| 06:58:10 PM | revdjenk | here comes 60 minutes of terror!
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| 06:58:10 PM | agamotto | I am so happy to be home from work today... the nutcases were out in droves
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| 06:58:22 PM | maxwell6307 | hi all
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| 06:58:38 PM | RobbieF | Hey maxwell6307
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| 06:58:43 PM | _Jot_ | hi maxwell6307
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| 06:58:51 PM | maxwell6307 | how are we all?
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| 06:59:07 PM | revdjenk | wonderful, made in time for the show
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| 06:59:07 PM | _Jot_ | most of us are doing okay, I think
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| 06:59:13 PM | agamotto | Fine, now that I am home from work!
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| 06:59:19 PM | maxwell6307 | cool
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| 06:59:27 PM | maxwell6307 | me to
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| 06:59:28 PM | Dennis_Kelley | maxwell6307 - We are doing awesome!
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| 06:59:52 PM | maxwell6307 | perfect
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| 06:59:54 PM | Garbee | Starting early today?
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| 07:00:01 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, don't you know it is very rude to point at people!
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| 07:00:01 PM | Dennis_Kelley | No not the point! anything but that!
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| 07:00:21 PM | Garbee | Don't worry RobbieF I have my pizza for the show!
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| 07:00:24 PM | TheChrista | hey folks
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| 07:00:35 PM | _Jot_ | hi TheChrista, nice to see you again after 10 weeks
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| 07:00:51 PM | _Jot_ | not hi to RobbieF! ha!
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| 07:00:59 PM | agamotto | Garbee, Freshly made?
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| 07:01:10 PM | revdjenk | hey Christa
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| 07:01:28 PM | Garbee | agamotto, No, it is lunch leftovers.
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| 07:01:35 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, you can ask her to come every day and help her move to the new house
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| 07:01:36 PM | Garbee | That was the plan though, so I'm not complaining.
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| 07:01:41 PM | Yazid1965 | Christa every Tuesday!!! :)
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| 07:01:42 PM | revdjenk | finished with school? what is your focus?
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| 07:01:47 PM | agamotto | Garbee, coolies
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| 07:01:52 PM | GWG-tf101 | Greetings from "The Road"
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| 07:01:56 PM | GWG-tf101 | At JFK Airport
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| 07:02:03 PM | GWG-tf101 | Wondr if I can stream in
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| 07:02:08 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Even better, remove images and make it all pure CSS3!
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| 07:02:30 PM | agamotto | GWG-tf101, you are at an airport? My condolences
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| 07:02:30 PM | robgor | welcome back christa
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| 07:02:34 PM | Garbee | Hello GWG-tf101!
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| 07:02:39 PM | Rednova | Awesome RobbieF my friend is getting in to that and i told him about this show but he's too busy to join tonight :(
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| 07:03:01 PM | agamotto | Watch them get taxed on it
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| 07:03:13 PM | _Jot_ | hi GWG, don't go running on the runway making airplane-noises
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| 07:03:23 PM | GWG-tf101 | Agamotto, I'm leaving on a jet plane...which alas has no wifi
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| 07:03:40 PM | chrisreich | People of Earth, Greetings.
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| 07:03:46 PM | _Jot_ | hi chrisreich
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| 07:03:57 PM | chrisreich | hey _Jot_
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| 07:04:39 PM | Garbee | TheChrista, When Robbie holds something up, you point to the proper place.
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| 07:04:44 PM | Garbee | ;)
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| 07:04:58 PM | revdjenk | was it good to have a live audience
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| 07:05:20 PM | agamotto | I wonder when Robbie will be featured on CBC's equivalent of 20/20?
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| 07:05:34 PM | _Jot_ | Garbee, you know TheChrista can't point cause RobbieF doesn't hand out pointing-sticks anymore
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| 07:05:44 PM | Dennis_Kelley | a wine unboxing?
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| 07:05:52 PM | Garbee | Dennis_Kelley, No, unbagging.
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| 07:05:57 PM | Garbee | This wine is better than a box.
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| 07:05:59 PM | tordeu | how Canadian
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| 07:06:00 PM | Dennis_Kelley | got be
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| 07:06:03 PM | Dennis_Kelley | *me
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| 07:06:08 PM | revdjenk | Don't let Eric see this segment ... you are always bringing Christa gifts!
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| 07:06:09 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, how many volts does it run on? Does it have a display? How many pixels?
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| 07:06:10 PM | agamotto | Don't forget to give it a sniffy snif.
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| 07:06:13 PM | Rednova | Bet that would be nice on pan cakes
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| 07:06:15 PM | Dennis_Kelley | what about an uncorking?
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| 07:06:28 PM | Drumstick | Evening everyone!
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| 07:06:33 PM | _Jot_ | hi Drumstick
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| 07:06:38 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Hello Drumstick
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| 07:07:15 PM | agamotto | Tweeting is too easy, hence why politicians are using it
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| 07:07:16 PM | chrisreich | greetings New2Linux
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| 07:07:25 PM | eyemeansit | Thanks!
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| 07:07:31 PM | New2Linux | hi
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| 07:07:31 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I am New!
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| 07:07:32 PM | Rednova | RobbieF i'm Tobi. Garbee did not know it was me untill i told him lol
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| 07:07:44 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Sorry!
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| 07:07:45 PM | chrisreich | welcome Dennis_Kelley
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| 07:07:50 PM | Garbee | Rednova, I had an idea but wasn't quite sure so didn't say anything.
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| 07:07:51 PM | revdjenk | I'm here finally and have some questions, for later
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| 07:08:03 PM | ___JimBobMedia | Hi !!
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| 07:08:10 PM | Garbee | Click Race RobbieF?
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| 07:08:10 PM | Dennis_Kelley | with the Maple wine?
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| 07:08:12 PM | Rednova | I thought you would be able to tell by my IP adress? Or cant you see it?
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| 07:08:15 PM | _Jot_ | Yay, I win! What am I going to win RobbieF?
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| 07:08:31 PM | Garbee | Rednova, I can but you IP can change.
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| 07:08:35 PM | revdjenk | Robbie wins 30 host points!
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| 07:08:45 PM | agamotto | We did have some precipitation around here on Saturday... scared the bejeesus out of the locals
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| 07:08:49 PM | chrisreich | I didn't catch a mispronounciation. Sorry RobbieF.
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| 07:09:07 PM | Garbee | Rednova, Plus, I only even look at Robbie's IP on occasion.
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| 07:09:11 PM | tordeu | but my area is ugly... what do i do?
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| 07:09:13 PM | Rednova | Oh i thought there was a IRC feature that would tell you who the person is.
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| 07:09:27 PM | revdjenk | tordeu: make something up!
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| 07:09:27 PM | Rednova | Sorry for the confusion
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| 07:09:29 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, But I need to lick that stamp. :(
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| 07:09:37 PM | agamotto | Rednova, No, this isn't a movie (snicker)
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| 07:09:51 PM | _Jot_ | here they only have stickers, no lickable stamps anymore
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| 07:09:52 PM | tordeu | I can paint a sun all over the postcard....but I do not remember how that looks like.
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| 07:09:54 PM | chrisreich | use self-stick stamps. Don't give away DNA for free!
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| 07:09:55 PM | agamotto | tordeu, throw some paint on it?
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| 07:10:01 PM | Rednova | I watch DIe hard 4 i know all about this stuff!!! haha I joke
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| 07:10:16 PM | Dennis_Kelley | chrisreich - i guess you missed a drink then!
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| 07:10:18 PM | Rednova | That film is so fake
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| 07:10:37 PM | chrisreich | It seems I did Dennis_Kelley!
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| 07:10:49 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Garbee - they are stickers these days!
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| 07:10:54 PM | chrisreich | DRINK!
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| 07:11:00 PM | revdjenk | pleth OR a
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| 07:11:01 PM | Garbee | Rednova, It is actually proper in many ways, especially about the setup fo the grids.
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| 07:11:06 PM | revdjenk | PLETH ora
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| 07:11:26 PM | Garbee | The speed is completely fake though, it would take a long time to hack those systems and they do it in minutes.
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| 07:11:34 PM | tordeu | Robbie just want our post cards to get our DNA. It's a Canadian plot to take over the world.
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| 07:11:35 PM | Rednova | Garbee come on. That film is right in some ways but a bit over the top .. Good film tho :)
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| 07:11:40 PM | chrisreich | I think that mispronouncing was announcers emphasis though.
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| 07:11:50 PM | revdjenk | em PHA sis
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| 07:12:04 PM | agamotto | "Do you think I have a plethora of good manners?"
