Chat Logs for Episode 258 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 90 Posts:invinciblemutant
With 74 Posts:GoodGuy
With 68 Posts:chrisreich
With 61 Posts:_Jot_
With 44 Posts:RachelX


Chat Logs:

06:58:03 PMRobbieF ha cybersmurf :)
06:58:08 PMB00|mbp nearly midnight here
06:58:14 PMajamison5579 did Scotty beam up Mr. Kidd
06:58:20 PMGarbee RobbieF, I'm going retro.
06:58:20 PMcyberSmurf hiya RobbieF! Glad you're still standing!
06:58:24 PM_Jot_ I have no idea New2Linux, but record what to usb?
06:58:37 PMDennis_Kelley _Jot_ - You got me on that [email protected]!
06:58:37 PMDennis_Kelley !
06:58:44 PMGadwil My nick change just through people in 4 other rooms *way* off.
06:58:45 PMGadwil lolz
06:59:13 PMGadwil Hello EricKidd how have you been?
06:59:13 PMDennis_Kelley cyberSmurf - he is actually sitting right now!
07:00:06 PM_Jot_ press play to play title now
07:00:08 PMEricKidd Hey, nice to see you. Hope you're all doin' well!
07:00:23 PMDennis_Kelley Its On!!
07:00:45 PMNew2Linux _Jot_ a podcast to USB drive
07:00:49 PMcyberSmurf Dennis_Kelley: hehehe..
07:00:51 PMDennis_Kelley Hello GoodGuy, chrisreich
07:00:53 PMchrisreich People of Earth, Greetings.
07:01:03 PMchrisreich hi Dennis_Kelley
07:01:03 PMajamison5579 you do not look a day over 257
07:01:04 PMDJMike Hi Eric. You can ask Robbie where i been. its hasnt been well
07:01:09 PMGoodGuy Hello Dennis_Kelley
07:01:25 PMGoodGuy hi chrisreich
07:01:41 PMGadwil RobbieF, They are referred to as "dwarfs".
07:01:44 PMchrisreich Good day, GoodGuy
07:01:48 PMGadwil Not only because of the awesome beards.
07:02:02 PMDennis_Kelley How come everytime RobbieF moves, the camera moves?
07:02:12 PMGadwil Dennis_Kelley, I think you move.
07:02:18 PMDJMike Hi Eric. You can ask Robbie where i been. its hasnt been well
07:02:20 PMchrisreich RobbieF's hair is getting rather long. Maybe it's for winter warmth.
07:02:21 PMDennis_Kelley Might be Gadwill
07:02:42 PMDJMike BTW I cant get on the BSP
07:02:53 PMGadwil Dennis_Kelley, That is why you don't have 3 beers *before* the show but wait until it starts to begin drinking.
07:02:55 PM_Jot_ Sasha looks a lot like EricKidd!
07:03:03 PMGadwil DJMike, What is going wrong?
07:03:07 PMchrisreich iCandy!
07:03:15 PMGadwil The new link is http://live.cat5.tv/bsp.htm
07:03:21 PMOldGuyJim Hey...nothing wrong with old guys.
07:03:28 PMB00|mbp did i really say that LOL
07:03:42 PMchrisreich I'm so old I remember when ancient history was just history.
07:03:45 PMDJMike I press show all and everything but the bsp shows up. I will just try that link
07:03:46 PMGadwil Install over ZorinOS?
07:03:50 PM_Jot_ New2Linux, here is an article about podcasting with linux: http://www.packtpub.com/article/podcasting-with-linux-command-line-tools-and-audacity
07:04:08 PMeyemeansit Knoppix: the ORIGINAL live-cd!
07:04:08 PM_Jot_ Normally, podcasts are just files, so whatever you use to copy files would work, if you download them or something
07:04:23 PMGadwil French Fries: My original snack food!
07:04:31 PMOldGuyJim I remember history when it was just beginning..;-)
07:04:31 PMGadwil take that eyemeansit.
07:04:58 PMU-Al used knoppix for file recovery on windows machines
07:05:21 PMOldGuyJim Has anyone tried Arch Linux??
07:05:24 PMDennis_Kelley Rest in Peace Neil Armstrong!
07:05:24 PM_Jot_ wow! This new HD clarity is so clear, you can even see the flesh-coloured wires growing out of RobbieF and EricKidds heads! They are just androids or robots!
07:05:31 PMB00|mbp oh noes
07:05:44 PMNew2Linux _Jot_ thanks
07:05:44 PMOldGuyJim I was fortunate to watch that first step on the moon.
07:05:56 PMB00|mbp U-Al: is here
07:05:59 PMGoodGuy I was also OldGuyJim
07:06:00 PMGadwil joedemax, Is Eric's beard jaggy enough for ya?
07:06:02 PMchrisreich OldGuyJim I'm preparing my head to try Arch Linux again after about a year.
07:06:15 PMGadwil If you point out your segway, you fail.
07:06:18 PMU-Al Hello B00. lol
07:06:25 PMB00|mbp bwahahahaha
07:06:32 PMDennis_Kelley I am using ZevenOS right now. not sure if I like it!
07:06:38 PMB00|mbp macbookpro tut
07:06:39 PMchrisreich DRINK!
07:06:43 PMGoodGuy There are a few Arch type Linux distros where they prebuild it
07:06:50 PMjoedemax that's a delightful beard
07:06:51 PM_Jot_ What did I win?
07:06:54 PMDennis_Kelley Hello!
07:06:58 PMU-Al hello
07:06:59 PM_Jot_ oh wait, that isn't a suprise, Jot winning
07:07:05 PMDennis_Kelley Nothing _Jot_
07:07:08 PMGoodGuy That is the Haiku like one isnt it Dennis_Kelley ?
07:07:14 PMU-Al >uncle al
07:07:15 PMB00|mbp hello unk al ;)
07:07:15 PMGadwil Bagpipes?
07:07:16 PM_Jot_ now that is a suprise, Dennis_Kelley!
