06:58:23 PM | Mastermindzh | internet is really slow in this hospital though so hope it keeps running :D
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06:59:20 PM | _Jot_ | 'Hospital brought down by episode of category5 - more news later when it can come out after the episode stopped':P
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07:00:00 PM | Mastermindzh | haha jot
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07:00:12 PM | Mastermindzh | hey hillary!
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07:00:25 PM | ajamison5579 | the long run of unemployment is over !!!! I just got a job, though not the most glamourous of jobs but one never the less
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07:00:38 PM | _Jot_ | congratulations ajamison5579
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07:00:52 PM | paulr8 | congrats jamison, sounds good
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07:00:58 PM | Mastermindzh | Congratulations ajamison!
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07:01:02 PM | Mastermindzh | what did you find :D?
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07:01:35 PM | ajamison5579 | I am working int he electronics depeartment of a store similar to Walmart lol not the most luxurious job but a job all the same matermindzh
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07:02:08 PM | Mastermindzh | Yeah cool! I really enjoyed working in a store, lots of different people you get to meet everyday!
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07:02:19 PM | Dennis_Kelley | A Job is a Job when you have no Job!
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07:02:40 PM | paulr8 | thats right!
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07:02:42 PM | Dennis_Kelley | is the show slow to start
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07:02:56 PM | _Jot_ | VLC is working, youtube and radio aren't
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07:03:13 PM | Valpenone | hi all
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07:03:18 PM | Mastermindzh | dangit, I can't use vlc now !
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07:03:22 PM | BobK54 | its ALIVE!!!!!
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07:03:23 PM | paulr8 | guess i need to install vlc lol
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07:03:31 PM | Mastermindzh | it works on youtube now :D
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07:03:59 PM | Dennis_Kelley | ok got it. ecoalkaline commercial
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07:04:14 PM | paulr8 | youtube coming threw now :)
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07:04:18 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Hillary!
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07:04:52 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Funny how RobbieF Ipod looks like Hillary's
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07:04:55 PM | _Jot_ | you're missing a little intro if you are watching on youtube, but don't worry, you haven't really missed much
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07:04:59 PM | Mastermindzh | nice robgor, nice!
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07:05:23 PM | paulr8 | great robgor :)
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07:05:31 PM | paulr8 | yay hillary :)
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07:05:32 PM | _Jot_ | thanks robgor
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07:05:47 PM | keckeckec | robgor -- so generous!
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07:06:22 PM | _Jot_ | If you want to help with the studio, or just have too much money, feel free to get rid of some at http://cat5.tv/c
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07:06:24 PM | paulr8 | yay, youtube working for me tonight
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07:08:52 PM | Mastermindzh | lot's of new people this week.
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07:08:52 PM | Garbee | W00T.I made it for once.
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07:08:53 PM | Mastermindzh | nice garbee
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07:08:53 PM | nakedcook | Hi Robbie and Hillary I've made it and it's after midnight
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07:08:53 PM | pyrosrock_eee | thats a fair few people
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07:09:10 PM | keckeckec | Anyone use Konversation -- How do you copy a nick to the clipboard?
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07:09:11 PM | nakedcook | I want one of those
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07:09:24 PM | robgor | are we having problems with the audio stream?
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07:09:37 PM | ajamison5579 | Come on Drawbot Daddy needs me a new USB hub sucka
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07:09:40 PM | BobK54 | I missed that a few shows back. another chance!! :)
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07:09:45 PM | _Jot_ | DrawBot is a pretty new viewer, but I think he's pretty scared of people, he always leaves so soon
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07:09:54 PM | Mastermindzh | haha.
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07:09:55 PM | keckeckec | robgor: it's ok here
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07:10:02 PM | diffg | not really sure as I am having problems with the whole thing
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07:10:33 PM | _Jot_ | Hillary, be careful, he's kicking you out (but we want to keep you, so don't let him!)
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07:11:05 PM | nakedcook | Robbie conky isn't working with Point on my PC
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07:11:17 PM | ajamison5579 | You guys scared Drawbot off
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07:11:20 PM | _Jot_ | see, there he was :)
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07:11:23 PM | ajamison5579 | good going
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07:11:27 PM | ajamison5579 | lol
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07:11:33 PM | chaslinux | Thought the last time we tried Teamviewer on Linux is was dreadfully slow, did that change?
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07:11:39 PM | Mastermindzh | YES!
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07:11:43 PM | Mastermindzh | teamviewer is awesome now :)
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07:11:56 PM | BobK54 | me me me me me me me
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07:12:00 PM | Mastermindzh | me!
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07:12:00 PM | Mastermindzh | xD
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07:12:07 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief what is with the new Slasher music for Drawbot
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07:12:13 PM | _Jot_ | I'm so going to win, I haven't won anything in weeks!
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07:12:18 PM | Mastermindzh | COME ON!
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07:12:19 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Not _Jot_ Not _Jot_
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07:12:24 PM | Mastermindzh | Mastermindzh please :D
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07:12:42 PM | BobK54 | the suspense is killing me.....
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07:12:43 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Great music for it.
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07:12:49 PM | Mastermindzh | noooo it passed me again :(
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07:12:50 PM | Mastermindzh | xD
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07:13:05 PM | nakedcook | Yes I would lol
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07:13:09 PM | Mastermindzh | come on!
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07:13:11 PM | Mastermindzh | :D
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07:13:12 PM | Mastermindzh | stop already!
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07:13:26 PM | pyrosrock_eee | run it on my pi
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07:13:31 PM | _Jot_ | congratulations diffg
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07:13:37 PM | Mastermindzh | congrats!
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07:13:44 PM | BobK54 | congrats!!
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07:13:47 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Congrats
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07:13:49 PM | ajamison5579 | Curse you Drawbot we will meet again and next time I will win
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07:13:50 PM | _Jot_ | lol
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07:13:53 PM | paulr8 | yay diffg
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07:13:59 PM | paulr8 | :)
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07:14:02 PM | _Jot_ | he left so not sure he wanted to be here :P
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07:14:04 PM | Sanseriff | grats
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07:14:06 PM | _Jot_ | or she
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07:14:14 PM | chaslinux | Drawbot is pretty neat, is it a script?