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| 07:12:07 PM | Garbee | Rednova, Yea, it has a lot of common movie stunts for things, but the idea of the attack is completely doable... Just not as mobile as they make it.
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| 07:12:15 PM | chrisreich | it's tough work, but someone's got to do it.
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| 07:12:28 PM | tordeu | KeePassX
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| 07:12:36 PM | Garbee | LastPass!
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| 07:12:44 PM | tordeu | YAY, I won!
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| 07:12:58 PM | agamotto | I just let Data manage my passwords...
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| 07:13:43 PM | tordeu | I create random 16 digit passwords by only using the # character, nobody will guess THAT!
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| 07:13:59 PM | Rednova | If it does happen Garbee it wont effect us since there is nothing here to ruin. Our phones and internet will go but no cars coming after me and other stuff ... Possible planes since the RAF are flying here all the time :(
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| 07:14:11 PM | revdjenk | I use mhonan no one uses that now!
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| 07:14:20 PM | chrisreich | another alternative password generator is at https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm
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| 07:14:38 PM | Garbee | Rednova, But you are not in the US which is where that scenario is based.
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| 07:14:40 PM | revdjenk | xkcd password generator google it
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| 07:14:47 PM | Garbee | An attack like that would completely cripple us.
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| 07:14:52 PM | agamotto | Rednova, ... until someone figures out the sonic screwdriver...
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| 07:15:31 PM | Garbee | http://www.grc.com/haystack.htm ...Best password method ever.
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| 07:15:51 PM | Rednova | yeah Garbee in the US it would be terrible :( Agamotto i could use with one of them.... since i use screw drivers allot
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| 07:15:51 PM | agamotto | The best password is the one you don't know
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| 07:16:02 PM | revdjenk | the main password is 1234 of course
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| 07:16:08 PM | chrisreich | I just searched xkcd revdjenk, I'll read the web page(s) after the show.
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| 07:16:33 PM | chrisreich | good one agamotto!
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| 07:16:41 PM | Rednova | Oh dear just hit a bug in 12.04
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| 07:16:52 PM | Garbee | Rednova, What else is new?
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| 07:16:53 PM | agamotto | A bug? There are many
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| 07:16:58 PM | revdjenk | what is it Rednova
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| 07:17:06 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, I don't have to guess it, I just download the video and read it from the screen!
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| 07:17:18 PM | GWG-tf101 | I use Lastpass and Keepass
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| 07:17:23 PM | chrisreich | that'll happen Rednova. Nothing is perfect. Except your wife/girlfriend, as the case may be.
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| 07:17:24 PM | tordeu | And BACK UP THAT PASSWORD FILE
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| 07:17:45 PM | Rednova | I minimise something and it says i don't have it open :( Just installed tint2 and it shows up on that so it will work for now
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| 07:18:04 PM | agamotto | tint2?
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| 07:18:08 PM | revdjenk | Question for Christa ? Have you backed up your Mac?
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| 07:18:23 PM | Rednova | Light weight panel :) Used on Crunchbang Agamotto
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| 07:18:26 PM | Garbee | Rednova, I have hit that bug to. It is what made me stop using 12.04.
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| 07:19:00 PM | chrisreich | Is said bug really that serious Garbee?
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| 07:19:00 PM | agamotto | Garbee, What is your flavor of choice, currently?
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| 07:19:14 PM | Garbee | agamotto, Windows 8 RP. I get RTM bits on the 15th.
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| 07:19:19 PM | GoodGuy | RobbieF - The AIOS was on sale for $54 USA on Newegg (with a rebate)
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| 07:19:19 PM | Rednova | I won't give up on it yet Garbee. I only walked away from it since it was crazy slow on my netbook regardless of using fluxbox or xmonad but this laptop can take it if it does not stop i will use session fall back
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| 07:19:20 PM | revdjenk | garbee mint13 shows minimized apps
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| 07:19:25 PM | Garbee | chrisreich, For me doing web dev, it is MAJOR.
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| 07:19:26 PM | chrisreich | DRINK! bet-ah
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| 07:19:40 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, Mint 13 is a childs toy.
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| 07:19:52 PM | _Jot_ | it was orange to remind RobbieF of swimming in carrotjuice
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| 07:19:57 PM | robgor | RobbieF is that keepass program available for android and windows also or just linux?
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| 07:19:58 PM | chrisreich | I understand Garbee. So it's not something that affects a desktop user so much?
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| 07:20:10 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: don't care, been with it since ver 4.0
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| 07:20:15 PM | _Jot_ | robgor, it is available for almost any operating system
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| 07:20:17 PM | Garbee | chrisreich, No, I do web dev locally, that is why it is so major.
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| 07:20:21 PM | Garbee | It completely kills my work.
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| 07:20:35 PM | robgor | ah ok thanks Jot
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| 07:21:05 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, I liked older Mint versions, but what they are doing for Gnome 3 "fixes" I don't like personally. I see it as a childs toy vs an actual machine for me to work with.
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| 07:21:27 PM | agamotto | I still haven't updated my main box... haven't found the new 'it' flavor
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| 07:21:32 PM | revdjenk | that's what makes Linux, Linux! I prefer the cinnamon desktop
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| 07:21:41 PM | chrisreich | Garbee I agree about Mint.
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| 07:21:58 PM | Rednova | Garbee did that bug continue in Unity 2d?
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| 07:22:03 PM | ajamison5579 | TiVo listening to customer suggestions? thats a first
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| 07:22:08 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, And since I couldn't find another distro I like, I have gone back to Win 8. I must say I love Metro (Win 8 UI as it is now called.)
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| 07:22:14 PM | revdjenk | RobbieF: pronounced something correctly!!!
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| 07:22:21 PM | chrisreich | I accept that pronounciation, RobbieF!
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| 07:22:22 PM | Garbee | Rednova, Never tested. Unity 2d will probably be killed soon so no point in testing.
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| 07:22:50 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: you are kidding? wow, the local computer store owner has been very disappointed by it...
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| 07:23:05 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, Most people are, but they really haven't analyzed it very deep.
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| 07:23:08 PM | _Jot_ | robgor, you can of course also go with the original keepass from http://keepass.info
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| 07:23:13 PM | Rednova | True Garbee... Hope the common bugs are gone by 13.04
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| 07:23:17 PM | Garbee | They see it and get revolted by the idea, but honestly, *use* it.
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| 07:23:29 PM | Garbee | Metro barely gets "in the way" as people think and is fast.
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| 07:23:34 PM | robgor | an ok
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| 07:23:46 PM | Garbee | Also, having a *standard* way of doing things is perfect for tech support to explain to people.
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| 07:23:48 PM | GoodGuy | Steam is adding Linux support because they worry Win 8 will be a train wreck
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| 07:24:03 PM | ajamison5579 | Garbee its notcalled metro anymor
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| 07:24:07 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, Also for many other business reasons, like Steam can't work in Metro.
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| 07:24:13 PM | chrisreich | I would expect bugs to be fixed in 12.04 over time rather than expect a new version to be the fix. But I'm a LTS guy, so what do I know.
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| 07:24:15 PM | Rednova | People are judging 8 too quick just like they judged gnome 3 and unity before they were finished
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| 07:24:17 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, MS is afraid of calling it that, I'm not.
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| 07:24:33 PM | GoodGuy | For enough $$$$ they make things work
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| 07:24:45 PM | ajamison5579 | I want to try Win 8 but must not loose my game access
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| 07:24:49 PM | RobbieF | http://cat5.tv/hdmi51
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| 07:24:51 PM | Rednova | Unity is not there yet unfortunately
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| 07:24:54 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: yes it is faster ... but the flipping back and forth between "metro" and 7-style desktop in the services like in help is disconcerting
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| 07:24:55 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, No, MS won't. It is a security risk to let Steam work in Metro.
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| 07:25:14 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, Ha! Honestly, you don't do it *that* much, and it isn't disconcerting once you figure it out.
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| 07:25:30 PM | GoodGuy | I am not a big gamer, so I'll try Win8
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| 07:25:43 PM | GoodGuy | Especially for the cheap upgrade offer
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| 07:25:46 PM | Garbee | right now, I can't actually do any work *in* Metro, so it is kinda pointless.
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| 07:25:51 PM | Rednova | RobbieF how do you have all this time????
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| 07:25:51 PM | smittysmit | Team Viewer is AWESOME
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| 07:25:53 PM | Garbee | MetroTwit for Win 8 is awesome though.
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| 07:25:56 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: hee hee
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| 07:26:03 PM | chrisreich | I've been testing so many windows managers I had to take a Linux vacation recently to clear my head. Currently liking icewm a lot here. Awesome and xmonad are still interesting, though.
