Chat Logs for Episode 309 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 199 Posts:Garbee
With 166 Posts:Mastermindzh
With 46 Posts:_Jot_
With 39 Posts:robgor
With 23 Posts:RobbieF


Chat Logs:

06:58:23 PMMastermindzh internet is really slow in this hospital though so hope it keeps running :D
06:59:20 PM_Jot_ 'Hospital brought down by episode of category5 - more news later when it can come out after the episode stopped':P
07:00:00 PMMastermindzh haha jot
07:00:12 PMMastermindzh hey hillary!
07:00:25 PMajamison5579 the long run of unemployment is over !!!! I just got a job, though not the most glamourous of jobs but one never the less
07:00:38 PM_Jot_ congratulations ajamison5579
07:00:52 PMpaulr8 congrats jamison, sounds good
07:00:58 PMMastermindzh Congratulations ajamison!
07:01:02 PMMastermindzh what did you find :D?
07:01:35 PMajamison5579 I am working int he electronics depeartment of a store similar to Walmart lol not the most luxurious job but a job all the same matermindzh
07:02:08 PMMastermindzh Yeah cool! I really enjoyed working in a store, lots of different people you get to meet everyday!
07:02:19 PMDennis_Kelley A Job is a Job when you have no Job!
07:02:40 PMpaulr8 thats right!
07:02:42 PMDennis_Kelley is the show slow to start
07:02:56 PM_Jot_ VLC is working, youtube and radio aren't
07:03:13 PMValpenone hi all
07:03:18 PMMastermindzh dangit, I can't use vlc now !
07:03:22 PMBobK54 its ALIVE!!!!!
07:03:23 PMpaulr8 guess i need to install vlc lol
07:03:31 PMMastermindzh it works on youtube now :D
07:03:59 PMDennis_Kelley ok got it. ecoalkaline commercial
07:04:14 PMpaulr8 youtube coming threw now :)
07:04:18 PMDennis_Kelley Hillary!
07:04:52 PMDennis_Kelley Funny how RobbieF Ipod looks like Hillary's
07:04:55 PM_Jot_ you're missing a little intro if you are watching on youtube, but don't worry, you haven't really missed much
07:04:59 PMMastermindzh nice robgor, nice!
07:05:23 PMpaulr8 great robgor :)
07:05:31 PMpaulr8 yay hillary :)
07:05:32 PM_Jot_ thanks robgor
07:05:47 PMkeckeckec robgor -- so generous!
07:06:22 PM_Jot_ If you want to help with the studio, or just have too much money, feel free to get rid of some at http://cat5.tv/c
07:06:24 PMpaulr8 yay, youtube working for me tonight
07:08:52 PMMastermindzh lot's of new people this week.
07:08:52 PMGarbee W00T.I made it for once.
07:08:53 PMMastermindzh nice garbee
07:08:53 PMnakedcook Hi Robbie and Hillary I've made it and it's after midnight
07:08:53 PMpyrosrock_eee thats a fair few people
07:09:10 PMkeckeckec Anyone use Konversation -- How do you copy a nick to the clipboard?
07:09:11 PMnakedcook I want one of those
07:09:24 PMrobgor are we having problems with the audio stream?
07:09:37 PMajamison5579 Come on Drawbot Daddy needs me a new USB hub sucka
07:09:40 PMBobK54 I missed that a few shows back. another chance!! :)
07:09:45 PM_Jot_ DrawBot is a pretty new viewer, but I think he's pretty scared of people, he always leaves so soon
07:09:54 PMMastermindzh haha.
07:09:55 PMkeckeckec robgor: it's ok here
07:10:02 PMdiffg not really sure as I am having problems with the whole thing
07:10:33 PM_Jot_ Hillary, be careful, he's kicking you out (but we want to keep you, so don't let him!)
07:11:05 PMnakedcook Robbie conky isn't working with Point on my PC
07:11:17 PMajamison5579 You guys scared Drawbot off
07:11:20 PM_Jot_ see, there he was :)
07:11:23 PMajamison5579 good going
07:11:27 PMajamison5579 lol
07:11:33 PMchaslinux Thought the last time we tried Teamviewer on Linux is was dreadfully slow, did that change?
07:11:39 PMMastermindzh YES!
07:11:43 PMMastermindzh teamviewer is awesome now :)
07:11:56 PMBobK54 me me me me me me me
07:12:00 PMMastermindzh me!
07:12:00 PMMastermindzh xD
07:12:07 PMajamison5579 Robbief what is with the new Slasher music for Drawbot
07:12:13 PM_Jot_ I'm so going to win, I haven't won anything in weeks!
07:12:18 PMMastermindzh COME ON!
07:12:19 PMDennis_Kelley Not _Jot_ Not _Jot_
07:12:24 PMMastermindzh Mastermindzh please :D
07:12:42 PMBobK54 the suspense is killing me.....
07:12:43 PMGarbee RobbieF, Great music for it.
07:12:49 PMMastermindzh noooo it passed me again :(
07:12:50 PMMastermindzh xD
07:13:05 PMnakedcook Yes I would lol
07:13:09 PMMastermindzh come on!
07:13:11 PMMastermindzh :D
07:13:12 PMMastermindzh stop already!
07:13:26 PMpyrosrock_eee run it on my pi
07:13:31 PM_Jot_ congratulations diffg
07:13:37 PMMastermindzh congrats!
07:13:44 PMBobK54 congrats!!