07:07:20 PMchrisreich OldGuyJim if you need a GUI, give ArchBang Linux a shot.
07:07:31 PMGadwil What kind of a father are you to allow a child to play those horrid sound-making devices?
07:07:49 PM_Jot_ so what is coming up in the newsroom EricKidd?
07:07:55 PMDennis_Kelley Gadwil - whats wrong with Bagpipes
07:08:00 PMDennis_Kelley if played well
07:08:06 PMOldGuyJim I've gotten frustrated with what looks like Canonical starting to act like Microsoft. I've been checking out Arch and it brought back fond memories of installation slackware from 3.5" floppies. It really looks good. I tried the Archbang live CD and it saw my wireless with no problem. The latest Ubuntu would not do that.
07:08:14 PMGadwil Dennis_Kelley, I think that sentence filled it in... "horrid sound-making devices"
07:08:19 PMDJMike Thanks Robbie
07:08:49 PMDennis_Kelley Gadwil - Bad Bagpipes are not good!
07:09:28 PMEricKidd Aw, the pipes, played well, are splendid!
07:09:30 PM_Jot_ woohoo! Carrie Webb!
07:09:33 PMcyberSmurf raffle raffle raffe - all expense paid trip to the big show!
07:09:37 PMBitSprocket Ahoy all!
07:09:37 PMchrisreich OldGuyJim I love Debian, but an objective evaluation of what I was trying to do with it brought me to realize that Arch may be a more well suited platform. I put Linux on old PowerPC Macs.
07:09:43 PMGuest_1614 chrisreich: have you looked into Manjaro Linux
07:09:58 PMGuest_7740 hi all
07:09:58 PMGadwil EricKidd, As long as they are in a sound-proof room away from me I'm fine tbh.
07:10:02 PMDennis_Kelley I just got my first Kilt this weekend!
07:10:04 PMchrisreich never heard of it, Guest_1614. I'll look it up. Thanks.
07:10:29 PMGuest_1614 It's a new Arch
07:10:35 PMGoodGuy My brother was a rudimental drummer... practiced hours on end
07:10:39 PMOldGuyJim Guest_7740...isn't Manjaro the open version of Mandriva (Mandrake)?
07:10:40 PMGuest_3276 hi
07:10:58 PM_Jot_ hi Guest
07:11:13 PMGoodGuy no thats is Magia.. spelled wrong
07:11:25 PMchrisreich Then again there is the little known Isle Of Mann pipes...
07:11:39 PM_Jot_ To change your nickname, type /nick newnickname
07:11:45 PM_Jot_ where newnickname is your new nickname
07:11:47 PMGoodGuy My name is Mud!
07:11:54 PM_Jot_ no GoodGuy! Your name is GoodGuy!
07:12:01 PMB00|mbp my name is pond
07:12:04 PMGuest_7740 installed mint 13 love it
07:12:04 PMGoodGuy just kidding
07:12:05 PMOldGuyJim Sorry...I mean't Guest_1614.
07:12:05 PMB00|mbp fish pond
07:12:10 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy that is a cool song
07:12:20 PMGuest_1614 http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=manjaro
07:12:28 PM_Jot_ Spock looks a lot like EricKidd, same hair
07:12:28 PMGoodGuy I didnt know it was a song lol
07:12:34 PMGoodGuy just making a joke
07:12:41 PMGadwil EricKidd, Issac isn't that bad.
07:12:54 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy - yes by Primus!
07:13:32 PMcyberSmurf ahh, the saga of the mystery Raid drive.
07:13:34 PMDennis_Kelley EricKidd as long as you have a southern twang
07:13:39 PMGoodGuy We sat at the desk and cried and cried
07:13:45 PMajamison5579 yeah Country is all wining
07:13:49 PMajamison5579 whiney
07:13:56 PMajamison5579 oh heck they complain
07:13:59 PM_Jot_ that's not hair Erickidd, that's fungus! RobbieF has been hiding in the dark spaces so he didn't have to move anything
07:14:00 PMGoodGuy That is Charley Sheen!
07:14:13 PMGoodGuy winning
07:14:42 PMGadwil Get an *exact* copy of the drive and pull the board off and put a new one in and hope the lightening did not destory the data directly.
07:15:07 PMDennis_Kelley _Jot_ EricKidd has pointy ears?
07:15:12 PMGadwil Firmware.
07:15:31 PM_Jot_ sure Dennis_Kelley, he just hides them just like spock did when he visited our time
07:15:35 PMDennis_Kelley Sorry EricKidd
07:15:44 PMchrisreich I have a saying. "No backup, no sympathy". All in the chat room have my permission to use it freely.
07:15:55 PMEricKidd i'll get over it :(
07:15:58 PMDennis_Kelley _Jot_ with a headband/hat?
07:16:08 PM_Jot_ Dennis_Kelley, or long hair
07:16:16 PMDennis_Kelley Try that!
07:16:35 PMcyberSmurf love my BlackX
07:16:54 PMchrisreich OWC has one just like that. macsales.com - I have no affiliation.
07:17:01 PMBitSprocket SpinRite is a great option too
07:17:42 PMGadwil BitSprocket, SpinRite won't do to well with lightening damage like that.
07:17:52 PMDennis_Kelley *True that!
07:17:53 PMBitSprocket Depends on the problem really
07:18:04 PM_Jot_ EricKidd, no master/slavve with sata, because there is only one drive on a cable so they did away with that
07:18:15 PMeyemeansit BlacX is great, but only does sata drives... I'd like to find an adaptor that would enable me to use mine with ide hard drives
07:18:41 PMEricKidd _jot_, you're right...I realized that we were talking sata the second after i said it. whooops
07:19:15 PMGoodGuy Vantec makes one, but it is not a dock
07:19:27 PMDennis_Kelley It does look like EricKidd!
07:19:28 PMchrisreich eyemeansit couldn't a cable with an adapter be built to do what you ask? I've seen the adapters. Come to think of it, at OWC (macsales.com).
