| 06:58:04 PM | Drumstick | Hi chrisreich
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| 06:58:05 PM | chrisreich | hey _Jot_
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| 06:58:11 PM | chrisreich | hey Drumstick
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| 06:58:16 PM | revdjenk | poooh jaepea
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| 06:58:17 PM | _Jot_ | jaepea, usually that happens if your scrollbar isn't at the bottom
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| 06:58:48 PM | revdjenk | it's chrisreich day at cat5.tv
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| 06:58:57 PM | chrisreich | hooray
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| 06:58:58 PM | Drumstick | chrisreich: you just walked in... alone.
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| 06:58:58 PM | chrisreich | !
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| 06:59:03 PM | Drumstick | :)
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| 06:59:03 PM | ajamison5579 | chrisreich according to most astronomers we could actually be people from Mars who just happened to evolve on Earth after hitching a ride on a chunk of Martian rock millions of years ago
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| 06:59:12 PM | chrisreich | Alone is my lot in life, alas.
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| 06:59:15 PM | revdjenk | chrisreich: gets 15 chat points
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| 06:59:44 PM | Drumstick | chrisreich: believe me, you get used to it.
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| 06:59:57 PM | _Jot_ | hello TheChrista nice to see you again
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| 07:00:11 PM | chrisreich | well, I've heard that hypothesis recently on Coast-to-Coast AM, ajamison5579
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| 07:00:12 PM | revdjenk | lightning or birds on TheChrista's wrist?
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| 07:00:43 PM | chrisreich | who likes short shorts? We like short shorts! Hi Christa!
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| 07:00:45 PM | agamotto | Hallo, all
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| 07:00:53 PM | chrisreich | hey agamotto
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| 07:01:05 PM | _Jot_ | hi agamotto
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| 07:01:14 PM | OldGuyJim | Christa has the Veronica Lake look tonight.
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| 07:01:15 PM | maxwell6307 | hi all
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| 07:01:16 PM | TheChrista | Hey everyone. I almost missed you all
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| 07:01:21 PM | chrisreich | anyone else have audio? I don't.
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| 07:01:27 PM | TheChrista | As in I showed up a little late, please don't let Robbie yell at me
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| 07:01:32 PM | revdjenk | almost counts only in horseshoes and handgrenades
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| 07:01:38 PM | OldGuyJim | No audio...
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| 07:01:41 PM | agamotto | How are things in the world today?
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| 07:01:45 PM | _Jot_ | TheChrista, did you get a life? And you're not late, RobbieF didn't even put the wall up yet, talk about how late he is!
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| 07:01:51 PM | cyberSmurf | no audio out here in California
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| 07:01:57 PM | Drumstick | TheChrista: Finally, I can thank you for the shout out you gave me WAY back in February for my birthday...so Thank you!!
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| 07:01:59 PM | revdjenk | we are the show today,,, it is chrisreich day at cat5.tv
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| 07:01:59 PM | ajamison5579 | he has not turned it on yet
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| 07:02:08 PM | _Jot_ | no show yet cyberSmurf, so no audio yet. Don't worry (yet)
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| 07:02:10 PM | TheChrista | No, someone moved further from my house
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| 07:02:10 PM | Rednova1 | Has the show started yet?
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| 07:02:11 PM | joedemax | yo
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| 07:02:15 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, I'm taking this late time and keeping you over.
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| 07:02:23 PM | _Jot_ | there was audio!
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| 07:02:27 PM | TheChrista | Haha, no problem Drumstick.
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| 07:02:27 PM | Rednova1 | Ah!
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| 07:02:28 PM | cyberSmurf | @jot:: thx
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| 07:02:36 PM | OldGuyJim | New break-in pains.
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| 07:02:39 PM | agamotto | It still beats some of the Olympics coverage!!
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| 07:02:49 PM | revdjenk | agamotto: some?
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| 07:02:53 PM | chrisreich | that was classic webcasting last week when RobbieF and EricTheKidder *rolled* up the brick wall. It had this guy fooled.
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| 07:02:59 PM | agamotto | revdjenk, I gave up early
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| 07:03:00 PM | cyberSmurf | @agamotto: ..lol
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| 07:03:09 PM | Garbee | chrisreich, Are you serious?
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| 07:03:11 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Hello Everyone!
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| 07:03:13 PM | ajamison5579 | all this talk of exploring mars makes me think of the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy for some reason
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| 07:03:17 PM | _Jot_ | I'm sure TheChrista show tonight will be great
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| 07:03:18 PM | OldGuyJim | It was touching to see the rollup
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| 07:03:29 PM | chrisreich | Garbee - yep. I wasn't there when they put it up.
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| 07:03:35 PM | _Jot_ | whatever you do, don't panc ajamison5579
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| 07:03:40 PM | TheChrista | I see Robbie is feverishly trying to get the studio set back up
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| 07:03:40 PM | Garbee | chrisreich, You didn't know it was fake to begin with?
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| 07:03:52 PM | TheChrista | You guys are in for a treat....new schnazzy studio peeps
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| 07:04:02 PM | agamotto | Hmm, my cat is eyeballing Robbie pretty intensely.... wonder what she knows?
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| 07:04:07 PM | Garbee | TheChrista, New directions too making you late.
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| 07:04:09 PM | revdjenk | ajamison5579: did you see the news, curiosity's wind gauge may be broken
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| 07:04:25 PM | chrisreich | Well, it's not like I had never seen fake brick before, but I was usually looking at one beautiful co-hostess or another.
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| 07:04:38 PM | OldGuyJim | where is the new studio located?
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| 07:04:38 PM | jaepea | finally i got my chat to work
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| 07:04:48 PM | revdjenk | chrisreich: the wall was rolled up? wow good fake bricks!
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| 07:04:52 PM | ajamison5579 | revdjenk NOOOOOOOO now we will never know how fast Martian winds are or what direction they blow in curse you Curiosity lol
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| 07:05:28 PM | agamotto | "Tonight's program will be held in a Tholian thought-space chat room, due to new technologies."
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| 07:05:32 PM | Garbee | 5 minutes RobbieF. You owe us 5 extra minutes.
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| 07:05:36 PM | OldGuyJim | Sorry. I jumped the gun on the sound thing.
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| 07:05:37 PM | revdjenk | ajamison5579: the report said it would be more difficult to get accurate results, they must ahve some other ways to measure
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| 07:05:41 PM | revdjenk | yay
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| 07:05:54 PM | revdjenk | new digs on chrisreich day
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| 07:06:00 PM | joedemax | yo
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| 07:06:01 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Both of you sound fine.
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| 07:06:02 PM | OldGuyJim | Yes..the sound is there.
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| 07:06:04 PM | revdjenk | we hear you!
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| 07:06:05 PM | _Jot_ | I can confirm it is episode 257
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| 07:06:07 PM | agamotto | Did someone remember to put a donkey tail on the rover?
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| 07:06:07 PM | chrisreich | TheChrista - love the hat (and I'm heterosexual)
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| 07:06:08 PM | revdjenk | yay
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| 07:06:11 PM | Garbee | One of you sounds lovely. I will let you two fight over who it is.
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| 07:06:16 PM | Drumstick | SAY MY NAME SAY MY NAME!!! lol
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| 07:06:18 PM | chrisreich | Hey it was news to me!
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| 07:06:22 PM | joedemax | good
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| 07:06:23 PM | _Jot_ | TheChrista is amazing, she has the hat, and the hair
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| 07:06:31 PM | agamotto | Hmm, resolution seems to be higher...
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| 07:06:58 PM | Garbee | TheChrista, Strong?
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| 07:07:00 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, at least you didn't have to unpack them on the count of me winning everything so you could just send them here
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| 07:07:02 PM | revdjenk | seems better, brighter
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| 07:07:06 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief you should have invested in a moveing van
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| 07:07:06 PM | chrisreich | arms like eggplants!
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| 07:07:10 PM | agamotto | Moving house and studio at the same time!?!?!!? insane
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| 07:07:12 PM | Garbee | TheChrista, I can see that way.
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| 07:07:14 PM | OldGuyJim | Dynamite comes in small packages.
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| 07:07:15 PM | GoodGuy | Major guns on her :-)
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| 07:07:19 PM | revdjenk | is this are always view, now?
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| 07:07:36 PM | agamotto | RobbieF, Aleve does wonders
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| 07:07:45 PM | revdjenk | aleve is great
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| 07:07:53 PM | jaepea | hi robbie and christa
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| 07:07:55 PM | agamotto | or is it spelled with two l's?
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| 07:08:07 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, now owes 10 million in royalties for using that sound effect.
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| 07:08:18 PM | Garbee | All 7 of us in BSP.
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| 07:08:20 PM | Garbee | :(
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| 07:08:26 PM | _Jot_ | it's scary back here, I see cowwebs. Does RobbieF ever clean?