07:13:47 PMDennis_Kelley Congrats
07:13:49 PMajamison5579 Curse you Drawbot we will meet again and next time I will win
07:13:50 PM_Jot_ lol
07:13:53 PMpaulr8 yay diffg
07:13:59 PMpaulr8 :)
07:14:02 PM_Jot_ he left so not sure he wanted to be here :P
07:14:04 PMSanseriff grats
07:14:06 PM_Jot_ or she
07:14:14 PMchaslinux Drawbot is pretty neat, is it a script?
07:14:15 PMDennis_Kelley pyrosrock_eee you have a RPi? So do I!
07:14:24 PMGoodGuy He/She left
07:14:25 PM_Jot_ chaslinux, I believe so
07:14:36 PMDennis_Kelley how is that fair!
07:14:40 PMajamison5579 chaslinux yep Robbief scripted it to interact with a PHP script (assuming) he made
07:14:45 PMpyrosrock_eee Dennis_Kelley have 2
07:14:54 PMDennis_Kelley cool
07:14:56 PMchaslinux That's pretty sweet, looks great.
07:15:23 PMGoodGuy I have two also.. one older one with 256mb
07:15:36 PMDennis_Kelley pyrosrock_eee , I am using it to control my Halloween props this year!
07:15:38 PMajamison5579 I am going to start a new network the Association of Bald Tech personalities
07:15:51 PMajamison5579 I myself am a member
07:16:02 PMMastermindzh START WITH WINDOWS? have you lost you're mind!?!?
07:16:03 PMajamison5579 minus the tech personality part
07:16:05 PMrobgor RobbieF can we call in now?
07:16:28 PMajamison5579 Facebook is evil
07:16:29 PM_Jot_ robgor, you can, if he doesn't answer it just means he is busy
07:16:33 PMSanseriff you used the w word what dirty language
07:16:33 PMajamison5579 but great at the same time
07:16:54 PMrobgor ok thanks jot wasnt sure if it was question time yet?
07:18:36 PM_Jot_ rogor, since he has a few OSs to go through, it probably takes a while since it seems the feauture. I'd call during the news myself or when it is close to ending
07:18:55 PMajamison5579 Robbief why not allow the Terminal services through the GUI messing with the Regedit program can kill a windows PC if they edit the wrong thing
07:21:46 PMajamison5579 guys if your editing the windows Registry please be careful it cam destroy your windows installtion if your not careful
07:22:04 PMajamison5579 *can
07:22:18 PMMastermindzh I like regedit lols
07:22:55 PM_Jot_ not to mention that it depends on what windows you are using, it may not be required, something else ma ybe, and it maybe required but at a completely different place
07:25:22 PMDennis_Kelley pyrosrock_eee - what do you use your Raspberry Pi for?
07:26:40 PMpyrosrock_eee Dennis_Kelley whatever i feel like but not that much just to play with
07:27:15 PMpyrosrock_eee Dennis_Kelley but i have been using one to recover an old drive and coppy it to our server
07:29:27 PMDennis_Kelley Hillary are you Catching all this?
07:31:05 PM_Jot_ RobbieF is not always a very nice and awesome guy :P
07:32:34 PMGoodGuy BING
07:32:43 PMpyrosrock_eee it was in the middle of the night so all good
07:33:01 PMMastermindzh Yeah it was horrible, google owns the world now lols.
07:33:08 PMGoodGuy Use BING... they will be happy as a lark
07:33:29 PMMastermindzh I binged it sounds so stupid lols
07:33:50 PMGarbee RobbieF, My internet was broken...
07:33:56 PMGarbee I only need to do a search right then!
07:34:05 PMGarbee Android market was down.
07:34:13 PMMastermindzh "I tried google" , "I checked youtube" hilarious robbie :P
07:34:18 PMpyrosrock_eee twitter
07:34:19 PMDennis_Kelley was Facebook working?
07:34:23 PMGarbee yup, I hit it.
07:34:26 PMchaslinux That's what that @tweet about the Internet dying was about... lol
07:34:33 PMGarbee 40% drop in internet traffic when they were down.
07:34:58 PMGarbee Dennis_Kelley, When Google went down yes. However, I think they did have an outage later in the week.
07:35:17 PMGarbee Amazon had an outage on some of their cloud services too in the past week or so.
07:36:07 PMGarbee RobbieF, IE10
07:36:21 PMMastermindzh IE 10 is the same garbage as IE 7 lols
07:36:24 PMGarbee On Windows Phone 8 series. 7 has IE9.
07:36:30 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, Actually no it isn't.
07:36:33 PMGarbee IE10 is pretty nice.
07:36:40 PMMastermindzh you really think so?
07:36:42 PMGarbee IE11 is even better.
07:36:48 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, Um, I don't *think* I know.
07:36:50 PMMastermindzh Firefox is way better haha
07:37:10 PMGarbee They have made loads of improvements over the years in standard support, even to having the first flexbox support.
07:37:49 PMMastermindzh I don;t know, still don't like it. Though the windows 8 app is pretty decent.
07:38:09 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, unless you have sat down and really used or developed for IE8/9/10/+ please don't comment on how crappy they are.
07:38:14 PMGarbee IE9 was a complete rewrite from the ground up.
07:38:24 PMGarbee IE10 improved on that with new standard support.
07:38:29 PMGarbee IE11 is taking that even further.
07:38:44 PMMastermindzh that's true, but we still have to support ie6 7 and 8, which is horrible
07:38:46 PMGarbee MS has really gotten behind the standards, in fact they kinda were in the first place which is why they "sucked" for so long.
07:38:54 PMGarbee haha, no.
07:38:56 PMGarbee 6 is dead.
07:38:59 PMGarbee 7 very close.
07:39:10 PMGarbee 8 only until April of next year which is only getting closer.
07:39:16 PMGarbee It isn't an issue.