07:19:45 PMGoodGuy a connector with multiple interfaces via USB cable
07:19:54 PMinvinciblemutant is the video quality today HD?
07:20:23 PMGoodGuy MicroCenter sells it along with one by KingWin and a few others
07:20:23 PMeyemeansit chrisreich: very likely, just haven't tried it yet
07:20:35 PMinvinciblemutant it does not seem to be HD
07:20:42 PMGadwil EricKidd, I'm drinking water as well.
07:20:46 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, pretty much, but RobbieF connected the camera about 6 minutes before he put it online, so the quality may not be perfect yet
07:21:01 PMOldGuyJim Lightening damage usually takes out the onboard drive circuitry. Spinright needs good circuitry to work.
07:21:27 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: i can distinguish the quality really
07:21:51 PMinvinciblemutant it is like quality before the broadcast system upgrade
07:22:23 PMDennis_Kelley _Jot_ - didn't RobbieF say something about the HD camera at the top of the show?
07:22:25 PM_Jot_ invinci blemutant, yeah, but don't forget he's in the middle of moving and such :)
07:22:26 PMGadwil Quality is down this week as it was last week and may continue to be for another week or two while things are tweaked in the new studio.
07:22:48 PMOldGuyJim Moving ain't fun.
07:22:51 PMGoodGuy http://www.vantecusa.com/en/product/view_detail/266
07:23:00 PMGoodGuy That is the Vantec gadget
07:23:13 PMGadwil RobbieF, This year Christmas is on a Tuesday...
07:23:13 PMDennis_Kelley Even when RobbieF was sick he made a show!!
07:23:40 PMOldGuyJim RobbieF even takes the show on holiday with him and family.
07:23:45 PMinvinciblemutant yea, no backdrop too, robbie is on shorts
07:23:45 PM_Jot_ congratulations to Hillary! (If you're ever watching this)
07:23:55 PMDennis_Kelley True that OldGuyJim
07:24:01 PMcyberSmurf RobbieF and Eric: Kudos for keeping it ON AIR - amazing all things considered.
07:24:05 PMinvinciblemutant ask robbie to stand up, he is in his shorts
07:24:22 PM_Jot_ I think he changed to pants, invinciblemutant, he did change his shirt
07:24:28 PMcyberSmurf hehehe... shorts or p.j.s
07:24:50 PMOldGuyJim Whatever he is wearing, I bet it is comfortable.
07:25:12 PMDennis_Kelley Hello RachelX
07:25:13 PMRachelX Howdileee doodilee dooo
07:25:27 PM_Jot_ hi RachelX, good morning
07:25:36 PMOldGuyJim Hello RachelX....How be you.
07:25:38 PMinvinciblemutant lol..indeed...moving is daunting
07:25:51 PMGadwil Hello RachelX. How have you been doing?
07:26:09 PMRachelX Maybe goodmorning for you jot, evening here :)
07:26:17 PMRachelX I'm good, just blobbing figured Id stop in say hi
07:26:19 PMDennis_Kelley Is RobbieF cloths still packed? Nothing but shorts
07:26:28 PMjoedemax RobbieF a linux savvy burglar?
07:26:30 PMGadwil RachelX, When will RobbieF be nice and have you back on the show?
07:27:01 PM_Jot_ RachelX, it's night here! But I figured you were rooster-ing, so it must be morning there
07:27:04 PMrobgor hey RobbieF just tried it under ubuntu 12.04 at work and its working ok
07:27:11 PMBitSprocket I don't often watch the show live but is it only me that thinks the feed is low quality?
07:27:17 PMjoedemax BitSprocket no fiber
07:27:18 PMjoedemax lol
07:27:19 PMjoedemax soz
07:27:33 PMBitSprocket Thanks joedemax
07:27:34 PMOldGuyJim BitSprocket...my feed is very good.
07:27:35 PMGadwil BitSprocket, It is low compared to what it has been.
07:27:46 PM_Jot_ BitSprocket, it is a bit lower than we're used to, because RobbieF is in the middle of moving so things aren't set up as good as they can be
07:28:13 PMBitSprocket Gotcha, just was wondering if the problem was on my end. Thanks guys!
07:28:15 PMDJMike Robbie. I send u a email about windows live.
07:28:35 PMGadwil DJMike, What is your issue with Windows Live?
07:28:44 PMGoodGuy Hi RachelX
07:28:45 PM_Jot_ BitSprocket, not sure if you saw the beginning, but apparently we should be glad for it, otherwise we would all be starting at various nose and ear-hairs
07:28:56 PMRachelX I'll be back at some point. Checked out the new studio, fancy smancy.
07:28:56 PMB00|mbp lol
07:29:11 PM_Jot_ RachelX, no backdrop though, so not fancy enough yet :)
07:29:21 PMinvinciblemutant what is the resolution of a fullHD tv
07:29:25 PMBitSprocket _Jot_ I did catch that! LoL
07:29:32 PMRachelX Ahh the brick wall isn't back up. Maybe a new backdrop will make an appearance.
07:29:34 PMGadwil IPv6 FTW!
07:29:37 PMGoodGuy You didnt finish dressing completely RachelX ? (missing your "u")
07:29:39 PMDJMike He wanted me to add him to my windows live and he hasnt seen me on.
07:29:47 PM_Jot_ RachelX, let's hope so! At least the BSP is still the same, all white walls
07:29:55 PMjoedemax I LOVE LASERDISC!
07:30:04 PMajamison5579 upgrade to IPv6 is what they will need to do
07:30:07 PMGadwil joedemax, You are a monster on Earth.
07:30:14 PMRachelX Yeah you can tell I'm lazy, couldn't be bothered to put the u on. As if my last name is soooo long. hehe
07:30:26 PMOldGuyJim Bandwidth is going to go spppptttthhhh.
07:30:37 PMGoodGuy I had a RCA video disk..wasnt laser iirc
07:30:56 PMGadwil RachelX, It is better this way. We aren't trying to pronounce your last name.