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| 07:26:13 PM | robgor | RobbieF make sure people have the latest teamview apparently it has a vulanability
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| 07:26:25 PM | ajamison5579 | Garbee steam will not work in metro? If so then def staying on win7 half my games are bought through steam
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| 07:26:38 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, It will still work in the desktop of Win8.
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| 07:26:39 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: and the news today about office 2013 having some of its features dropped from the RT version
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| 07:26:43 PM | robgor | which is fixed in latest version
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| 07:26:59 PM | robgor | RobbieF which is fixed in latest version
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| 07:27:07 PM | Garbee | They won't have an actual metro app for Steam since other games can't work in there since it won't have Win32 API access which steam and other apps require. Sandboxing for safety kills the possibility.
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| 07:27:33 PM | revdjenk | ajamison5579: steam will work in win8, that is not Gabe's problem, it is with the possiblity of being locked out of the app store
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| 07:27:41 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, Where did you see that?
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| 07:28:12 PM | ajamison5579 | ok i am so confused now
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| 07:28:18 PM | revdjenk | it was in either verge or theregister
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| 07:28:22 PM | _Jot_ | wait, what, the category5 website has functionality? And I thought it was just pretty pictures
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| 07:28:42 PM | revdjenk | _Jot_: pretty until that bald guy shows up :)
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| 07:28:56 PM | _Jot_ | wait, what, there is a bald guy on the website?
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| 07:29:04 PM | ajamison5579 | if I upgrade to win 8 can I play my games??
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| 07:29:07 PM | revdjenk | hee hee
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| 07:29:25 PM | revdjenk | Question for Christa ? Have you backed up your Mac?
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| 07:29:25 PM | revdjenk | Question for Robbie ? I am having a sluggish mouse movement in the initial few minutes of booting... Linux Mint 13 64bit Lenovo t400 ? any ideas?
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| 07:29:41 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, Here is the basic gist of it. Only the Desktop App in Windows 8 has access to the old Win32 API (and also only on x86_64). Steam requires that and so do games. So Steam will only work in the desktop since it *can't* function as a Metro App (since Apps don't have Win32 API access.)
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| 07:30:16 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, Yes, you can still play you games just fine.
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| 07:30:22 PM | Garbee | Just not *in* Metro.
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| 07:30:23 PM | ajamison5579 | ok
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| 07:30:27 PM | chrisreich | TheChrista is that a sweater around your neck? Scarf? It's working as a fashion statement.
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| 07:30:49 PM | agamotto | It might be a 'pashmina.'
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| 07:31:06 PM | chrisreich | LOL @ RobbieF. Good one!
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| 07:31:07 PM | _Jot_ | chrisreich, it has the batteries, so they are easily replacable
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| 07:31:10 PM | agamotto | I was thinking Sony myself...
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| 07:31:17 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief RBS = RIM banking services
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| 07:31:27 PM | Garbee | Win 8 UI is it apparently.
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| 07:31:29 PM | Rednova | Windows 8 Web page Edition RobbieF!!
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| 07:31:30 PM | Garbee | :(
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| 07:31:46 PM | agamotto | "Windows 8 UI.... boxy, not sexy."
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| 07:31:48 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: Windows 8 Style UI
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| 07:32:04 PM | chrisreich | sorry _Jot_, what has batteries?
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| 07:32:20 PM | _Jot_ | chrisreich, TheChrista of course.
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| 07:32:33 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, The "blocky" UI actually isn't that bad. It is the fact that no apps exist yet that someone can actually do work in.
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| 07:33:00 PM | GoodGuy | It is HUGE
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| 07:33:01 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: which is part of the question, why release it if it isn't ready?
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| 07:33:20 PM | GoodGuy | If anything can make Linux grow, that is it
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| 07:33:23 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, They have apps they just haven't released to the store yet.
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| 07:33:31 PM | chrisreich | I want to see Dancing Demon on a linux terminal. Anyone remember Dancing Demon?
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| 07:33:33 PM | Garbee | I can ask the same question of Canonical with Unity.
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| 07:33:37 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: so we are told
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| 07:34:03 PM | GoodGuy | nope
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| 07:34:04 PM | agamotto | No, but I can sing 'Dancing Queen.'
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| 07:34:05 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, It is a catch 22. They need to get devs interested, but devs won't dev unless there is a userbase. How do you get the user-base? By putting it on systems.
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| 07:34:23 PM | Garbee | Canonical did not *need* to do it due to a catch 22 though, so they fail the test.
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| 07:34:35 PM | GoodGuy | So can Abba.. to the tune of millios of $$$$ :-)
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| 07:34:45 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: it would have been nice to have given the devs the sdk a head of time...
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| 07:35:11 PM | GoodGuy | I heard they were the number two biggest earner in Sweden at the height of their popularity
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| 07:35:14 PM | Rednova | I am with Garbee on that one. Dell are shipping laptops with unity now and its going to explode in peoples faces!
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| 07:35:16 PM | Garbee | MS also needs to do this. Otherwise what would Win 8 be? Just updates to the Win 7 core which almost no one would want and would put them 3 or 4 *more* years behind on development which would kill them. This gives them a chance to live and build a great ecosystem (which is doing fine btw.)
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| 07:35:17 PM | _Jot_ | 7 or 8 canadian? that's like 3000 dollars american, right?
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| 07:35:25 PM | GoodGuy | That was impressed
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| 07:35:31 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, Devs had the SDK for a year!
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| 07:35:37 PM | Garbee | That is plenty of time for them.
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| 07:35:40 PM | agamotto | CAD is usually around 10% on top of USD
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| 07:35:40 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: correct, ms is WAY behind
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| 07:35:48 PM | GoodGuy | Mo Netflix on Linux right?
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| 07:35:56 PM | Dennis_Kelley | and going to school!
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| 07:36:00 PM | ajamison5579 | Sliders is (or was) an awesome series
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| 07:36:01 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: but didn't some of the background tools change?
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| 07:36:01 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, Not yet.
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| 07:36:06 PM | _Jot_ | TheChrista, RobbieF is laughing at 'working'
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| 07:36:06 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, Nope, we are all theives and pirates, remember?
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| 07:36:13 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, They added API calls.. Hundreds actually.
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| 07:36:18 PM | GoodGuy | Hope they get it someday
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| 07:36:27 PM | Garbee | It was always in the works, but that really won't affect major apps yet.
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| 07:36:42 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: sorry... I left MS over 6 years ago... won't win me over
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| 07:36:44 PM | GoodGuy | I actually use BitTorrent for d/l Linux
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| 07:37:03 PM | TheChrista | I know jot! If it weren't for this delicious wine sitting beside me, I'd be extremely offended and sad
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| 07:37:18 PM | Rednova | Might compile a new Kernal in a bit and see if Unity gets better it helped on one of my PCs
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| 07:37:18 PM | _Jot_ | revdjenk 'win ME', nice joke
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| 07:37:25 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, It isn't targeted at you. Obviously you have some idea of computing since you are here. Win 8 is for the *average* user and the tech support guy who wants easy explinations for things.
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| 07:37:44 PM | revdjenk | win8 won't be for the average person!!!
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| 07:37:45 PM | Garbee | Rednova, Kernel updates shouldn't affect Unity at all.
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| 07:38:01 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, You say so, but we don't know yet. I can honestly say, it will be *better* than what we have now.
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| 07:38:05 PM | revdjenk | _Jot_: you are quick!
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| 07:38:09 PM | Garbee | Whether people chose to belive it or not.
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| 07:38:22 PM | tordeu | I always thought that Win is for the tech guys, that's why they leave the system wide open.
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| 07:38:25 PM | Rednova | If it does not Garbee i will use session fall back and keep the updates coming in and see if it improves in a week
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| 07:38:29 PM | GWG-tf101 | Off now
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| 07:38:33 PM | GoodGuy | Too lazy to rload my pc
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| 07:38:35 PM | Rednova | Might have been better staying with Debian
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| 07:38:37 PM | Garbee | I can tell people exactly how to print from any Metro app, it is *the same* for all of them. I can't do that in Deskto apps.
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| 07:38:58 PM | tordeu | You mean, file>print?
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| 07:39:03 PM | agamotto | gwg-TF101 E
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| 07:39:10 PM | Garbee | tordeu, Not every app conforms to that.
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| 07:39:13 PM | agamotto | enjoy your flight
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| 07:39:22 PM | Dennis_Kelley | its not actually there, like HAIR!
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| 07:39:40 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: yet, the browser will be different in "the desktop formerly known as metro" and the desktop! Crazy
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| 07:39:46 PM | tordeu | Ok, but it's most at least. If people can't find the print button, they are doomed anyway.