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07:14:15 PM | Dennis_Kelley | pyrosrock_eee you have a RPi? So do I!
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07:14:24 PM | GoodGuy | He/She left
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07:14:25 PM | _Jot_ | chaslinux, I believe so
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07:14:36 PM | Dennis_Kelley | how is that fair!
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07:14:40 PM | ajamison5579 | chaslinux yep Robbief scripted it to interact with a PHP script (assuming) he made
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07:14:45 PM | pyrosrock_eee | Dennis_Kelley have 2
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07:14:54 PM | Dennis_Kelley | cool
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07:14:56 PM | chaslinux | That's pretty sweet, looks great.
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07:15:23 PM | GoodGuy | I have two also.. one older one with 256mb
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07:15:36 PM | Dennis_Kelley | pyrosrock_eee , I am using it to control my Halloween props this year!
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07:15:38 PM | ajamison5579 | I am going to start a new network the Association of Bald Tech personalities
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07:15:51 PM | ajamison5579 | I myself am a member
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07:16:02 PM | Mastermindzh | START WITH WINDOWS? have you lost you're mind!?!?
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07:16:03 PM | ajamison5579 | minus the tech personality part
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07:16:05 PM | robgor | RobbieF can we call in now?
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07:16:28 PM | ajamison5579 | Facebook is evil
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07:16:29 PM | _Jot_ | robgor, you can, if he doesn't answer it just means he is busy
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07:16:33 PM | Sanseriff | you used the w word what dirty language
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07:16:33 PM | ajamison5579 | but great at the same time
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07:16:54 PM | robgor | ok thanks jot wasnt sure if it was question time yet?
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07:18:36 PM | _Jot_ | rogor, since he has a few OSs to go through, it probably takes a while since it seems the feauture. I'd call during the news myself or when it is close to ending
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07:18:55 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief why not allow the Terminal services through the GUI messing with the Regedit program can kill a windows PC if they edit the wrong thing
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07:21:46 PM | ajamison5579 | guys if your editing the windows Registry please be careful it cam destroy your windows installtion if your not careful
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07:22:04 PM | ajamison5579 | *can
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07:22:18 PM | Mastermindzh | I like regedit lols
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07:22:55 PM | _Jot_ | not to mention that it depends on what windows you are using, it may not be required, something else ma ybe, and it maybe required but at a completely different place
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07:25:22 PM | Dennis_Kelley | pyrosrock_eee - what do you use your Raspberry Pi for?
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07:26:40 PM | pyrosrock_eee | Dennis_Kelley whatever i feel like but not that much just to play with
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07:27:15 PM | pyrosrock_eee | Dennis_Kelley but i have been using one to recover an old drive and coppy it to our server
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07:29:27 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Hillary are you Catching all this?
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07:31:05 PM | _Jot_ | RobbieF is not always a very nice and awesome guy :P
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07:32:34 PM | GoodGuy | BING
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07:32:43 PM | pyrosrock_eee | it was in the middle of the night so all good
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07:33:01 PM | Mastermindzh | Yeah it was horrible, google owns the world now lols.
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07:33:08 PM | GoodGuy | Use BING... they will be happy as a lark
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07:33:29 PM | Mastermindzh | I binged it sounds so stupid lols
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07:33:50 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, My internet was broken...
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07:33:56 PM | Garbee | I only need to do a search right then!
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07:34:05 PM | Garbee | Android market was down.
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07:34:13 PM | Mastermindzh | "I tried google" , "I checked youtube" hilarious robbie :P
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07:34:18 PM | pyrosrock_eee | twitter
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07:34:19 PM | Dennis_Kelley | was Facebook working?
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07:34:23 PM | Garbee | yup, I hit it.
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07:34:26 PM | chaslinux | That's what that @tweet about the Internet dying was about... lol
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07:34:33 PM | Garbee | 40% drop in internet traffic when they were down.
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07:34:58 PM | Garbee | Dennis_Kelley, When Google went down yes. However, I think they did have an outage later in the week.
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07:35:17 PM | Garbee | Amazon had an outage on some of their cloud services too in the past week or so.
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07:36:07 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, IE10
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07:36:21 PM | Mastermindzh | IE 10 is the same garbage as IE 7 lols
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07:36:24 PM | Garbee | On Windows Phone 8 series. 7 has IE9.
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07:36:30 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, Actually no it isn't.
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07:36:33 PM | Garbee | IE10 is pretty nice.
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07:36:40 PM | Mastermindzh | you really think so?
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07:36:42 PM | Garbee | IE11 is even better.
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07:36:48 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, Um, I don't *think* I know.
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07:36:50 PM | Mastermindzh | Firefox is way better haha
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07:37:10 PM | Garbee | They have made loads of improvements over the years in standard support, even to having the first flexbox support.
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07:37:49 PM | Mastermindzh | I don;t know, still don't like it. Though the windows 8 app is pretty decent.
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07:38:09 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, unless you have sat down and really used or developed for IE8/9/10/+ please don't comment on how crappy they are.
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07:38:14 PM | Garbee | IE9 was a complete rewrite from the ground up.
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07:38:24 PM | Garbee | IE10 improved on that with new standard support.
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07:38:29 PM | Garbee | IE11 is taking that even further.
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07:38:44 PM | Mastermindzh | that's true, but we still have to support ie6 7 and 8, which is horrible
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07:38:46 PM | Garbee | MS has really gotten behind the standards, in fact they kinda were in the first place which is why they "sucked" for so long.
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07:38:54 PM | Garbee | haha, no.
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07:38:56 PM | Garbee | 6 is dead.
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07:38:59 PM | Garbee | 7 very close.
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07:39:10 PM | Garbee | 8 only until April of next year which is only getting closer.
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07:39:16 PM | Garbee | It isn't an issue.
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07:39:22 PM | Mastermindzh | it won't go away just like that though.
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07:39:27 PM | pyrosrock_eee | oh Garbee you are such a microsoft fan boy!
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07:39:38 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, It won't, but developer support will.