07:30:57 PM_Jot_ RachelX, it's always about U anyway, isn't it?
07:31:00 PMajamison5579 it looks like someone strapped her to a chair and threw her overboard
07:31:07 PMDennis_Kelley but what happens if you can not move your foot?
07:31:12 PMGoodGuy I told RobbieF I missed seeing your cheerful cohosting
07:31:15 PMinvinciblemutant what is the point of having the wheels?
07:31:30 PMDennis_Kelley so it drives on land?
07:31:41 PMchrisreich Hillary should try that out with her sunglasses-cam
07:31:43 PMDennis_Kelley its amphibious
07:31:57 PMRachelX So anything new and exciting going on on the show?
07:32:00 PMDJMike That girl is in a dress. lol I think that is photo shop
07:32:10 PMOldGuyJim Is there any practicality to the chair?
07:32:14 PMinvinciblemutant amphibious? u mean the diver? or the wheels?
07:32:15 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, a lot of handicapped people go swimming that are in wheelchairs, there are special periods for that in swimmingpools, and of course there is the recovery-procedures that are done in pools etc
07:32:17 PMGoodGuy You are here.. That is something new :-)
07:32:21 PMGadwil The 40 minute newsroom
07:32:27 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, but they don't do it in wheelchairs!
07:32:39 PMRachelX haha 40 min newsroom Robbies viewers would disapear in a week.
07:32:45 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: I dont think that is diving...
07:32:57 PMinvinciblemutant wheeling in the pool...
07:33:04 PMGadwil RachelX, I don't think I'll be back next week.
07:33:07 PMchrisreich GoodGuy that's right the RCA video disc made physical contact with the cartridge on a 'tone arm'. The product that killed RCA as we once knew it.
07:33:17 PMOldGuyJim Didn't he sing on the moon?
07:33:30 PMGadwil PI!
07:33:31 PMGoodGuy Yes that was it... I had one and a coworker did also
07:33:55 PMRachelX i dont know Gadwil your one of his most faithful fans, 40 min of newsroom 20 min of commercials and you still might come :)
07:33:58 PMGoodGuy We had a local store that rented them
07:34:01 PMcyberSmurf OldGuyJIm: ...lol!
07:34:04 PMchrisreich I was at scout camp in RobbieF's neck of the woods when Armstrong walked on the moon.
07:34:11 PMGadwil RachelX, Not when I'm asleep.
07:34:17 PMOldGuyJim And it is easy to spill stuff into it.
07:34:27 PM_Jot_ I would watch that if RachelXu did the news
07:34:38 PMGarbee +1 to that _Jot_.
07:34:46 PMinvinciblemutant well, it isnt good to spill over on anything
07:34:47 PMGarbee Hopefully more cloud news that night too...
07:34:56 PMmaxwell6307 use it asa a media player
07:35:06 PMinvinciblemutant even spilling over from your cup to mine...:P
07:35:08 PM_Jot_ there's a lot of clouds in the weather lately, there could be news about tht
07:35:12 PMGoodGuy My old meanie wife insisted we toss the "treasure" out...who was I to argue with the cook
07:35:16 PMRachelX clouds, gnomes, cookies, cheese these computer terms are made just to mess me up
07:35:26 PMDennis_Kelley _Jot_ - Weather?
07:35:49 PMOldGuyJim Wow...Wyse terminal's...haven't seen one in years.
07:35:53 PMGoodGuy They have an emulator for Commodore 64 on Raspberry Pi's
07:36:01 PM_Jot_ Dennis_Kelley, yes, it is some kind of stuff that happens in that big room outside, that has all kinds of colours and a big bright lightbulb that nobody can find the on/off switch for
07:36:10 PMGoodGuy Saw an article somewhere iirc
07:36:43 PMRachelX Im buying a new desktop computer this year. What brand to choose. (not Mac eck)
07:36:56 PMchrisreich RachelX it gets worse. There's Gnome, shell (several of them), and Gnome-shell. All very different things. Not to mention Java vs. Javascript which resemble each other only in that both can be used to program a computer.
07:37:12 PMGoodGuy Why not build one to your exact specs or have it built
07:37:13 PMchrisreich RachelX Mac. Yes, Mac.
07:37:21 PM_Jot_ RachelX, try to get RobbieF to build one out of parts, that way you don't pay for the brand, and can spend that money for quality parts
07:37:39 PMB00|mbp true that
07:37:55 PMDennis_Kelley I have tried Knoppix!
07:37:56 PMRachelX I tried using a mac in animation, drove me insane. One hour and I said never again.
07:38:13 PMchrisreich Seriously RachelX, who will be your primary support person? What is that person most skilled with? Buy that.
07:38:21 PMGarbee RobbieF, The top bar is from Chrome itself.
07:38:23 PMGoodGuy I burned the Knoppix DVD last night
07:38:35 PMRachelX Yeah Jot Robbie would probably charge me a years supply of wine.
07:39:21 PMGoodGuy You a woman.. give him a year of whine instead :-)
07:39:33 PM_Jot_ yeah, good point GoodGuy
07:39:33 PMDennis_Kelley Good one GoodGuy!
07:39:45 PMRachelX :) Not even sure what to spend on the computer, dont want a garbage computer, dont need a super fancy top of the line few grand computer either. Something in the middle.
07:39:53 PMchrisreich RachelX, I've never known *anyone* who tried a Mac that regretted it, including myself.
07:40:05 PMRachelX well now you have :) hehe
07:40:20 PM_Jot_ RachelX, if you're doing art for category5, then maybe it can be a business-expense
07:40:25 PMchrisreich That surprises me muchly.
07:40:26 PMajamison5579 chrisreich i regret the price that is my blocker can not stand paying 4 grand for a decent desktop
07:40:37 PMGoodGuy Did they check their wallet afterwards chrisreich ... may regret the new balance'
07:40:59 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF - Pick the Canadian Version, it has beer and hockey in it!
