Chat Logs for Episode 263 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


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Chat Logs:

06:58:13 PMmaxwell6307 Eric has the cool cardigan on tonight lol
06:58:22 PMT0B33 Mine are. What do you call those massive nerdy ones??
06:58:34 PM_Jot_ I am not sure such glasses work anymore, I mean, when you started hearing about them, it was in the time of the CRT-monitors, now we use completely different types
06:59:06 PMinvinciblemutant post your photo somewhere with them on...:D
06:59:42 PMledzep wayfarers
06:59:52 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: u mean that all monitors (L*D types) are with glasses on by default?
06:59:55 PMT0B33 Really invinciblemutant? haha
07:00:48 PMinvinciblemutant T0B33: I share the same time zone with you...
07:00:51 PMinvinciblemutant anyone here from manchester
07:00:54 PMT0B33 After the show i will invinciblemutant :)
07:00:56 PMEricKidd Here we goooooo
07:00:59 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, I mean they were meant to lessen the impact of the refreshing of the picture because of the empty frames that people don't see, but LCDs don't have that kind of refresh
07:01:02 PMEightMilesFromTJ hey everyone
07:01:12 PM_Jot_ at least, that's what I understand from what I remember
07:01:15 PMinvinciblemutant I may get my raspberry pi tomorrow
07:01:15 PM_Jot_ hi everybody
07:01:39 PM_Jot_ hey RobbieF and EricKidd! I'm from The Netherlands as everybody knows
07:01:44 PM_Jot_ great invinciblemutant
07:02:04 PMalbertr Hey I'm from Iceland
07:02:57 PMinvinciblemutant you know guys, i was silly using a pair of polarised glasses with my laptop, it seems that my laptop screen is also polarized...
07:03:07 PMinvinciblemutant just blacked out
07:03:07 PM_Jot_ EricKidd, you played you were RobbieF? I never saw that! Actually, you probably just were too good and I couldn't tell it really wasn't RobbieF
07:03:09 PMinvinciblemutant lol
07:03:45 PMinvinciblemutant cool...
07:03:49 PMledzep Shopping for eyeglasses.
07:03:58 PMGarbee EricKidd, They left in a hurry from the show didn't they?
07:04:00 PMCarley Yea! I was there. :)
07:04:12 PM_Jot_ I did fly over! I just didn't stop on the way
07:04:15 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: if my name got drawn, dont void the draw again...
07:04:20 PMinvinciblemutant :P
07:04:28 PMT0B33 urgh bees
07:04:29 PM_Jot_ Geez, they want you to fly over, so you fly over, and it still isn't good enough for them.
07:04:30 PMledzep Windows 8 is promising.
07:04:37 PMinvinciblemutant i just lucky, you can deny that...:P
07:04:48 PMT0B33 Windows 8 looks like a webpage :)
07:04:48 PMinvinciblemutant you cant deny that
07:04:57 PM_Jot_ I just had to let you win cause I always win and it got too much invinciblemutant :)
07:05:03 PMledzep yeah its nice
07:05:05 PMGarbee RobbieF, single letter domain names are reserved iirc.
07:05:22 PMGarbee not .com.us
07:05:32 PMGarbee We do have .us though
07:05:37 PM_Jot_ winodws 8 sucks, since there are no categories to put your applications in, you spend hours looking for the right icon to click if you can't remember a name
07:05:37 PMinvinciblemutant lol
07:05:47 PMGarbee _Jot_, You make your own categories.
07:05:54 PMledzep What is tech?
07:06:04 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: drawbot drew my name again last week for the battery...lol
07:06:18 PMajamison5579 I reserve judgement on Windows 8 until I have some RTM hands on experience
07:06:20 PMinvinciblemutant :)
07:06:22 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, I had a falling out with drawbot, I bet that's why
07:06:56 PM_Jot_ ajamison5579, I do, it has been available officially for a long time on MSDN and technet
07:07:02 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: RobbieF may blacklist me by hacking the drawbot code
07:07:09 PMT0B33 Urgh i think its thundering
07:07:12 PMajamison5579 I was not a fan of the preview release but I am going to try the final at least
07:07:24 PMajamison5579 _jot_ I can not afford an MSDN subscription
07:07:33 PMajamison5579 not willing to pay MS that much $$
07:07:37 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, it's not putting you in that's an issue, it's from removing removing you from drawbot the next drawing that's the issue :)
07:07:43 PMinvinciblemutant to be frank, the ecoalkalines is a good brand
07:08:04 PMmaxwell6307 is justin.tv on xbmc?