07:39:22 PMMastermindzh it won't go away just like that though.
07:39:27 PMpyrosrock_eee oh Garbee you are such a microsoft fan boy!
07:39:38 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, It won't, but developer support will.
07:39:51 PMGarbee Once MS isn't supporting it at all anymore, devs won't stand for the crap either.
07:40:06 PMGarbee In fact, most businesses move at that point so they still get MS support.
07:41:08 PMMastermindzh But my clientell isn't businesses.
07:41:15 PMMastermindzh And I want my stuff to work across everything pretty much.
07:41:15 PMGarbee pyrosrock_eee, I'm not a fan boy. I understand what the IE team goes through (and I deal with some of them pretty regularly.) They are getting much better, in fact they are doing better than Apple with Safari.
07:41:20 PMMastermindzh I'd agree with you on that lols.
07:41:21 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, They don't use CSS/JS at all. Just pure markup. that is the only way to get your web page to work across everything pretty much.
07:41:21 PMGarbee Then don't use*
07:41:31 PMMastermindzh haha that's kinda drastic but true sadly
07:41:47 PMGarbee Also, IE brought us InnerHTML in their "dark" years. So don't go bashing them so quickly...
07:41:57 PMchaslinux @Garbee I second that, at least Microsoft offers refurbisher licenses, Apple doesn't, so all our Apple boxes get Lubuntu.
07:42:01 PMGarbee They have (like *every* browser) done good and bad for us.
07:42:27 PMMastermindzh That is also true, but you can't get around the fact that every browser release was under par so far.
07:42:33 PMMastermindzh they just neglected it in my opinion
07:42:45 PMGarbee No, IE9+ are not sub-par.
07:43:21 PMMastermindzh 10 is pretty decent I agree, but still not AS good as some other options.
07:43:37 PMMastermindzh of course "Flock" is the best browser anyways haha
07:44:05 PMGarbee IE10 is much better than what they had before and it makes devs lives *much* easier. Ofc to anyone in-the-know it is still very hindered compared to Firefox and Chrome.
07:44:15 PMGarbee But, for people who just use what comes in their box, IE10+ is what I'd want there.
07:44:28 PMpyrosrock_eee Garbee my main hate with ie is that i dont want dozens of toolbars and such
07:44:30 PMMastermindzh I do agree that IE10 is very usable, and not horrible for the end user.
07:44:32 PMGarbee I'd love Chrome more, but hey, at least IE is getting with the times.
07:44:44 PMGarbee pyrosrock_eee, Not an IE problem.
07:44:49 PMGarbee Chrome and FF can easily get that way.
07:45:03 PMMastermindzh that I do agree with, for non techies ie 10 will suffice for me it won't though.
07:45:32 PMMastermindzh nah chrome is worse than IE pyrosrock when it comes to extensions that get installed from anywhere in my opinion.
07:45:41 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, Not now.
07:45:48 PMGarbee Chrome has disabled that ability.
07:45:51 PMMastermindzh chrome usually gives them WAY too much rights on you're computer.
07:45:54 PMpyrosrock_eee Garbee well i duno what its like on that new metro vista ribbon crap
07:45:58 PMchaslinux Oh guys... we pay $60yr/CDN for VOIP, but unlimited Canada only.
07:46:10 PMMastermindzh Garbee, it still did alot of harm though.
07:46:14 PMpyrosrock_eee but i uninstall it on xp
07:46:21 PMGarbee pyrosrock_eee, Doesn't matter what version you are on. your argument of toolbars is still completely moot.
07:46:43 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, And Chrome fixed it. In the update they warned you about addons installed that way and asked if you wanted to keep them, defaulting to disable them.
07:46:50 PMGarbee So, all is good now.
07:47:19 PMMastermindzh True, but harm was still done. Harm that never should've been done.
07:47:42 PMGarbee I can go on about browser politics all day. Primary point is Safari is now the worst browser and will have the slowest development going forward.
07:47:53 PMGarbee IE is just fine, no worries there with 10+.
07:48:04 PMGarbee Chrome and FF have issues, but they are mostly being worked on.
07:48:09 PMGarbee All is good.
07:48:13 PMGarbee Except Safari.
07:48:16 PMGarbee ... :(
07:48:35 PMMastermindzh Well, for end users it doesn't really matter which they have now, I do agree on that.
07:48:39 PMMastermindzh still
07:48:41 PMpyrosrock_eee that said Garbee havent run windows for over 6 months now
07:48:44 PMMastermindzh I wish they all just did the same thing.
07:49:22 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, They are working on it, but there also *needs* to be some differentiation. If that isn't there then we won't find better ways of doing things.
07:49:35 PMGarbee The standards should be supported, that is being worked on heavily.
07:49:46 PMGarbee But, how they do it, that needs to be up to the browser to find the best way.
07:50:17 PMMastermindzh A cross browser standard would be awesome, don'
07:50:25 PMMastermindzh t see it happening soon though.
07:50:28 PM_Jot_ you mean HTTP
07:50:30 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, http://w3.org
07:50:42 PMGarbee HTML/CSS/JS, you may have heard of these before.
07:50:59 PMchaslinux Lost the video feed... did anyone else?
07:51:02 PMMastermindzh haha I work with them daily, and yes that new site is horrible looking haha
07:51:03 PMGoodGuy yes
07:51:08 PMpaulr8 yes
07:51:11 PMSanseriff yes lost it
07:51:15 PMGarbee chaslinux, Yup, refresh.
07:51:24 PMSanseriff back
07:51:25 PMpaulr8 almost made it threw to the end
07:51:28 PMGarbee I think the new site is much better than what they had.