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| 07:08:26 PM | agamotto | Garbee, nah, CBS has been pretty cool about that kind of stuff
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| 07:08:28 PM | Garbee | I can hear you.
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| 07:08:29 PM | joedemax | yeahh!!!!
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| 07:08:30 PM | tic-toc | what?
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| 07:08:31 PM | joedemax | audio works
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| 07:08:32 PM | GoodGuy | sound is working now
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| 07:08:33 PM | Garbee | I don't know about anyone else.
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| 07:08:43 PM | Garbee | joedemax, Thanks for joining us tonight!
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| 07:08:44 PM | cyberSmurf | 5 by 5 in California - loud and clear
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| 07:08:49 PM | revdjenk | the generic aleve...naproxen sodium
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| 07:08:55 PM | joedemax | Garbee not at all, i've been meaning to for a long time
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| 07:08:57 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Joedemax is a convert from IAIB!
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| 07:09:08 PM | tic-toc | you wrote this..lol
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| 07:09:14 PM | Rednova1 | I would watch Back stage but my screen is not big enough unfortunately. The quickest broadband? They said that million times and guess what still sucks :)
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| 07:09:45 PM | _Jot_ | Rednova1, you can always get another screen, another computer, another internet-connection
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| 07:09:48 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, You do have a cafepress store. You can have it for sale.
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| 07:10:12 PM | GoodGuy | when it does work, it'll get the "bad" guys quick
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| 07:10:24 PM | Rednova1 | _Jot_ i was kidding haha My internet is awesome! and i would but too lazy :)
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| 07:10:31 PM | Garbee | At *least* Racheal isn't on this episode.
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| 07:10:38 PM | Garbee | She would have died reading the news spoiler.
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| 07:10:40 PM | revdjenk | not all time... not when you use today's $
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| 07:10:42 PM | joedemax | I am a Mac user
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| 07:10:45 PM | joedemax | come and shoot me
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| 07:10:46 PM | OldGuyJim | Read the "Witches of Karres" to learn more about spider robots.
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| 07:10:49 PM | Rednova1 | Where is she anyways Garbee? Its been ages
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| 07:10:53 PM | tic-toc | apples have worms
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| 07:10:55 PM | Garbee | joedemax, Them fightin' words in here.
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| 07:10:58 PM | ajamison5579 | Apple = 200% above market price
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| 07:11:02 PM | GoodGuy | Most of the Tekzilla crew uses macs as well
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| 07:11:08 PM | ajamison5579 | for computers
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| 07:11:09 PM | Garbee | Rednova1, like I know...
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| 07:11:12 PM | agamotto | IPv4?
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| 07:11:12 PM | Drumstick | She told him!! :)
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| 07:11:14 PM | revdjenk | joedemax: no apple, ever, here.... mostly Linux in the whole family
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| 07:11:19 PM | joedemax | hahah really?
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| 07:11:22 PM | Drumstick | I was helping YOU.... :)
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| 07:11:29 PM | _Jot_ | A backup is only a backup if it can be restored and verified against the original data correctly
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| 07:11:31 PM | chrisreich | Those of us who *need* to get real work done on time, use Macs.
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| 07:11:34 PM | Rednova1 | Tekzilla is awesome! Cloud back up is awesome! I have no hard drives! :D so cloud is handy in my case and web apps
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| 07:11:37 PM | tic-toc | hydro?
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| 07:11:38 PM | ajamison5579 | i like Apple but to dang poor to to own one
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| 07:11:47 PM | ajamison5579 | you need to take a second on your house to get a mac
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| 07:12:00 PM | joedemax | I used Ubuntu lately after using OS X for 4 years
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| 07:12:03 PM | agamotto | tic-toc, electrics
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| 07:12:03 PM | joedemax | my god unity is horrible
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| 07:12:11 PM | cyberSmurf | hydro = hydro-electric electrical power in Canadian
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| 07:12:18 PM | tic-toc | Oh ok
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| 07:12:22 PM | revdjenk | led lights
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| 07:12:25 PM | revdjenk | ?
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| 07:12:38 PM | chrisreich | RobbieF are there plans for a studio audience?
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| 07:12:39 PM | Garbee | joedemax, Unity in 12.04 is better than 11.x but still buggy beyond belief.
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| 07:12:42 PM | Rednova1 | joedemax it is on 12.04 but 11.10 is allot better than 12.04! Faster! makes sense since all bugs are fixed in it
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| 07:12:50 PM | joedemax | Unity is fowl though
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| 07:12:54 PM | joedemax | it makes no sense to navigate
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| 07:12:54 PM | joedemax | ugh
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| 07:13:03 PM | OldGuyJim | joedemax...my feelings too. That is why I switched to Linuxmint 13 Cinnamon. Not perfect, but much, much better.
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| 07:13:08 PM | tic-toc | Yuk Unity....
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| 07:13:16 PM | agamotto | Everything was on one circuit?????
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| 07:13:18 PM | revdjenk | OldGuyJim: yes, same setup here
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| 07:13:26 PM | GoodGuy | The Linux Action show hosts gave Unity good props as of 12.04
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| 07:13:32 PM | Rednova1 | Unity is not that bad. Does have a few rough corners but hopefully it will be good after about a year.........
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| 07:13:33 PM | revdjenk | yay cordery elec
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| 07:13:44 PM | joedemax | OldGuyJim what do you think of the newest LinuxMint?
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| 07:14:00 PM | tic-toc | goat path lol
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| 07:14:13 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief it could be worse you could be sitting on boxes
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| 07:14:47 PM | Dennis_Kelley | BRB - have to reboot!
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| 07:15:04 PM | revdjenk | joedemax: if OldGuyJim doesn't answer, I have the same setup he has
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| 07:15:10 PM | OldGuyJim | Unity is good for a touchscreen setup. However, my monitor is not a touch screen and I don't have the resources to make it so. Hence the move away from a unity type setup.
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| 07:15:32 PM | joedemax | right!
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| 07:15:35 PM | joedemax | it seems very touch screen
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| 07:15:36 PM | Rednova1 | Come on Unity is awesome!
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| 07:16:20 PM | revdjenk | jack Wallen's latest article speaks highly of the 12-10 version of ubuntu and its unity changes
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| 07:16:26 PM | chrisreich | put carpet samples under the stool samples
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| 07:16:33 PM | Rednova1 | That is awkward! Wood floor and a chair with wheels!
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| 07:16:45 PM | agamotto | chrisreich, ewww
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| 07:16:49 PM | OldGuyJim | I actually like Linuxmint 13. I prefer the cinnamon desktop. It is a lot more desktop user friendly.
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| 07:17:10 PM | revdjenk | TheChrista: debian got its name from Debbie and Ian...
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| 07:17:21 PM | _Jot_ | windows 8 is good for touchscreens too... and microsoft windows (with windows 8 )and ubuntu (with unity) are about the most popular... I'm scared...
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| 07:17:27 PM | Rednova1 | OldGuyJim I love cinnamon i stayed with that for a while during 11.10. Got it installed now but never use it
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| 07:17:31 PM | ajamison5579 | even the "unstable" version of Debian is incredibly stable
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| 07:17:33 PM | TheChrista | Oh yes, I think I recall making fun of that many shows back revdjek
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| 07:17:33 PM | GoodGuy | go to DistroWatch RobbieF
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| 07:17:39 PM | TheChrista | I had forgotten
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| 07:17:49 PM | chrisreich | Debbie was Ians girlfriend. Then wife. Then ex-wife. Hey, that sounds like my life...
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| 07:17:50 PM | agamotto | I am still using 10.04.4 on my main box
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| 07:17:51 PM | revdjenk | np TheChrista
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| 07:17:55 PM | Rednova1 | Debian Testing rocks!
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| 07:17:59 PM | revdjenk | sorry chrisreich
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| 07:18:04 PM | Garbee | Wow, I so can't read that.
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| 07:18:05 PM | GoodGuy | They probably have links to the various branches
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| 07:18:06 PM | Drumstick | Hey guys...how much does it take to move from Ubuntu to Debian Stable version. Can I format /system and use existing /Home? Probably not right?
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| 07:18:08 PM | Rednova1 | If i had a hard drive i would install it again!
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| 07:18:20 PM | agamotto | Debian: the only distro with an official Vorlon developer
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| 07:18:32 PM | GoodGuy | what is Vorlon?
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| 07:18:41 PM | OldGuyJim | I use a computer all day everyday and unity is more keystroke/mouse click intensive. IMHO it has lost functionality for normal everyday business use.
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| 07:18:59 PM | chrisreich | DRINK!
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| 07:19:01 PM | revdjenk | joedemax: cinnamon to me was faster than MATE and fresher looking.
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| 07:19:02 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, Babylon 5 reference
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| 07:19:16 PM | joedemax | revdjenk what is MATE? i've heard a lot about it in reference to mint
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| 07:19:22 PM | GoodGuy | Ok... never watched it so it didnt compute
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| 07:19:24 PM | OldGuyJim | jodemax...that is what I thought.
