PMGarbee It looks like he isn't using the MS Lifecam Studio's tonight.
07:10:20 PMGoodGuy I tried the adobe flash test and that failed
07:10:24 PMagamotto Garbee, I think it is just Robbie's shirt blowing out the color filters :)
07:10:26 PM_Jot_ oh, and a series 8, 8800 :P
07:10:33 PMchrisreich Eric Kidd looks really fine tonight, Garbee.
07:10:41 PMErikaL ahahhahahah :)
07:10:44 PMGoodGuy I agree... video isnt as high quality as usual Garbee
07:10:52 PMGarbee ErikaL, I'm glad you took that as a joke.
07:11:54 PMGarbee RobbieF, You are failing as well.
07:12:07 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, ErikaL, you should mention that shirt says 1982 on the back, so it's just ancient and pathetic
07:12:21 PMagamotto I can't criticize, as i love wearing day-glo colors myself
07:12:29 PMGarbee What did I say in this email?
07:13:11 PMGoodGuy Wife wants to get me on What Not to Wear
07:13:45 PMGarbee Hostnames in Linux are typically stored in /etc/hostname for those who care to know.
07:13:46 PMagamotto GoodGuy, if you haven't been featured on 'People of Walmart,' you are probably safe.
07:13:59 PMGoodGuy lol... not yet
07:14:04 PMGarbee Plus it breaks certain routing protocols.
07:14:07 PMGuest_7690 hi robbie and erika
07:14:13 PMagamotto GoodGuy, Alternatively, find a gay friend and have him help you pick out some spearates.
07:14:19 PMRobbieF Hey Guest_7690
07:14:53 PMGuest_7690 where did u buy your shirt
07:14:58 PMGoodGuy I rarely leave the house and when I do it is usually garage sales.. its a county fair, so it gets ppl talking
07:15:05 PMagamotto I still have to sew labels into my dad's clothes, as he is quite color-blind
07:15:16 PMGoodGuy Armada County Fair in Michigan
07:15:59 PMagamotto I made it out to two county faires in our area this year... lots of fun, especially when you avoid the fried foods
07:17:17 PMGarbee No: make && make install && ./install does not always work.
07:17:19 PMagamotto BTW, if you didn't go to the 25th Anniversary of ST:TNG event at the theaters last night, you didn't miss much. It was essentially a 2 1/2 hour commercial for the Blu-Ray ST:TNG set release.
07:17:38 PMGarbee haha
07:17:47 PM_Jot_ yay, Jot Wins yet again!
07:18:24 PMGarbee ErikaL, If you were installing Zorin, there are known install issues.
07:18:32 PMagamotto No internet for a month?!?!!?!?!!?
07:18:52 PMagamotto I can handle a week or so while camping... but come-on!
07:18:54 PMErikaL YEAH no internet
07:18:59 PMGoodGuy had to see wife safe to her car
07:19:01 PMErikaL im on a campng resort
07:19:08 PMSmittysmit agamotto do you go to the Renassance festival in Holly, MI?
07:19:30 PMajamison5579 Internet is the new go to drug for this Millenium
07:19:35 PMagamotto Smittysmit, No, but I have been to the one near Chicago a couple of times
07:19:46 PMajamison5579 so being without it is a bit of a downe
07:19:48 PMGuest_7690 delawana inn is a luxury resort not a camping resort
07:19:51 PMajamison5579 downer
07:19:57 PMErikaL i dont have that mnay issues though ive been fishing
07:20:12 PMGoodGuy Real Middle Age wars a few miles away from Holly in Flint MI lol
07:20:12 PMSmittysmit agamotto you are in Michigan?
07:20:12 PMagamotto ErikaL, Can't get/rent pay as you go mobile net?
07:20:56 PMagamotto Smittysmit, nope... Moline, Il. On the Mississippi
07:21:04 PMGoodGuy You didnt learn Windows in a day
07:21:23 PMErikaL no i still have a t9 phone pad /flippy phone
07:21:27 PMGuest_7690 its is weird I was in the UK
07:21:41 PM_Jot_ enjoy it while you can ErikaL
07:21:41 PMErikaL i also have three room mates
07:22:04 PMGoodGuy to be fair Windows doesnt have repositories for application software
07:22:09 PMagamotto ErikaL, That's ok, I have a 'stupidphone' as well... actually prefer it, as I can actually make calls :)
07:22:26 PMGoodGuy Have to manually keep apps updated
07:22:50 PMErikaL i am though i get to kayak, fish , bike ,run, explore , watch good old movies again :) for two months also prep food for the resort every day
07:23:00 PMGoodGuy I am thinking of getting an iTouch and keep my stupid phone
07:23:09 PMajamison5579 Goodguy I hear windows 8 will have some form of repository like function for apps bought on the windows 8 market
07:23:16 PMGoodGuy I basically want an iPhone w/o the phone part
07:23:30 PMGoodGuy Thats a start ajamison5579
07:23:35 PMagamotto GoodGuy, ipod Touch?
07:23:37 PMchrisreich_ That would be an iPod Touch, GoogGuy.
07:23:46 PMErikaL I agree (goodguy)
07:23:48 PMKB hello, is there any better video conferencing s/w other than skype or oovoo
07:23:49 PMGuest_7690 erika must be nice to be on your own all summer
07:23:50 PMGarbee Win 8 will have a repo function but it is *locked* to things sold there, which is at MS's descretion.
07:23:52 PMGoodGuy But I own a large number of shareware and freeware apps
07:23:59 PMErikaL i want the same not the expensive contract
07:24:07 PMGarbee Also, no other way to get Metro apps in unless you get the source code and compile it yourself.
07:24:08 PMGoodGuy Take a lot of work on the part of Win 8
07:24:13 PMErikaL reason why i have no smart or i phone :P
07:24:26 PMagamotto ErikaL, understood
07:24:28 PMchrisreich_ DRINK!