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07:39:51 PM | Garbee | Once MS isn't supporting it at all anymore, devs won't stand for the crap either.
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07:40:06 PM | Garbee | In fact, most businesses move at that point so they still get MS support.
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07:41:08 PM | Mastermindzh | But my clientell isn't businesses.
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07:41:15 PM | Mastermindzh | And I want my stuff to work across everything pretty much.
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07:41:15 PM | Garbee | pyrosrock_eee, I'm not a fan boy. I understand what the IE team goes through (and I deal with some of them pretty regularly.) They are getting much better, in fact they are doing better than Apple with Safari.
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07:41:20 PM | Mastermindzh | I'd agree with you on that lols.
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07:41:21 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, They don't use CSS/JS at all. Just pure markup. that is the only way to get your web page to work across everything pretty much.
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07:41:21 PM | Garbee | Then don't use*
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07:41:31 PM | Mastermindzh | haha that's kinda drastic but true sadly
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07:41:47 PM | Garbee | Also, IE brought us InnerHTML in their "dark" years. So don't go bashing them so quickly...
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07:41:57 PM | chaslinux | @Garbee I second that, at least Microsoft offers refurbisher licenses, Apple doesn't, so all our Apple boxes get Lubuntu.
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07:42:01 PM | Garbee | They have (like *every* browser) done good and bad for us.
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07:42:27 PM | Mastermindzh | That is also true, but you can't get around the fact that every browser release was under par so far.
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07:42:33 PM | Mastermindzh | they just neglected it in my opinion
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07:42:45 PM | Garbee | No, IE9+ are not sub-par.
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07:43:21 PM | Mastermindzh | 10 is pretty decent I agree, but still not AS good as some other options.
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07:43:37 PM | Mastermindzh | of course "Flock" is the best browser anyways haha
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07:44:05 PM | Garbee | IE10 is much better than what they had before and it makes devs lives *much* easier. Ofc to anyone in-the-know it is still very hindered compared to Firefox and Chrome.
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07:44:15 PM | Garbee | But, for people who just use what comes in their box, IE10+ is what I'd want there.
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07:44:28 PM | pyrosrock_eee | Garbee my main hate with ie is that i dont want dozens of toolbars and such
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07:44:30 PM | Mastermindzh | I do agree that IE10 is very usable, and not horrible for the end user.
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07:44:32 PM | Garbee | I'd love Chrome more, but hey, at least IE is getting with the times.
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07:44:44 PM | Garbee | pyrosrock_eee, Not an IE problem.
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07:44:49 PM | Garbee | Chrome and FF can easily get that way.
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07:45:03 PM | Mastermindzh | that I do agree with, for non techies ie 10 will suffice for me it won't though.
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07:45:32 PM | Mastermindzh | nah chrome is worse than IE pyrosrock when it comes to extensions that get installed from anywhere in my opinion.
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07:45:41 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, Not now.
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07:45:48 PM | Garbee | Chrome has disabled that ability.
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07:45:51 PM | Mastermindzh | chrome usually gives them WAY too much rights on you're computer.
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07:45:54 PM | pyrosrock_eee | Garbee well i duno what its like on that new metro vista ribbon crap
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07:45:58 PM | chaslinux | Oh guys... we pay $60yr/CDN for VOIP, but unlimited Canada only.
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07:46:10 PM | Mastermindzh | Garbee, it still did alot of harm though.
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07:46:14 PM | pyrosrock_eee | but i uninstall it on xp
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07:46:21 PM | Garbee | pyrosrock_eee, Doesn't matter what version you are on. your argument of toolbars is still completely moot.
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07:46:43 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, And Chrome fixed it. In the update they warned you about addons installed that way and asked if you wanted to keep them, defaulting to disable them.
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07:46:50 PM | Garbee | So, all is good now.
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07:47:19 PM | Mastermindzh | True, but harm was still done. Harm that never should've been done.
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07:47:42 PM | Garbee | I can go on about browser politics all day. Primary point is Safari is now the worst browser and will have the slowest development going forward.
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07:47:53 PM | Garbee | IE is just fine, no worries there with 10+.
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07:48:04 PM | Garbee | Chrome and FF have issues, but they are mostly being worked on.
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07:48:09 PM | Garbee | All is good.
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07:48:13 PM | Garbee | Except Safari.
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07:48:16 PM | Garbee | ... :(
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07:48:35 PM | Mastermindzh | Well, for end users it doesn't really matter which they have now, I do agree on that.
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07:48:39 PM | Mastermindzh | still
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07:48:41 PM | pyrosrock_eee | that said Garbee havent run windows for over 6 months now
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07:48:44 PM | Mastermindzh | I wish they all just did the same thing.
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07:49:22 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, They are working on it, but there also *needs* to be some differentiation. If that isn't there then we won't find better ways of doing things.
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07:49:35 PM | Garbee | The standards should be supported, that is being worked on heavily.
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07:49:46 PM | Garbee | But, how they do it, that needs to be up to the browser to find the best way.
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07:50:17 PM | Mastermindzh | A cross browser standard would be awesome, don'
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07:50:25 PM | Mastermindzh | t see it happening soon though.
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07:50:28 PM | _Jot_ | you mean HTTP
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07:50:30 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, http://w3.org
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07:50:42 PM | Garbee | HTML/CSS/JS, you may have heard of these before.
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07:50:59 PM | chaslinux | Lost the video feed... did anyone else?
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07:51:02 PM | Mastermindzh | haha I work with them daily, and yes that new site is horrible looking haha
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07:51:03 PM | GoodGuy | yes
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07:51:08 PM | paulr8 | yes
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07:51:11 PM | Sanseriff | yes lost it
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07:51:15 PM | Garbee | chaslinux, Yup, refresh.
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07:51:24 PM | Sanseriff | back
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07:51:25 PM | paulr8 | almost made it threw to the end
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07:51:28 PM | Garbee | I think the new site is much better than what they had.
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07:51:44 PM | Mastermindzh | idk, I liked the old one better.
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07:51:44 PM | paulr8 | got it back
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07:51:50 PM | Mastermindzh | although finding stuff is easier now.