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| 07:39:52 PM | maxwell6307 | i love the gimp
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| 07:40:10 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief can us faulicaly challenged individuals put realitic looking hair on our bald heads?
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| 07:40:17 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, But people shouldn't use the desktop browser. They should stick to the safe Metro browser.
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| 07:40:18 PM | agamotto | 'print button?' Whatever happened to CTRL-P?
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| 07:40:19 PM | _Jot_ | no RobbieF, not those funny pictures from the members foto gallery
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| 07:40:29 PM | Garbee | The desktop IE is mainly there for users who *know* they need to go there to do something.
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| 07:40:30 PM | revdjenk | gimp in one window is super, too
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| 07:40:45 PM | Garbee | agamotto, Once again, not all apps conform to that de' facto standard.
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| 07:40:47 PM | agamotto | ajamison5579, No, because the hair remedies will make you sterile
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| 07:41:00 PM | tordeu | agamotto, The average user does not use his keyboard. Not even for copy/paste. They HAVE to go through the menu.
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| 07:41:04 PM | ajamison5579 | lol
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| 07:41:15 PM | agamotto | Garbee, Then why use them? chuckle
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| 07:41:26 PM | Guest_8847 | I could never get Metro to work in VB
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| 07:41:26 PM | ajamison5579 | I know i spelled faulical wrong
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| 07:41:29 PM | Garbee | Also, Chrome and Firefox can have plugins, so if people want they can install one of those and use their Metro version.
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| 07:41:31 PM | ajamison5579 | so sue me
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| 07:41:35 PM | chrisreich | I prefer keyboard commands, but tordeu is right.
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| 07:41:38 PM | agamotto | I must be really wierd then for preferring keyboard shortcuts
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| 07:41:48 PM | Guest_8847 | metro = win8
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| 07:41:59 PM | Garbee | agamotto, Because some programs people use for whatever reason. Not everyone can make a good program choice (my dad is a perfect example of that.)
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| 07:42:09 PM | chrisreich | my carpal tunnel syndrome likes keyboard commands over mouse manipulation.
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| 07:42:09 PM | ajamison5579 | Metro = the boxes in Win8
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| 07:42:18 PM | GoodGuy | follicle
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| 07:42:40 PM | agamotto | chrisreich, same with arthritis most days.... my rodent is on its back
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| 07:42:41 PM | Garbee | Guest_8847, Well, VB doesn't officially support Win 8 for drivers yet, so no wonder it may not work perfectly. Try again when full support is out.
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| 07:42:42 PM | revdjenk | Guest_8847: actually "metro" is no more... MS has to rename it because of dispute with trademark
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| 07:42:47 PM | Dennis_Kelley | easy to do with less hair!
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| 07:42:59 PM | Dennis_Kelley | or if you had hair!
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| 07:43:01 PM | GoodGuy | Sued by Boxee if the call it that ajamison5579 lol
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| 07:43:10 PM | chrisreich | informal poll - what is everyone's preferred terminal emulator?
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| 07:43:28 PM | revdjenk | scalp- pull
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| 07:43:36 PM | Mathman47 | Big Head Robbie F.
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| 07:43:41 PM | agamotto | Yakukatse...
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| 07:43:49 PM | GoodGuy | terminal
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| 07:43:51 PM | revdjenk | nice RobbieF
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| 07:44:06 PM | tordeu | They can just buy Boxee; they could not do that with Metro
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| 07:44:11 PM | ajamison5579 | Goodguy ok its the screen with all of the square or rectangle looking elements that are enaled for tactile responses
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| 07:44:14 PM | tordeu | i use terminator
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| 07:44:19 PM | ajamison5579 | try sueing the for that
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| 07:44:20 PM | GoodGuy | terminator is popular also
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| 07:44:37 PM | Garbee | I just use an actual virtual terminal or whatever is built into the DE I use.
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| 07:44:41 PM | Garbee | No real need for anything else.
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| 07:44:49 PM | GoodGuy | Try selling it called that lol
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| 07:45:07 PM | revdjenk | smaller
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| 07:45:15 PM | chrisreich | agamotto I hear ya. Arthritis has to suck for computer use. And guitar playing.
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| 07:45:24 PM | revdjenk | smaller - ize it
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| 07:45:35 PM | GoodGuy | and sleeping chrisreich :-(
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| 07:45:48 PM | _Jot_ | I would hire TheChrista to do it properly in photoshop and not go through all the trouble
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| 07:46:03 PM | ajamison5579 | goodguy with a dislaimer that says shapes may changewithout notice so do not be surprised when your square becomes a circle
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| 07:46:06 PM | revdjenk | _Jot_: !!!
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| 07:46:15 PM | chrisreich | GoodGuy you bet. Sometimes I prefer to sleep on the sofa to give my arms some releif.
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| 07:46:21 PM | GoodGuy | lol... lawyer wars
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| 07:46:46 PM | chrisreich | These are good days to be a lawyer.
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| 07:46:58 PM | GoodGuy | I have no idea what I did to my back or hip, but the pain has been bad for several weeks
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| 07:47:05 PM | chrisreich | Drink!
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| 07:47:11 PM | revdjenk | me too, GoodGuy
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| 07:47:15 PM | agamotto | Or, you could just make a low-vision version of the page/site.
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| 07:47:17 PM | ajamison5579 | I know Metro can be called Squares and Rectangles simple enouh
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| 07:47:20 PM | ajamison5579 | enough
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| 07:47:22 PM | GoodGuy | Gets a little better and then hurts like heck
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| 07:47:56 PM | GoodGuy | Maybe the weather is aggravation arthritis
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| 07:48:08 PM | GoodGuy | aggravating
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| 07:48:15 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, it usually does
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| 07:48:16 PM | chrisreich | GoodGuy changes in weather can be brutal for me. Could it be weather changing affecting your back?
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| 07:48:54 PM | GoodGuy | I took a shower last night and suddenly I was in so much pain I could barely walk
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| 07:49:12 PM | chrisreich | ooo - sorry to hear that. Better now?
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| 07:49:15 PM | GoodGuy | Debated going to the ER, but they never do anything
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| 07:49:16 PM | ajamison5579 | Thechrista can someone who does not look and digital images all day tell the difference
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| 07:49:17 PM | Garbee | Wow, GitHub has gotten on my nerves.
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| 07:49:31 PM | GoodGuy | Doesnt hurt near that much today
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| 07:49:32 PM | revdjenk | oooooh
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| 07:49:33 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, want it! send me!
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| 07:49:44 PM | Garbee | ajamison5579, Metro is much more than 90 degree angled shapes.
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| 07:49:55 PM | chrisreich | ER has helped me twice with unbearable pain. I'm in New York. Are you in Canada?
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| 07:49:56 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, How was the end of you vacation?
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| 07:49:58 PM | _Jot_ | I have a question! How can I get that card?
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| 07:49:58 PM | revdjenk | RobbieF: once again, ruining the queen's english
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| 07:50:07 PM | revdjenk | Question for Christa ? Have you backed up your Mac?
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| 07:50:07 PM | revdjenk | Question for Robbie ? I am having a sluggish mouse movement in the initial few minutes of booting... Linux Mint 13 64bit Lenovo t400 ? any ideas?
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| 07:50:09 PM | GoodGuy | Michigan
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| 07:50:15 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief paper cards are so not a green way to go what about digital e-cards
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| 07:50:44 PM | chrisreich | not socialized medicine then in Michigan. I would suggest going to ER when you can't take it.
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| 07:51:02 PM | GoodGuy | My spinal surgeon doesnt see patients anymore, only does surgery
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| 07:51:04 PM | Rednova | Debian or Ubuntu??? Like Ubuntu for Unity and HUD but like debian for stable and speed
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| 07:51:05 PM | ajamison5579 | Garbee i kow I was poking fun at the whole Metro is not metro thing
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| 07:51:38 PM | revdjenk | ajamison5579: the desktop formerly known as metro
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| 07:51:41 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, And breaking MySQL queries!
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| 07:51:43 PM | GoodGuy | He has some doc who prescreens and sends patients to be sliced and diced lol
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| 07:52:02 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, Actually that statement is completely false. Metro was never a desktop.
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| 07:52:07 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, you can just select all of it at once by shift+click the first and then the last, and then delete it all at once, instead of one of the time and take all day
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| 07:52:12 PM | _Jot_ | all those emails
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| 07:52:13 PM | revdjenk | Question for Christa ? Have you backed up your Mac?
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| 07:52:13 PM | revdjenk | Question for Robbie ? I am having a sluggish mouse movement in the initial few minutes of booting... Linux Mint 13 64bit Lenovo t400 ? any ideas?