07:24:37 PMajamison5579 Goodguy have you run into any issues running Win 7 progs on Win 8?
07:24:37 PMGarbee GoodGuy, There is software that will check for app updates for you, and even auto-update as well if you wish.
07:24:40 PMErikaL lol i do
07:24:54 PMchrisreich_ DRINK!
07:25:00 PMagamotto Secunia PSI is a reasonable one
07:25:09 PMGarbee ajamison5579, The only issues will be games. Anything other than that should work just fine unless the software dev was lazy and/or stupid.
07:25:27 PMGarbee agamotto, That is the one I was thinking of. Just couldn't come up with the name. Thanks.
07:25:33 PMajamison5579 So none of my games will work in Windows 8?
07:26:01 PMGarbee ajamison5579, They will, but there might be some issues with the Metro UI.
07:26:05 PMagamotto ajamison5579, Should, but there might be surprises along the way
07:26:13 PMGarbee Then again I haven't touched the RTM bits, so they could have fixed it.
07:26:15 PMGoodGuy I am still running WinXP
07:26:33 PMchrisreich DRINK!
07:26:39 PMGarbee It is mainly fullscreen games that are the issue. Like I played KOTOR and has some issues with explorer being targeted when it shouldn't have.
07:26:50 PMGoodGuy I bought one of those pre release copies of Win 7 but never opened the box iirc
07:26:55 PMGarbee chrisreich, Why do you keep yelling drink?
07:27:00 PMajamison5579 hmm I might wait a while then for the games to get win 8 compatibility update to upgrade to win 8
07:27:01 PMGoodGuy Know I never installed it
07:27:21 PMGarbee ajamison5579, Don't bother. Just stick to a 7 box for gaming and 8 for all daily work.
07:27:31 PMGarbee Most game devs won't update.
07:27:35 PMGoodGuy It seemed ;like too much work to install and setup all my software
07:27:48 PMchrisreich Garbee - Every time RobbieF mispronounces something - we all take a drink!
07:27:52 PMajamison5579 Garbee I really do not want to run two seperate machines it uses more electricity then i need
07:28:10 PMSmittysmit If I dont know it...I read EULA's
07:28:11 PMGarbee chrisreich, No we don't.
07:28:12 PMagamotto ajamison5579, keep 7 until 8 has been out at least a year
07:28:20 PMGoodGuy Get a Raspberry Pi lol
07:28:23 PMGarbee ajamison5579, No it doesn't... Dual boot dude.
07:28:25 PMGuest_7690 and me without a drink
07:28:33 PMGoodGuy very low energy most likely
07:29:24 PMinvinciblemutant a bit slow here
07:29:30 PMGuest_7690 thanks agamotto :)
07:29:30 PMGarbee I am trying to figure out how the Win 8 explorer UI is going to look when finished. They are removing Aero and I'm hoping they don't make it look like the Office 2013 preview which is this ugly white for everything and no way to change it.
07:29:45 PMagamotto Hrm
07:29:46 PMGoodGuy My wife insisted she must have Windows Spider Solitaire.... I ran it under CrossOver Linux and she happily uses Ubuntu 11.04 iirc
07:29:54 PMGoodGuy One without Unity
07:30:19 PM_Jot_ goodguy, did you change the title of the solitaire?
07:30:39 PMGoodGuy The Unity version was too slow .. not the new LTS one
07:30:45 PMGoodGuy 11.10
07:30:51 PMagamotto Why don't we just ban BOTH companies' devices until they settle the issue?
07:31:09 PMGoodGuy No, I left the same name and gave her a desktop icon
07:31:33 PMagamotto 'The new Chrysler LeBaron... with rrrrich, Corinthian leahther...'
07:31:44 PMajamison5579 Garbee that is one of my biggest beefs with Win 8 it seems to go backward in terms of graphics almost like 2012 tech in a win 3.1.4 package
07:31:53 PMGoodGuy Her Windows XP was freezing up often, so that got her willing to try Ubuntu and never looked back
07:31:55 PMGarbee RobbieF, Because he got smart with 3.0 and changed the naming scheme for Kernel releases.
07:32:15 PMGarbee Made it more time-release friendly vs the old time + engineering friendly.
07:32:16 PMagamotto GoodGuy, good job
07:32:52 PMGarbee ajamison5579, It is all for a good reason, but I just need a choice that is not white. White is horrible when looking at for long periods.
07:33:16 PMagamotto Somehow, i get the feeling that someone in the US government will try to offer M$ a bail-out.
07:33:20 PMajamison5579 Garbee maybe offer multiple shades that you choose from durring install
07:33:21 PMGarbee I in fact love the way things look in screenshots of builds w/o aero, as long as I can change the color.
07:34:00 PMGarbee ajamison5579, No, that is stupid. They do it for Metro which they should, but for explorer it needs to be how it is now which is in the Personalization area.
07:34:07 PMGoodGuy Hard to compete with free
07:34:16 PMagamotto The OS no longer matters to most... it just needs to run 'their' software for whatever tasks...
07:34:16 PMGuest_7690 still have a black berry :(
07:34:22 PMGarbee Making it a choice during install would just be confusing and add clutter.
07:34:24 PMGoodGuy Status symbol
07:35:02 PMajamison5579 I can see that becoming a vessel for spam
07:35:03 PMGarbee I love how the Windows team is making things brighter but the VS team knows the problems with that and is making things darker.
07:35:14 PMajamison5579 and spyware
07:35:15 PMGarbee VS = Visual Studio ^^
07:35:30 PMajamison5579 refering to chirp
07:36:02 PMGarbee haha-ha
07:36:14 PMGarbee I'm guessing this is node.js based.
07:36:51 PMajamison5579 Robbief can we say Mass random Spam
07:36:54 PMGuest_7690 yes I can hear sounds like r2d2
07:36:57 PMGoodGuy is that Near Field Communications?