07:08:08 PMDrumstick Hello everyone
07:08:12 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, Sasha looks really odd today
07:08:22 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: RobbieF can make my name never been picked up by the bot
07:08:26 PM_Jot_ ajamison5579, yeah, technet is a bit cheaper, and for me it is more efficient to have that instead of buying new licenses for all computers
07:08:50 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, yes, he did that with me too, but he has to remember taking it out again, that is what I meant
07:09:03 PMajamison5579 _jot_ I agree about technet but still out of my price range though would gladly pay it if I could MSDN though is uber expensive
07:09:09 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: lol...
07:09:22 PMinvinciblemutant you have been too close to him ...:D friends do not need that
07:09:32 PM_Jot_ ajamison5579, they do have a cheaper license now with only 2 keys instead of 5
07:09:33 PMledzep the yanks say f_ around
07:09:58 PMajamison5579 _jot_ 2 keys per product or 2 keys total
07:10:17 PMledzep chewin the rag
07:10:18 PM_Jot_ ajamison5579, 2 keys per product, that's for technet, haven't checked if they have it for msdn, but probably not
07:11:25 PM_Jot_ EricKidd, RobbieF has a blog called bald nerd, so you can call him that (it's at http://www.baldnerd.com )
07:12:05 PMinvinciblemutant yea...he has very nice skull shape...he looks nerd, and looking good too
07:12:36 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, I wouldn't accept that insult from Sasha he just made
07:14:27 PM_Jot_ could be and too, RobbieF
07:15:37 PMinvinciblemutant swim with passport
07:15:49 PMinvinciblemutant no border official to check your passport if you swim
07:15:59 PM_Jot_ make sure to put the passport in a watertight container
07:16:32 PMCarley I live 1/2 a block from it and I say the same as Robbie! :-)
07:16:39 PM_Jot_ in many countries you are required to show or hand over identification whenever asked by an official, so you are required to carry them 24/7
07:16:46 PMinvinciblemutant who will check for the passport, a passport is redundant
07:17:55 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, don't let Sasha insult you so much! You are not so bad with pronounciation always
07:18:07 PMinvinciblemutant then i will thinking like border official will be dressed like bay watcher at the beach, waiting for one to swim from australia
07:19:00 PMGarbee Now Flash is exclusive to Chrome through the Pepper API. So no new standalone flash on Linux.
07:19:03 PMT0B33 Might be a good way to finish my drive off to be honest. Always loved Debian.
07:19:17 PM_Jot_ reminds me of a news article about somebody who had the bright idea to go swimming from France or the UK to the US out of the blue, but they did get him out of the water even though it was spur of the moment, a little after he did it
07:19:22 PMinvinciblemutant indeed, i can understand robbie very well...unlike many british here, they speak with pride of their accents
07:20:00 PMinvinciblemutant it is hard to understand mancunian accent for me
07:20:25 PMinvinciblemutant extra repo?
07:20:59 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, there also was a non-free repository, do you need to add that too? What is it for if not?
07:21:20 PMinvinciblemutant what is the extra sound?
07:22:23 PMray___ what is the site for mobile devices
07:22:37 PM_Jot_ http://m.cat5.tv
07:23:03 PMinvinciblemutant thanks for the answer
07:23:30 PMGarbee EricKidd, Has it.
07:23:59 PMray___ thanks
07:24:15 PMGarbee I'm trying to remember back to compiz days.
07:24:25 PM_Jot_ something about having to run compiz --restart or something?
07:24:47 PMledzep Unity and Compiz are tricky
07:25:13 PMinvinciblemutant gnome-panel is missing?