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| 07:19:25 PM | Garbee | joedemax, MATE is a GNome 2 fork.
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| 07:19:27 PM | revdjenk | it is a fork of gnome2
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| 07:19:42 PM | Garbee | It is people keeping the legacy desktop alive for no real reason.
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| 07:19:44 PM | tic-toc | Mate breaks on me
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| 07:19:47 PM | Drumstick | RobbieF: How much does it take to move from Ubuntu to Debian Stable version. Can I format /system and use existing /Home? Probably not right?
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| 07:19:51 PM | agamotto | Testing is for the non-paranoid
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| 07:19:57 PM | OldGuyJim | Vorlon's good guys sort of...shadows really bad guys.
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| 07:20:04 PM | ortsUsi | Isn't Debian moving to Xfce
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| 07:20:09 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, No, SID! :D
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| 07:20:18 PM | cyberSmurf | Debian is strict about open-source drivers; a hassle for new users to get MP3/Flash.
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| 07:20:20 PM | chrisreich | Drumstick - It can be done, but you've got to know what you're doing.
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| 07:20:28 PM | revdjenk | joedemax: but if you want to play with the cube and other 3d looks, MATE will work, not cinnamon
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| 07:20:37 PM | Drumstick | chrisreich: That's what I figured.
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| 07:20:41 PM | Rednova1 | urgh bleeding edge is just too much :( Sid is that right?
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| 07:20:43 PM | revdjenk | ortsUsi: believe so
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| 07:20:47 PM | joedemax | Garbee can i copy and paste my folder?
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| 07:20:51 PM | chrisreich | I could help you if needed, Drumstick.
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| 07:21:33 PM | Garbee | joedemax, Depends on setup.
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| 07:21:42 PM | Garbee | I'd only copy and paste major folders like docs/pics/videos,etc.
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| 07:21:43 PM | Rednova1 | I would use Debian if i could remaster it properly :/
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| 07:21:46 PM | Garbee | Not the config folders.
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| 07:22:01 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Hello _Jot_
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| 07:23:00 PM | Garbee | BACKUP PEOPLE!
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| 07:23:01 PM | Drumstick | Ok, got it. Thanks!!! I have the backups.
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| 07:23:01 PM | chrisreich | cyberSmurf - hassle or extra-step, depends on one's level of expertise.
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| 07:23:05 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: I once switched from opensuse to pclinuxos and copied config folders over. Had a very interesting desktop and app interaction
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| 07:23:13 PM | _Jot_ | hi Dennis_Kelley
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| 07:23:20 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, That is why you don't copy them. ;)
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| 07:23:23 PM | ajamison5579 | Backing up is for people who are tired of going forward
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| 07:23:25 PM | revdjenk | hee hee
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| 07:23:25 PM | ajamison5579 | :)
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| 07:23:40 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: that's how I learned!
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| 07:23:40 PM | Rednova1 | RobbieF have you ever tried Remastersys on Debian? Did you get it to work? I did but did not work properly lol
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| 07:23:43 PM | _Jot_ | Maybe RobbieF lives near a river now that he keeps falling into?
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| 07:24:00 PM | GoodGuy | RobbieF, owns an iTouch, so rather than tossing in the river... send it to me lol
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| 07:24:07 PM | chrisreich | hasn't remastersys been deprecated in favor of something newer?
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| 07:24:21 PM | ajamison5579 | was that a picture of Linux giving a thumbs up to windows 7?
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| 07:24:30 PM | Garbee | revdjenk, I really didn't *need* to learn, I just did.
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| 07:24:30 PM | ajamison5579 | *Linux
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| 07:24:35 PM | ajamison5579 | *Linus
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| 07:24:46 PM | Rednova1 | Gtkpod i think works.....
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| 07:24:55 PM | revdjenk | Garbee: hee hee
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| 07:25:32 PM | revdjenk | vlc would work RobbieF ?
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| 07:25:40 PM | chrisreich | ajamison5570 that photo of Linus was taken in Taiwan, if I recall correctly, and they were selling bootlegged copies of Windows 7. That's what's funny about that photo.
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| 07:25:55 PM | Rednova1 | RobbieF it does work that one
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| 07:25:56 PM | ajamison5579 | ah ok
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| 07:26:00 PM | Rednova1 | Not for videos tho
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| 07:26:33 PM | chrisreich | I have a love/hate relationship w/ iTunes.
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| 07:26:40 PM | revdjenk | chrisreich: someone bootlegs windows?
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| 07:26:42 PM | ajamison5579 | Apparently even Apple can no longer stand itunes i hear they are phasing it out in favor of a new program
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| 07:26:43 PM | GoodGuy | He is married, so that idea won't fly
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| 07:27:04 PM | agamotto | I do my yoga in the back yard
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| 07:27:18 PM | revdjenk | donkeys in Israel are wifi hotspots in a park
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| 07:27:23 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, FANBOY!
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| 07:27:35 PM | OldGuyJim | I've found copying the .folders for such programs as Firefox and Thunderbird gets all the favorites or archive folders/address books.
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| 07:27:35 PM | revdjenk | RobbieF: iFanBoy
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| 07:27:54 PM | Garbee | He is so used to the old studio he doesn't like the new one.
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| 07:28:01 PM | revdjenk | RobbieF: iPacking iFanBoy
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| 07:28:11 PM | revdjenk | *iunpacking
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| 07:28:27 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief just engineer a new set of keyboards and mice
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| 07:28:28 PM | revdjenk | send in the clown
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| 07:28:56 PM | revdjenk | $60,000 worth of equipment
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| 07:29:04 PM | joedemax | i am a fowl Mac fan
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| 07:29:15 PM | GoodGuy | typical crook... just like apple lol
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| 07:29:17 PM | revdjenk | the thief said he didn't know who's house it was
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| 07:29:23 PM | Garbee | joedemax, Aren't you also a fowl Blackberry fan?
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| 07:29:29 PM | Dennis_Kelley | the stole the stuff to sell. not because the like Macs
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| 07:29:34 PM | Rednova1 | hahahahahahahahah thats epic!
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| 07:29:35 PM | Dennis_Kelley | *they
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| 07:29:40 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief they found out by the devices IP not his iTune user info
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| 07:29:42 PM | joedemax | Garbee i would sooner poke my eyes out than use a Blackberry
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| 07:30:02 PM | GoodGuy | Maybe he was the same joker who stole from Cat5
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| 07:30:08 PM | Garbee | joedemax, Ok, so who is it in GFQ who gets mad and leaves every time you talk bad about BB/RIM?
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| 07:30:17 PM | Garbee | I accidentally set him off one day.
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| 07:30:18 PM | cyberSmurf | if someone steals my daughter's iPod, will Apple help the police track them down?
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| 07:30:23 PM | joedemax | Garbee hahhaha that's certainly not me
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| 07:30:26 PM | Garbee | Andrew and I had a nice chat about it.
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| 07:30:27 PM | chrisreich | TheChrista do you know if RobbieF received a post card from Rochester this past week? I sent one.
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| 07:30:34 PM | Garbee | Ok, good to know then joe.
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| 07:30:42 PM | ajamison5579 | cybersmurf sure if you pay for the find my idevice program
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| 07:30:43 PM | revdjenk | chrisreich: which Rochester?
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| 07:30:45 PM | joedemax | i hate RIM
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| 07:30:47 PM | ajamison5579 | otherwise no
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| 07:30:54 PM | agamotto | cyberSmurf, No, but they can remote-wipe it for you
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| 07:30:54 PM | chrisreich | New York revdjenk
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| 07:30:55 PM | U-Al | wait for the music to stop Christa. lol
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| 07:31:07 PM | Garbee | joedemax, Good, you are on the same page with 99% of this chatroom then.
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| 07:31:12 PM | revdjenk | ah, went to school in Rochester Mich
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| 07:31:17 PM | _Jot_ | cyberSmurf, not likely, they will probably tell you that your tracking isn't precise enough, so they can't see if it is actually there, or their neighbours house, and refuse to ring the doorbell and ask if the item is on the premises
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| 07:31:24 PM | agamotto | I would settle for 6mbps around here
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| 07:31:27 PM | Dennis_Kelley | RobbieF - do you have a longer commute to work?
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| 07:31:42 PM | GoodGuy | I used to work for Rochester school system in my first job many years ago
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| 07:31:43 PM | cyberSmurf | appearently, most anyone can arrange to wipe anyone else's iPod/Mac :-(
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| 07:31:51 PM | chrisreich | I've got reliable 10Mbps here.
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| 07:32:05 PM | revdjenk | cyberSmurf: hee hee
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| 07:33:03 PM | chrisreich | RobbieF you'd get back before you left!