07:37:04 PMajamison5579 that is what i see Chirp as
07:37:10 PMGarbee GoodGuy, No, it is web based.
07:37:11 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, stop playing with your thingy, you have a show to do!
07:37:18 PMGarbee i devices don't have NFC iirc.
07:37:20 PMGoodGuy Ok
07:37:20 PMRon__ Hey it is R2D2
07:37:42 PMGuest_7690 next week on cat 5 meet r2d2
07:38:11 PMGoodGuy If it goes over the web, how can it do it w/o wi-fi, wired etc
07:38:36 PMagamotto So, essentially, it is an audio-modem that is waiting to 'hear' something like AT codes...
07:38:51 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, you do know that is how homecomputers saved things on casettes for decades, right?
07:39:15 PMinvinciblemutant robertf: netflix is not avail in all countries
07:39:19 PMGoodGuy 300 baud acostic couplers live again! it is Deju Vu all over again
07:39:19 PMSmittysmit Netflix on Linux now??????
07:39:33 PMagamotto sadly, no
07:39:37 PMGuest_7690 loved sliders lol
07:39:41 PMinvinciblemutant You no need to install anything, should run on browser right?
07:39:48 PMSmittysmit N'uff said
07:40:10 PMajamison5579 Sliders I loved that show
07:40:30 PMagamotto Kids in the Hall
07:40:39 PMGarbee Oh, Chrip is basically transforming bits into an audio signal which the app can pick up and then re-transfer back into bits.
07:40:41 PMajamison5579 I like Airwolf also
07:40:43 PMGoodGuy I want Jerico back or I wont watch CBS except football
07:40:55 PMGarbee It has a standard conversion method it uses so all other apps can pick up the data.
07:40:58 PM_Jot_ Garbee, yes, welcome to the party
07:41:12 PMGarbee I had to go to the itunes page for it in order to figure it out.
07:41:16 PMGoodGuy modern acostic coupler
07:41:26 PMGoodGuy acoustic
07:41:28 PMinvinciblemutant I think the reason for difference is the licensing of the media
07:41:42 PMagamotto Airwolf? Was that the one about the helicopter?
07:41:47 PMajamison5579 yes
07:42:47 PMGarbee "Sharing requires a network connection"... So it actually (most likely) uploads the file, sends out a chirp associated with the item on the server, then other clients that pick up that signal download the item from the server by using the unique audio id that was picked up.
07:42:48 PMagamotto RobbieF, Studio greed usually. They want Canada and other countries to wait until they extract the most dosh out of US users. Just as I can't pay the Beeb to legally use iPlayer here in the US.
07:42:51 PMGoodGuy The WD Live TV box with Netflix had the filesystem encrypted, so B-Rad and helpers couldn't hack it
07:42:52 PMGuest_7690 airwolf was awesome I wished they would rerun that show
07:42:53 PM_Jot_ I think I'm going to make a device that chirps 'ATM0 - thanks for thinking of the social environment'
07:43:26 PMGoodGuy Slingplayer RobbieF ?
07:43:50 PMGoodGuy Wonder if that has national restrictions
07:43:54 PMGarbee RobbieF, Also IE 6-9 are all not the real web.
07:44:18 PMtic-toc I keep forgetting the live time
07:44:21 PMGoodGuy ErikaL, - Clean Outhouses?
07:44:38 PM_Jot_ outhouses? I hear they just dig a ditch for that
07:44:43 PMGuest_7690 that's where her food winds up
07:44:45 PMagamotto latrines
07:44:48 PMGoodGuy I was asking if the outhouse was clean where you are staying
07:44:52 PMtic-toc mic
07:44:54 PMajamison5579 mice went out
07:44:54 PMGarbee RobbieF, Erika's mic just went out.
07:44:58 PMGoodGuy sound primitive :-)
07:45:02 PMGoodGuy sounds
07:45:03 PMGarbee Check them battaries.!
07:45:04 PMMathman47 No sound
07:45:10 PMajamison5579 there we go
07:45:11 PMGarbee It is back now.
07:45:13 PMajamison5579 its back
07:45:13 PMtic-toc yep
07:45:14 PM_Jot_ working now
07:45:15 PMagamotto ok now
07:45:15 PMSmittysmit yes
07:45:18 PMMathman47 OK now
07:45:26 PMGarbee I don't see any
07:45:30 PMGarbee Cat5 bars anywhere.
07:45:43 PMMathman47 We can hear it all the way in Chicago!
07:45:47 PMGarbee I'm getting 2 right now.
07:46:04 PMGarbee joedemax, must be like " What do these people do for an hour?"
07:46:14 PMGoodGuy I used to date a girl whose parents had a cabin up north.... outhouse only
07:46:14 PMjoedemax GURRR I FORGOT
07:46:15 PMjoedemax link me
07:46:19 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, very carefully, obviously
07:46:19 PMinvinciblemutant is pogoplug still sponsoring cat5tv?
07:46:20 PMagamotto I just did my backup two nights ago
07:46:23 PMGarbee http://live.cat5.tv
07:46:29 PMGarbee 14 minutes left though.
07:46:31 PMGarbee :/
07:46:34 PMjoedemax got it
07:46:43 PMGarbee I will be sure to hit you next week before the show starts.
07:46:44 PMjoedemax :
07:46:44 PMSmittysmit Luv my dropbox
07:46:46 PMtic-toc that's more than most people do
07:46:47 PMjoedemax :(
07:46:48 PMjoedemax thx Garbee
07:47:13 PMGarbee I'm going to try to corall a few people from other chatrooms in next week.