07:51:44 PMMastermindzh idk, I liked the old one better.
07:51:44 PMpaulr8 got it back
07:51:50 PMMastermindzh although finding stuff is easier now.
07:52:26 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, Congrats, you just stated why the redesign is better. ;)
07:52:41 PMMastermindzh haha, still don't like the look of it though.
07:52:43 PMGarbee Have you checked out Web Platform Docs yet Mastermindzh?
07:53:16 PMMastermindzh Not as much as I should've
07:53:42 PMGarbee Well, if you have any issues/complaints/compliments with that, let me know.
07:54:12 PMMastermindzh you'll always keep issues I'm afraid.
07:54:28 PM_Jot_ I'm suprised the broadcast-server still works without washers or anything
07:54:28 PMMastermindzh and differences of opinion.
07:54:34 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, That confuses me. Why would I keep issues?
07:54:47 PMMastermindzh not you specifically, just "people"
07:55:03 PMGarbee Seriously, if you have anything to say about WPD let me know. I will look into any issues and work to have them resolved.
07:55:13 PMajamison5579 Wirecast is so not worth 1000 its just software and costs a fraction of that to develop
07:55:21 PMMastermindzh After I recover I promise to look into it a bit more lols.
07:56:08 PMajamison5579 500 is way more reasonable of a price
07:56:27 PMGarbee The point of WPD is to be neutral and authorative documentation for web devs. There really is no room for harboring "differences in opinion" unless it comes to docs on best practices which can change quickly.
07:56:27 PMMastermindzh but I hear you're a windows fan garbee? you never use linux?
07:56:33 PMGuest_4687 Thank you guys...I'll go back and look as I'm having probs with conky on Point Linux
07:56:44 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, I use linux every day.
07:56:49 PMMastermindzh besides servers as well?
07:56:53 PMGarbee In fact, I run IRC on it.
07:56:57 PMGarbee Yea, right now I'm on an Ubuntu laptop.
07:57:07 PMMastermindzh why did someone call you a windows fanboy then xD
07:57:08 PMGarbee I do development on here daily.
07:57:16 PMMastermindzh you like unity?
07:57:20 PMGarbee Because I defended the IE team improving.
07:57:31 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, I can get work done. No comment beyond that. ;)
07:57:36 PMMastermindzh I think it's a massive improvement over the old way.
07:57:51 PMMastermindzh have you tried elementary?
07:57:56 PMMastermindzh it came out couple of days ago.
07:58:02 PMGarbee Nah. Not interested.
07:58:07 PMGarbee I have tried *many* desktops.
07:58:15 PMGoodGuy video died again
07:58:24 PM_Jot_ just youtube
07:58:25 PMMastermindzh And you chose ubuntu? for the support?
07:58:25 PMGarbee None are Gnome2 and Mate is crap for me on Ubuntu.
07:58:40 PMGarbee No, I chose it since that is what my server runs so I can dev *very* closly to real conditions.
07:58:45 PMMastermindzh umm zorin does a fine job of mimicking gnome 2, point linux is not bad either.
07:58:57 PMGarbee Zorin is bloated junk to me.
07:59:01 PMMastermindzh and yeah mate is crap
07:59:02 PMGarbee It is a nice distro for beginners.
07:59:10 PMMastermindzh it is a little bloated yeah.
07:59:10 PMGarbee Linux Mint is my fav non-ubuntu distro.
07:59:25 PMGarbee Even it is based on it.
07:59:36 PMGarbee But, still. I'm getting as close to my server as possible for dev.
07:59:36 PMMastermindzh my list goes: elementary - lubuntu - ubuntu - mint
08:00:18 PMGoodGuy LXLE
08:00:18 PMGarbee Plus I am working with some projects (such as Brackets) which are targeting Ubuntu for releases. So, it helps to be on the thing they target.
08:01:00 PMMastermindzh The one complaint I really had they fixed, so I think they did really well.
08:01:28 PMajamison5579 Robbief we are not seeing anything your doing
08:01:35 PMpyrosrock_eee out of shot robbie
08:01:58 PMpyrosrock_eee or is that just youtube?
08:02:08 PM_Jot_ no, it was out of shot everywhere :)
08:02:14 PMMastermindzh backstage pass sees more of the stuff going on outside the "shot"
08:02:23 PM_Jot_ but all the video was captured so it was just youtube and google not working
08:02:28 PMBobK54 bye all
08:02:29 PMajamison5579 all we saw was Robbie's left side
08:02:35 PMRobbieF You'll have to watch the recording to see the shot!
08:02:35 PMSanseriff bye
08:02:37 PMRobbieF thanks all
08:02:47 PMgpop7 great show hillary and robbief
08:02:51 PMMastermindzh No problem robbie , great show!
08:02:55 PMValpenone nite all
08:02:59 PMpaulr8 thank you
08:03:08 PMpaulr8 youtube worked tonight yay :)
08:03:25 PMgpop7 nite all. see you next week same time same station.
08:03:35 PMchaslinux Night all... see you next time.
08:03:38 PMpyrosrock_eee so with multiple cams on the one tripod/stand when will we be getting the 3d broadcast?
08:03:38 PM_Jot_ see you gpop7
08:03:44 PM_Jot_ night chaslinux
08:03:55 PMgpop7 take care jot
08:03:57 PMpyrosrock_eee RobbieF ^
08:04:22 PMchaslinux Thanks _Jot_ you as well... great show RobbieF and Hillary
08:07:23 PMRobbieF make sure you check out the stand once the files are uploaded
08:09:21 PMpyrosrock_eee RobbieF do you still do the rebroadcast an hour later?