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| 07:33:16 PM | GoodGuy | They want it to hit any spot on earth within an hour or so iirc
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| 07:33:31 PM | agamotto | I could have faster service, but it would mean dealing with Mediacom again... ick
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| 07:33:32 PM | ajamison5579 | Rachel could have drawn it Robbief
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| 07:33:59 PM | cyberSmurf | jot: thx, I was just being facetious.
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| 07:34:12 PM | revdjenk | is that spider made out of leg o's
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| 07:34:19 PM | _Jot_ | cybersmurf, I know, but I wasn't, that actually happened here
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| 07:34:21 PM | agamotto | It needs two more legs to be a spider
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| 07:34:23 PM | _Jot_ | not to me though, of course
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| 07:34:26 PM | ajamison5579 | revdjenk absolutely it is
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| 07:34:41 PM | agamotto | that is just an insect
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| 07:34:43 PM | GoodGuy | Maybe someone pinched two off
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| 07:34:48 PM | Guest_3647 | it looks like the gadget from the wildwild west movie
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| 07:34:54 PM | chrisreich | and Recarro seats
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| 07:35:00 PM | revdjenk | steampunk spider
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| 07:35:15 PM | agamotto | Riparian entertainments?
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| 07:35:22 PM | ajamison5579 | that is because they charge 10k for a desktop
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| 07:35:24 PM | Rednova1 | I think having all that space in the new studio has gone to RobbieF head lol
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| 07:35:24 PM | ajamison5579 | lol
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| 07:35:26 PM | Drumstick | Uh oh, sorry.....IBM is most valuable ever....saw the story today.
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| 07:35:29 PM | RobbieF | :)
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| 07:35:54 PM | agamotto | Rednova1, perhaps is the fresh paint fumes
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| 07:36:10 PM | revdjenk | Drumstick: was that at techcrunch... I think they had to update their figures
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| 07:36:21 PM | Rednova1 | That too agamotto.......
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| 07:36:23 PM | ajamison5579 | love the description "Tv like Stuff"
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| 07:36:25 PM | cyberSmurf | jot: I don't think Apple nor the police would take any interest here, unless of course, the theft victim was a celebrity.
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| 07:36:32 PM | ajamison5579 | me
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| 07:36:38 PM | U-Al | At least until people realize that they don't need new iphones and ipads every year.
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| 07:36:39 PM | ajamison5579 | i spend all day at the PC
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| 07:36:50 PM | Drumstick | Not sure now. Might have been CNET....
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| 07:36:52 PM | jaepea | sorry but apple boooooooooooooooo
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| 07:37:06 PM | chrisreich | I used to be a my workstation 8+ hrs/day, now I have carpal tunnel syndrome. Permanently.
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| 07:37:10 PM | revdjenk | jaepea: don't be sorry
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| 07:37:21 PM | agamotto | I find that I am doing quite well with watching LESS television these days
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| 07:37:23 PM | chrisreich | That was a SUN workstation, by the way.
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| 07:37:53 PM | _Jot_ | ah, so do you get a TAN from that?
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| 07:38:08 PM | tic-toc | 7"
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| 07:38:14 PM | ajamison5579 | its an iSociety
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| 07:38:17 PM | agamotto | Given the old CRT monitors, I am sure it would be possible
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| 07:38:25 PM | tic-toc | All big ipods
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| 07:38:46 PM | revdjenk | Steve was wrong about 7" screens
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| 07:39:06 PM | ajamison5579 | you got iPains
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| 07:39:10 PM | agamotto | Levenger has some lovely silk pillows for your various pads/tablets
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| 07:39:32 PM | tic-toc | isore
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| 07:39:47 PM | revdjenk | iPad neck! new malady
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| 07:39:51 PM | ajamison5579 | Apple will buy the spider and call it the iSpider and charge 300k for each ride
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| 07:39:51 PM | cyberSmurf | chrisreich: that carpal tunnel can be serious. I go back to the Apollo workstation days, saw many victims over the decades. I'm a believer in the natural (ergo) boards now.
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| 07:40:08 PM | agamotto | I use them to hold up both my Kindle and hard-bound books
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| 07:40:32 PM | agamotto | keemo?
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| 07:40:32 PM | _Jot_ | I thought green glow was phosphor from the crt display?
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| 07:40:38 PM | revdjenk | qimo
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| 07:41:12 PM | agamotto | Most 'native' Alaskans still use Eskimo...
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| 07:41:24 PM | chrisreich | tell me about it cyberSmurf. My surgery was delayed by government bureaucracy for so long that I developed permanent neuropathy and chronic pain. (that's why I loathe Pelosi/Hillary/ObamaCare)
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| 07:42:26 PM | agamotto | chrisreich, i would imagine that you have difficulties with touchpads?
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| 07:42:50 PM | cyberSmurf | chrisreich: sorry to hear that, seriously.
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| 07:42:58 PM | GoodGuy | Preexisting condition deal is ok
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| 07:43:15 PM | New2Linux | What kind of keyboard RobbieF is using?
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| 07:43:25 PM | GoodGuy | If you have problems, no one will insure you
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| 07:43:28 PM | jaepea | i wish ubuntu would drop unity
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| 07:43:29 PM | chrisreich | I don't have a touchpad agamotto. But I now prefer keyboard commands over mouse clicking. Actually, I always did, but now with good cause.
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| 07:43:40 PM | agamotto | chrisreich, agreed
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| 07:43:47 PM | chrisreich | thanks cyberSmurf. Most here have heard/read my sob story before.
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| 07:44:00 PM | agamotto | My rodent is upside-down, and i use it as little as possible
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| 07:44:10 PM | cyberSmurf | keybindings rule!
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| 07:44:19 PM | _Jot_ | rodents upside down usually means they are dead
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| 07:44:24 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief is just killing all kinds of stuff isn't he so violent
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| 07:44:29 PM | Drumstick | Smoke em if you got em......start elevator music.
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| 07:44:47 PM | chrisreich | I used a pen with a touch tablet for a few years, but I haven't unpacked it since moving after my most recent divorce.
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| 07:44:49 PM | _Jot_ | I heard RobbieF was also telling people how to break into stuff and run things if they don't have the icons
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| 07:45:00 PM | agamotto | _Jot_, I have been using trackballs for so long, mice are awkward for me
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| 07:45:17 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, you said something about killing everything
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| 07:45:29 PM | ortsUsi | tool-2
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| 07:45:31 PM | revdjenk | are you trying to get panel back RobbieF ?
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| 07:45:50 PM | GoodGuy | That implies there were several divorces.... Can anyone beat Liz Taylor
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| 07:45:54 PM | smittysmit | I only use the Kensington trackball with the big ball
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| 07:45:56 PM | agamotto | Robbie is losing his Ubuntu-fu
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| 07:46:03 PM | GoodGuy | She had 8 or 9 didnt she
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| 07:46:28 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, 9 if memory serves
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| 07:46:32 PM | chrisreich | that may have been cool. I'll have to re-watch that part of the show....
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| 07:46:41 PM | GoodGuy | Thats what I thought
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| 07:46:54 PM | GoodGuy | Two to Richard Burton
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| 07:47:00 PM | agamotto | I am not sure how many times Richard Burton gets counted :)
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| 07:47:12 PM | jaepea | anyone hear any new news for steam on linux?
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| 07:47:31 PM | agamotto | jaepea, not in the last few weeks
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| 07:48:05 PM | GoodGuy | I think Linux Action show had a recent episode on some site that follows Steam on Linux
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| 07:48:20 PM | GoodGuy | 2-3 shows ago I am guessing
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| 07:48:27 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Hello!
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| 07:48:31 PM | tic-toc | Mars
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| 07:48:32 PM | revdjenk | GoodGuy: usually Phoronix is noted for following steam on linux
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| 07:48:34 PM | _Jot_ | I'm new to this show! I've never been to a show 257 before
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| 07:48:46 PM | chrisreich | Hey boys and girls, what DAY is ti again??
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| 07:48:48 PM | smittysmit | I'm not new. Very old
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| 07:48:50 PM | GoodGuy | That was the site they interviewed
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| 07:48:58 PM | jaepea | i really hope they do it
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| 07:49:00 PM | Dennis_Kelley | New to this Studio!
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| 07:49:04 PM | GoodGuy | I am new .. to this studio
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| 07:49:12 PM | _Jot_ | chrisreich, it is TheChrista day
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| 07:49:28 PM | agamotto | ouch
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| 07:49:35 PM | chrisreich | That's on Friday, _Jot_
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| 07:49:35 PM | agamotto | Those will kill things quickly
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| 07:49:39 PM | revdjenk | boo _Jot_ it is CHRISREICH day!!
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| 07:49:52 PM | _Jot_ | well, it was something with Chris, I remembered that!
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| 07:50:01 PM | Drumstick | He said Hydro......
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| 07:50:06 PM | Drumstick | again
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| 07:50:13 PM | GoodGuy | lol
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| 07:50:17 PM | revdjenk | installing new 240volt line, fun!
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| 07:50:33 PM | agamotto | India...