07:47:25 PMinvinciblemutant time machine on mac
07:47:47 PMagamotto Clickfree? Those only work on Win/Mac, I thought
07:47:53 PMGoodGuy new point of failure
07:47:58 PMSmittysmit I think the cloud is the future
07:48:15 PMagamotto The cloud will be how it all unravels
07:48:16 PMtic-toc burn a disk too
07:48:31 PMinvinciblemutant use cloud service
07:48:45 PMinvinciblemutant skydrive, dropbox
07:48:52 PMtic-toc 3-4 backups
07:49:00 PMinvinciblemutant ubuntuone
07:49:19 PMSmittysmit agamotto yes, your data is only important as your last backup...pogo plug included
07:49:21 PMagamotto paper-tape... should last ~500years
07:49:31 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, it is even worse now all the manufuacturers (all 2) offer only 1 year warranty for almost all models
07:49:36 PMtic-toc we are cursed now
07:49:50 PMGoodGuy Tekzilla says the same thing about backups
07:49:53 PMMathman47 RAID 1 = always backed-up.
07:50:01 PMGarbee RobbieF, I do. Mine is going to crash in 3 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 35 seconds, 25 milliseconds. That is as close as I can get.
07:50:03 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: Not true, most of them offer 3 years, WD 2 years for ext drives
07:50:12 PM_Jot_ not anymore invinciblemutant
07:50:24 PMGoodGuy What about a fire, etc
07:50:27 PMGarbee No it isn't.
07:50:28 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: My SSD crashed within 2 months
07:50:30 PMagamotto invinciblemutant, check again... most dropped their coverage after the Thai flooding
07:50:36 PMGarbee Once that array fries, where is the backup?
07:50:39 PMSmittysmit Mathman74 what if a power surge takes out the system?
07:50:41 PMtic-toc isnt raid 5 better
07:51:02 PMGoodGuy Robbers
07:51:04 PMGarbee tic-toc, For speed yes.
07:51:11 PMGoodGuy Like visited Cat5
07:51:13 PMMathman47 Then I'll bring out of of my other 2 backups!
07:51:27 PMajamison5579 I no use RAID
07:51:28 PMagamotto What if there is an alien invasion, or an EMP strike.... backup, but don't lose your minds
07:51:30 PMMathman47 *one
07:51:32 PMtic-toc I thought raid 0 was for speed
07:51:32 PM_Jot_ many RAID is bad because if you lose a disk, you lose the whole array in many cases
07:51:42 PMajamison5579 to many issues with configuration
07:51:43 PMchrisreich no system is perfect. It's all about managing the risk.
07:51:52 PMGarbee RAID 1 +50 or 10 + 50 = Super nice setups.
07:52:00 PMGoodGuy Hey I saw an EMP strike on the TV show Jerico :-)
07:52:14 PMinvinciblemutant agamotto: You are right, but at least SSD are having 3 years
07:52:17 PMMathman47 No surge - UPS.
07:52:21 PMGarbee For those who don't know, that is stacking RAIDS for super performance and redundancy.
07:52:34 PMGarbee Mathman47, UPS is no gaurentee.
07:52:35 PMGoodGuy One of the heros had a govt issued hardened laptop
07:52:35 PMSmittysmit So what are Robbie's suggestions????
07:52:52 PMMathman47 Garbee: why?
07:52:54 PMinvinciblemutant hitachi and WD are having 2 years still
07:52:56 PMagamotto GoodGuy, One of the few shows I really liked
07:53:03 PMajamison5579 since RAID 1 is a mirrored set can you upgrade to RAID 1 from a non-raid
07:53:04 PMSmittysmit We all fail to reaplace batteries in the UPS.
07:53:06 PMinvinciblemutant perhaps seagate has reduced to 1 year
07:53:13 PMGarbee Mathman47, If lightening strikes the right place, it can still not help due to getting overcharged.
07:53:14 PMtic-toc I was a ugly kid, I wish those pictures would get lost
07:53:24 PMGarbee Mathman47, Basically, if you throw a scenario at me I can break it.
07:53:25 PMGoodGuy We loved that show... it was too believable to keep on TV
07:53:30 PMagamotto Smittysmit, speak for yourself. I replace mine every three years, regardless of status
07:53:38 PMGuest_7690 not me :(
07:53:43 PMMathman47 And this could go on forever. Then nothing is safe.
07:53:43 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, unraid, but no external backup, no place to store them
07:53:46 PMinvinciblemutant agamotto: buffalo 2 years
07:53:54 PMinvinciblemutant Samsung 3 years
07:53:54 PMGoodGuy We joined in the protest sending CBS NUTS lol
07:54:10 PMagamotto GoodGuy, so did i :)
07:54:28 PMtic-toc Is hitachi still the best HD
07:54:34 PMajamison5579 McGuyver would just get some ductape and fix it
07:54:39 PMGarbee That is why I always removed the A/V software the school provided.
07:54:43 PMchrisreich my system duplicates the system drive every morning 5 AM to an external drive.
07:54:53 PMGarbee My teachers let me roll-my-own desktop.
07:54:53 PMGoodGuy They were supposed to make a movie, but guess it was a false promise
07:55:05 PMagamotto I do weekly backups to external drive, monthly image kept in safe deposit box
07:55:05 PMinvinciblemutant Thanks cat5, i am using pogoplug
07:55:29 PMajamison5579 McGuyver can take sand and refine the Silica himself and make the drive from scratch using only the materials int he room he is in
07:55:44 PMGuest_6477 yeap me to kinda mad though my pogoplug video was recalled got a pogoplug pro now
07:55:47 PMGoodGuy I thought Hitachi was the old IBM drives called Deskstar or commonly Deathstars
07:55:52 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, I'd need to hire a bankvault or something, my data isn't worth that much :)
07:55:52 PMtic-toc the flood
07:55:59 PMGarbee Mathman47, There are ways to minimize the risk of data loss to almost nothing, but if armageddon hits nothing is safe.
07:56:10 PMGarbee How can you use what you don't know?
07:56:12 PMajamison5579 How do you back up the cloud
07:56:13 PMGarbee What is the cloud?