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07:52:26 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, Congrats, you just stated why the redesign is better. ;)
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07:52:41 PM | Mastermindzh | haha, still don't like the look of it though.
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07:52:43 PM | Garbee | Have you checked out Web Platform Docs yet Mastermindzh?
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07:53:16 PM | Mastermindzh | Not as much as I should've
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07:53:42 PM | Garbee | Well, if you have any issues/complaints/compliments with that, let me know.
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07:54:12 PM | Mastermindzh | you'll always keep issues I'm afraid.
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07:54:28 PM | _Jot_ | I'm suprised the broadcast-server still works without washers or anything
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07:54:28 PM | Mastermindzh | and differences of opinion.
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07:54:34 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, That confuses me. Why would I keep issues?
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07:54:47 PM | Mastermindzh | not you specifically, just "people"
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07:55:03 PM | Garbee | Seriously, if you have anything to say about WPD let me know. I will look into any issues and work to have them resolved.
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07:55:13 PM | ajamison5579 | Wirecast is so not worth 1000 its just software and costs a fraction of that to develop
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07:55:21 PM | Mastermindzh | After I recover I promise to look into it a bit more lols.
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07:56:08 PM | ajamison5579 | 500 is way more reasonable of a price
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07:56:27 PM | Garbee | The point of WPD is to be neutral and authorative documentation for web devs. There really is no room for harboring "differences in opinion" unless it comes to docs on best practices which can change quickly.
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07:56:27 PM | Mastermindzh | but I hear you're a windows fan garbee? you never use linux?
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07:56:33 PM | Guest_4687 | Thank you guys...I'll go back and look as I'm having probs with conky on Point Linux
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07:56:44 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, I use linux every day.
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07:56:49 PM | Mastermindzh | besides servers as well?
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07:56:53 PM | Garbee | In fact, I run IRC on it.
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07:56:57 PM | Garbee | Yea, right now I'm on an Ubuntu laptop.
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07:57:07 PM | Mastermindzh | why did someone call you a windows fanboy then xD
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07:57:08 PM | Garbee | I do development on here daily.
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07:57:16 PM | Mastermindzh | you like unity?
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07:57:20 PM | Garbee | Because I defended the IE team improving.
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07:57:31 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, I can get work done. No comment beyond that. ;)
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07:57:36 PM | Mastermindzh | I think it's a massive improvement over the old way.
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07:57:51 PM | Mastermindzh | have you tried elementary?
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07:57:56 PM | Mastermindzh | it came out couple of days ago.
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07:58:02 PM | Garbee | Nah. Not interested.
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07:58:07 PM | Garbee | I have tried *many* desktops.
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07:58:15 PM | GoodGuy | video died again
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07:58:24 PM | _Jot_ | just youtube
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07:58:25 PM | Mastermindzh | And you chose ubuntu? for the support?
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07:58:25 PM | Garbee | None are Gnome2 and Mate is crap for me on Ubuntu.
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07:58:40 PM | Garbee | No, I chose it since that is what my server runs so I can dev *very* closly to real conditions.
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07:58:45 PM | Mastermindzh | umm zorin does a fine job of mimicking gnome 2, point linux is not bad either.
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07:58:57 PM | Garbee | Zorin is bloated junk to me.
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07:59:01 PM | Mastermindzh | and yeah mate is crap
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07:59:02 PM | Garbee | It is a nice distro for beginners.
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07:59:10 PM | Mastermindzh | it is a little bloated yeah.
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07:59:10 PM | Garbee | Linux Mint is my fav non-ubuntu distro.
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07:59:25 PM | Garbee | Even it is based on it.
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07:59:36 PM | Garbee | But, still. I'm getting as close to my server as possible for dev.
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07:59:36 PM | Mastermindzh | my list goes: elementary - lubuntu - ubuntu - mint
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08:00:18 PM | GoodGuy | LXLE
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08:00:18 PM | Garbee | Plus I am working with some projects (such as Brackets) which are targeting Ubuntu for releases. So, it helps to be on the thing they target.
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08:01:00 PM | Mastermindzh | The one complaint I really had they fixed, so I think they did really well.
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08:01:28 PM | ajamison5579 | Robbief we are not seeing anything your doing
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08:01:35 PM | pyrosrock_eee | out of shot robbie
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08:01:58 PM | pyrosrock_eee | or is that just youtube?
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08:02:08 PM | _Jot_ | no, it was out of shot everywhere :)
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08:02:14 PM | Mastermindzh | backstage pass sees more of the stuff going on outside the "shot"
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08:02:23 PM | _Jot_ | but all the video was captured so it was just youtube and google not working
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08:02:28 PM | BobK54 | bye all
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08:02:29 PM | ajamison5579 | all we saw was Robbie's left side
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08:02:35 PM | RobbieF | You'll have to watch the recording to see the shot!
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08:02:35 PM | Sanseriff | bye
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08:02:37 PM | RobbieF | thanks all
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08:02:47 PM | gpop7 | great show hillary and robbief
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08:02:51 PM | Mastermindzh | No problem robbie , great show!
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08:02:55 PM | Valpenone | nite all
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08:02:59 PM | paulr8 | thank you
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08:03:08 PM | paulr8 | youtube worked tonight yay :)
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08:03:25 PM | gpop7 | nite all. see you next week same time same station.
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08:03:35 PM | chaslinux | Night all... see you next time.
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08:03:38 PM | pyrosrock_eee | so with multiple cams on the one tripod/stand when will we be getting the 3d broadcast?
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08:03:38 PM | _Jot_ | see you gpop7
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08:03:44 PM | _Jot_ | night chaslinux
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08:03:55 PM | gpop7 | take care jot
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08:03:57 PM | pyrosrock_eee | RobbieF ^
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08:04:22 PM | chaslinux | Thanks _Jot_ you as well... great show RobbieF and Hillary
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08:07:23 PM | RobbieF | make sure you check out the stand once the files are uploaded
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08:09:21 PM | pyrosrock_eee | RobbieF do you still do the rebroadcast an hour later?
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08:09:32 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, We had a good browser debate for you as you read the chat logs. ;)
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08:13:39 PM | Mastermindzh | Yeah we did :), firefox rules!