07:26:05 PMalbertr who needs compiz?
07:26:23 PMinvinciblemutant what if type gnome-panel in the terminal if it appears?
07:26:47 PMT0B33 Bloaty!
07:27:06 PMinvinciblemutant i like it
07:27:08 PMT0B33 Probably EricKidd haha
07:27:18 PMT0B33 Sent about 2 this week i think
07:27:19 PMGarbee RobbieF, Compiz is outdated junk.
07:27:27 PMledzep Compiz runs nice in Zorin
07:27:38 PM_Jot_ I don't use compiz, it doesn't even run on this computer currently
07:27:38 PMT0B33 Ecomorph is better!!
07:27:39 PMmaxwell6307 not junk
07:27:41 PMajamison5579 aaaaaala
07:27:41 PMinvinciblemutant Garbee: what is the new thing that makes it outdated?
07:27:46 PMajamison5579 its a-la
07:27:54 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Just not using it.
07:28:00 PMGarbee Also Wayland.
07:28:19 PMGarbee Wayland is boss. Replaces X and Compiz.
07:28:38 PMGarbee Well, not replaces, but makes building easier.
07:28:50 PMinvinciblemutant T0B33: what was the brand of the ssd
07:29:00 PMGarbee If compiz were restarted for Wayland it would be much better than the current junk code they have. The base has literally sat for years almost untouched.
07:29:01 PMinvinciblemutant my sdd died within 2 months from new
07:29:04 PMT0B33 invinciblemutant TDK
07:29:07 PMT0B33 Nice and cheap :)
07:29:11 PM_Jot_ Sasha aka EricKidd in on today again too, too bad the SD card died so you can't make a new backup of it today. But do make a backup of the new SD card.
07:29:16 PM_Jot_ is*
07:29:31 PMajamison5579 I do daily backups but need to find a affordable way to do offsite copies of my backups
07:29:32 PMinvinciblemutant i have got another pogoplug
07:29:34 PMinvinciblemutant for backup
07:29:41 PMT0B33 RobbieF Your welcome :D EricKidd do a back up!
07:29:47 PMledzep I got to get usb3 and Sata 6
07:30:02 PMT0B33 RobbieF goldeneye!?
07:30:12 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Wow. Mine has lasted a year or two now with heavy usage. I have a new one as well (3 or 4 months old) still going strong after once again heavy use.
07:30:30 PMGarbee Don't keep config files!
07:30:30 PMT0B33 Garbee a SD card?
07:30:36 PMinvinciblemutant no one knew what was wrong...
07:30:41 PMGarbee T0B33, No, actual SSD drives.
07:30:58 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, Probably just bad memory chips or a controller that was borked.
07:31:08 PMledzep Should I wait for Haswell or get Ivy Bridge.
07:31:25 PMinvinciblemutant it was a good brand
07:31:26 PM_Jot_ after Haswell there will be another thing to wait for
07:31:27 PMGarbee ledzep, You probably won't see too big of a perf gain from Haswell at this point. So get Ivy now if you can.
07:31:42 PMGarbee Intel is baby stepping it now that they are a true monopoly.
07:31:56 PMGarbee First gen i series was the last major rev we will see for a while.
07:32:19 PMledzep Core i7 right.
07:32:26 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: I would have everything install everythig on the ssd first, and have some soft link pointing to hhd to store files
07:32:40 PMinvinciblemutant bear in mind gnome or unity has some setting files in the home folder
07:33:28 PMledzep Is SSD worth the investment and how many gigs
07:33:48 PMinvinciblemutant SSD is something really good to have !!!
07:33:56 PMB00_ ssd's are very cheap now and yes they are worth it
07:33:59 PM_Jot_ it makes a huge difference in performance, and they are big enough now to be useful
07:34:02 PMinvinciblemutant you will see the performance without upgrade the CPU
07:34:10 PMledzep As cheap as bacon.
07:34:27 PMinvinciblemutant you will not revert back to mechanical drive
07:34:37 PMGarbee invinciblemutant, It is best to distribute mountpoints as a whole than symlink.