07:41:26 PMchrisreich they don't get 4 grand for a laptop. And you get SO MUCH usable software and support. There's more to a Mac purchase than just the hardware.
07:41:28 PMGoodGuy China has more people than any other nation
07:41:33 PMinvinciblemutant china contributes to 1/6 of world population
07:41:49 PMinvinciblemutant another 1/6 is india
07:41:52 PMGoodGuy Plus I believe most can speak English
07:42:14 PMchrisreich probably not much longer. They have a scarcity of young ladies to perpetuate the species.
07:42:16 PMinvinciblemutant in their accent definitely
07:42:23 PMinvinciblemutant mostly
07:42:27 PMcyberSmurf next week, RobbieF delivers tutorials in Mandarin :-) wouldn't surprise me, that guy has talen.
07:42:44 PM_Jot_ I don't think Sasha speaks Mandarin, but RachelX could do it
07:43:17 PMinvinciblemutant are you sure that rachelx can speak chinese
07:43:19 PMGarbee EricKidd, Do you want to be anti-american again?
07:43:23 PMchrisreich GoodGuy those who bitch about the *price* of the Macs have not considered the *value* of the Macs.
07:43:26 PMinvinciblemutant RachelX: can u speak chinese
07:43:26 PMRachelX Ah yes next week you meet the new co host
07:43:41 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF - Ask chrisreich how good your english is?
07:43:42 PMRachelX Wo shuo yidian zhongwen inviciblemutant :)
07:43:48 PM_Jot_ RachelX, yes, but RobbieF misspoke as usual, he said it would be this week, so a lot of people got disappointed
07:43:53 PMGoodGuy They look nice, but very controlled environment
07:44:01 PMinvinciblemutant RachelX: amazing
07:44:13 PMRachelX ahhh too bad jot. I've only seen her briefly but she seems very excited to come on the show.
07:44:35 PMGoodGuy Price does matter to many users
07:44:48 PMinvinciblemutant RachelX: where did you learn it?
07:44:54 PMcyberSmurf I read somewhere that the number of English students in China is larger then the number of US citizens.
07:44:56 PMGoodGuy China
07:45:15 PMRachelX well i only know a few hundred words in mandarin. I took it in university a year and have travelled to china a few times. Taught english there one summer.
07:45:19 PM_Jot_ RachelX, would be nice to see you again too sometime :)
07:45:21 PMinvinciblemutant GoodGuy: english students?
07:45:23 PMchrisreich Price matters to *all* users. So does *value*. The disconnect is how many users take the time to consider the latter.
07:45:44 PMGoodGuy I recall RachelX saying she lived there for awhile
07:45:56 PMcyberSmurf "English Students" = students of the English language.
07:46:09 PMinvinciblemutant everyone has to study english in the school, it is a compulsory subject
07:46:16 PMchrisreich RobbieF serious question - wasn't Knoppix the first easy to install Linux (just before Ubuntu Dapper Drake)?
07:46:20 PMOldGuyJim RobbieF...We use Linuxmint, at work, to do that very thing.
07:46:25 PMajamison5579 chrisreich why take a machine that would cost 1k to make and charge 3 k for it that is price gougeing
07:46:44 PMGoodGuy Because they can?
07:46:46 PM_Jot_ I bet teaching English involves starting out and then shouting louder and louder untill the students understand, if I see how tourists try to get somebody to understand them
07:47:13 PMajamison5579 I like Macs but unless I win the lottery will not be buying one
07:47:18 PMajamison5579 to expensive
07:47:25 PMchrisreich ajamison5570 - because they are godless communist profit-grubbing bastards, that's why!
07:47:30 PMRachelX I always loved the english theme song they sung in school. Learning english easy job easy job easy job learning english easy job very easy
07:47:33 PMOldGuyJim lol
07:47:34 PMRachelX to london bridges falling down
07:47:35 PMcyberSmurf Jot: that is a special language teaching technique that we've developed in the US :-)
07:47:38 PMinvinciblemutant i have many chinese friends, they speak their english chinese way
07:47:45 PMRachelX i said that song is wrong in so many ways :)
07:47:46 PMinvinciblemutant strong accent
07:47:49 PMinvinciblemutant most of them
07:48:14 PMinvinciblemutant definitely there are still many who can speak like bbc hosts
07:48:19 PMchrisreich ajamison5579 you pretend to know much about how much it costs to build a Mac. From where does your knowledge come?
07:48:21 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, we'll remember your password 'demo123'
07:48:50 PMGoodGuy They use standard Intel processors iirc
07:49:03 PMGoodGuy standard hard drives
07:49:41 PMGoodGuy Hard to believe a motherboard costs 3x the normal price of others using that CPU
07:49:46 PM_Jot_ RachelX, it wasn't an easy job for you?
07:49:57 PMGarbee chrisreich, It isn't rocket science to calculate a Mac's true cost to build & ship.
07:50:20 PMchrisreich another way to look at the matter brings to mind another saying of mine - "buy cheap, replace often". My main Mac is now 6-1/2 years old and still going strong. It's on 24/7.
07:50:38 PMGoodGuy Unless Apple has to pay next of kin benefits for the stressed out workers
07:50:40 PMajamison5579 chrisreich their prices were set when they made their own proprietary hardware as it was more expensive since switching to standard hardware their costs have dropped
07:50:50 PMGarbee chrisreich, I have had Windows systems run for over 7-8 years just fine.
07:50:52 PMRachelX my pc ive had for 9 years, pentium processor eck it still runs fine but time to upgrade
07:50:59 PMGarbee The extra price does *not* justify it to most people.
07:51:07 PMGarbee If you take care of things properly, they last.
07:51:09 PMcyberSmurf I like the buy cheap, replace seldom strategy myself.
07:51:13 PMchrisreich Windows, by definition, does not run 'fine'.
07:51:24 PMGoodGuy Those nets around the factories arent to catch butterflies lol
07:51:27 PMGarbee chrisreich, When was the last time you ran Windows?