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| 07:52:15 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Nothing major really, I just had a bad MySQL experience lately.
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| 07:52:29 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, Taking a warm/hot shower made it worse?
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| 07:52:40 PM | chrisreich | Question about the new studio - Is it a pro facility RobbieF? Do you own it?
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| 07:52:41 PM | GoodGuy | are you running an anti-virus?
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| 07:52:43 PM | revdjenk | good choice TheChrista
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| 07:52:57 PM | revdjenk | since the mat honan case
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| 07:52:59 PM | GoodGuy | It was bending down to wash my feet I guessed
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| 07:53:01 PM | Rednova | What has your experience been with 12.04 compared to Debian RobbieF?
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| 07:53:26 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, ahhhh. I would be scared if warmth made the arthritis worse
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| 07:53:35 PM | GoodGuy | I would also
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| 07:53:43 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Or your optical drive is borked and it will write bad data and you don't know unless you really test the backup. Which most don't do.
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| 07:53:52 PM | _Jot_ | note to self: detonate hidden EMP-device before RobbieF has the time to move out
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| 07:53:54 PM | GoodGuy | Been to physical therapy numerous times
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| 07:54:00 PM | agamotto | RobbieF, DVDs are useless without hardware to read them
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| 07:54:21 PM | Garbee | Carbonite is easy.
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| 07:54:21 PM | tordeu | RobbieF, good idea, rsync for Christa
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| 07:54:24 PM | chrisreich | TheChrista I approve of your backup method. I do the same thing. Automated imaging of the system drive daily to an external firewire drive.
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| 07:54:25 PM | _Jot_ | for law-people reading this: that was just a joke, there is no such device
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| 07:54:30 PM | Garbee | I am trying to get my dad to get us a Carbonite plan.
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| 07:54:36 PM | ajamison5579 | 100's of years
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| 07:54:37 PM | GoodGuy | RobbieF, - share a Pogoplus with TheChrista
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| 07:54:45 PM | agamotto | Garbee, I thought that testing/verifying was what made backing up such a pain
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| 07:54:59 PM | Garbee | agamotto, Most don't do either. They just "backup" and hope it works.
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| 07:55:06 PM | agamotto | RobbieF, You don't re-use them as coasters?
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| 07:55:22 PM | Garbee | I currently "backup" the VPS we have but am developing a way to test them.
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| 07:55:42 PM | Rednova | My dog would love flopies haha
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| 07:56:18 PM | agamotto | My backups usually take about 2 hours due to the verification
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| 07:56:24 PM | GoodGuy | We used to eat at local Thai restaurant... they had several children using hair driers to peel off AOL stickers to resell floppies
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| 07:56:40 PM | GoodGuy | Kids worked in the back room
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| 07:56:46 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, You *can* get it back, it is just super expensive compared to a HDD.
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| 07:56:47 PM | _Jot_ | yeah, a backup is only a backup if you test restoring it
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| 07:56:58 PM | chrisreich | my daily updates take from 10 to 20 minutes, usually I'm sleeping when it happens at 5AM
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| 07:56:59 PM | Garbee | correction, Compared to the *worst* HDD crash.
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| 07:57:04 PM | GoodGuy | It did happen if you watched CBS' Jericho show
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| 07:57:35 PM | Rednova | My HD has been clicking each time i power down yet no crashes or anything yet. Its been like this for months ....
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| 07:57:44 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, Which brings up the question: How do you 'harden' a DVD player/recorder to be useful after such an event?
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| 07:57:51 PM | Rednova | Why wont it just go? lol
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| 07:58:00 PM | GoodGuy | One of the hero characters had a hardened laptop
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| 07:58:06 PM | revdjenk | Rednova: you are backing up, right?
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| 07:58:08 PM | Garbee | Rednova, Your drive is stubborn.
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| 07:58:16 PM | GoodGuy | Have to be a govt agent :-)
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| 07:58:19 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, I learned with him that is a question best not asked.
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| 07:58:25 PM | Rednova | Revdjenk i dont store stuff on this HD :)
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| 07:58:29 PM | revdjenk | Rednova: newegg has some great prices on ssd hd
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| 07:58:42 PM | agamotto | TheChrista, Most users arent
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| 07:58:43 PM | revdjenk | Rednova: hee hee.... lol
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| 07:58:44 PM | Rednova | Sure is Garbee! Revdjenk i will be getting a SSD tomorrow :)
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| 07:59:17 PM | GoodGuy | a fire means all my junk is gone and a very happy Mrs GoodGuy lol
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| 07:59:22 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, What happens if we die?!
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| 07:59:25 PM | revdjenk | yay Rednova
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| 07:59:33 PM | GoodGuy | Happy about the junk cleaned up anyway
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| 07:59:40 PM | Rednova | Most of my stuff is stored in the cloud :D
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| 07:59:40 PM | chrisreich | It's all about risk management.
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| 07:59:44 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, you bought me a dog? Wow, that's nice
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| 07:59:55 PM | Garbee | My dog as learned not to knock stuff off my desk.
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| 08:00:12 PM | Garbee | Really? Cat5 is getting Interns to torture?
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| 08:00:12 PM | revdjenk | kind of sad, happy for future
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| 08:00:22 PM | Dennis_Kelley | RobbieF - you will have to have a lot of backstage passes
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| 08:00:26 PM | Drumstick | Thanks RobbieF!
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| 08:00:41 PM | Rednova | Thanks Christa and RobbieF Great show as allways :)
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| 08:00:42 PM | chrisreich | All my best to everyone.
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| 08:00:46 PM | revdjenk | thanks RobbieF thanks TheChrista
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| 08:01:00 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Thank You RobbieF and Christa
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| 08:01:00 PM | Drumstick | Nice to see you TheChrista
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| 08:01:07 PM | Drumstick | Bye all.
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| 08:01:10 PM | eyemeansit | Good show... went by too fast!
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| 08:01:11 PM | _Jot_ | Remember if the wine was as good as it seems TheChrista, we'll ask :)
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| 08:01:12 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Cool Beans to All!
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| 08:01:14 PM | TheChrista | thanks drumstick
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| 08:01:20 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, Do you eat peppers regularly?
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| 08:01:23 PM | maxwell6307 | later all
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| 08:01:29 PM | GoodGuy | Nope
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| 08:01:30 PM | Rednova | I was wondering why my laptop is lagging ..... I did a dist-upgrade just now lol
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| 08:01:44 PM | revdjenk | nice...
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| 08:01:46 PM | GoodGuy | Our son is really big into Peppers though
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| 08:02:07 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, even the milder ones help with arthritis
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| 08:02:32 PM | agamotto | they help to cut down on the inflammation response
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| 08:02:32 PM | invinciblemutant | yo
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| 08:02:33 PM | invinciblemutant | i am back
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| 08:02:39 PM | _Jot_ | welcome back invinciblemutant
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| 08:02:40 PM | GoodGuy | I used to eat Thai fairly often and didnt notice any health benefits
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| 08:02:58 PM | invinciblemutant | Thai --> spicy
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| 08:03:07 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, No, not chili peppers, the bell kind
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| 08:03:16 PM | TheChrista | hope everyone had fun tonight. I promise I'll be back more often now that school is over soon
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| 08:03:21 PM | revdjenk | GoodGuy: the actual term for hot "peppers" is chile
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| 08:03:29 PM | GoodGuy | I use them diced in some dishes
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| 08:03:41 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: YAY
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| 08:03:44 PM | invinciblemutant | sweet capcicums
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| 08:04:02 PM | agamotto | I use a rub-on/in called capzacin that is made from peppers, does wonders for my wrists
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| 08:04:04 PM | invinciblemutant | that is not thai's
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| 08:04:15 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: are you finished completely with school? what is your major?
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| 08:05:03 PM | GoodGuy | I know revdjenk
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| 08:05:11 PM | GoodGuy | brbias
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| 08:05:36 PM | invinciblemutant | i gonna get a monitor for myself
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| 08:05:44 PM | agamotto | Well, I need to go. Sadly, I have to be at work early in the morning
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| 08:05:55 PM | revdjenk | bye agamotto
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| 08:05:55 PM | invinciblemutant | suffering squeezing myself with my laptop
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| 08:06:02 PM | invinciblemutant | any suggestion
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| 08:06:10 PM | invinciblemutant | aiming for a 24 in
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| 08:06:24 PM | revdjenk | invinciblemutant: do you mean you are looking for larger screen to attach to laptop?