07:56:32 PMtic-toc its were rain comes from
07:56:38 PMMathman47 If I'm dead I'm not too concerned about my data.
07:56:38 PMGarbee Carbonite is nice and secure or you can use Amazon's EC2 service and build a backup setup there.
07:56:38 PMagamotto Just make sure you encrypt anything you are backing up 'online.'
07:56:39 PM_Jot_ Hitachi doesn't exist anymore (for harddrives), WD bought them
07:57:01 PMtic-toc didnt know that
07:57:05 PMMathman47 Too much data to store in the cloud. And data limits by ISP.
07:57:11 PM_Jot_ they will actually sell it to toshiba now
07:57:17 PMGarbee RobbieF, Another issue is if the government has a warrent for X person's data, and yours is on the same node, then they could get your data through that warrent.
07:57:26 PMagamotto Steam would be a good example
07:57:29 PMGoodGuy 1TB over the net should take a long time
07:57:32 PM_Jot_ so there's only seagate, western digital and toshiba, for harddrives
07:57:43 PMchrisreich and samsung
07:57:54 PMGoodGuy CrashPlan is another
07:58:05 PMGarbee RobbieF, S3 is cloud services, EC2 is specifically data storage.
07:58:20 PMinvinciblemutant with 5Mbps, 1GB will take 1 hour, 1TB will probably take 1000 hours
07:58:21 PMGarbee ^^ iirc.
07:58:25 PMGuest_7690 I hope there's not a test on this week
07:58:31 PM_Jot_ samsung doesn't exist anymore for harddrives, seagate bought them
07:58:34 PMinvinciblemutant but will throttle your network for 1TB to transfer
07:58:34 PMGuest_7690 next week
07:58:35 PMajamison5579 S3 is super expensive if your just backing up especially if your backup is 100's of gb
07:58:38 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, More than that actually.
07:58:43 PMGarbee It will degrade over time in speed.
07:58:55 PMSmittysmit What is the general consenus on the security of Drop Box?
07:59:08 PMGoodGuy not so hot Smittysmit
07:59:09 PM_Jot_ Yay! Jot wins!
07:59:12 PMGarbee ajamison5579, Yea, because you are paying for storage and a virtual server to boot.
07:59:18 PMGarbee EC2 to get just storage is cheap.
07:59:20 PMGoodGuy Unless something changed
07:59:21 PMGuest_6477 Robbie wandering is their any free software that would allow you to make a backup kinda like a stock recovery parttion that will allow restore by a simple button or option at startup??
07:59:24 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, Can we get ErikKidds music again and the rest of the music and such too?
07:59:42 PMtic-toc SS drive is a great improvement
07:59:44 PMGarbee Guest_6477, You can use Clonezilla. Not exactly "button" but close enough.
07:59:48 PMSmittysmit Goodguy zip files with a strong password?
07:59:56 PMGarbee The only way to really do something like that setup is commercial software.
07:59:56 PMGoodGuy Clonezilla with some BASH scripting maybe?
08:00:24 PMGuest_7690 it blends with your shirt robbie
08:00:28 PMGarbee Oh, you could roll your own image server and use Clonezilla to backup to that, then create a custom GRUB entry to pull X image from server and restore it.
08:00:34 PMGarbee no, not GRUB entry.
08:00:35 PMGoodGuy There is a free program for Windows to encrypt cloud data
08:00:39 PMinvinciblemutant Not one will revert to HDD from SSD
08:00:42 PMGarbee Would need to be a network boot option.
08:00:47 PMGoodGuy I saw it on MajorGeelks
08:00:53 PMGarbee You are getting into pretty serious stuff there Guest_6477.
08:00:54 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, jostling is no problem, you have enough cohosts to jostle everything around
08:00:55 PMGoodGuy Majorgeeks
08:00:58 PMajamison5579 SSD's are still a bit pricey per gb
08:01:09 PMajamison5579 I have a 50gb one i use as an HDD cache
08:01:19 PMinvinciblemutant is samsung under seagate now?
08:01:20 PMtic-toc worth it
08:01:23 PMGarbee ajamison5579, Lately SSD prices are dropping like a rock.
08:01:32 PMMathman47 Halliburton has a bad name in the US.
08:01:34 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, the HDDs, yes
08:01:34 PMtic-toc bye
08:01:37 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: samsung gave up its storage dept?
08:01:40 PMGuest_6477 sorry for aking such a hard question lol
08:01:48 PMajamison5579 SSD cache for an HDD works great also
08:01:51 PMagamotto invinciblemutant, sold it off some months ago
08:01:57 PM_Jot_ http://drive.seagate.com/content/samsung-en-us
08:01:57 PMErikaL bye guys good night :)
08:02:03 PMGoodGuy Go to Terabyte's site.. they have a doc file of making a recovery partition using their software
08:02:04 PMGarbee Guest_6477, Not hard, just in depth. I could do it and possibly explain it.
08:02:08 PM_Jot_ have a great night ErikaL
08:02:25 PMinvinciblemutant agamotto: ic, so samsung is focusing on smartphones now
08:02:26 PMSmittysmit night all.
08:02:42 PMGarbee That is one of those things though I will delegate to "If you need to ask, don't do it." Guest_6477.
08:02:46 PMGoodGuy Might be able to substitute Clonezilla and other free software to do it a similar way
08:03:07 PMagamotto Well, I think i will run off as well. i need to go to bed somewhat early tonight...
08:03:08 PMGarbee Basically get your drive setup as bare as you could want it, then use Clonezilla to make an exact image.
08:03:15 PMGoodGuy Iirc it is in their Image product knowledgebase
08:03:15 PMinvinciblemutant agamotto: Seagate need a new site other than thailand? Korea probably better than thailand, no flood?
08:03:25 PMGarbee Then if any issues occur, just restore from that image. Not as automatic, but quick enough.