08:09:32 PMGarbee RobbieF, We had a good browser debate for you as you read the chat logs. ;)
08:13:39 PMMastermindzh Yeah we did :), firefox rules!
08:13:39 PMMastermindzh xD
08:14:30 PMRobbieF Rachel Xu just arrived
08:14:37 PMRobbieF no pyrosrock_eee
08:14:50 PMRobbieF I suppose we could though
08:15:46 PMrobgor hey RobbieF
08:15:56 PMRobbieF Hey robgor - thanks for the call mate
08:16:37 PMrobgor no probs my mobile (cell) dropped out the first time I called, but glad I was able to get through
08:17:05 PMRobbieF me too
08:17:27 PMrobgor is hillary still around?
08:17:41 PMRobbieF neah; she had to bolt
08:17:47 PMRobbieF she was very appreciative of the gift man.
08:19:36 PMrobgor ah ok yeah I know what it feels like to have items stolen, had my house broken into in november 2011 not a nice felling especially when they trash the house
08:20:19 PMrobgor the invasion of privacy is worse than having the goods stolen, they can be replaced
08:20:39 PMRobbieF Yeah we had the same thing happen
08:21:58 PMrobgor gee that was cheap I checked my mobile only cost 24c for the calls
08:22:59 PM_Jot_ it was a short call, we all heard it :)
08:23:25 PMRobbieF great :)
08:23:47 PMrobgor I dont know if I want to watch the show latter I dont sound the best, definatly not a voice for radio lol
08:24:35 PMrobgor hey robbie can u accidently lose that part where I called in
08:25:52 PMRobbieF haha no way
08:25:56 PMRobbieF it was brilliant
08:26:29 PMrobgor :( hope I dont sound like a smurf
08:26:47 PMRobbieF you sounded great
08:26:50 PM_Jot_ you sounded just fine
08:27:16 PMrobgor ok thanks
08:27:53 PM_Jot_ don't feel bad if you don't want to listen to it yourself, getting used to yourself on camera and your own voice isn't always easy
08:28:13 PM_Jot_ I still haven't been able to listen to episode 222 entirely :)
08:28:47 PMMastermindzh The discussion with garbee on code styles is even better than the browser one lols.
08:29:12 PMGarbee ;)
08:29:18 PMGarbee no idea why we are doing it in private chat.
08:29:35 PMMastermindzh because we're agreeing too much lols.
08:29:57 PMrobgor ok, well on video I would be a little like robbie bald but dont cut my hair all off
08:30:13 PM_Jot_ probably because it wasn't really related to the show and maybe people would want to talk about that during the show :)
08:30:30 PMGarbee _Jot_, Show relation matters not. This is CODE!
08:30:34 PMrobgor and with glasses so really more of a bald nerd than robbie : lol
08:30:41 PMGarbee Plus, I am op dude, I'll chat about what I want. ;)
08:30:42 PMGarbee :P
08:30:49 PM_Jot_ robgor, hehe don't worry, RobbieF is good but he still can't get your picture through a phone
08:31:11 PMrobgor hmm one day that will be possible
08:31:14 PMMastermindzh We'll spam bad code at you garbee, you're inner geek will have to rise and fix it.
08:31:26 PM_Jot_ yeah well, I have more awards than you Garbee!
08:31:29 PMGarbee nah, I'm too busy to fix all the bad code I see.
08:31:44 PMGarbee RobbieF, I demand chatroom ops get an award!
08:31:51 PMGarbee I need to outdo Jot now...
08:31:58 PMGarbee Any leg-up I can get.
08:32:11 PMrobgor hey garbee, mastermindzh how u guys going
08:32:20 PMMastermindzh I'm fine :)
08:32:25 PMGarbee RobbieF, Mastermindzh is a nano baby too FYI
08:32:38 PMGarbee Maybe one day you two can take a VIM class and catch up to me.
08:32:38 PMMastermindzh :)
08:33:17 PMMastermindzh Maybe one day Robbie does a show on nano and YOU finally can catch up to all the people that were smart enough to use nano instead of vim hahaha
08:33:36 PMGarbee I used to use nano a lot because I didn't like vim.
08:33:41 PMGarbee Then I used vim for real.
08:33:57 PMGarbee Very nice little thing they have going on.
08:33:57 PM_Jot_ wow, I can't even find Garbee in the registered user list
08:34:27 PMMastermindzh I still like nano
08:34:27 PMGarbee And once you learn *why* the h, j, k, and l keys are your movement keys and why they are the ones they are. It makes so much sense and is easy to navigate.
08:34:29 PMMastermindzh :P
08:34:51 PMrobgor robbief does h.264 get installed in pointlinux when you add the non free items?
08:34:54 PMGarbee H = left, j = up, k = down, l = right.
08:35:04 PMGarbee Based on really old keyboards that didn't have arrow keys.
08:35:06 PMMastermindzh h,j ,k and l are the movement keys because in old fighter games that would be the keys you used :)
08:35:16 PMRobbieF guessing so robgor
08:35:16 PMGarbee Even before fighter games.
08:35:32 PMGarbee RobbieF, Speaking of pointlinux, I am officially off of it.
08:35:32 PM_Jot_ there have been dozens of controlschemes on homecomputers
08:35:34 PMMastermindzh I obviously wasn't serious about the games lols.
08:36:04 PMMastermindzh Yeah, why garbee? you told me you wanted to go closer to you're server. but what made you actually switch from point?
08:36:18 PMGarbee I only tested point.
08:36:26 PMGarbee I had always used Ubuntu on my desktop.