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08:13:39 PM | Mastermindzh | xD
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08:14:30 PM | RobbieF | Rachel Xu just arrived
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08:14:37 PM | RobbieF | no pyrosrock_eee
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08:14:50 PM | RobbieF | I suppose we could though
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08:15:46 PM | robgor | hey RobbieF
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08:15:56 PM | RobbieF | Hey robgor - thanks for the call mate
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08:16:37 PM | robgor | no probs my mobile (cell) dropped out the first time I called, but glad I was able to get through
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08:17:05 PM | RobbieF | me too
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08:17:27 PM | robgor | is hillary still around?
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08:17:41 PM | RobbieF | neah; she had to bolt
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08:17:47 PM | RobbieF | she was very appreciative of the gift man.
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08:19:36 PM | robgor | ah ok yeah I know what it feels like to have items stolen, had my house broken into in november 2011 not a nice felling especially when they trash the house
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08:20:19 PM | robgor | the invasion of privacy is worse than having the goods stolen, they can be replaced
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08:20:39 PM | RobbieF | Yeah we had the same thing happen
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08:21:58 PM | robgor | gee that was cheap I checked my mobile only cost 24c for the calls
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08:22:59 PM | _Jot_ | it was a short call, we all heard it :)
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08:23:25 PM | RobbieF | great :)
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08:23:47 PM | robgor | I dont know if I want to watch the show latter I dont sound the best, definatly not a voice for radio lol
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08:24:35 PM | robgor | hey robbie can u accidently lose that part where I called in
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08:25:52 PM | RobbieF | haha no way
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08:25:56 PM | RobbieF | it was brilliant
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08:26:29 PM | robgor | :( hope I dont sound like a smurf
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08:26:47 PM | RobbieF | you sounded great
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08:26:50 PM | _Jot_ | you sounded just fine
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08:27:16 PM | robgor | ok thanks
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08:27:53 PM | _Jot_ | don't feel bad if you don't want to listen to it yourself, getting used to yourself on camera and your own voice isn't always easy
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08:28:13 PM | _Jot_ | I still haven't been able to listen to episode 222 entirely :)
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08:28:47 PM | Mastermindzh | The discussion with garbee on code styles is even better than the browser one lols.
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08:29:12 PM | Garbee | ;)
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08:29:18 PM | Garbee | no idea why we are doing it in private chat.
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08:29:35 PM | Mastermindzh | because we're agreeing too much lols.
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08:29:57 PM | robgor | ok, well on video I would be a little like robbie bald but dont cut my hair all off
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08:30:13 PM | _Jot_ | probably because it wasn't really related to the show and maybe people would want to talk about that during the show :)
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08:30:30 PM | Garbee | _Jot_, Show relation matters not. This is CODE!
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08:30:34 PM | robgor | and with glasses so really more of a bald nerd than robbie : lol
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08:30:41 PM | Garbee | Plus, I am op dude, I'll chat about what I want. ;)
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08:30:42 PM | Garbee | :P
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08:30:49 PM | _Jot_ | robgor, hehe don't worry, RobbieF is good but he still can't get your picture through a phone
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08:31:11 PM | robgor | hmm one day that will be possible
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08:31:14 PM | Mastermindzh | We'll spam bad code at you garbee, you're inner geek will have to rise and fix it.
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08:31:26 PM | _Jot_ | yeah well, I have more awards than you Garbee!
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08:31:29 PM | Garbee | nah, I'm too busy to fix all the bad code I see.
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08:31:44 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, I demand chatroom ops get an award!
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08:31:51 PM | Garbee | I need to outdo Jot now...
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08:31:58 PM | Garbee | Any leg-up I can get.
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08:32:11 PM | robgor | hey garbee, mastermindzh how u guys going
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08:32:20 PM | Mastermindzh | I'm fine :)
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08:32:25 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Mastermindzh is a nano baby too FYI
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08:32:38 PM | Garbee | Maybe one day you two can take a VIM class and catch up to me.
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08:32:38 PM | Mastermindzh | :)
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08:33:17 PM | Mastermindzh | Maybe one day Robbie does a show on nano and YOU finally can catch up to all the people that were smart enough to use nano instead of vim hahaha
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08:33:36 PM | Garbee | I used to use nano a lot because I didn't like vim.
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08:33:41 PM | Garbee | Then I used vim for real.
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08:33:57 PM | Garbee | Very nice little thing they have going on.
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08:33:57 PM | _Jot_ | wow, I can't even find Garbee in the registered user list
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08:34:27 PM | Mastermindzh | I still like nano
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08:34:27 PM | Garbee | And once you learn *why* the h, j, k, and l keys are your movement keys and why they are the ones they are. It makes so much sense and is easy to navigate.
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08:34:29 PM | Mastermindzh | :P
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08:34:51 PM | robgor | robbief does h.264 get installed in pointlinux when you add the non free items?
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08:34:54 PM | Garbee | H = left, j = up, k = down, l = right.
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08:35:04 PM | Garbee | Based on really old keyboards that didn't have arrow keys.
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08:35:06 PM | Mastermindzh | h,j ,k and l are the movement keys because in old fighter games that would be the keys you used :)
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08:35:16 PM | RobbieF | guessing so robgor
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08:35:16 PM | Garbee | Even before fighter games.
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08:35:32 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Speaking of pointlinux, I am officially off of it.
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08:35:32 PM | _Jot_ | there have been dozens of controlschemes on homecomputers
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08:35:34 PM | Mastermindzh | I obviously wasn't serious about the games lols.
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08:36:04 PM | Mastermindzh | Yeah, why garbee? you told me you wanted to go closer to you're server. but what made you actually switch from point?
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08:36:18 PM | Garbee | I only tested point.
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08:36:26 PM | Garbee | I had always used Ubuntu on my desktop.
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08:36:26 PM | robgor | ok because when I try to convert a blue ray ripped with makemkv in handbrake my system crashes and restarts, it is fine with mp4 though
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08:36:32 PM | Garbee | Save the year Unity was switched too.
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08:36:35 PM | RobbieF | I switched my work computer to Point Linux and it's been great.