08:03:41 PMGuest_6477 well thanks i was just wandering I have seen software like accronis can do it was just wandering if their was something free that could do the same sorta thing
08:03:41 PMagamotto invinciblemutant, I think it was more along the lines of not making enough money on them
08:03:57 PMGoodGuy He/she wanted a recovery partition type deal like some of the big name PC guys provide
08:04:03 PMGarbee Guest_6477, There is, but it is a few packages and requires some very intense setup.
08:04:21 PMGarbee I'd even go as far as saying multiple servers completely to delegate tasks too.
08:04:21 PMinvinciblemutant Magneting drive is moving from main storage to backup storage age now
08:04:30 PMGarbee Including overhauling your network infrastucture to accomdate the setup.
08:05:07 PMinvinciblemutant We used to use magnetic tapes for backup, i think we are shifting to magneting disk now
08:05:13 PMRon_Smith night all
08:05:25 PMinvinciblemutant magnetic ...
08:05:46 PM_Jot_ generally for backups, you want backups on at least 2 kinds of different media
08:06:13 PMGarbee 3-2-1, 3 copies, 2 different medias, 1 off-site.
08:06:31 PMGoodGuy http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=277
08:06:32 PMinvinciblemutant i mean on site...
08:06:54 PMGoodGuy Take a look at that, but use free software like Clonezilla etc
08:07:30 PMGoodGuy http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=351
08:07:41 PMinvinciblemutant today, i am facing a problem on backup off-site...from the UK to Asia pacific
08:07:46 PMGoodGuy That is for the older version of their software
08:08:04 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, that sounds like you need to go to the site to check it
08:08:08 PMGuest_6477 just a quick question here kinda bassed off the last couple of min of the show i was able to catch wouldn't haveing your system plugged into a battery backup/line conditioner 100% protect you from surges aka the battery would be the only thing that is possibly killed in a surge?
08:08:08 PMGoodGuy may have other ideas is the only reason I pasted it
08:08:11 PMinvinciblemutant the source network is >80Mbps, the target is just 5Mbps, ended up backup throttled my target network
08:08:30 PMGuest_6477 somebody from geeksquad told me that
08:08:34 PMGarbee Guest_6477, No. A powerful surge can still get through.
08:08:43 PMGarbee It just takes enough electricity.
08:08:50 PMinvinciblemutant my target network went zombie ...lol
08:08:52 PMGarbee Geeksquad != a good resource.
08:09:00 PM_Jot_ Guest_6477, also lighting for example can damage electrical equipment that isn't even plugged in, let alone things plugged in
08:09:02 PMGoodGuy also google this "create recovery partition"
08:09:10 PMGarbee I know some guys that work there... only 2 in my local one are even half-way compitant.
08:09:15 PMGoodGuy lol Amen Garbee
08:09:15 PMGarbee (Can't spell that last word)
08:09:22 PM_Jot_ competent
08:09:40 PMGarbee Having a UPS does help majorly over a standard surge protector, but even that can still be worked around.
08:10:11 PMrobgor Hey RobbieF
08:10:16 PMRobbieF hey robgor
08:11:03 PMinvinciblemutant ok..gonna go...
08:11:07 PMinvinciblemutant thanks guys...
08:11:20 PMinvinciblemutant cya
08:11:23 PMGuest_6477 thanks goodguy for the links
08:11:34 PMrobgor in regards to my request about the networking I realise that its a vast area to cover, it wasnt for me as such was for someone else who is a beginner
08:11:35 PMinvinciblemutant gonna go for my breakfast
08:11:36 PMGoodGuy welcome Guest_6477
08:11:51 PMGuest_6477 thanks garbee for clearing that all up for me
08:11:51 PMGarbee A tech guy at my school (the only competent one) was telling me he once saw lightening hit a ground on the building, as it was going down it jumped through an open window to a lamp, the lamp was plugged into a surge protector behind a UPS that also had a computer/monitor plugged in. So it ended up frying the computer/monitor because it was able to bypass the UPS.
08:11:56 PMRobbieF sure robgor - well, let me know a use case and I'll do my best :)
08:12:00 PMGarbee ^^One situation where a UPS won't help.
08:13:01 PMGuest_6477 so basicly lol ill never be safe from surges lest i live in a grounded lead box
08:13:06 PMrobgor yeah I have looked online and havnt found anything real simple
08:13:16 PMGarbee Exactly! You learned at least one thing tonight.
08:13:32 PMRobbieF backup backup backup (redundantly) guest_6477
08:13:46 PMGarbee robgor, What is the issue? I am certified in networking so I may be able to help.
08:14:08 PM_Jot_ I had to learn something tonight? Darn, I missed that
08:14:27 PMrobgor RobbieF not really an issue as such
08:15:18 PMGarbee Oh, in case you want to know Robbie, I updated the wiki a few weeks ago. Security update to stop a possible XSS attack.
08:15:30 PMGarbee [ That one slipped from my mind... ]
08:15:35 PMGoodGuy Then the lead poisoning will get you, so even that won't save you :-)
08:15:39 PMRobbieF Thank you Garbee!
08:15:58 PMGarbee I love how I remember *weeks* after the fact to fill you in though robbie.
08:16:05 PMGarbee Major lag there.
08:16:13 PM_Jot_ I had to learn something AND get lead poisening? Geez, I keep missing everything
08:16:59 PMrobgor RobbieF will send you a message about what I want latter
08:17:09 PMRobbieF Thanks!
08:17:10 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: what is the best way to limit file transfer rate to pogoplugfs
08:17:23 PMRobbieF qos perhaps?
08:17:30 PMGuest_6477 on a lighter note i have been watching the show off and on for a while I tried the whole entropia universe but i find it to be a bit lonely as in it seems unless you know people you don't have a whole lot to do anyone know of anyother good free online games
08:17:48 PMRobbieF guest_6477 we should meet up in game then :)
08:17:53 PMGarbee +1 for qos. Since it is Linux you could even do it on-box so it doesn't affect the rest of the network.