07:34:38 PMinvinciblemutant store data on bacon then
07:34:44 PMGarbee ^^ for an SSD.
07:34:44 PM_Jot_ you still may want to store other stuff on a seperate storage thing, but you can get 256GB SSDs cheap now
07:34:54 PMT0B33 No we don't! Keep backups!
07:35:48 PM_Jot_ recently I bought a samsung 830 (840 non-pro is junk) it isn't faster than my older ssd but cheap and reliable
07:35:55 PMinvinciblemutant my 2 cents is that, you dont use your pictures, movies, documents, very frequently...
07:36:12 PMinvinciblemutant only put recent project folder on ssd
07:36:16 PMledzep Good points.
07:36:29 PMGarbee RobbieF, Because there is no mechanical limitations.
07:36:31 PMinvinciblemutant once the project is done, move back the hdd
07:36:52 PMinvinciblemutant i bet no one will revert to hdd after upgraded to ssd..
07:37:01 PMGarbee RobbieF, Modern SSD's (past year or so) are all basically running the same chip just slightly modified between each.
07:37:03 PMinvinciblemutant because the difference is obvious
07:37:09 PMalbertr but what is the time live of ssd RobbieF?
07:37:09 PMledzep How big ssd for a home user.
07:37:16 PM_Jot_ that's bad invinciblemutant, first you degrade performance on the SSD by moving it to the SSD, then removing it degrades it again
07:37:18 PMGarbee http://pcper.com/ssd
07:37:39 PMinvinciblemutant use cloud for backup
07:37:39 PMGarbee 64-128GB is all you should need.
07:37:51 PMinvinciblemutant i have 128 on mac, really not enough
07:37:53 PMGarbee 32 if you don't use too many large apps or don't want to worry about Windows running.
07:38:01 PMB00_ I only have a 120GB ssd and still have 50GB free
07:38:02 PMGarbee I wouldn't go under 32 on a desktop though.
07:38:11 PMledzep Never thougt of it that way.
07:38:14 PMinvinciblemutant i dont have enough space with 128gb ssd
07:38:23 PMB00_ have synology nas station to save everything on
07:38:37 PM_Jot_ the one I had, using windows 7, was 60GB, and it wasn't enough for me, so I thought about getting the 128GB one, but I am sure I would fill that up too in the future, so I got a 256GB one
07:38:41 PMPupuser what about swap file?
07:38:45 PMinvinciblemutant you will never have enough space, if you keep all archives on your 1TB drive
07:38:55 PMajamison5579 u can get an 1tb SSD
07:39:03 PMajamison5579 but it costs about 1k
07:39:06 PMGarbee RobbieF, My MP3 won't even fit on that!
07:39:17 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, that was 10MB, not 1MB, I had one too
07:39:38 PMledzep Why NaS vs an extra internal HD
07:39:49 PMT0B33 RobbieF i have a question why won't my HD just go to that scrap yard in the sky? lol
07:40:00 PMGarbee http://www.baldnerd.com/thinking-of-buying-a-large-capacity-usb-flash-drive-think-twice/
07:40:02 PM_Jot_ T0b33, it will, after time
07:40:07 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: good point
07:40:14 PMT0B33 Its been kicking for 8 months :S
07:40:31 PMGarbee RobbieF, My SSD's have had (and still do have) a large amount of writes.
07:40:39 PMajamison5579 I use a 256gb SSD and then use an 7200rpm HDD for games and what not
07:40:42 PMGarbee After *much* abuse in many ways.
07:40:52 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, wrong, it isn't 700 times, it is 700 times per memory-cell, and that is in the thousands now, so things don't get used that much
07:41:14 PMRobbieF I can exaggerate for the sake of saving your data :)
07:41:26 PMT0B33 It was EricKidd haha
07:41:36 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, make more backups, and tell Sasha next to you to do that too!
07:41:39 PMinvinciblemutant i still prefer large drive if i can afford...
07:42:04 PMinvinciblemutant RobbieF: will opendns slows down things?
07:42:11 PMgpop7 Open dns works well for me
07:42:28 PMinvinciblemutant gpop7: probably because you are in the US
07:42:33 PMledzep Is to get USB 3 a good reason to buy a new computer.