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08:36:40 PM | Garbee | 12.04 and 12.10 were absolute crap.
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08:36:52 PM | Garbee | Point just had too many issues with me. Especially installing things like Steam.
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08:36:55 PM | Garbee | I just said screw it.
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08:36:57 PM | Mastermindzh | Robbie, have you looked at elementary?? I really like it.
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08:37:04 PM | Garbee | Windows 7 is now on my desktop again to get work done there.
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08:37:04 PM | RobbieF | no problems installing steam here
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08:37:09 PM | Mastermindzh | Steam installed fine on point for me garbee
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08:37:14 PM | robgor | garbee I got steam working in pointlinux
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08:37:14 PM | RobbieF | just need to setup multiarch.
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08:37:21 PM | Garbee | I got it installed, but I still had to go grab some package and setup multiarch.
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08:37:29 PM | Garbee | Too much trouble.
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08:37:34 PM | RobbieF | no trouble at all.
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08:37:34 PM | Garbee | Things should just work.
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08:37:40 PM | RobbieF | There's a script that does it all in one click
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08:37:49 PM | Garbee | I know, that is what I used.
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08:37:51 PM | Garbee | I had to fix the script though.
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08:37:56 PM | Garbee | It had the wrong URL for the package.
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08:38:01 PM | Garbee | At least the version I found.
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08:38:23 PM | Mastermindzh | so you're solution was to switch to windows 7.
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08:38:29 PM | Garbee | Yup.
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08:38:32 PM | Garbee | Chrome Canary works there.
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08:38:34 PM | Garbee | ;)
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08:38:45 PM | Mastermindzh | but on linux we have cowsay
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08:38:47 PM | Garbee | I am working with the Chromium team on improving their bug-tracking situation.
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08:38:48 PM | Mastermindzh | and cowsay rules all
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08:38:51 PM | robgor | oh yeah robbief that script for the makemkv has an issue in point linux
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08:39:12 PM | Garbee | Linux also has lynx.
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08:39:20 PM | Garbee | that is fun to drop into from time-to-time.
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08:39:48 PM | Mastermindzh | Robbie you're probably busy but have you tried elementary OS? :)
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08:39:54 PM | robgor | It needed you t install an extra package, I ended up typing in the commands line by line in the terminal and it works fine
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08:40:16 PM | RobbieF | years ago, but not recently.
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08:40:23 PM | Garbee | Also with point I had to dist-upgrade before I could install php-fpm.
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08:40:26 PM | Garbee | No idea why.
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08:40:28 PM | Garbee | That also irked me.
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08:40:34 PM | Mastermindzh | it was recently released. lots of updates and it's perfect for beginners now.
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08:40:42 PM | Garbee | Because then I had quite a few php extensions I had to re-install.
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08:41:13 PM | robgor | mastermindzh I tried it on my laptop it installs fine but doesnt boot just get a black screen, probably to do with the optimus drivers it needs
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08:41:25 PM | Garbee | I am going to give the next OpenSUSE a shot when it releases. But I don't see that going too well based on past experience.
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08:41:43 PM | Mastermindzh | robgor try using nomodeset as a boot paramter, that'll get you past the black screen in most cases.
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08:41:54 PM | robgor | so what you using garbee
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08:42:02 PM | Mastermindzh | OpenSuse has the best christmas themed installer EVER
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08:42:06 PM | Garbee | Ubuntu 13.04 on my laptop, Win7 on the desktop.
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08:42:27 PM | Garbee | Yea, but OpenSUSE also has horrible "security" constructs.
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08:42:38 PM | Garbee | Why the hell do I need my password to change the time?
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08:42:50 PM | robgor | yeah I just dont like unity I use to use ubuntu
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08:42:54 PM | Garbee | I'll see how it goes. but I'm not expecting much.
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08:43:07 PM | Garbee | One amazing thing about OpenSUSE is the SUSE Studio.
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08:43:20 PM | Garbee | You can make your own custom images with all the packages you want right there.
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08:43:22 PM | Mastermindzh | robgor, unity has changed a lot and is quite usable now in my opinion :)
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08:43:36 PM | Garbee | Even setup your wallpaper and initial user on the spot of the ISO.
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08:43:39 PM | robgor | then I changed to zorinos for a while and had issues so now on pointlinux
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08:43:42 PM | Mastermindzh | Garbee, I never used openSuse really.
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08:43:46 PM | Garbee | usable, still not nice Mastermindzh.
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08:43:59 PM | Garbee | Why can't I click on a unity launch item to minimize it if it is open?
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08:44:01 PM | Mastermindzh | I disagree, I find unity rather pleasant to work with lols.
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08:44:10 PM | Garbee | that irks me so much.
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08:44:12 PM | robgor | yeah I just dont like the touch screen type interface that it has
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08:44:23 PM | Garbee | I don't mind the touchscreen type stuff.
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08:44:25 PM | Mastermindzh | garbee there's an update for that. also a tweak.
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08:44:31 PM | Garbee | It is just the "design decisions" that Canonical has made.
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08:44:41 PM | Garbee | Update where?
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08:44:44 PM | Mastermindzh | http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/unity-with-minimize-on-click-patch.html
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08:44:44 PM | Garbee | In Unity 8?
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08:44:57 PM | Mastermindzh | it's not official.
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08:44:58 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, I shouldn't need to patch it. And I know that exists.
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08:44:58 PM | robgor | though I do use docky with my most used programs on that
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08:45:02 PM | Garbee | It should just work.
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08:45:13 PM | Mastermindzh | then why use windows 7 lols.
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08:45:52 PM | Mastermindzh | you gotta install a dozen of programs to even get it to work.
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08:45:54 PM | Mastermindzh | docky is awesome :)
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08:45:55 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, Actually I really only need one program. Chrome.
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08:45:55 PM | Garbee | Anything beyond that, butter.
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08:45:59 PM | Mastermindzh | chrome and an antivirus (A)
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08:46:08 PM | Garbee | Actually no.
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08:46:08 PM | Garbee | I don't even need AV.
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08:46:12 PM | Garbee | Because I'm not stupid.