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| 08:06:28 PM | revdjenk | wow
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| 08:06:37 PM | TheChrista | revdjenk, this is my second go-around with schooll
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| 08:06:42 PM | invinciblemutant | revdjenk: yes, to extend my laptop screen
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| 08:06:44 PM | revdjenk | will be big change, but they have really come down in price invinciblemutant
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| 08:06:47 PM | TheChrista | I initially went through for Graphic Design, which was my major
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| 08:07:26 PM | TheChrista | and then after working in the field for 3 years found out that if I wanted to really be able to offer my clients everything, that I needed to advance my skills.
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| 08:07:38 PM | TheChrista | So I've been taking night classes for the past year and a half in web development
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| 08:07:48 PM | invinciblemutant | Yea, so that i can really sit straight working in front of the computer
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| 08:07:55 PM | GoodGuy | I have a question... if you applied for a job and they said take a 1 1/2 hour online test, what would you do?
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| 08:08:15 PM | GoodGuy | No promise they'll even call you back etc
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| 08:08:20 PM | invinciblemutant | i used to sit straight typing, but with the laptop screen, it is difficult
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| 08:08:26 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: great! Have a woman in my congregation doing web design for some rather big corporations... she really enjoys it... headaches and all!
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| 08:08:34 PM | invinciblemutant | sit straight up
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| 08:08:37 PM | TheChrista | Depends on the job
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| 08:08:56 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: amen!
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| 08:09:22 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: and the more you know, the more you can pick your battles and choose your future
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| 08:09:24 PM | TheChrista | Ya I've found that I really like it. It's kind of like an on-going puzzle
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| 08:09:37 PM | TheChrista | It involves constant problem solving which I really like
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| 08:09:47 PM | RobbieF | Thanks all :)
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| 08:09:50 PM | GoodGuy | Don't know if they job pays great or not since they dont usually discuss pay rates until a position is offered
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| 08:09:51 PM | TheChrista | But I still really enjoy print design, so I don't think I could give up either
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| 08:09:53 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: which is exactly what she has been doing!
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| 08:10:07 PM | invinciblemutant | any suggestion? brand or model
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| 08:10:08 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: you mean the textile design hee hee
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| 08:10:19 PM | RobbieF | Come now!
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| 08:10:20 PM | RobbieF | lol
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| 08:10:24 PM | revdjenk | hee hee
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| 08:10:33 PM | invinciblemutant | RobbieF: any suggestion for a good 24in monitor
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| 08:10:34 PM | TheChrista | well she sounds like a fantastic person, as all us designers are....naturally
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| 08:10:34 PM | revdjenk | oh, you still here RobbieF ?
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| 08:10:49 PM | RobbieF | I'm here, yes.
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| 08:11:02 PM | revdjenk | invinciblemutant: can't go wrong with samsung, lg, viewsonic
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| 08:11:07 PM | GoodGuy | I just bought a Dell ST2421L 24 in LED
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| 08:11:15 PM | RobbieF | good going :)
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| 08:11:16 PM | _Jot_ | wait, RobbieF got a word right this time? Do the record-people know?
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| 08:11:21 PM | RobbieF | that must be nice for watching online tv!
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| 08:11:27 PM | revdjenk | RobbieF: he stumbled out quite a while ago
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| 08:11:29 PM | GoodGuy | Havent opened it yet, so I cant says how good or bad it is
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| 08:11:29 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Getting authenticated for an SSL cert is a pain.
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| 08:11:47 PM | RobbieF | yes, it sure is
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| 08:11:49 PM | GoodGuy | reviews seemed ok and it had one feature I really wanted badly
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| 08:11:51 PM | RobbieF | gotcha goodguy
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| 08:11:57 PM | Garbee | I got my dad *personally* identified at StartSSL today, getting the business identified tomorrow so I can start making Certs.
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| 08:11:59 PM | revdjenk | GoodGuy: is that the hires one?
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| 08:12:03 PM | invinciblemutant | I need a good screen to compile my thesis
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| 08:12:03 PM | RobbieF | the studio has a 24" for the audience to be able to see.
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| 08:12:11 PM | GoodGuy | Most monitors auto-switch inputs like it or not
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| 08:12:13 PM | Garbee | The good thing is, we get identified and then we can make all the certs we want.
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| 08:12:23 PM | invinciblemutant | i need thing to be side by side
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| 08:12:33 PM | GoodGuy | I has an old, clunky FreeNAS PC on the floor
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| 08:12:43 PM | revdjenk | invinciblemutant: now, I understand!
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| 08:12:45 PM | GoodGuy | when I reboot, it loses the video signal
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| 08:12:50 PM | invinciblemutant | my 13 inch laptop screen is too small, and i need to squeeze myself, lower my body to see the screen
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| 08:13:01 PM | invinciblemutant | that i not a good postul to work
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| 08:13:07 PM | GoodGuy | By the tiime I can get it tp switch back, I miss some screen output
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| 08:13:13 PM | revdjenk | you do know that laptop screens can be angled back? hee hee
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| 08:13:27 PM | GoodGuy | Or lay laptop on books
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| 08:13:39 PM | revdjenk | or get a stand-up desk
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| 08:13:41 PM | invinciblemutant | angled back?
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| 08:13:56 PM | invinciblemutant | stand up desk, then i will working standing the whole day
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| 08:14:00 PM | Garbee | I think my dad thinks SSL Certs are a scam since they require so much personal ID to get. I had to explain to him how crappy the system is before he realized it was necessary.
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| 08:14:07 PM | revdjenk | think of your great posture!
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| 08:14:12 PM | GoodGuy | My wife lays a regular CRT on some square plastic case to raise the height
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| 08:14:44 PM | invinciblemutant | GoodGuy: how about a laptop
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| 08:14:49 PM | invinciblemutant | ?
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| 08:14:56 PM | GoodGuy | It didnt stop Iran Garbee .. IIrc they bought a certificate company
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| 08:15:25 PM | GoodGuy | and corrupted it to trick protesters
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| 08:16:00 PM | GoodGuy | They shut down the company, but probably didnt help the protestors after being discovered
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| 08:16:06 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, I think that is getting too close to politics, so lets kill that line of conversation there please.
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| 08:16:18 PM | GoodGuy | Sure Garbee
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| 08:16:24 PM | Garbee | Thank you.
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| 08:16:52 PM | GoodGuy | I only brought it up to illustrate even certificates arent foolproof
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| 08:17:06 PM | GoodGuy | anyone could do that with enough money
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| 08:17:49 PM | _Jot_ | you don't pay for certificates, but for verification
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| 08:17:56 PM | _Jot_ | at least, that's how it is supposed to be
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| 08:18:28 PM | GoodGuy | I know, but the certificate authority must be trusted or it doesnt mean much
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| 08:18:35 PM | invinciblemutant | it is important to get the details right for cert
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| 08:18:54 PM | invinciblemutant | i appeciate the cert issuance for doing that
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| 08:18:54 PM | GoodGuy | They could verify Porky Pig is Joe Blow
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| 08:19:01 PM | Garbee | Here is the problem. we have thousands of trusted CA's.
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| 08:19:19 PM | Garbee | How can we "trust" that many organizations. each with possibly hundreds of employees.
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| 08:19:26 PM | Garbee | ? for the question up there^^
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| 08:19:40 PM | GoodGuy | I thought any one authorized could issue a valid one recognized by all
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| 08:19:42 PM | Garbee | Web Of trust is a good idea for fixing the solution.
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| 08:20:02 PM | GoodGuy | assuming the cert authority is trustworthy
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| 08:20:03 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, That is how it works.
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| 08:20:09 PM | invinciblemutant | we trust CA, and we know the cert owner is resposible
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| 08:20:19 PM | GoodGuy | Enough money and you can own a company
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| 08:20:28 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, No we don't know the owner is responsible, that is one problem.
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| 08:20:34 PM | GoodGuy | It will be revoked if you misuse it
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| 08:20:42 PM | Garbee | Also, we don't *need* to trust all CA's, that is one problem there are **too** many.
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| 08:20:47 PM | GoodGuy | But by them a lot of damage could be done
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| 08:21:06 PM | invinciblemutant | if you use it to conduct crime under you ownership, do you think you can run away?
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| 08:21:18 PM | _Jot_ | actually, everbody chooses themselfs who to trust and who not to trust. Just usually people let others, like the OS or the browser handle it
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| 08:21:21 PM | invinciblemutant | that is why personal details is important
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| 08:21:42 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, As if I can't spoof personal details.
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| 08:22:01 PM | invinciblemutant | yea, i trust CA has done this to avoid spoofing
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| 08:22:03 PM | Garbee | tbh, everything I handed StartSSL today I could have easily forged.
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| 08:22:23 PM | Garbee | Except the passport photo's, those would have taken a while or I would have had to come up with another photo-ID to spoof.