08:36:26 PMrobgor ok because when I try to convert a blue ray ripped with makemkv in handbrake my system crashes and restarts, it is fine with mp4 though
08:36:32 PMGarbee Save the year Unity was switched too.
08:36:35 PMRobbieF I switched my work computer to Point Linux and it's been great.
08:36:40 PMGarbee 12.04 and 12.10 were absolute crap.
08:36:52 PMGarbee Point just had too many issues with me. Especially installing things like Steam.
08:36:55 PMGarbee I just said screw it.
08:36:57 PMMastermindzh Robbie, have you looked at elementary?? I really like it.
08:37:04 PMGarbee Windows 7 is now on my desktop again to get work done there.
08:37:04 PMRobbieF no problems installing steam here
08:37:09 PMMastermindzh Steam installed fine on point for me garbee
08:37:14 PMrobgor garbee I got steam working in pointlinux
08:37:14 PMRobbieF just need to setup multiarch.
08:37:21 PMGarbee I got it installed, but I still had to go grab some package and setup multiarch.
08:37:29 PMGarbee Too much trouble.
08:37:34 PMRobbieF no trouble at all.
08:37:34 PMGarbee Things should just work.
08:37:40 PMRobbieF There's a script that does it all in one click
08:37:49 PMGarbee I know, that is what I used.
08:37:51 PMGarbee I had to fix the script though.
08:37:56 PMGarbee It had the wrong URL for the package.
08:38:01 PMGarbee At least the version I found.
08:38:23 PMMastermindzh so you're solution was to switch to windows 7.
08:38:29 PMGarbee Yup.
08:38:32 PMGarbee Chrome Canary works there.
08:38:34 PMGarbee ;)
08:38:45 PMMastermindzh but on linux we have cowsay
08:38:47 PMGarbee I am working with the Chromium team on improving their bug-tracking situation.
08:38:48 PMMastermindzh and cowsay rules all
08:38:51 PMrobgor oh yeah robbief that script for the makemkv has an issue in point linux
08:39:12 PMGarbee Linux also has lynx.
08:39:20 PMGarbee that is fun to drop into from time-to-time.
08:39:48 PMMastermindzh Robbie you're probably busy but have you tried elementary OS? :)
08:39:54 PMrobgor It needed you t install an extra package, I ended up typing in the commands line by line in the terminal and it works fine
08:40:16 PMRobbieF years ago, but not recently.
08:40:23 PMGarbee Also with point I had to dist-upgrade before I could install php-fpm.
08:40:26 PMGarbee No idea why.
08:40:28 PMGarbee That also irked me.
08:40:34 PMMastermindzh it was recently released. lots of updates and it's perfect for beginners now.
08:40:42 PMGarbee Because then I had quite a few php extensions I had to re-install.
08:41:13 PMrobgor mastermindzh I tried it on my laptop it installs fine but doesnt boot just get a black screen, probably to do with the optimus drivers it needs
08:41:25 PMGarbee I am going to give the next OpenSUSE a shot when it releases. But I don't see that going too well based on past experience.
08:41:43 PMMastermindzh robgor try using nomodeset as a boot paramter, that'll get you past the black screen in most cases.
08:41:54 PMrobgor so what you using garbee
08:42:02 PMMastermindzh OpenSuse has the best christmas themed installer EVER
08:42:06 PMGarbee Ubuntu 13.04 on my laptop, Win7 on the desktop.
08:42:27 PMGarbee Yea, but OpenSUSE also has horrible "security" constructs.
08:42:38 PMGarbee Why the hell do I need my password to change the time?
08:42:50 PMrobgor yeah I just dont like unity I use to use ubuntu
08:42:54 PMGarbee I'll see how it goes. but I'm not expecting much.
08:43:07 PMGarbee One amazing thing about OpenSUSE is the SUSE Studio.
08:43:20 PMGarbee You can make your own custom images with all the packages you want right there.
08:43:22 PMMastermindzh robgor, unity has changed a lot and is quite usable now in my opinion :)
08:43:36 PMGarbee Even setup your wallpaper and initial user on the spot of the ISO.
08:43:39 PMrobgor then I changed to zorinos for a while and had issues so now on pointlinux
08:43:42 PMMastermindzh Garbee, I never used openSuse really.
08:43:46 PMGarbee usable, still not nice Mastermindzh.
08:43:59 PMGarbee Why can't I click on a unity launch item to minimize it if it is open?
08:44:01 PMMastermindzh I disagree, I find unity rather pleasant to work with lols.
08:44:10 PMGarbee that irks me so much.
08:44:12 PMrobgor yeah I just dont like the touch screen type interface that it has
08:44:23 PMGarbee I don't mind the touchscreen type stuff.
08:44:25 PMMastermindzh garbee there's an update for that. also a tweak.
08:44:31 PMGarbee It is just the "design decisions" that Canonical has made.
08:44:41 PMGarbee Update where?
08:44:44 PMMastermindzh http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/unity-with-minimize-on-click-patch.html
08:44:44 PMGarbee In Unity 8?
08:44:57 PMMastermindzh it's not official.
08:44:58 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, I shouldn't need to patch it. And I know that exists.
08:44:58 PMrobgor though I do use docky with my most used programs on that
08:45:02 PMGarbee It should just work.
08:45:13 PMMastermindzh then why use windows 7 lols.
08:45:52 PMMastermindzh you gotta install a dozen of programs to even get it to work.
08:45:54 PMMastermindzh docky is awesome :)
08:45:55 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, Actually I really only need one program. Chrome.
08:45:55 PMGarbee Anything beyond that, butter.
08:45:59 PMMastermindzh chrome and an antivirus (A)
08:46:08 PMGarbee Actually no.