07:42:37 PMinvinciblemutant if you are in Asia
07:42:40 PMGarbee ledzep, no.
07:42:48 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, you will have issues sometimes if there is an ISP-problem and it can't reach opendns, but if your computer does DNS-buffering (which it does by default) you won't notice that much at all
07:42:58 PM_Jot_ otherwise you won't notice it
07:43:22 PMledzep I transfer a lot of movies and usb2 is slow.
07:43:33 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: but i think the problem is with good search result...
07:43:51 PMinvinciblemutant or good always use the server in the US instead of local one...
07:44:37 PM_Jot_ what does search results have to do with DNS? If you mean finding the DNS of a site, then using one like opendns is often better than the ISP one, because the ISP one won't know about as many sites by default, since less people use it, and less people search for sites
07:44:44 PMinvinciblemutant I have read about problems with this, routing your query to the wrong akamai server
07:45:03 PMT0B33 Thanks RobbieF and EricKidd :D Thanks :D
07:45:07 PMT0B33 Looking now
07:45:42 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, news-leader was much too loud, couldn't hear EricKidd at all
07:45:53 PMledzep News: Jellybean is coming to the Asus Transformer tf101 soon.
07:47:04 PMinvinciblemutant yea, there are many billionaires in japan
07:47:06 PMGarbee EricKidd, China keeps their currency (super) inflated on purpose.
07:47:23 PMGarbee tbh I think it is kinda retarded, but I see where they are coming from with it.
07:47:55 PM_Jot_ Japan also has 10 years in jail and a fine of 10 milion yen for uploading, this 2 years and 2 milion is for downloading
07:48:06 PMT0B33 Oh dear EricKidd is doing what Christa and Rachel Xu did! Deja vu! What is it with the news that make co-hosts laugh! hahahahaha
07:48:49 PMB00_ £21.99 a year for uk,com or uk.net
07:49:01 PMB00_ *sigh(
07:49:16 PMGarbee lolz
07:49:45 PMajamison5579 the black eyed pees infiltrated Intel the world is coming to an end
07:50:14 PMT0B33 I will make sure of that when i send a question in next EricKidd hahahahaha
07:50:15 PMDrumstick gotta run, bye all...
07:50:39 PMGarbee Laravel!
07:50:49 PMGarbee Oh, books.
07:51:02 PMT0B33 Garbee Laraval?
07:51:02 PMGarbee And other stuff.
07:51:18 PM_Jot_ http://cat5.tv/cafepress (there, you don't even have to type it)
07:52:57 PMGuest62360 Why not use Libre
07:53:06 PMinvinciblemutant why not latex
07:53:12 PMCarley I have 3 books in progress
07:53:20 PMT0B33 RobbieF why are you using openoffce? Zorin comes installed with Libre? Whats th difference betweek Libre and open? Apart from the support
07:53:27 PMinvinciblemutant publishers take openoffice formats?
07:54:11 PMT0B33 That is sooo cool!
07:54:22 PMGuest62360 Ok Debian uses open by defauilt
07:54:36 PMGuest62360 default
07:55:20 PMinvinciblemutant they may need >=300 dpi files
07:56:13 PMajamison5579 how did you generate the ISBN number
07:56:18 PMGarbee T0B33, http://laravel.com/
07:56:55 PMGarbee T0B33, OpenOffice is the thing LibreOffice was forked from when Sun got bought by Oracle.
07:57:16 PM_Jot_ EricKidd is going to give us books for christmas for the rest of our lives? Thanks EricKidd!
07:57:20 PMGarbee LibreOffice is now superior to OpenOffice since Open has almost no real dev going on that I can tell. Everyone jumped to Libre.
07:58:22 PMT0B33 Yeah i know Garbee just wondering why some people still use open on distros that come with libre
07:58:40 PMGarbee T0B33, Because they don't know any better.
07:58:55 PMGarbee Some people just say Open w/o realizing or caring it is Libre.
07:59:11 PMGarbee I hate them both, so not a problem for me.