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| 08:22:25 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Does anyone do laptop repair with Windows 7 and xp? what tools do you use to clean up the hard drive?
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| 08:22:32 PM | GoodGuy | any wealthy organization could "invest" in a certificate authority
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| 08:22:36 PM | Garbee | Dennis_Kelley, Define "clean-up".
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| 08:23:01 PM | GoodGuy | Use that power to do what they wanted and realize eventually auth will be revoked
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| 08:23:15 PM | _Jot_ | I usually let the windows 7 installation wipe the harddrive and do a new install
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| 08:23:31 PM | GoodGuy | By then they would hope they accomplished their goal in buying it to begin with
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| 08:24:06 PM | Dennis_Kelley | malware, virus, junk
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| 08:24:13 PM | GoodGuy | TeraByte's CopyWip is free
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| 08:24:19 PM | GoodGuy | Wipe
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| 08:25:00 PM | Garbee | Dennis_Kelley, A MS Windows OEM disc to re-install from.
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| 08:25:05 PM | GoodGuy | Personally I wouldn't trust any virus removal to catch all of them
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| 08:25:14 PM | Garbee | Malware and viruses are cause for instant re-install to me now.
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| 08:25:18 PM | invinciblemutant | Dennis_Kelley: If you have a branded machine, there must be a recovery partition that you can recover everything, but you will lose all data
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| 08:25:25 PM | GoodGuy | Its the one they dont know about that would get you
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| 08:25:33 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, "Recovery Partition" = bad. They could be infected at that point.
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| 08:25:55 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: just heard the new name is: volte haven't verified it, but checking
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| 08:25:59 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: if it is an ghost image, then may be not?
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| 08:25:59 PM | GoodGuy | Same with System Restore points
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| 08:26:00 PM | Garbee | You want *external* media that had either not been inserted into that machine since infection or be optical storage since it is read-only.
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| 08:26:28 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, *anything* that is on that disc itself is now untrusted.
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| 08:26:29 PM | invinciblemutant | I know some companies have ghost image in their recovery part
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| 08:26:39 PM | Dennis_Kelley | so i use super anti spyware, malwarebytes
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| 08:26:46 PM | Garbee | You can break into ghost images.
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| 08:26:47 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: sorry Metro PCS is now VoitLE
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| 08:26:58 PM | GoodGuy | Maybe if you took a checksum of the recovery partition and knew it
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| 08:27:09 PM | Dennis_Kelley | you think if i use multiple virus software, i will have a better chance of getting more
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| 08:27:10 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, It would need to be one pretty deep checksum.
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| 08:27:11 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: depends on what has happened
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| 08:27:11 PM | GoodGuy | I would probably trust it then
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| 08:27:31 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: you feel so unsecure
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| 08:27:39 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, Doesn't really matter. Any malicious code can possibly attack another partition. So it is marked as untrusted.
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| 08:27:42 PM | invinciblemutant | you probably unplug your network cable
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| 08:27:43 PM | GoodGuy | Usually they arent that large..... no user software and files yet
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| 08:27:56 PM | invinciblemutant | LOL
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| 08:28:14 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, I don't unplug my cables. I know how to protect myself. But I really don't feel like digging through other people's systems finding malware anymore.
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| 08:28:24 PM | GoodGuy | I saw a couple Linux articles where they calced a MD5Sum off a CD
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| 08:28:25 PM | Garbee | I just run a scan, see some bad stuff then recommend a backup and re-install.
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| 08:28:43 PM | GoodGuy | I md5 check the iso before burning
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| 08:28:56 PM | Garbee | GoodGuy, Yea, md5 sums on a CD are always doable, especially in Linux since everything is just another file.
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| 08:29:05 PM | GoodGuy | Those articles discussed calculating a MD5 sum from the CD
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| 08:29:08 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: yea, that is good...md5 check the ghost image too?
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| 08:29:24 PM | Garbee | Either way, still doable for the same reason.
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| 08:29:26 PM | GoodGuy | MD5 isnt considered good anymore
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| 08:29:37 PM | Garbee | MD5's can be fooled though. Plus, what do you have to compare the sum to?
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| 08:29:39 PM | robgor | RobbieF in zorinos 6 where do u go to see what network adapter u have, no idea what I have in my laptop
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| 08:29:48 PM | GoodGuy | atr least SHa1sum and probably better.. sahe 256 etc
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| 08:29:55 PM | GoodGuy | sha256
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| 08:30:00 PM | Garbee | robgor, There should be an area in the lower right hand tray.
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| 08:30:15 PM | Garbee | SHA's are my recommendation for sums.
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| 08:30:23 PM | Garbee | Even then, I wouldn't trust an infected drive.
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| 08:30:23 PM | GoodGuy | same here
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| 08:30:39 PM | GoodGuy | many Linux distros are switching to Sha256
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| 08:30:51 PM | Garbee | I typically setup a system once, then make my own recovery discs for it. So I can always get to my known good point and go from there on it.
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| 08:30:59 PM | invinciblemutant | just wonder who is invincib2emutant
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| 08:31:05 PM | Garbee | Each system hand-baked from Garbee with love of not wasting my time later.
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| 08:31:59 PM | invinciblemutant | one of my machine signed itself up?
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| 08:32:03 PM | robgor | Garbee the problem Iam having is getting the network working in virtualbox as not sure which adaptor I have, working fine in zorin
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| 08:32:25 PM | Garbee | Virtualbox will tell you which adapter the system is using.
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| 08:32:39 PM | Garbee | Under network settings in the main VB area for the machine.
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| 08:32:46 PM | robgor | it list a few actually
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| 08:33:04 PM | Garbee | robgor, Whichever one is actually selected from the drop-down is the one you use.
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| 08:33:12 PM | Garbee | Typically the default "just works" on most VM's.
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| 08:33:17 PM | robgor | ok
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| 08:33:19 PM | Garbee | Only chose something else if you know you need something else.
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| 08:33:46 PM | Garbee | ifconfig to see the list and compare the hardware outputted to the one VB shows and you know which adapter to target with other commands.
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| 08:34:17 PM | Garbee | robgor, FYI (and I don't say this often) the VBox documentation is very good. F1 for more help there.
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| 08:34:26 PM | invinciblemutant | i know that we need to compile some modules whenever i upgrade my vbox
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| 08:34:49 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, That would most likely be the virtuabox additions.
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| 08:35:02 PM | Garbee | They shouldn't be an issue here.
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| 08:35:24 PM | invinciblemutant | most of the time, upgrading the kernel will break vbox
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| 08:35:52 PM | invinciblemutant | not sure which is broken, i normally reinstall vbox
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| 08:35:53 PM | Garbee | No, it just breaks the additions since they aren't compiled for the new kernel. So just recompile the additions and reboot and all should be good to go.
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| 08:36:13 PM | Garbee | If you are talking about the host, then once again, recompile the modules for it.
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| 08:36:18 PM | invinciblemutant | i didnt know that, i will try next time
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| 08:36:25 PM | _Jot_ | help! I have gone blind! Oh wait, RobbieF just turned off the lights
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| 08:36:52 PM | invinciblemutant | yea, i was talking about the host
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| 08:37:31 PM | invinciblemutant | Anyway has learned about galaxy note 10.1
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| 08:37:38 PM | invinciblemutant | it sounds very cool
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| 08:37:44 PM | robgor | Garbee which is best to use if you want to move an virtualbox image from one machine to another
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| 08:37:52 PM | invinciblemutant | i mean it looks cool
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| 08:38:06 PM | Garbee | robgor, You can export an appliance from VBox. I recommend that.
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| 08:38:24 PM | invinciblemutant | robgor: which media? which what?
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| 08:39:37 PM | robgor | I want to be able to great a virtualbox image and be able to easily move it across say from my laptop to say my desktop and vice versa etc
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| 08:40:03 PM | Garbee | Well, you shouldn't be moving an image very often, that can take quite some time.
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| 08:40:24 PM | Garbee | In that case though, you could just move the disk image back and forth from the directory the machine is setup uin.
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| 08:40:27 PM | Garbee | setup in*
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| 08:40:52 PM | robgor | yeah just want to get it setup right and then move it
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| 08:40:56 PM | invinciblemutant | i just moved my image from my cloud to my mac
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| 08:41:03 PM | invinciblemutant | it took 5 hours to move
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| 08:41:14 PM | Garbee | robgor, Then an Virtual appliance is best for that.
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| 08:41:17 PM | invinciblemutant | perhaps an usb3 or thunderbolt drive would be good
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| 08:41:25 PM | Garbee | It is also useful as a backup in case you need a good re-install point.
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| 08:41:51 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, Even USB2 is better than internet download on something like that.