08:18:31 PMinvinciblemutant qos on locally mounted drive?
08:18:50 PMGarbee I like(d) Rappelz from gpotatoe. But forgot my password due to their insane rules on forcing users to change their password every X months so I don't have my account anymore.
08:18:56 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: the reason to limit the speed is that it throttles my target network
08:19:32 PMGuest_6477 lol thanks robbie i played online games back in the day i played old school everquest the original back in the day looking for something like that
08:20:05 PMinvinciblemutant i like to limit my linux so that pogoplugfs will not transfer to fast to the target...
08:20:20 PMGuest_6477 guess I am being to picky lol gotta pay to have fun anymore lol
08:20:29 PMinvinciblemutant as pogoplugfs caches data, then it syncs to the target slowly
08:20:37 PMRobbieF or just know someone who can give you a gun and some ammo :)
08:20:38 PMrobgor Robbie also came across an issue last night while on the website, not sure if it was on my end or not. Was typing out a question and site was very slow under ubuntu 12.04. My resources showed it was using 25% and 2gig of ram from 8gig. Rebooted and tried again under Win7 and was fine
08:20:40 PMinvinciblemutant which may take days for 100GB of data offsite
08:21:06 PMrobgor RobbieF also came across an issue last night while on the website, not sure if it was on my end or not. Was typing out a question and site was very slow under ubuntu 12.04. My resources showed it was using 25% and 2gig of ram from 8gig. Rebooted and tried again under Win7 and was fine
08:21:24 PMRobbieF robgor we have indeed been going through some stuff... don't know if you follow my blog or not. Sorry for any trouble.
08:22:23 PMrobgor RobbieF yeah with a new site you are bound to have issues, just thought I would give you a heads up on it
08:22:24 PMGoodGuy Guest_6477, what type of system did you want the Recovery patition for?
08:22:31 PMRobbieF thank you
08:22:41 PMRobbieF yes, we had to upgrade servers this week robgor
08:23:20 PMrobgor anyhow seya all have to get back to work.
08:23:37 PMGuest_6477 my system is win7 amd 64 x2 8 gigs ram 1.5 tera harddrive radeon 5570 vid card
08:23:44 PMGoodGuy http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/21978-Windows-7-OEM-Recovery-Partition-tools-creator-Free
08:24:08 PMGoodGuy take a look at that for Windows 7 recovery partition
08:24:18 PMGoodGuy sounds promising
08:24:44 PMGarbee Or you can use the built in recovery media creation tool like a smart person.
08:25:41 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: I got what you mean now
08:25:43 PMGoodGuy then you have to restore from the media (cd-DVD)
08:25:46 PMRobbieF k
08:25:52 PMGoodGuy much slower I would guess
08:25:55 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: thanks guys
08:25:59 PMRobbieF np
08:26:08 PMGarbee GoodGuy, You can also send the medium to a HDD.
08:26:18 PMGoodGuy True
08:26:42 PMGoodGuy The factory PCs have a BIOS hook to make it easy
08:27:19 PMGoodGuy Hit F11 and it recovers so the tech support person can walk newbies thru it easy
08:27:29 PMGoodGuy F11 is just an example
08:27:33 PMGuest_6477 ok i like that goodguy at the begining it says not to use it to backup a working system do they mean it won't work to do that or are they just saying you don't want to do that cause its not backing up off site or i mean off drive i understand i need to backup elsewhere to but is this just from media or not?
08:28:31 PMGoodGuy I didn't read it much, but most recovery partitions restore a barebone system after a fresh install
08:28:48 PMGoodGuy Not a system loaded with your current apps etc
08:29:17 PMGarbee It wants you to have only services neccesary to Windows operation running when you use it.
08:29:24 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: are you using tc for qos?
08:29:48 PMGarbee Further GoodGuy recovery partitions do not restore barebone, they restore how it came on the system. That means with all the bloatware and junk.
08:29:59 PMGarbee The only "barebone" install is a true OEM disc from MS.
08:30:12 PMGoodGuy also backing up a working system could mean it is a moving target
08:30:24 PMGuest_6477 my other question is their some way i don't know if its posible but to take a bootcd something like hirens bootcd and somehow make a option to boot it from hard drive like a parttion and do a recovery from a backup thats made useing some of the software or would that be even harder
08:30:44 PMGoodGuy I know the Image for Windows product can backup a running system, but I still don't do it
08:31:02 PMinvinciblemutant any good qos program on linux?
08:31:21 PMGoodGuy My home pc isnt a mission critical pc I cant afford to shutdown
08:31:55 PMinvinciblemutant gui?
08:32:08 PMGoodGuy Take a look at Plop Boot Manager and maybe email the author Guest_6477
08:32:37 PMGoodGuy I use it to boot from flash drives my BIOS wont boot from
08:33:12 PMGoodGuy It also booted a Puppy Linux from an added entry in my WinXP boot file
08:33:54 PMGoodGuy I installed grub4dos iirc just following some directions I found earlier
08:35:00 PMGoodGuy basically it brings up grub menu and can run some distros off the winxp partition
08:36:02 PMGoodGuy http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html
08:36:05 PMGarbee You are better of using something the like the YUMI USB Creator to make a flash drive that multi-boots distro's/tools.
08:36:18 PMGarbee http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
08:36:25 PMGuest_6477 ok i will do that then i guess im sorrty to be getting to technical I was just wwandering is all ok thanks goodguy im the family go to pc guy and the family my grandparents as well are the ohh this pop up says click here i better do it ohh they need me to install this software so i can win something ok click here type
08:36:26 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: what is the qos command on linux
08:36:27 PMinvinciblemutant ?
08:36:31 PMGoodGuy You can post a question in his forums and likely get a quick answer
08:36:34 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, It is messing with iptables.