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08:46:22 PM | Mastermindzh | haha, heard that before.
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08:46:37 PM | Mastermindzh | But I agree most of it can be avoided simply by being a little smarter than a 2 year old.
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08:46:58 PM | Garbee | I know many people besides myself who don't use AV. No issues.
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08:47:13 PM | Garbee | However, any system that isn't for *just me* yes I AV the thing with MSE.
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08:47:26 PM | Mastermindzh | I know many people that use linux and have no issues lols.
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08:47:34 PM | Mastermindzh | mse?
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08:47:42 PM | Mastermindzh | did that pass the antivirus test again?
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08:47:42 PM | Mastermindzh | xD
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08:48:01 PM | _Jot_ | Microsoft Software Eraser
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08:48:31 PM | Mastermindzh | I use,
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08:48:32 PM | Mastermindzh | umm
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08:48:34 PM | Mastermindzh | the orange one
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08:48:35 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, That AV test results are complete BS.
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08:48:36 PM | robgor | lol reinstall
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08:48:48 PM | Garbee | Synthetic tests != tests.
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08:49:03 PM | Garbee | AVs programs are designed to pass it.
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08:49:15 PM | Garbee | You don't design it to pass in the real world, it either works or it doesn't.
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08:49:21 PM | Garbee | MSE is good for just about everyone.
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08:49:28 PM | Garbee | If you *really* want to pay, use ESET NOD32.
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08:49:42 PM | Mastermindzh | I read somehwere, and I don't know if it's true, that one of the MSE versions missed something so it wasn't really classified as a antivirus. that was what I was talking about.
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08:49:49 PM | Mastermindzh | But I don't really keep up with AV systems.
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08:49:52 PM | Garbee | RobbieF, Will also vouch for NOD32 and how good it is. but I find MSE just fine for everyone I set up with it.
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08:50:03 PM | Mastermindzh | "Avast" is what I use on my VB.
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08:50:13 PM | Garbee | nah, what the issue was it missed a virus that everyone else caught.
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08:50:29 PM | Garbee | However, that specific virus only affected an absolutely miniscule amount of users.
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08:50:36 PM | Garbee | So it wasn't really an issue at all.
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08:50:55 PM | Mastermindzh | Ah, good to know. but as I said I don't really keep up with AV news haha.
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08:50:57 PM | Garbee | Plus, if you looked into that virus, it actually could easily be confused with proper software code.
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08:51:18 PM | Garbee | So, if you don't really keep up with it, don't go bashing it for failing tests.
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08:51:31 PM | Garbee | ofc, you could have been joking...
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08:51:37 PM | Garbee | This is why I hate IRC, no tones.
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08:51:55 PM | Mastermindzh | it was infact a joke lol
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08:52:05 PM | Mastermindzh | not the no av use part
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08:52:09 PM | Mastermindzh | that's just ignorance
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08:52:31 PM | Mastermindzh | but for all I care you could be using mcafee, if it works for you go with it lol.
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08:52:41 PM | Mastermindzh | I'll be using...
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08:52:46 PM | Mastermindzh | oh wait linux doesn't need one
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08:52:47 PM | Mastermindzh | :)
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08:53:06 PM | Mastermindzh | And as said before, I use "Avast" on my other boxes.
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08:53:12 PM | Mastermindzh | or I think it's avast.
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08:53:16 PM | Mastermindzh | it's orange lols.
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08:53:35 PM | Garbee | well, if you need AV on Windows all the time then you also need it on Linux and BSD systems.
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08:53:53 PM | Garbee | Anyone with common sense can not get a virus unless someone is *really* after them.
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08:53:58 PM | _Jot_ | I do think these days it's almost required too
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08:54:04 PM | Garbee | This system is only used by me in my internal home network which I setup myself.
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08:54:08 PM | Garbee | I'm fine.
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08:54:25 PM | Mastermindzh | If YOU are the only one using it, then yes maybe you can do without.
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08:54:37 PM | Mastermindzh | I agree JOT, can't be too secure
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08:55:14 PM | Mastermindzh | although not being stupid still helps a great deal.
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08:55:22 PM | Garbee | And yes, you can be too secure.
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08:55:47 PM | Mastermindzh | locking yourself out of you're computer, oh what fun I have with that sometimes.
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08:55:58 PM | Garbee | I'm not locking my box in a lockbox which is embedded in my house just to keep it physically secure.
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08:56:18 PM | Mastermindzh | well, my server is bolted down lols.
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08:57:27 PM | _Jot_ | oh what fun we had the time it broke down and you needed to unlock it using the procedure on the computer
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08:57:55 PM | robgor | is it normal for a cable modem not to have the option to update your firmware?
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08:58:00 PM | Garbee | You can be too secure. I just take security into practice where needed. Like in my dads store network.
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08:58:04 PM | Garbee | At home, I don't give a crap.
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08:58:15 PM | Garbee | robgor, Yup.
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08:58:22 PM | Garbee | Because most don't have firmware upgrades.
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08:58:30 PM | Garbee | They are just boxes to run forever.
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08:58:41 PM | Mastermindzh | yeah right...
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08:58:43 PM | _Jot_ | robgor, most likely it is running special firmware from your provider, and they do remote updates
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08:58:43 PM | Garbee | Firmware upgrades typically come into play when you are getting a router built in.
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08:59:22 PM | Mastermindzh | Is this IRC usually busy during the week btw?
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08:59:28 PM | Garbee | _Jot_, That really depends on the modem, and most don't.
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08:59:34 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, on-and-off.
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08:59:41 PM | robgor | yeah with my old cable modem I had a router attached to it, with the one I have now its just the cable modem
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08:59:48 PM | Mastermindzh | garbee, here in the netherlands it's actually a common thing.
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08:59:55 PM | Garbee | if it is just a cable modem, then 99% of the time what comes on it is it, period.
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09:00:07 PM | Garbee | netherlands maybe, not in 'merica.
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09:00:39 PM | Garbee | They keep it running the same firmware and the only thing they update is the speeds you get when/if you change your service package.
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09:00:48 PM | robgor | might have made a pfsense or other linux based router,
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09:00:50 PM | Garbee | Plus, i don't see why the cable modem would need updating at all tbh.