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| 07:51:01 PM | agamotto | Time for UPS on your devices
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| 07:51:07 PM | _Jot_ | Maybe RobbieF touched the hydro too much when he wanted to take a shower, cause he thought hydro involved water
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| 07:51:22 PM | revdjenk | wow
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| 07:51:27 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Has anyone made a serial cable to communicate to the Pogoplug?
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| 07:51:38 PM | GoodGuy | It does _Jot_ .. hopefully not from his shower though
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| 07:52:02 PM | _Jot_ | well, the whole world knows that, but they don't know it in some parts of canada, apparently
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| 07:52:04 PM | agamotto | Sounds like it is time to move
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| 07:52:21 PM | revdjenk | they could make potato batteries in Ireland...
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| 07:52:35 PM | GoodGuy | Send Cordery Electric on a mercy mission!
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| 07:52:37 PM | _Jot_ | Dennis_Kelley, some do have talked with it through jtag on some models, I think
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| 07:52:50 PM | Guest_3034 | Can you watch Netflix on Linux
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| 07:52:57 PM | GoodGuy | no
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| 07:52:58 PM | revdjenk | guest_no
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| 07:52:59 PM | cyberSmurf | Does Cordery Electric have a Predator Drone service?
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| 07:53:07 PM | agamotto | heheheheh
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| 07:53:14 PM | _Jot_ | Dennis_Kelley, some people have installed other linux versions on it as well, so then serial should be possible at least
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| 07:53:16 PM | GoodGuy | Call the USAF
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| 07:53:51 PM | agamotto | Tig welder will pull nearly 40A when starting up
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| 07:54:09 PM | GoodGuy | Tig or Mig?
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| 07:54:22 PM | agamotto | Tig... I have no experience with Mig
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| 07:54:37 PM | revdjenk | MiG are for old jets
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| 07:54:51 PM | GoodGuy | I haven't heard of Tig,,,, saw a Mig welder for sale sign last year
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| 07:55:03 PM | revdjenk | time for a generator?
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| 07:55:10 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, it's officially 230volts with 10% variance, so anywhere from 220-240, which means it's officially the same everywhere in europe, but in reality, it is still like before
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| 07:55:17 PM | agamotto | There are so many different ones these days
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| 07:55:41 PM | revdjenk | you owe us overtime tongight!
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| 07:55:44 PM | revdjenk | yay
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| 07:55:54 PM | Dennis_Kelley | _Jot_ - I am trying to get one working that does show up on my network. So i was hoping that I can Putty into it!
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| 07:56:10 PM | cyberSmurf | yea, we paid for a full show! oh wait a second :-)
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| 07:56:17 PM | _Jot_ | TheChrista, you were actually early, if you had been EricKidd (although lately he does better)
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| 07:56:18 PM | revdjenk | cyberSmurf: hee hee
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| 07:56:32 PM | revdjenk | blush
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| 07:56:34 PM | smittysmit | RobbieF what about security on the cloud
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| 07:56:34 PM | agamotto | take three
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| 07:56:37 PM | GoodGuy | Pogoplus USED to have a good forum, but they closed it down
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| 07:56:43 PM | gpop7 | christa robby has lost it
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| 07:56:47 PM | TheChrista | haha, I try to strive to be here earlier than Eric
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| 07:56:53 PM | Drumstick | I had one of those too....got shot!
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| 07:56:57 PM | GoodGuy | Numerous posters weren't happy
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| 07:57:08 PM | Drumstick | I cannot recommend getting shot.....just sayin.
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| 07:57:33 PM | _Jot_ | I find that the 'impact' part of 'getting shot' is particularly bad
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| 07:57:34 PM | cyberSmurf | Drumstick: hehehe
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| 07:57:58 PM | chrisreich | speaking from experience, Drumstick? :-)
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| 07:58:04 PM | GoodGuy | Mine are doctor appts, so I thank them lol
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| 07:58:05 PM | Drumstick | Yep, the waiting for it ain't fun but that impact part REALLY sucks!
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| 07:58:06 PM | cyberSmurf | the bleed-out doesn't look much better :-(
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| 07:58:12 PM | agamotto | American ICE could come by, raid you for supposedly selling cats illegally on the internet, and you lose all your stuff until someone figures out Cat5 has nothing to do with felines...
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| 07:58:29 PM | Drumstick | LOL
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| 07:58:36 PM | revdjenk | Mat Honan, even with his problems is depending more on the cloud since his trouble (apple messed up joedemax )
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| 07:58:41 PM | agamotto | I have been shot AT, but not shot, thankfully
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| 07:58:53 PM | _Jot_ | agamotto, by mentioning them, now their search agains heard of the show, and you might have actually made it happen just now
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| 07:59:10 PM | _Jot_ | agains? what word is that? type engines, Jot, you're an idiot!
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| 07:59:21 PM | chrisreich | I've dodged bullets, but I was not the intended target. I didn't get paid enough on that job...
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| 07:59:22 PM | joedemax | revdjenk the Mat Honan thang was a traversty
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| 07:59:25 PM | agamotto | oooo.... temporal paradox claudication.... calling the Doctor, calling the Doctor!!!!
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| 07:59:32 PM | smittysmit | I have 16gig on DropBox but only zip with password personall stuff
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| 07:59:57 PM | GoodGuy | Why not use TrueCrypt?
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| 08:00:16 PM | revdjenk | backupify is the a Steven Colbert made up name?
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| 08:00:19 PM | agamotto | To each their own
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| 08:00:25 PM | agamotto | revdjenk, heheh
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| 08:00:26 PM | revdjenk | *this
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| 08:01:04 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, they are an american content, they are required by law to send the decrypted content of your files to the american government
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| 08:01:11 PM | _Jot_ | company*
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| 08:02:01 PM | revdjenk | _Jot_: by law? name it please... or source
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| 08:02:05 PM | _Jot_ | patriot act
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| 08:02:07 PM | agamotto | Why do you need twitter to use this?
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| 08:02:20 PM | agamotto | Patriot Act, among others
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| 08:02:33 PM | GoodGuy | Doesn't it require a court order first?
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| 08:02:42 PM | agamotto | GoodGuy, not since 2003
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| 08:02:52 PM | GoodGuy | I didn't realize that
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| 08:02:58 PM | revdjenk | _Jot_: upon request...don't think everything at anytime... although Patriot Act is scary enough
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| 08:03:28 PM | _Jot_ | revdjenk, but a request can be a random 'send everything from all your customers', if they want to
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| 08:03:36 PM | agamotto | All they have to do is *accuse* you of a National Security violation... in the meantime, you try to defend yourself with no evidentiary rights
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| 08:03:42 PM | chrisreich | It does GoodGuy, until the unConstitutional colored law was put into place. Yes, they have to request it, your content is not sent routinely.
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| 08:04:12 PM | agamotto | Well, it IS sent routinely, but by request....
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| 08:04:28 PM | GoodGuy | The govt will probably have the largest porn collection on the net if they grab too many accts lol
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| 08:04:34 PM | _Jot_ | as far as I know, they also don't have to tell you about it, and the companies are not allowed to tell you that your data was requested, because of national security
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| 08:04:37 PM | cyberSmurf | As an American, I'm saddened to say, it appears that various agencies in our country no longer appear to be constrained by our Constitution nor laws :-(
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| 08:04:40 PM | chrisreich | ...and while the gummint can get your data, there are ways of protecting yourself from having it used against you.
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| 08:04:41 PM | revdjenk | agamotto: yes, innocent unless proven left long ago
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| 08:04:56 PM | Drumstick | Thanks RobbieF and TheChrista....enjoy your week.
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| 08:04:58 PM | agamotto | I am still laughing about DEA having to drop a case because they don't have the storage to hold the 'evidence.'
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| 08:05:12 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF, next week, will the brick wall be back? Can you build that fast?
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| 08:05:13 PM | revdjenk | thanks RobbieF great new digs, and yes you need at least one brick on the wall
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| 08:05:20 PM | Drumstick | Chat room same to you.
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| 08:05:27 PM | Drumstick | Bye all.
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| 08:05:29 PM | gpop7 | Good show. Get some rest robbie and christa.
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| 08:05:33 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Are you kidding! He carried it all from the old house! No box needed!
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| 08:05:35 PM | OldGuyJim | Good night all.
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| 08:05:40 PM | revdjenk | bye TheChrista , bye RobbieF
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| 08:05:48 PM | Stevo | bye all
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| 08:05:49 PM | chrisreich | What day is it RobbieF !?
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| 08:06:02 PM | agamotto | "I don't care if it rains for freezes, as long as I have my plastic Spock"
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| 08:06:04 PM | revdjenk | chrisreich day
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| 08:06:05 PM | _Jot_ | Maybe he just carried that one box with his star trek toys, and didn't let go, so everybody else had to move allt he other stuff
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| 08:06:15 PM | cyberSmurf | RobbieF: Amazing show considering the move and all. You always rise to the challenge.