07:51:28 PMinvinciblemutant RachelX: run knoppix
07:51:39 PMRachelX no clue what knoppix is
07:51:45 PMGoodGuy Run Tiny Core Linux
07:51:46 PMRachelX gnomes evil twin?
07:52:00 PMGoodGuy Knoppix is a Linux Live CD mainly
07:52:02 PMinvinciblemutant yea ...
07:52:05 PMRachelX i dont like linux, drives Robbie insane but just not a fan
07:52:11 PMinvinciblemutant are you watching the show ?
07:52:19 PMchrisreich ajamison5579 Apple does not build anything with 'standard' hardware, unless you count the slim optical drives in the iMacs.
07:52:20 PMOldGuyJim Not all linux is created equal. Some flavors are leaner than others.
07:52:25 PMinvinciblemutant robbie is on the show talking about it
07:53:01 PMajamison5579 chrisreich apple has not made their own motherboards, CPU graphics cards or ram in years
07:53:13 PMchrisreich Garbee - ran, owned, or got hosed by? Please clarify.
07:53:14 PMchrisreich \
07:53:21 PMRachelX yes but when Robbie speaks computer its like another language to me :) I always need lamens explanations for everything
07:53:31 PMGoodGuy We'll have to try submerging RachelX under water.. if she doesnt drown, she is a witch and anti-linux (Salem Witch trials)
07:53:43 PMchrisreich ajamison5579 they design their own boards.
07:53:46 PM_Jot_ RachelX, they have a show for that called 'Category5' that explains many things. Oh wait...
07:53:48 PMGarbee chrisreich, Obviously you haven't done it recently which means stop acting like you know how a modern Windows OS runs on modern hardware.
07:54:00 PMajamison5579 not for desktops which is what i was talking about chrisreich
07:54:05 PMGarbee ugh K. I have config issues with that DE.
07:54:06 PMGoodGuy Foxconn make some of the circuit boards iirc
07:54:06 PM_Jot_ GoodGuy, I thought it was called the Salem Linux Trials
07:54:07 PMchrisreich and they are the only company that mills their laptop cases from aluminum blocks.
07:54:14 PMGoodGuy that also
07:54:18 PMinvinciblemutant robbie should learn chinese, speak computer stuff in chinese
07:54:30 PMRachelX haha ive heard Robbies attempts at chinese........
07:54:31 PMGoodGuy What about the new ultrabooks
07:54:44 PMinvinciblemutant how was it...
07:54:47 PMRachelX basically just a bunch of made up chinese sounding words
07:54:50 PMGarbee chrisreich, Actually they aren't. Apple is trying to get another company to stop doing theirs that way since it is a trade dress issue.
07:54:58 PMGarbee iirc it is Asus.
07:55:07 PMinvinciblemutant lol...that sounds fun
07:55:20 PM_Jot_ RachelX, it doesn't help that'you're acting like what he says makes sense in Chinese but is really insulting to them?
07:55:43 PMGoodGuy The Knoppix guy (Klaus) writes for some UK pc mags
07:55:51 PMU-Al does it have flash
07:55:56 PMRachelX yeah he might get a smack in the face if he used it on someone who spoke the language
07:56:23 PMchrisreich Well I do, Garbee and I find it unacceptable that software routinely requires to be run from within an account that gives the application and all other processes administrator privileges. Inexcusable.
07:56:52 PMinvinciblemutant is it because gnom3 requires video card requirement
07:57:03 PMGarbee chrisreich, Outdated. Ever since Vista they have been working on that and in Win 7 & 8 they have superb user control. Please stop being jaded.
07:57:16 PMOldGuyJim RobbieF...Thanks. I haven't looked at Knoppix for quite a few years.
07:57:18 PMinvinciblemutant can we have gnome3 running on vbox
07:57:27 PMinvinciblemutant i havent tried it before
07:57:30 PMGoodGuy Supposed to accuse him of being an Apple fanboy
07:57:42 PMinvinciblemutant enable hw acceleration
07:57:44 PMinvinciblemutant ?
07:57:48 PMRachelX i need to download dosbox sometime
07:57:48 PMchrisreich ajamison5579 Apple designs all their own boards with the exeption of RAM (trivial) and the video cards in the Mac Pro.
07:57:51 PMDennis_Kelley He said that last week!
07:57:56 PMRachelX so i can play all my old cheesy cheesy dos games
07:58:07 PMRachelX in full 16 colors
07:58:09 PMRachelX :)
07:58:10 PMGarbee chrisreich, Stop thinking like it is 2004 please.
07:58:11 PMinvinciblemutant next week
07:58:12 PMGoodGuy Sasha Baron Cohen is "The Dictator" lol
07:58:21 PM_Jot_ RachelX, lies! cga only shows 4 colours (out of 16)
07:58:24 PMeyemeansit Wow... that hour went by crazy-fast!
07:58:39 PMMathman47 Thanks RobbieF & that other nutty guy.
07:58:50 PMchrisreich end of discussion. No more factual arguments are being offerred.
07:58:53 PMinvinciblemutant it has been a long time, cat5 has got 2 co-hosts appearing
07:58:59 PMcyberSmurf Dennis_Kelley: hehehe..
07:58:59 PMGoodGuy Make her a Raspberry Pi
07:59:01 PM_Jot_ RachelX, see? RobbieF just promised you a new computer, that's how easy it is
07:59:02 PMGarbee chrisreich, You weren't offering one to begin with.
07:59:25 PMRachelX did he now
07:59:28 PMRachelX ill remember that :D
07:59:30 PMinvinciblemutant sure, RobbieF is a nice guy
08:00:06 PMgpop7 thank you for a great show. have a good week.
08:00:06 PMchrisreich RobbieF no post card yet?
08:00:18 PMinvinciblemutant good show, RobbieF
08:00:26 PMinvinciblemutant enjoyed it
08:00:28 PMgpop7 goodnight all.