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09:00:58 PM | Garbee | Theoretically it all should just work.
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09:01:01 PM | _Jot_ | depends on who supplies it Garbee, here sometimes the cable-provider gives you one, sometimes they require you to buy one but even if you buy it and it is your property, you are required to run the providers firmware and it auto-updates from their servers
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09:01:03 PM | Garbee | It is just a converter.
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09:01:19 PM | Mastermindzh | Yep, jot is spot on.
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09:01:25 PM | Mastermindzh | it's stupid but it's just the way it is
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09:01:35 PM | robgor | yeah thats why I changed it garbee I changed my plan and got the speed pack, which is crap as I havnt noticed any difference
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09:01:54 PM | Garbee | How would the provider program for every possible hardware setup in a modem? or are there only a few restricted hardware combinations allowed to be used?
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09:02:07 PM | Mastermindzh | there are a few restricted choises.
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09:02:11 PM | Mastermindzh | And usually one from the provider
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09:02:16 PM | Mastermindzh | which you then have to buy anyways
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09:02:16 PM | Garbee | Then it makes sense how that is done.
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09:02:32 PM | Garbee | In most countries with a free market though that isn't possible.
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09:02:51 PM | Mastermindzh | well they can make you're life pretty dang hard.
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09:03:02 PM | Garbee | What? Free Markets?
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09:03:09 PM | Mastermindzh | no the isp's
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09:03:28 PM | Garbee | well yea. They are nuts.
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09:03:35 PM | Garbee | Everyone hates their ISP.
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09:03:40 PM | robgor | yeah when I changed my plan the first modem I got the wifi didnt work so I got another brand, I think that my provider uses 4 different modems
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09:04:05 PM | Mastermindzh | I use a router for wifi robgor, you can just make or buy a good one
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09:04:23 PM | Garbee | My provider actually only uses one at a time. :P but, some people are still running their original modem from like a decade ago. :(
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09:04:23 PM | Mastermindzh | will make you';re life a LOT easier :)
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09:04:23 PM | Garbee | Now they have new DOCSIS 3 ones with IPv6 support!
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09:04:33 PM | Garbee | I always separate modem/router capabilities.
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09:04:42 PM | Garbee | Integrated ones have always been junk to me.
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09:04:48 PM | Garbee | Plus it makes debugging harder.
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09:04:49 PM | Mastermindzh | same here
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09:05:02 PM | Mastermindzh | I never use store bought firmware either on the routers
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09:05:20 PM | Mastermindzh | I can't stand the "ciso smart wifi" thing
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09:05:25 PM | Garbee | Motorola has a nice Cable modem/router combo that is DOCSIS 3.x capable. That one I recommend to people. Anything else though, forget about it.
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09:05:37 PM | Garbee | Yea, I buy routers specifically for DD-WRT support.
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09:05:46 PM | Mastermindzh | you know
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09:05:49 PM | Garbee | I grab some Cisco refurbs for cheap and dd-wrt them.
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09:06:01 PM | Mastermindzh | if you need limited capabilities, a TP-LINK nano router works really well
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09:06:07 PM | Garbee | The router I have used the past two years or so, is a $30 refurb from Cisco!
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09:06:13 PM | robgor | yeah the router I had with the old modem didnt support dd-wrt
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09:06:24 PM | Mastermindzh | the router I use is a home made machine that I bought for 150
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09:06:48 PM | Mastermindzh | But on a totally different note
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09:06:52 PM | Mastermindzh | I got a couple of game keys
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09:06:56 PM | Garbee | oh well, I'm off for the night.
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09:06:59 PM | Mastermindzh | for steam
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09:07:06 PM | Mastermindzh | so anyone want any of these games?
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09:07:18 PM | Garbee | Mastermindzh, I hope to see you around during the week. Hopefully you catch me when I'm not busy to chat some.
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09:07:33 PM | Mastermindzh | RIP trilogy | pacific storm 12 | robin hood - the legend | thomas was alone | patrician IV | tropico 3
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09:07:55 PM | Mastermindzh | You'll see me around I guess garbee, will be adding cat5 as a regular channel soon
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09:07:59 PM | _Jot_ | ah, humble weekly sale
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09:08:24 PM | Mastermindzh | nah, bundle stars :)
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09:09:03 PM | Mastermindzh | so need anything haha?
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09:11:16 PM | Dennis_Kelley | Night RobbieF and Hillary! And everyone else in the chat room!
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09:11:26 PM | Mastermindzh | Goodnight dennis_kelley
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09:11:34 PM | _Jot_ | you too Dennis_Kelley
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09:11:36 PM | Mastermindzh | I'm gonna leave as well :)
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09:11:48 PM | _Jot_ | see you Mastermindzh
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09:13:49 PM | robgor | All I know is my modem is a cisso but cant remember what model
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09:14:47 PM | Mastermindzh1 | Am I back as Mastermindzh?
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09:14:48 PM | Mastermindzh1 | Yeah!
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09:14:51 PM | robgor | 6 more hours and I get to go home, I hate it when you having nothing to do at work the days drags on
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09:15:37 PM | Mastermindzh1 | Yeah that's awfull.
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09:15:43 PM | Mastermindzh1 | I only have to fix 1 computer tomorrow
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09:15:56 PM | Mastermindzh1 | Taking it easy since I'm in the hospital.
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09:16:03 PM | _Jot_ | make sure to look busy when the boss comes to ask why you were on an internet tv show :)
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09:16:22 PM | Mastermindzh1 | I'm really going to leave now btw
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09:16:24 PM | Mastermindzh1 | bye guys!
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09:18:10 PM | RobbieF | Just rendering the episode so going to go sit with Rachel and Bekah by the campfire for a bit. Seeya soon.
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09:18:12 PM | robgor | lol he doesnt watch it jot, the only reason he knows about linux is because we have a server using it
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09:18:14 PM | _Jot_ | 100k people watch it or will watch it :)
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09:19:19 PM | _Jot_ | and RobbieF ran out of there before they ran out of marshmellows :)
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09:20:49 PM | robgor | campfire that sounds good
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