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| 08:42:10 PM | invinciblemutant | lol, i meant pogoplug
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| 08:42:17 PM | invinciblemutant | local access !!!
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| 08:42:23 PM | invinciblemutant | it took 5 hours
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| 08:42:38 PM | Garbee | That must have been one huge image then... also how fast is "local" access.
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| 08:42:41 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Well everyone! Have a great week!
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| 08:42:42 PM | invinciblemutant | it is a shame i dont have gigabit network here
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| 08:42:50 PM | Garbee | My local on a fast ethernet is only 10MB/s.
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| 08:42:55 PM | _Jot_ | you too Dennis_Kelley
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| 08:43:03 PM | invinciblemutant | i was on wifi N, 150
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| 08:43:04 PM | robgor | in the virtual disk creation wizard you have option for virtualbox disk image (VDI) virtual machine disk (VMDK) virtual hard disk (VHD) and parrallels hard disk (HDD) not sure which is the best to use
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| 08:43:11 PM | invinciblemutant | rate was 140, faster than fast eth
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| 08:43:21 PM | invinciblemutant | just 15gb of image
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| 08:43:23 PM | Garbee | Yea, so if you don't have Gig at most you are 10MB of actual transfer speed invinciblemutant, unless you have some crazy connection setup I havn't seen before.
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| 08:43:42 PM | Garbee | robgor, use the default.
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| 08:43:57 PM | Garbee | Just make sure it is dynamic unless you want a static image (which I don't recommend.)
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| 08:44:18 PM | invinciblemutant | gigabit? but pogoplug was on USB2
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| 08:44:27 PM | invinciblemutant | how fast can i go?
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| 08:44:39 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, You are restricted to both ethernet and USB2 speeds.
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| 08:44:48 PM | Garbee | I can get 20+ MB/s transfers on USB2.
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| 08:44:56 PM | Garbee | But I *NEVER* break 10MB/s on my fast ethernet.
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| 08:45:23 PM | Garbee | So my ethernet cap of 10MB/s is my bottleneck, probably the same for yours as well.
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| 08:45:56 PM | invinciblemutant | let me try to measure it now
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| 08:46:12 PM | robgor | ok will do garbee
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| 08:46:33 PM | Garbee | robgor, For future reference though, I use VDI unless I know I need otherwise (which is *very* rare.)
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| 08:46:50 PM | Rednova | Garbee you busy?
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| 08:46:57 PM | faolchu-aonair | hello
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| 08:47:06 PM | Garbee | Rednova, I'm winding down to go to bed soon.
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| 08:47:12 PM | robgor | yeah i wont be using it very often though
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| 08:47:20 PM | Garbee | Still helping some people in many chatrooms though, so might be delayed response here.
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| 08:48:00 PM | Rednova | Just a quick guide to installing Ubuntu on a SSD. I use EXT2 and not EXT3 dont enable Swar area and something else?
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| 08:48:31 PM | Garbee | Rednova, Good start. That is pretty much it for the actual install.
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| 08:48:43 PM | Garbee | Immediately after though you will want to go add noatime to fstab.
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| 08:49:10 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: is that to cut down on writes?
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| 08:49:17 PM | Garbee | http://www.gadgetwisdom.com/2010/06/02/planning-for-and-optimizing-solid-state-drives/
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| 08:49:28 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, Yea. It stops writing the last access time to files.
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| 08:49:41 PM | Garbee | Rednova, See that link I just posted for some more tips.
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| 08:49:42 PM | invinciblemutant | Garbee: My network trnasfer 1GB in 15 minutes
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| 08:50:24 PM | invinciblemutant | which is kinda reasonable for a 15GB to trasfer in about 5hours
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| 08:51:02 PM | invinciblemutant | direct calculation by proportion is 4 hours
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| 08:51:04 PM | Garbee | invinciblemutant, (1 gigabyte) / (15 minutes) = 1.13777778 MBps
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| 08:51:31 PM | Garbee | (15 gigabytes) / (4 hours) = 1.06666667 MBps
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| 08:51:36 PM | Garbee | Yup, pretty close.
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| 08:51:44 PM | Garbee | Still much slower than direct USB2 transfer.
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| 08:51:59 PM | Rednova | Thanks Garbee :)
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| 08:52:15 PM | invinciblemutant | that is about 10mbps
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| 08:52:21 PM | invinciblemutant | isnt it?
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| 08:53:15 PM | Garbee | No, you transfers are capping at roughly 1MB/s
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| 08:53:16 PM | robgor | hmm well I transfered a 50gig virtualbox image over in about 2 hours
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| 08:53:22 PM | Garbee | USB2.0 I can get 20+ MB/s
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| 08:54:14 PM | invinciblemutant | that is direct usb conenction
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| 08:54:26 PM | Garbee | Yup, no ethernet bottleneck like you have.
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| 08:54:55 PM | Garbee | I think even direct Gb network using a crossover cable would be faster than ethernet via a network.
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| 08:55:10 PM | _Jot_ | there are no crossover cables with Gb networking
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| 08:55:13 PM | GoodGuy | If you use something like Rsync or Unison, the next transmission will only xfer the changed parts iirc
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| 08:55:19 PM | Garbee | _Jot_, They all can do it.
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| 08:55:26 PM | Garbee | You just align your connector right.
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| 08:55:37 PM | Garbee | It is up to the computer system being Gigabit capable.
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| 08:55:39 PM | invinciblemutant | _Jot_: why not
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| 08:55:42 PM | _Jot_ | no, there is only one type of cable with gb networking
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| 08:55:57 PM | invinciblemutant | how RX and TX works then...
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| 08:55:57 PM | _Jot_ | they all auto-sense, it's in the specifications
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| 08:56:14 PM | invinciblemutant | _Jot_: then you must ensure that your adapter is auto too
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| 08:56:42 PM | invinciblemutant | perhaps all gb adapter are automidx
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| 08:56:53 PM | _Jot_ | it is in the specifications, so if it doesn't auto-sense, it is not 802 or whatever compatible
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| 08:57:14 PM | GoodGuy | Wow.. I was just watching a Drum Corps Youtube video and saw they had a 4K version available in addition to 1080P
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| 08:57:23 PM | invinciblemutant | ok, then we can conclude that all gb adapter are auto
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| 08:57:38 PM | GoodGuy | Dont have anything good enough to display that resolution
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| 08:57:41 PM | invinciblemutant | afaik, all macbook adapters are auto
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| 08:57:58 PM | invinciblemutant | i just flash a router with it without a crossover
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| 08:57:58 PM | GoodGuy | YouTube must have one heck of a hard drive farm
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| 08:58:31 PM | invinciblemutant | flashed
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| 08:58:55 PM | Garbee | _Jot_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable ...There apparently is a Gigabit crossover standard. http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.3-2008_section3.pdf
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| 08:59:22 PM | Garbee | So, *technically* there should be a way to get a gigabit crossover to work.
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| 09:00:02 PM | _Jot_ | read the part about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-MDIX where it says 'Subsequently, Dove promoted auto-MDIX within the 1000BASE-T standard['
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| 09:02:08 PM | Garbee | Jot, whether it is automatically done or manually making the cable, having a direct connection between 2 machines using a gigabit connection is still possible.
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| 09:02:12 PM | Garbee | That is the whole point.
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| 09:02:22 PM | invinciblemutant | _Jot_: so auto midx is gb standard
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| 09:02:37 PM | _Jot_ | yes invinciblemutant
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| 09:02:53 PM | _Jot_ | it is in the standards, so there is no reason to make a cable, because gigabit doesn't have send-receive pairs
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| 09:03:11 PM | invinciblemutant | we can conclude that it gb adapters will work with both kind of cables
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| 09:03:45 PM | _Jot_ | actually, potentially no, because crosswires can cause interference
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| 09:04:19 PM | invinciblemutant | gb does have tx and rx, see the image in wiki we just referred
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| 09:05:15 PM | _Jot_ | the point is, it doesn't care which wire is the send and receive etc
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| 09:05:21 PM | invinciblemutant | 2 line each for tx and rx
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| 09:05:53 PM | invinciblemutant | otherwise, it is not eth
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| 09:06:10 PM | Garbee | I'm off to sleep guys. Don't tear the room down in my absence.
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| 09:06:44 PM | invinciblemutant | ok...enjoy your sleep
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| 09:06:49 PM | _Jot_ | okay Garbee, we'll tear down the room, have a nice dream
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| 09:08:43 PM | Rednova | Yeah we will tear it down to give you more work to do when you wake up Garbee :) Keep you busy
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| 09:08:47 PM | invinciblemutant | http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=495008
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