08:36:46 PMGarbee Something like: http://www.mikebabcock.ca/linux/qos_tc
08:37:24 PMGoodGuy Most folks are glad to get all techie if possible
08:38:24 PMGuest_6477 I tryed getting them to use linux and they wont just flat out refuse so i need something fairly simple so i dont have to travel all they way to there house when they inevitably mess it up so im trying to figure something that i can walk them through some simple instructions and poof computer goes back to normal
08:38:36 PMinvinciblemutant it is dangerous to mess with the iptables remotely
08:38:38 PMGoodGuy If I get a popup for winning something, I hit Ctrl-Alt_delete iirc on Windows
08:38:56 PMGarbee Honestly I would just reverse engineer whatever Smoothwall [ http://www.smoothwall.org/ ] does for their QoS.
08:38:59 PMGoodGuy Brings up the task manager and I kill the browser if need be
08:39:09 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Not if you know what you are doing.
08:39:13 PMGuest_6477 Im glad to but this goes on at least once a week somebody needs a restore or reformat cause they done put something on the pc
08:39:36 PMGoodGuy I suggest trying software called SandBoxie
08:39:52 PMGarbee Guest, What OS?
08:39:55 PMGuest_6477 i used to use a product called deepfreeze but i dont have the money to buy a new version of it so i got to fix something up for them
08:39:58 PMGarbee Sandboxie is actually quite easy to break out of.
08:40:00 PMGoodGuy I think it is free with some extras if you pay
08:40:09 PMGarbee DeepFreeze was free from MS for XP.
08:40:11 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: it is still risky...
08:40:32 PMGoodGuy I bought it a few years ago, but only used to to get a few modules I wanted
08:40:40 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, It is risky if you mess up.
08:40:48 PMGarbee Then again anything is.
08:40:54 PMinvinciblemutant lol...indeed, higher chance of that...
08:40:57 PMGarbee just like rm -rf /* (don't actually run that people.)
08:41:25 PMGoodGuy Sandboxie seemed like a neat idea, but I never read as much as I should
08:41:31 PMGuest_6477 what all my directory are deleteing what .....
08:41:38 PMGuest_6477 lol jus kidding
08:41:40 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: tc is not built in on linux
08:41:45 PMGoodGuy It did what I wanted at the time and sort of forgot about it
08:42:29 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Neither is nano last I checked, but it is still on many systems by default.
08:42:50 PMGoodGuy RobbieF, did a show on VirtualBox.... you could have them run a web browser in that and make a snapshot while nothing is messed up
08:42:53 PMGarbee GoodGuy, Sandboxie was a great idea, but Darren Kitchen of Hak5 put it and a few other tools to the test and found out they weren't that great.
08:43:06 PMGoodGuy assuming their pc has enough power
08:43:23 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: Thanks dude, i really need to go
08:43:30 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: thanks for help
08:43:38 PMGarbee Any QoS is best handled locally anyways vs remotely.
08:43:43 PMGarbee Just in case of screwups.
08:43:45 PMGoodGuy I remember that episode Garbee , but hopefully it has improved since then
08:43:55 PMGarbee GoodGuy, It most likely hasn't.
08:44:05 PMGoodGuy IIrc a Comodo product was his best choice
08:44:18 PMGarbee Then again I am the guy who will do everything remotely just to avoid going places.
08:44:34 PMGoodGuy The Sandboxie software has been updated numerous times since that show
08:44:43 PMGarbee GoodGuy, I recall that as well, but even then it failed in some areas. Plus is more resource intensive and I don't recommend Comodo products at all.
08:44:58 PMGoodGuy I usually keep my software updated
08:44:59 PMGarbee Updates does not mean it actually fixes security issues.
08:45:14 PMGarbee VM's reign supreme for me when it comes to keeping things clean.
08:45:24 PMGarbee Oh, also using common snese.
08:45:26 PMGarbee sense*
08:45:31 PMGuest_6477 is there any integration in windows with that good guy kinda like vmware fusion for mac where you can have the browser integrated in the start menu so you click on that and it just opens it like its a native app
08:45:50 PMGarbee Guest_6477, There is. it is called Seemelss Mode.
08:45:54 PMGarbee Seemless*
08:45:59 PMGoodGuy It doesnt take a lot of concentration and makes you feel like you did something useful even if I arent feeling well
08:46:38 PMGarbee GoodGuy, What doesn't?
08:46:51 PMGoodGuy I am not that good with it to know if that is possible
08:46:56 PMGuest_6477 cool i didnt know if the windows version had that feature like the linux version had
08:47:08 PMGoodGuy I am guessing a command line version would do it
08:47:30 PMGoodGuy Updating my numerous Windows software apps
08:48:00 PMGoodGuy I run FileHippos Update Checker and a program called SUMo
08:48:22 PMGoodGuy Hand check a few apps that those dont find
08:48:37 PMGarbee RobbieF, I just locked the New Website 2012 page on the wiki to Read Only since no more editing needs to be done to it. ofc we override this though by being admins in case you want to edit it anymore.
08:48:53 PMGoodGuy sort of no brainer task, but feels like I did something semi useful
08:49:45 PMGuest_6477 i wish the os would go the way of the movies i would kill to have a system that looked like the systems out of the tron legacy movie lol
08:49:45 PMGarbee GoodGuy, There is one peice of software for windows that checks for updates and will auto-install for you.
08:50:04 PMGoodGuy Grab the VirtualBox help file or PDF manual
08:50:19 PMGarbee The help is built in.
08:50:20 PMGarbee F1
08:50:34 PMGoodGuy It has a large amt of command line info
08:50:37 PMGarbee Full manual is there and actually pretty easy to understand.
08:50:48 PMGoodGuy Guessing it can load a VM and run it
08:50:56 PMGarbee You shouldn't use Vbox from CLI unless you really know what you are doing.

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