08:00:32 PMOldGuyJim Night all...still trying to find 7.0.4
08:00:39 PMRobbieF Thanks everyone!
08:00:52 PMRobbieF chrisreich, you're not going to believe this...
08:00:58 PMchrisreich ?
08:01:03 PMGoodGuy Go to DistroWatch
08:01:07 PMRobbieF GOT the postcard (THANK YOU!) but [gasp] I left it upstairs on my way down with our water. :(
08:01:19 PMRobbieF I was kicking myself right off the top (watch back... you'll notice) :)
08:01:19 PMRachelX for shame Robbie FOR SHAME
08:01:21 PMRobbieF haha
08:01:27 PMRobbieF I'll bring it down for next week's show
08:01:35 PMchrisreich Well I feel better knowing that you've received it. Thanks for that.
08:01:42 PMRobbieF since the studio is in such shambles, I had not brought it down yet (nowhere to put it)
08:01:43 PMEricKidd Heck, if i knew he wanted kicking, I coulda done it!
08:01:43 PMRobbieF haha
08:01:44 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, you dropped it in water and now you can't read it and it's all mushy?
08:01:49 PMinvinciblemutant lol...i can understand that, new home, new feeling...
08:01:51 PMRobbieF sorry mate; thanks for sending it; can't wait to raise it on the show
08:02:06 PMGoodGuy Maybe he left it in the "Cloud" RachelX lol
08:02:18 PMchrisreich nowhere to put a POST CARD?! Now that's a shortage of space RobbieF! :-)
08:02:29 PM_Jot_ geez GoodGuy! Now she's laughing and can't stop. and we can't even see it
08:02:34 PMRachelX either that or the gnomes snatched it
08:02:36 PMinvinciblemutant well, i watch lifehackers, they wear shorts most of the time
08:02:40 PMGoodGuy lol that was the idea
08:02:55 PMchrisreich RachelX why did you regret a Mac?
08:03:16 PMRachelX yeah will have to blow up the postcard make it the new backdrop
08:03:21 PMGoodGuy She didn't have any money left for food?
08:03:25 PMRon_Smith night all
08:03:35 PMRachelX regret a mac?
08:03:52 PM_Jot_ is it a big mac or a small mac? I hear some people really like big macs
08:03:58 PMinvinciblemutant i wish to know too, i am on mac now
08:04:09 PMinvinciblemutant from mcd?
08:04:27 PMchrisreich earlier I said I've never know anyone to regret getting a Mac and you replied 'now you do' or something like that. Did I misunderstand?
08:04:44 PMGoodGuy Apple execs are eating caviar while poor RachelX is battling the dog for leftovers after paying for her new Mac'
08:04:53 PMinvinciblemutant i regret a mac in terms of its OS...
08:05:08 PMinvinciblemutant I prefer linux, in terms of hardware, it is brilliant
08:05:12 PMRachelX no you said anyone who tried a mac
08:05:23 PMRachelX i have tried a mac and didnt like it
08:05:43 PMGuest_1614 invinciblemutant: what makes a Mac so good the software or the hardware?
08:05:48 PMinvinciblemutant RachelX: havent owned it
08:05:56 PMchrisreich I didn't 'grok' the Mac either at first, but the more I used it, the more I liked it.
08:05:59 PMRachelX i just didnt like how the desktop was laid out, the scrolling icons, didnt run all the programs etc. Just didnt like using it.
08:06:01 PMinvinciblemutant according to apple, the combintation
08:06:17 PMGoodGuy The elite status you feel as an owner? Like driving a Mercedes etc
08:06:22 PMinvinciblemutant for me, the hardware is good, steady, well built body
08:06:41 PMchrisreich invinciblemutant agreed, Linux is brilliant. So is FreeBSD. Linux on PPC Macs rocks.
08:06:56 PMinvinciblemutant i would prefer a merc body with a toyota engine
08:07:09 PMGoodGuy Can you easily update your Mac with new motherboards as tech advances?
08:07:19 PMinvinciblemutant as toyota makes better engines for city cars
08:07:27 PMchrisreich RachelX have you heard of the 'baby duckling syndrome'?
08:07:38 PM_Jot_ GoodGuy, sure you can, just buy a new one
08:07:43 PMinvinciblemutant but i like hard body of a mac
08:07:52 PMinvinciblemutant i like the accessories of a merc
08:07:52 PMGoodGuy My point exactly! :-)
08:07:53 PMchrisreich GoodGuy irrelevant. You can't do it with Windows either.
08:08:00 PMGoodGuy Wanna bet
08:08:14 PMinvinciblemutant mac is so constraning
08:08:33 PMinvinciblemutant i havent paid anythig for os upgrade, except macos
08:08:40 PMinvinciblemutant in my life
08:08:41 PMGoodGuy I still had the first case I ever bought being used for years until a few years ago
08:08:45 PMchrisreich You have to get 'special permission' from MS if you change your hardware "too much". It's their anti-theft practice.
08:08:55 PMGoodGuy Pop in a new mobo, memory etc
08:09:03 PMGuest_1614 Are motherboards branded to prevent swapping
08:09:11 PMGoodGuy at least you could salvage a few parts
08:09:44 PMcyberSmurf cybersmurf * sees the first salvos of an OS war breaking out ... flees for a refugee camp :-)
08:10:00 PMGoodGuy Their mobos are buried in the screens, arent they
08:10:04 PMRachelX Anyhoo my laptop battery is about empty so I'm gonna run, nice talking to you all. Bye for now :)
08:10:14 PMchrisreich invinciblemutant all human-created works have limitations. "Constraining" is a subjective term.
08:10:27 PMchrisreich good night, RachelX
08:10:33 PMinvinciblemutant it is for me, subject to invinciblemutant indeed
08:10:40 PMGoodGuy Looked like that at the local Best Buy when I saw a few on a demo table
08:10:48 PMrobgor great show RobbieF and EricKidd
08:10:59 PMinvinciblemutant chrisreich: i miss all my commands and programs in linux
08:11:18 PMinvinciblemutant i miss all the scripts i have written on linux
08:11:22 PMchrisreich you mean on your Mac you miss them?