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| 08:06:26 PM | eyemeansit | Robbie, congrats on getting the studio up and running! Been watching progress from your Twitter feed...
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| 08:06:38 PM | agamotto | Nah, he was busy carrying the box with all of the postcards ;)
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| 08:06:42 PM | Dennis_Kelley | yes because the box was so special
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| 08:06:44 PM | gpop7 | good night all. have a great week.
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| 08:06:53 PM | revdjenk | hee hee
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| 08:06:53 PM | GoodGuy | night gpop7
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| 08:06:55 PM | Guest_3647 | hello chat
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| 08:06:56 PM | chrisreich | g'night all.
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| 08:07:02 PM | revdjenk | g'night
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| 08:07:04 PM | _Jot_ | hi chat!
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| 08:07:20 PM | Guest_3647 | I was wondering if you guys can give me some advise?
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| 08:07:26 PM | agamotto | Well, at least I had a productive day off
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| 08:07:37 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: about?
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| 08:07:48 PM | GoodGuy | sure... cant promise it will be worth anythig though :-)
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| 08:07:49 PM | _Jot_ | don't run with scissors. That seems good advice.
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| 08:07:50 PM | Guest_3647 | hello rev
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| 08:07:56 PM | agamotto | heheheeheheheh
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| 08:08:10 PM | revdjenk | _Jot_: hee hee
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| 08:08:13 PM | Guest_3647 | I have a hd that use to be in an external enclousure
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| 08:08:24 PM | Guest_3647 | that was used for back up
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| 08:08:32 PM | agamotto | Ahh, such witty reparte... next, dueling trouts at 10 paces!
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| 08:08:44 PM | _Jot_ | african or european trouts?
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| 08:08:50 PM | Guest_3647 | it has some sort of raid but the board fried so I only have the HD
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| 08:08:56 PM | agamotto | Norwegan, you git
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| 08:09:16 PM | Guest_3647 | when I plug it into my computer it's doesn't read but I am able to see it
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| 08:09:18 PM | GoodGuy | Believe it is toast w/o the same RAID controller
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| 08:09:25 PM | Guest_3647 | with the disk utility program
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| 08:09:45 PM | GoodGuy | Cant even buy another RAID controller and expect it to read
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| 08:09:54 PM | _Jot_ | It's usually a 'standard' PC drive, so I would use the testing-program from the manufacturer first to confirm it is still working correctly
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| 08:09:55 PM | Guest_3647 | I can see the partitions but I was wondering if it is possible to access it?
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| 08:10:30 PM | Guest_3647 | testing program?
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| 08:10:34 PM | GoodGuy | RAID tends to splatter the data across several drives dewpending on what RAID type
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| 08:10:40 PM | TheChrista | SO....thanks for sticking with us during the first show in the new studio!
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| 08:10:40 PM | _Jot_ | Then, I would probably try to access it with a Linux CD because that seems to understand most file-systems
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| 08:10:50 PM | _Jot_ | Thanks for being there TheChrista
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| 08:10:52 PM | GoodGuy | What type of RAID
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| 08:10:52 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: that would be an excellent question for RobbieF , maybe you can send that in an email for next week's show... unless you need an answer right now
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| 08:11:05 PM | TheChrista | I know Robbie's been running around like a chicken with its head cut off, but luckily, he's got everything up and running in time for tonight
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| 08:11:10 PM | revdjenk | thanks TheChrista
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| 08:11:19 PM | GoodGuy | One RAID mirrors drives. another stripes it across drives
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| 08:11:27 PM | Guest_3647 | I don't know what kind of raid it has
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| 08:11:30 PM | _Jot_ | Guest_3647, you can download a windows-program or cd you can start the computer from, from the website of the manufacturer, that tests the harddrive
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| 08:11:41 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: you are running linux?
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| 08:11:47 PM | _Jot_ | If there was only one drive in the device, then it isn't really raid
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| 08:11:48 PM | Guest_3647 | I am
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| 08:12:11 PM | Guest_3647 | ok, _jot_
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| 08:12:17 PM | GoodGuy | Don't use RAID myself, but I have read hardware raid often requires the same model controller to successfully access it
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| 08:12:20 PM | Guest_3647 | but it says raid in the filesystem pictre
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| 08:12:39 PM | Guest_3647 | I see Goodguy
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| 08:12:40 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: was it dependent on a certain backup program ?
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| 08:12:44 PM | _Jot_ | Do you know the brand and model of the enclosure it came out of?
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| 08:13:03 PM | Guest_3647 | it was part of an external enclusure and it dies with lighting
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| 08:13:09 PM | Guest_3647 | died
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| 08:13:32 PM | GoodGuy | Was the RAID supposed to survive a single drive failure?
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| 08:13:32 PM | cyberSmurf | Are you attemtping to recover the data? or just reformat and re-use the drive?
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| 08:13:50 PM | Guest_3647 | I am trying to save the data
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| 08:14:06 PM | Guest_3647 | it was a frined of mine and he has his pictures there
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| 08:14:17 PM | agamotto | eek
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| 08:14:37 PM | GoodGuy | when you setup the raid, what was it supposed to accomplish.. higher speec, mirror data etc?
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| 08:14:47 PM | GoodGuy | speed
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| 08:14:54 PM | _Jot_ | If you really want to safe the data because it is important, it is probably best to get the services from a data-recovery-company
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| 08:15:19 PM | Dennis_Kelley | RobbieF - Thanks! Great Show!
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| 08:15:26 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: I would suggest copying what you can to another drive and working off that drive. This one may have suffered damage from the lightning as well, and may become unstable
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| 08:15:28 PM | RobbieF | :)
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| 08:15:32 PM | GoodGuy | Have you contacted the enclosure manufacturer?
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| 08:15:33 PM | Guest_3647 | not able to fund that endevour
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| 08:15:47 PM | cyberSmurf | If it was being used as part of a Raid, what Raid level was it being used in?
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| 08:15:54 PM | Guest_3647 | no, my friendo doesn't remember the manufacturer
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| 08:16:04 PM | Guest_3647 | he took it apart and save the HD only
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| 08:16:15 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: so he doesn't have the enclosure, now
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| 08:16:21 PM | Guest_3647 | nope
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| 08:16:23 PM | revdjenk | oh
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| 08:16:27 PM | GoodGuy | Then I am guessing he is in a world of hurt :-(
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| 08:16:41 PM | Guest_3647 | I know, it does sound that way
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| 08:16:51 PM | revdjenk | it may have been encrypted or compressed or ?
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| 08:17:07 PM | agamotto | hrm
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| 08:17:16 PM | revdjenk | too many ? and not enough answers.
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| 08:17:20 PM | GoodGuy | RAID internally reorganizes the sectors according to their own algorithms if I understand correctly
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| 08:17:29 PM | Guest_3647 | I really don't know, the only thing I know is that there was one folder that was encrypted but the rest was a public folder for the kids etc
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| 08:18:02 PM | _Jot_ | Raid does reorganize stuff, but only because there are more drives, if there is only one drive, it isn't really raid, but some obfuscation
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| 08:18:06 PM | Guest_3647 | am sorry rev, I don't understand your question.
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| 08:18:11 PM | GoodGuy | Any chance he can find a receipt etc for the old enclosure?
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| 08:18:26 PM | Guest_3647 | I doub it
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| 08:18:27 PM | GoodGuy | some other way of locating the manufacture
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| 08:18:38 PM | Guest_3647 | but I will ask
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| 08:18:47 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: after seeing Mat Honan's blog on his recovery of data from his wiped drive, it cost him $1600 to get it done at a recovery service. For Honan, it was worth it to get his data and pictures of his baby. What would your friend be willing to spend?
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| 08:18:50 PM | GoodGuy | It was just an idea
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| 08:19:00 PM | cyberSmurf | There are various Raid mode levels - mirrored disk, stripe-ed, etc. A lot of variables that need to be answered.
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| 08:19:05 PM | Guest_3647 | II have taking notes and I will email him some questions to see what I can gather
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| 08:19:20 PM | agamotto | Wel, folks. I am off to go amuse my animals this evening... I think we will go trot around the back yard
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| 08:19:38 PM | revdjenk | agamotto: need pics!
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| 08:19:43 PM | Guest_3647 | I will email the show to see if Robbie can help next week
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| 08:19:46 PM | TheChrista | have a splendid time agamotto! We'll be chatting at you soon
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| 08:19:56 PM | agamotto | Hmm, if I can get them to hold still, I will
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| 08:20:00 PM | Guest_3647 | thank you for all your suggestions
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| 08:20:01 PM | _Jot_ | Guest_3467, data-recovery-companies are specialized in this sort of thing, the problem is also, that anything you do can actually make it worse too
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| 08:20:02 PM | revdjenk | hee hee
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| 08:20:09 PM | revdjenk | no problem Guest_3647
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| 08:20:25 PM | Guest_3647 | good night everybody
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| 08:20:32 PM | _Jot_ | good luck Guest_3647!