07:59:44 PMB00_ heh
08:00:21 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, how much does 'Server Erorr' cost?
08:01:38 PMGarbee I'm not. See ya.
08:01:39 PMGarbee ;)
08:01:43 PMB00_ yeah am not tired tonight robbie lol
08:01:45 PMalbertr Thanks fo the show ErikKidd and RobbieF ;^)
08:01:46 PMGuest62360 Garbee I tried Win 8. You are right it's not so bad. Makes me want to give unity a fair chance.
08:01:53 PMB00_ or should i say this morning
08:01:54 PM_Jot_ I'm not also! I want it to be a standard 2 hour long show!
08:02:06 PMGarbee Unity is much better in 12.10.
08:02:15 PMalbertr :)
08:02:18 PMGarbee I still wish they would have a release or two *just* bug-fixing vs letting them pile up.
08:02:25 PMGuest62360 I'm still 10.04
08:02:26 PMGarbee 1600+ on Launchpad.
08:02:27 PMledzep Unity. Shudder.
08:02:38 PMajamison5579 Robbief how did you guys generate an UPC
08:02:42 PMajamison5579 for the book
08:04:03 PMalbertr agree @Garbee
08:04:12 PMEightMilesFromTJ Does this generate a Library of Congress number
08:04:33 PMGarbee I don't think popey liked me asking for bug-fix releases.
08:04:38 PMajamison5579 you mean the ISBN #
08:04:46 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, are Bekah's other books there too?
08:05:05 PMEightMilesFromTJ yea
08:05:35 PMU-Al Who did the artwork for the cover?
08:05:45 PMajamison5579 "You will be Exterminated"
08:05:51 PMajamison5579 epic error
08:07:11 PM_Jot_ EricKidd, they are coming out of your pay! Don't want them too much and fast, cause shipping is expensive if you want it fast
08:07:20 PMledzep Cafepresse sounds great. I will check it out.
08:07:31 PMStevo Good show, Bye till next week.
08:07:50 PM_Jot_ cat5.tv/publish
08:07:55 PMalbertr ;^)
08:08:31 PMgpop7 Have a great week everyone. Goodnight
08:08:55 PMGuest62360 I want my viewer points
08:09:06 PMgpop7 See you next week same time same channel
08:09:14 PM_Jot_ Guest62360 they are still stored, but not transferred to the new system yet
08:09:22 PMGarbee Guest, they are there. Robbie still needs to get the time to code the new user system.
08:09:38 PMmaxwell6307 Robbie can i watch the show using xbmc?
08:10:04 PMGuest62360 Do I need to re-register
08:10:23 PM_Jot_ Guest62360, no, your account should still be active if you didn't delete it, and you can still log in currently
08:10:32 PMGarbee Guest, no.
08:12:31 PMGuest62360 cartoon network erric?
08:13:17 PMRobbieF watching hockey clips
08:14:25 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, you didn't put the novel in the right account, it should be in the Rock of Ages Publishing House account with the other books
08:15:11 PMEricKidd yes, I had a drink with the legendary Dan Maloney last night. There are many clips of him smacking folks around. When I shook hands with him, i thought..."those hands have punched some of the biggest names in hockey..."
08:15:18 PMRobbieF _jot_ it was just a demonstratoin
08:15:21 PMRobbieF :)
08:15:48 PM_Jot_ at least it gave me reason to find out where to get some reading done perhaps :)
08:16:10 PMRobbieF :)
08:18:49 PM_Jot_ hi popey, you missed some questions, extended show, and how to publish stuff
08:19:24 PMpopey O_O
08:20:24 PMT0B33 Well all i have to fly :) Thank you for answering my questions RobbieF and EricKidd and thanks for the back up reminders :) See you next week
08:20:44 PM_Jot_ yeah, don't forget to make backups, Sasha!

Participants

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B00_
Carley
Drumstick
EightMilesFromTJ
EricKidd
Garbee
Guest62360
Pupuser
RobbieF
Stevo
T0B33
U-Al
_Jot_
ajamison5579
albertr
gpop7
invinciblemutant
ledzep
maxwell6307
popey
ray___