08:11:28 PMcyberSmurf Good show RobbieF & EricK - nite
08:11:44 PM_Jot_ Guest_1614, apple motherboards or others? With Apple, you need the specific motherboard that came with it, and with most other computers, it is not that strict
08:11:56 PMinvinciblemutant yea...i miss my linux commands when i am on my mac
08:12:25 PMrobgor RobbieF not sure what is happening different but was able to watch the show on my Ipod Touch with wifi for the first time without cutting out
08:12:39 PMchrisreich well of course you could open a terminal on the Mac and use FreeBSD commands. Most are similar, some are identical.
08:12:52 PM_Jot_ Guest_1614, most motherboards aren't branded or something like that, but some computers could have that for security-purposes (for example, like the xbox 360 or ps/3 etc)
08:12:57 PMGoodGuy Maybe Apples cost so much more because all those patent lawyers aren't working cheap lol
08:13:09 PMchrisreich Or you could run Linux on your Mac. I've done that *many* times.
08:13:15 PMinvinciblemutant chrisreich: you own understand until u use it
08:13:39 PMinvinciblemutant you wont....***
08:13:40 PMchrisreich use what?
08:13:53 PMGoodGuy Or could run Linux on a regular PC.. for 1/3 the price :-)
08:13:54 PMinvinciblemutant u used mac before...it seems
08:14:20 PMchrisreich I've used virtually everything at one time or another.
08:14:25 PMinvinciblemutant i got this mac at half the price, my friend sold it to me after 3 months using it
08:14:36 PMchrisreich sounds like a good deal
08:14:37 PMinvinciblemutant he barely use it
08:14:43 PMinvinciblemutant it was a good deal
08:14:49 PMinvinciblemutant :)
08:14:58 PMchrisreich intel or PPC?
08:14:59 PMGuest_1614 Jot i think HP does as well. I wanted to replace one that had burned but was toled it had to come from Hp for the os to work
08:15:09 PMinvinciblemutant 2012 mar version mac pro
08:15:24 PM_Jot_ all macs are intel these days
08:15:28 PMGoodGuy I dont care for the gloss screens, but that is just a personal choice
08:15:34 PMchrisreich Holy crap you've got a beast!
08:15:35 PMinvinciblemutant yes, all are intel
08:15:56 PMinvinciblemutant PPC is up to G4 only is it?
08:16:00 PM_Jot_ Guest_1614, often those are not branded, but they do make their own motherboards, so you can't replace it with anyone. often it is a standard motherboard, but with some connections different
08:16:21 PM_Jot_ guest_1614, most of the time, some wires in the connector to the powersupply are changed around for example
08:16:53 PMchrisreich I think I could live w/ the glossy screen because it's high contrast. In the home, that is. The larger laptops have a matte option which I would insist on, personally.
08:17:15 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: Guest_1614 'standard motherboard' is confusing, bear in mind that diff cpu requires different chipset on the montherboard, please take care of this
08:17:32 PMGoodGuy As long as you have the windows covered, it is probably ok
08:17:50 PMGoodGuy Otherwise you can see too many reflections
08:17:53 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: Guest_1614 motherboard for an intel cpu is diff from amd cpu
08:17:55 PMGuest_1614 got it
08:17:55 PMchrisreich PPC's had G5s, 64-bit, in the desktop versions, but not laptops.
08:18:18 PM_Jot_ yeah, I mean standard as in standard connections and things compared to what brands like hp, dell, etc, would use
08:18:20 PMinvinciblemutant different generation of cpu will need different chipset to support
08:18:32 PMinvinciblemutant most of the time, they are not backward compatible
08:18:58 PMchrisreich I interpret the term "standard motherboard" to mean one of a standard form factor; ATX for example.
08:19:01 PMinvinciblemutant chrisreich: another thing on mac is that, you have to buy adapters for your display port on macbook pro
08:19:22 PMinvinciblemutant different ones if you have macbook pro and macbook air
08:19:25 PMinvinciblemutant they are different
08:19:34 PMinvinciblemutant i have just caught on this
08:20:30 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: chrisreich standard motherboard:i just tried to clear the air
08:20:40 PM_Jot_ the nice things about standards is that there are so many to choose from :)
08:20:41 PMinvinciblemutant :)
08:21:02 PMchrisreich I don't see that as a deal breaker. That's a minor detail that may or may not be an issue for any given user. Besides, those adapters (I have one on my iMac) provide strain relief.
08:21:05 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: I do agree with _Jot_
08:21:42 PMchrisreich having to use an adapter for video is common in the industry.
08:21:52 PMinvinciblemutant Most of the time, upgrade is cheaper with clone machines
08:22:48 PMinvinciblemutant chrisreich: most of the laptop manufacturers use hdmi !!! not display port (apple only)
08:23:11 PMRobbieF chrisreich - bottoms up. Cheers. :)
08:23:15 PMchrisreich they do now, but that's a recent developmetnt.
08:23:24 PMRobbieF Just a wee spot of JD for my friend Eric and me.
08:23:27 PMinvinciblemutant may be that is the elegance being special...
08:23:35 PMchrisreich cheers, RobbieF. Keep up your good works!
08:23:43 PMRobbieF Thanks :)
08:24:00 PMEricKidd Mmmm :)
08:24:17 PMinvinciblemutant wow...happy hour
08:24:36 PMEricKidd only an hour?

Participants

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B00|mbp
BitSprocket
DJMike
Dennis_Kelley
EricKidd
Gadwil
Garbee
GoodGuy
Guest_1614
Guest_3276
Guest_7740
Mathman47
New2Linux
OldGuyJim
RachelX
RobbieF
Ron_Smith
U-Al
_Jot_
ajamison5579
chrisreich
cyberSmurf
eyemeansit
gpop7
invinciblemutant
joedemax
maxwell6307
robgor