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| 08:20:39 PM | Guest_3647 | thank you all!!!!
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| 08:20:40 PM | revdjenk | Guest_3647: yes, don't add, delete, rename anything...
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| 08:21:01 PM | Guest_3647 | ok rev
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| 08:21:04 PM | Guest_3647 | thanks
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| 08:21:13 PM | cyberSmurf | Guest_3647: good plan. Be sure to mention how many individual drives were in the original Raid enclosure. That will help narrow down the possibities for the Raid level it was being used in.
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| 08:21:38 PM | Guest_3647 | thanks cyber but there was only one drive
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| 08:21:54 PM | cyberSmurf | Then it wasn't being used as a Raid device.
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| 08:22:07 PM | _Jot_ | and if there only was one drive in it, then you really need to know the manufacturer and model of the enclosure, so you can find out how the data is encoded or obfuscated
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| 08:22:22 PM | Guest_3647 | Ok Jot
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| 08:22:31 PM | Guest_3647 | I will try to find out from my friend
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| 08:22:54 PM | Guest_3647 | hopefully he can remember, the lighting happened over a year ago
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| 08:22:59 PM | _Jot_ | Normally, if you are not sure about a drive, you would first run the program from the manufacturer, which it says on the label, but that is a risk too
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| 08:23:58 PM | Guest_3647 | from what I gather it was a selft containing unit
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| 08:23:59 PM | cyberSmurf | There is no manufacturer's label on the drive itself? Normally there is a label with Manufacturer, Model, Serial#.
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| 08:24:23 PM | Guest_3647 | the drive is a western digital but my friend disposed of the enclousure
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| 08:24:45 PM | Garbee | Sorry RobbieF missed the last half of the show.
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| 08:24:52 PM | Garbee | Well, 3/4s probably more like it.
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| 08:24:55 PM | Guest_3647 | it was probably one of those western digital books
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| 08:25:03 PM | GoodGuy | Normal recovery software likely wont help much with raid formatted drives
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| 08:25:11 PM | _Jot_ | oh RobbieF, that is such a shame, after you did all that on the show for Garbee
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| 08:25:16 PM | cyberSmurf | When you say enclosure, do you mean the drive shell itself? Can you see the disk drive platter?
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| 08:25:28 PM | RobbieF | I know ... so disappointed _Jot_.
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| 08:25:39 PM | GoodGuy | Most of the WD enclosures arent raid, are they?
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| 08:25:43 PM | cyberSmurf | jot: should we invoice RobbieF for this?
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| 08:26:11 PM | GoodGuy | Usually single drives like the green low rpm drives
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| 08:26:12 PM | Garbee | I had to take someones laptop(s) back after working on them.
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| 08:26:40 PM | Garbee | I actually got one in trade for the work since I told them it is basically unusable for any use in their house and I'd rather see it recycled than attempted to be used.
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| 08:26:50 PM | _Jot_ | unfortunatly, those drives are hardware-encrypted, so you would need to take the enclosure with the drive to western digital, for getting the data off
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| 08:26:51 PM | Guest_3647 | when I said enclousure I mean the ones you buy in Best Buy that people use as a back up in a home network but I think this one was only a USB one
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| 08:27:01 PM | Garbee | (I wasn't going to charge him in the first place since I barely had to touch the systems)
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| 08:27:02 PM | GoodGuy | Tossing the enclosure was a bad idea, but too late at this point
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| 08:27:21 PM | Guest_3647 | I know, he feels the same
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| 08:27:24 PM | _Jot_ | maybe if you have the serial from the enclosure, you could ask western digital for help
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| 08:27:42 PM | GoodGuy | He doesnt have the enclosure
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| 08:27:51 PM | Guest_3647 | no Goodguy
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| 08:27:51 PM | _Jot_ | they could perhaps break the encryption, but there is no way for other people to do that
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| 08:27:55 PM | Garbee | I'll watch the rerun and read up the chatlogs later this week after it is posted.
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| 08:28:05 PM | Garbee | TheChrista, It was good to see you again this week.
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| 08:28:09 PM | Garbee | Thanks for doing it.
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| 08:28:27 PM | GoodGuy | Having the drive s/n may not help unless WD keeps track of every drive used in enclosures
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| 08:28:38 PM | Guest_3647 | well, thank you for all your help and I have to go, night night everybody....
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| 08:28:46 PM | GoodGuy | and it was their enclosure and not a 3rd party
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| 08:28:53 PM | GoodGuy | Night Guest_3647
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| 08:29:01 PM | Guest_3647 | ciao, ciao.
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| 08:29:02 PM | _Jot_ | Apparently, a company called datamechanix have experience with this decryption, and it costs between $500, $1000 as long as that is the only problem with the drive And that was talking about a drive with enclosure
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| 08:29:13 PM | _Jot_ | http://community.wdc.com/t5/External-Drives-for-Mac/MyBook-Studio-data-recovery/td-p/31493/page/2
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| 08:29:43 PM | GoodGuy | Better be some very important pictures to part with that much cash
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| 08:30:01 PM | GoodGuy | wedding, baby etc
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| 08:30:03 PM | Garbee | RobbieF and TheChrista Have a good night. I'm off to sleep because I'm an old man and can't stay up past 9.
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| 08:30:07 PM | _Jot_ | GoodGuy, that was with the enclosure, so the encryption key in the chip, without an enclosure, there is no way
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| 08:30:09 PM | Garbee | ;)
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| 08:30:17 PM | TheChrista | Thanks for joining us Garbee!
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| 08:30:26 PM | TheChrista | We'll chat at you soon, cheers!
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| 08:30:49 PM | GoodGuy | I assumed it was pretty tough especially with so little info to go on
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| 08:31:59 PM | Dennis_Kelley | are you guys sure it was not just an external hard drive enclosure that the drive was in? Do those really have all that encryption and any RAID?
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| 08:32:15 PM | _Jot_ | some models of the wd external drives don't have encryption, but if it was one of those, you would be able to just plug it in and see it, cause then it is just fat or ntfs
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| 08:32:31 PM | GoodGuy | I thought he said it was raid.. Personally I am not sure of anything
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| 08:32:35 PM | _Jot_ | Dennis_Kelley, yes... check out that link I posted, and also http://forum.hddguru.com/western-digital-mybook-essential-data-recovery-t17398.html
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| 08:32:51 PM | _Jot_ | it was probably a My Book Essential, or My Book Elite
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| 08:33:32 PM | cyberSmurf | He said Raid a few times but it did not sound like one to me in the end.
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| 08:33:51 PM | _Jot_ | normally, if you didn't set a password, you would be able to put it in a new enclosure and it should work (probably), but he mentioned some encrypted folders
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| 08:34:13 PM | GoodGuy | Maybe it is the JBOD to make it like one large drive
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| 08:34:14 PM | _Jot_ | and the fact that it didn't show up as a normal partition but as 'RAID' shows it was a WD Encrypted Partition
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| 08:34:22 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I am sorry but i was not sure he knew it was a RAID.
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| 08:34:24 PM | _Jot_ | JBOD doesn't show up as raid
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| 08:34:44 PM | GoodGuy | I didnt know that.. just heard the trm
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| 08:34:49 PM | GoodGuy | term
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| 08:34:54 PM | Dennis_Kelley | your right _Jot_ he did say it showed up
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| 08:35:24 PM | _Jot_ | if you have JBOD over multiple drives, then the first drive will show up as a normal drive, the other drives will be completely unreadable as in apparently not contain any file system, at least, I think it was like that with mine, it could be both show up as regular drives if you put them in a computer
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| 08:35:50 PM | _Jot_ | haven't used it in a while and took the drives out etc :)
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| 08:36:02 PM | _Jot_ | I mean, I didn't test that so the drives are in
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| 08:36:07 PM | GoodGuy | Most manufacturers wouldnt want you to be able recover encrypted data.. It proves the encryption is basically almost worthless
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| 08:37:09 PM | cyberSmurf | Remote support is the pits. I don't know how RobbieF does it so well. He has a sixth sense and the patience of a saint.
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| 08:37:23 PM | _Jot_ | If you have something like the xbox or xbox-360 drives, they are not encrypted, but do have a password in the firmware, that is crackable
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| 08:37:45 PM | GoodGuy | I have a book on that somewhere
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| 08:37:55 PM | GoodGuy | Hacking the Xbox
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| 08:38:41 PM | GoodGuy | by Andrew Huang
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| 08:38:52 PM | _Jot_ | I also bought some WD external drives, but I opened them and took the harddrives out, because it was cheaper than buying the drives by themselves
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| 08:38:56 PM | GoodGuy | older book
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| 08:39:12 PM | _Jot_ | those were fat or ntfs formatted, so immedaitly readbale
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| 08:39:13 PM | GoodGuy | I was thinking of doing that also
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| 08:39:16 PM | _Jot_ | readable*
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| 08:39:33 PM | GoodGuy | Arent most the lower spped WD green drives
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| 08:39:39 PM | GoodGuy | speed
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| 08:40:01 PM | _Jot_ | yeah, which is fine for unraid :)
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| 08:40:20 PM | GoodGuy | my regular internal drive is a WD black
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| 08:40:54 PM | GoodGuy | I have a couple 750gb's in USB enclosures
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| 08:41:37 PM | GoodGuy | save video podcasts I'll probably never watch again as well as backup a few key folders
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| 08:41:57 PM | GoodGuy | and one spare WD 750gb black I meant to add in this pc
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| 08:42:16 PM | cyberSmurf | Out of time. Thx for all the good info guys, especially Jot! Catch you all next time.