08:46:08 PMGarbee I don't even need AV.
08:46:12 PMGarbee Because I'm not stupid.
08:46:22 PMMastermindzh haha, heard that before.
08:46:37 PMMastermindzh But I agree most of it can be avoided simply by being a little smarter than a 2 year old.
08:46:58 PMGarbee I know many people besides myself who don't use AV. No issues.
08:47:13 PMGarbee However, any system that isn't for *just me* yes I AV the thing with MSE.
08:47:26 PMMastermindzh I know many people that use linux and have no issues lols.
08:47:34 PMMastermindzh mse?
08:47:42 PMMastermindzh did that pass the antivirus test again?
08:47:42 PMMastermindzh xD
08:48:01 PM_Jot_ Microsoft Software Eraser
08:48:31 PMMastermindzh I use,
08:48:32 PMMastermindzh umm
08:48:34 PMMastermindzh the orange one
08:48:35 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, That AV test results are complete BS.
08:48:36 PMrobgor lol reinstall
08:48:48 PMGarbee Synthetic tests != tests.
08:49:03 PMGarbee AVs programs are designed to pass it.
08:49:15 PMGarbee You don't design it to pass in the real world, it either works or it doesn't.
08:49:21 PMGarbee MSE is good for just about everyone.
08:49:28 PMGarbee If you *really* want to pay, use ESET NOD32.
08:49:42 PMMastermindzh I read somehwere, and I don't know if it's true, that one of the MSE versions missed something so it wasn't really classified as a antivirus. that was what I was talking about.
08:49:49 PMMastermindzh But I don't really keep up with AV systems.
08:49:52 PMGarbee RobbieF, Will also vouch for NOD32 and how good it is. but I find MSE just fine for everyone I set up with it.
08:50:03 PMMastermindzh "Avast" is what I use on my VB.
08:50:13 PMGarbee nah, what the issue was it missed a virus that everyone else caught.
08:50:29 PMGarbee However, that specific virus only affected an absolutely miniscule amount of users.
08:50:36 PMGarbee So it wasn't really an issue at all.
08:50:55 PMMastermindzh Ah, good to know. but as I said I don't really keep up with AV news haha.
08:50:57 PMGarbee Plus, if you looked into that virus, it actually could easily be confused with proper software code.
08:51:18 PMGarbee So, if you don't really keep up with it, don't go bashing it for failing tests.
08:51:31 PMGarbee ofc, you could have been joking...
08:51:37 PMGarbee This is why I hate IRC, no tones.
08:51:55 PMMastermindzh it was infact a joke lol
08:52:05 PMMastermindzh not the no av use part
08:52:09 PMMastermindzh that's just ignorance
08:52:31 PMMastermindzh but for all I care you could be using mcafee, if it works for you go with it lol.
08:52:41 PMMastermindzh I'll be using...
08:52:46 PMMastermindzh oh wait linux doesn't need one
08:52:47 PMMastermindzh :)
08:53:06 PMMastermindzh And as said before, I use "Avast" on my other boxes.
08:53:12 PMMastermindzh or I think it's avast.
08:53:16 PMMastermindzh it's orange lols.
08:53:35 PMGarbee well, if you need AV on Windows all the time then you also need it on Linux and BSD systems.
08:53:53 PMGarbee Anyone with common sense can not get a virus unless someone is *really* after them.
08:53:58 PM_Jot_ I do think these days it's almost required too
08:54:04 PMGarbee This system is only used by me in my internal home network which I setup myself.
08:54:08 PMGarbee I'm fine.
08:54:25 PMMastermindzh If YOU are the only one using it, then yes maybe you can do without.
08:54:37 PMMastermindzh I agree JOT, can't be too secure
08:55:14 PMMastermindzh although not being stupid still helps a great deal.
08:55:22 PMGarbee And yes, you can be too secure.
08:55:47 PMMastermindzh locking yourself out of you're computer, oh what fun I have with that sometimes.
08:55:58 PMGarbee I'm not locking my box in a lockbox which is embedded in my house just to keep it physically secure.
08:56:18 PMMastermindzh well, my server is bolted down lols.
08:57:27 PM_Jot_ oh what fun we had the time it broke down and you needed to unlock it using the procedure on the computer
08:57:55 PMrobgor is it normal for a cable modem not to have the option to update your firmware?
08:58:00 PMGarbee You can be too secure. I just take security into practice where needed. Like in my dads store network.
08:58:04 PMGarbee At home, I don't give a crap.
08:58:15 PMGarbee robgor, Yup.
08:58:22 PMGarbee Because most don't have firmware upgrades.
08:58:30 PMGarbee They are just boxes to run forever.
08:58:41 PMMastermindzh yeah right...
08:58:43 PM_Jot_ robgor, most likely it is running special firmware from your provider, and they do remote updates
08:58:43 PMGarbee Firmware upgrades typically come into play when you are getting a router built in.
08:59:22 PMMastermindzh Is this IRC usually busy during the week btw?
08:59:28 PMGarbee _Jot_, That really depends on the modem, and most don't.
08:59:34 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, on-and-off.
08:59:41 PMrobgor yeah with my old cable modem I had a router attached to it, with the one I have now its just the cable modem
08:59:48 PMMastermindzh garbee, here in the netherlands it's actually a common thing.
08:59:55 PMGarbee if it is just a cable modem, then 99% of the time what comes on it is it, period.
09:00:07 PMGarbee netherlands maybe, not in 'merica.
09:00:39 PMGarbee They keep it running the same firmware and the only thing they update is the speeds you get when/if you change your service package.