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| 08:42:23 PM | GoodGuy | But just too lazy to disconnect cables, open it up and install it
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| 08:42:29 PM | _Jot_ | see you next time cyberSmurf
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| 08:42:30 PM | GoodGuy | Bye cyberSmurf
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| 08:43:36 PM | GoodGuy | Our kitty had to be taken to the emergency vet this weekend, so he got the money for my future iPad
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| 08:43:56 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Bummer GoodGuy
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| 08:44:01 PM | GoodGuy | Just glad we still have her
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| 08:44:11 PM | _Jot_ | sounds like a win, even though it's a shame that happened GoodGuy
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| 08:44:21 PM | GoodGuy | I thought she would have to put to sleep
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| 08:44:39 PM | GoodGuy | They think it was a kitty seizure
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| 08:44:52 PM | GoodGuy | she seems ok now
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| 08:45:13 PM | _Jot_ | let's hope she stays good
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| 08:45:44 PM | GoodGuy | She isnt real fond of Vets lol
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| 08:46:10 PM | GoodGuy | They had to sedate her just to get an Xray, blood tests etc
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| 08:46:38 PM | _Jot_ | One of the reasons I don't have a cat is because I'm afraid it will get sick and I have to go to the vet, that's how scared I am of doctors :P
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| 08:46:53 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I had to put my one dog Down last year! he was 17 though. But still heartbreaking
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| 08:47:26 PM | GoodGuy | We are used to doctors.. weekend was kitty day.. yesterday was take wife to the doctor day
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| 08:47:39 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Double Bummer
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| 08:47:49 PM | _Jot_ | 'dear, what are we doing at the vet', 'oh, I thought it was your doctor too'
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| 08:47:59 PM | GoodGuy | I know Dennis_Kelley .. the longer you have them, the more you grow attached
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| 08:48:37 PM | GoodGuy | We have a dry erase board just for doc appts
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| 08:48:51 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I have a Black Lab/ Shepard mix right now. She is 3 but when that day comes! I will need alot of time!
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| 08:49:21 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Ok enough of that sad talk!
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| 08:49:44 PM | Dennis_Kelley | How about those Tigers!
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| 08:49:46 PM | GoodGuy | I wanted to load Linux on my Pogplus and use it as a cheapo low energy NAS
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| 08:49:58 PM | GoodGuy | Just to share a few files
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| 08:50:05 PM | Dennis_Kelley | That is what I am trying to do also!
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| 08:50:27 PM | GoodGuy | The old pogoplugged forum had some posts on it
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| 08:50:35 PM | GoodGuy | But they closed it
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| 08:50:48 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I am not sure if I am liking how Pogoplug is doing business these days!
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| 08:51:05 PM | GoodGuy | and newer pogoplug updates made a lot of the posts obsolete
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| 08:51:14 PM | GoodGuy | I am not either
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| 08:51:39 PM | Dennis_Kelley | that is why I am trying to use the serial port on the Pogoplug to get access better
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| 08:51:53 PM | GoodGuy | Last I read they are using Arch Linux for ARM on them
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| 08:52:17 PM | GoodGuy | I am fairlly sure you can SSH in
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| 08:52:25 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I have one that I lost SSH access to
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| 08:52:38 PM | GoodGuy | They have a checkbox in the options somewhere
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| 08:53:03 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I know but i can not even access it through the web interface
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| 08:53:03 PM | GoodGuy | I didnt realize they even had a serial connector
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| 08:53:20 PM | Dennis_Kelley | yep
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| 08:53:28 PM | GoodGuy | Have to crack open the case?
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| 08:53:33 PM | Dennis_Kelley | esata also
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| 08:53:46 PM | Dennis_Kelley | no it is fairly easy to open.
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| 08:53:48 PM | GoodGuy | Which model,, V2 or V4?
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| 08:53:56 PM | Dennis_Kelley | found a video on Youtube
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| 08:54:01 PM | GoodGuy | neat
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| 08:54:12 PM | GoodGuy | I have the older ugly pink one
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| 08:54:21 PM | Dennis_Kelley | it says POGO-P21 in the case, black
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| 08:54:38 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I have a pink on also
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| 08:54:46 PM | GoodGuy | sounds like the newer v2 with the black case
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| 08:55:10 PM | GoodGuy | I dont know why I bought a pogoplug in hindsight
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| 08:55:13 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I wish that i can do more with backups to it. it seems slow most of the time
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| 08:55:34 PM | GoodGuy | I was going to let our son save some files at our house
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| 08:55:59 PM | GoodGuy | But my wife bought him an external drive, so he didnt need it
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| 08:56:23 PM | Dennis_Kelley | that is a good idea. get it off site and I can see more use if it. I also need to get more Hard Drives to it
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| 08:56:43 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Gets his stuff off site from hos place
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| 08:56:48 PM | Dennis_Kelley | *his
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| 08:56:53 PM | GoodGuy | It has several USB connectors
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| 08:56:57 PM | TheChrista | WELP! I should meander out of here. I'm afraid if I stick around too long that Robbie is going to make me start unpacking things
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| 08:57:02 PM | TheChrista | And we musn't have that
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| 08:57:11 PM | GoodGuy | Plus I believe it allows USB hubs for still more
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| 08:57:17 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Nope! see ya Christa
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| 08:57:25 PM | GoodGuy | bye TheChrista
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| 08:57:28 PM | TheChrista | I will chat at all you fine folks soon though, so have a fantastic week and an awesome weekend.
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| 08:57:29 PM | TheChrista | Cheers!
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| 08:57:37 PM | _Jot_ | un-packing? But I won everyhting!
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| 08:57:37 PM | Dennis_Kelley | I have two Hard drive enclosures on it now
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| 08:57:56 PM | _Jot_ | don't unpack! Send it to me! Do you hear me over there RobbieF?
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| 08:58:09 PM | GoodGuy | I disconnected mine after it updated the firmware
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| 08:58:12 PM | _Jot_ | geez, I always win after all
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| 08:58:29 PM | GoodGuy | Put it back in the box since I wasnt usiung it
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| 08:58:47 PM | GoodGuy | gotta run
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| 08:58:51 PM | GoodGuy | night
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| 08:58:55 PM | Dennis_Kelley | See ya!
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| 09:05:54 PM | _Jot_ | Don't worry RobbieF, you're not alone just yet!
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| 09:06:04 PM | RobbieF | :) thanks _Jot_
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| 09:06:05 PM | RobbieF | :)
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| 09:06:22 PM | RobbieF | just wrapping up the files and then have to do more unpacking. I'm so sore and tired... want to rest :)
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| 09:06:59 PM | _Jot_ | well, things sure look good so you sure deserve it :) but who knows what more star tek things are in those boxes, you might even find the books while unpacking
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| 09:17:24 PM | RobbieF | :)
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| 09:17:41 PM | RobbieF | I've got the box of books, but had decided not to fill the shelf with books just yet... wanted to display the goodies
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| 09:17:49 PM | RobbieF | it's a small collection, but it's something.
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| 09:18:24 PM | RobbieF | how's the new BSP?
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| 09:18:27 PM | _Jot_ | it was interesting to see :)
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| 09:18:41 PM | _Jot_ | it's a bit far away! And I hope your chair isn't killing the floor
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| 09:18:54 PM | _Jot_ | plastic wheels can do that, apparently
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| 09:23:54 PM | RobbieF | hmm...
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| 09:23:59 PM | RobbieF | thanks for the thought.
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| 09:24:14 PM | RobbieF | we might do as Christa suggested, as silly as it sounds... get a square of carpet and lay it under us
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| 09:24:16 PM | _Jot_ | has something to do with the hardness of the wheels, you'd need special soft wheels, or some carpet or something under it
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| 09:24:24 PM | RobbieF | k
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| 09:24:28 PM | RobbieF | first time having wood floors
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| 09:24:30 PM | _Jot_ | see, Christa is smart!
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| 09:24:32 PM | RobbieF | i'm clueless :)
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| 09:24:37 PM | RobbieF | yes, she's smart... but looks like a boy.
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| 09:24:59 PM | _Jot_ | Better not let her hear you said that.. she might beat you up
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