09:00:48 PMrobgor might have made a pfsense or other linux based router,
09:00:50 PMGarbee Plus, i don't see why the cable modem would need updating at all tbh.
09:00:58 PMGarbee Theoretically it all should just work.
09:01:01 PM_Jot_ depends on who supplies it Garbee, here sometimes the cable-provider gives you one, sometimes they require you to buy one but even if you buy it and it is your property, you are required to run the providers firmware and it auto-updates from their servers
09:01:03 PMGarbee It is just a converter.
09:01:19 PMMastermindzh Yep, jot is spot on.
09:01:25 PMMastermindzh it's stupid but it's just the way it is
09:01:35 PMrobgor yeah thats why I changed it garbee I changed my plan and got the speed pack, which is crap as I havnt noticed any difference
09:01:54 PMGarbee How would the provider program for every possible hardware setup in a modem? or are there only a few restricted hardware combinations allowed to be used?
09:02:07 PMMastermindzh there are a few restricted choises.
09:02:11 PMMastermindzh And usually one from the provider
09:02:16 PMMastermindzh which you then have to buy anyways
09:02:16 PMGarbee Then it makes sense how that is done.
09:02:32 PMGarbee In most countries with a free market though that isn't possible.
09:02:51 PMMastermindzh well they can make you're life pretty dang hard.
09:03:02 PMGarbee What? Free Markets?
09:03:09 PMMastermindzh no the isp's
09:03:28 PMGarbee well yea. They are nuts.
09:03:35 PMGarbee Everyone hates their ISP.
09:03:40 PMrobgor yeah when I changed my plan the first modem I got the wifi didnt work so I got another brand, I think that my provider uses 4 different modems
09:04:05 PMMastermindzh I use a router for wifi robgor, you can just make or buy a good one
09:04:23 PMGarbee My provider actually only uses one at a time. :P but, some people are still running their original modem from like a decade ago. :(
09:04:23 PMMastermindzh will make you';re life a LOT easier :)
09:04:23 PMGarbee Now they have new DOCSIS 3 ones with IPv6 support!
09:04:33 PMGarbee I always separate modem/router capabilities.
09:04:42 PMGarbee Integrated ones have always been junk to me.
09:04:48 PMGarbee Plus it makes debugging harder.
09:04:49 PMMastermindzh same here
09:05:02 PMMastermindzh I never use store bought firmware either on the routers
09:05:20 PMMastermindzh I can't stand the "ciso smart wifi" thing
09:05:25 PMGarbee Motorola has a nice Cable modem/router combo that is DOCSIS 3.x capable. That one I recommend to people. Anything else though, forget about it.
09:05:37 PMGarbee Yea, I buy routers specifically for DD-WRT support.
09:05:46 PMMastermindzh you know
09:05:49 PMGarbee I grab some Cisco refurbs for cheap and dd-wrt them.
09:06:01 PMMastermindzh if you need limited capabilities, a TP-LINK nano router works really well
09:06:07 PMGarbee The router I have used the past two years or so, is a $30 refurb from Cisco!
09:06:13 PMrobgor yeah the router I had with the old modem didnt support dd-wrt
09:06:24 PMMastermindzh the router I use is a home made machine that I bought for 150
09:06:48 PMMastermindzh But on a totally different note
09:06:52 PMMastermindzh I got a couple of game keys
09:06:56 PMGarbee oh well, I'm off for the night.
09:06:59 PMMastermindzh for steam
09:07:06 PMMastermindzh so anyone want any of these games?
09:07:18 PMGarbee Mastermindzh, I hope to see you around during the week. Hopefully you catch me when I'm not busy to chat some.
09:07:33 PMMastermindzh RIP trilogy | pacific storm 12 | robin hood - the legend | thomas was alone | patrician IV | tropico 3
09:07:55 PMMastermindzh You'll see me around I guess garbee, will be adding cat5 as a regular channel soon
09:07:59 PM_Jot_ ah, humble weekly sale
09:08:24 PMMastermindzh nah, bundle stars :)
09:09:03 PMMastermindzh so need anything haha?
09:11:16 PMDennis_Kelley Night RobbieF and Hillary! And everyone else in the chat room!
09:11:26 PMMastermindzh Goodnight dennis_kelley
09:11:34 PM_Jot_ you too Dennis_Kelley
09:11:36 PMMastermindzh I'm gonna leave as well :)
09:11:48 PM_Jot_ see you Mastermindzh
09:13:49 PMrobgor All I know is my modem is a cisso but cant remember what model
09:14:47 PMMastermindzh1 Am I back as Mastermindzh?
09:14:48 PMMastermindzh1 Yeah!
09:14:51 PMrobgor 6 more hours and I get to go home, I hate it when you having nothing to do at work the days drags on
09:15:37 PMMastermindzh1 Yeah that's awfull.
09:15:43 PMMastermindzh1 I only have to fix 1 computer tomorrow
09:15:56 PMMastermindzh1 Taking it easy since I'm in the hospital.
09:16:03 PM_Jot_ make sure to look busy when the boss comes to ask why you were on an internet tv show :)
09:16:22 PMMastermindzh1 I'm really going to leave now btw
09:16:24 PMMastermindzh1 bye guys!
09:18:10 PMRobbieF Just rendering the episode so going to go sit with Rachel and Bekah by the campfire for a bit. Seeya soon.
09:18:12 PMrobgor lol he doesnt watch it jot, the only reason he knows about linux is because we have a server using it
09:18:14 PM_Jot_ 100k people watch it or will watch it :)
09:19:19 PM_Jot_ and RobbieF ran out of there before they ran out of marshmellows :)
09:20:49 PMrobgor campfire that sounds good

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