Chat Logs for Episode 352 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


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With 78 Posts:_Jot_
With 73 Posts:Tennessee_Frank
With 71 Posts:agamotto
With 61 Posts:Dave-Maydew
With 60 Posts:goodguy98


Chat Logs:

06:58:22 PM_Jot_ hi agamotto
06:58:42 PMagamotto hallo, all
06:58:42 PMDave-Maydew tropic air?? who's got bad wind??
06:58:58 PMagamotto It took nearly 30 min for my armpits to dry out after getting home from work....
06:59:01 PMTennessee_Frank Howdy agamotto.
06:59:18 PMDave-Maydew That's not good agamotto
06:59:30 PM_Jot_ Hillary, don't forget, the middle-finger always works as a sign, if they really go that way that RobbieF said
06:59:47 PMHillary haaa rude!
06:59:47 PMDave-Maydew lol
06:59:48 PMagamotto Well, it has been around 30C with nearly 80% humidity most of the day... ick
06:59:50 PMHillary hello world!
06:59:56 PMDave-Maydew Hi Hilary
07:00:00 PM_Jot_ cool beans!
07:00:10 PMDave-Maydew Argh Hillary even
07:00:13 PMMrNaturopathy Roku is just Black Now no stream yet
07:00:28 PMDave-Maydew YouTube is ready
07:00:28 PMoldsalt hey hillary
07:00:38 PM_Jot_ yeah, youtube is starting soon
07:00:40 PMTennessee_Frank Howdy oldsalt.
07:01:21 PMEric1212 Wow, and they still made it on time! RobbieF is a crazy man!!
07:01:22 PM_Jot_ there should be a picture soon if everything goes correctly
07:01:23 PMoldsalt hey Tennessee_Frank, hows things going
07:01:30 PMTennessee_Frank Finally got my 12Mb/s connection installed on Thursday last week. Took em' 4 days but it's in.
07:01:33 PMMrNaturopathy can i get the live show from you tube on Roku. I dont think so.
07:01:47 PMTennessee_Frank oldsalt, decent enough , getting a bit hot here though.
07:01:54 PMDave-Maydew I've got Mint and Chocolate in my Vapor pipe tonight
07:01:56 PMMrNaturopathy Roku is Live
07:02:00 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, Happy guy, now?
07:02:00 PMRobbieF Hi everyone!
07:02:04 PM_Jot_ hi RobbieF
07:02:18 PMDave-Maydew Howdy RobbieF
07:02:18 PMtert hi
07:02:20 PM_Jot_ of course youtube is saying 'nope, no picture for you' but it'll catch up as usual
07:02:22 PMoldsalt sounds great
07:02:35 PMsprintcowboy howdy all
07:02:37 PMWhiskey_Zero Hi RobbieF
07:02:42 PMTennessee_Frank agamotto, when am I NOT a Happy Guy, LOL. Now I download at an avg. of 1.3Mb/s instead of the 700Kb/s I was at.
07:02:47 PM_Jot_ hi people coming in
07:02:56 PMAndroUser Hi all
07:03:09 PMagamotto Hmmm, so Amazon's wonderphone is going to be AT&T only... perfect reason for me not to own one!
07:03:12 PMoldsalt Hi Robbief and Hillary
07:03:21 PMTennessee_Frank More then the 3 Meter they have now???
07:03:24 PM_Jot_ there is youtube
07:03:35 PMTennessee_Frank I knew RobbieF would like that one.
07:03:40 PMDave-Maydew YouTube just become live
07:04:10 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, that still seems slow
07:04:11 PMkyoshininja Hi all.
07:04:43 PMnapa_polarbear Gello all
07:04:53 PMalket nice hearing aids
07:04:55 PMagamotto kyoshininja, Have you ever considered using the nick kawaiininja?
07:04:57 PMjlim whats up guys
07:04:58 PMDave-Maydew always wondered about that hearing aid
07:05:04 PMTennessee_Frank 1.3Mb/s is actually pretty good for a 12Mb/s connection from what I've been told. It would be nice to have an actual 12Mb/s download speed though.
07:05:13 PMDave-Maydew what happens when you go past another bluetooth enabled phone
07:05:17 PMrevdjenk hey RobbieF and Hillary!
07:05:19 PMTennessee_Frank Hey kyoshininja. How ya' doing?
07:05:26 PMDave-Maydew do you hear the other conversations??
07:05:31 PMrevdjenk and _Jot_
07:05:37 PM_Jot_ so I have to go to http://geeknewscentral.com/ again?
07:05:41 PMkyoshininja agamotto: not till you mentioned it. Wonder if there are any domains....
07:06:01 PM_Jot_ the direct link to the episode is http://geeknewscentral.com/2014/06/12/gnc-955-with-robbie-ferguson-category5-tv/
07:06:03 PMMrNaturopathy GoodGuy!
07:06:12 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, I suppose. I got my DSL for 1 year free because AT&T couldn't keep me consistently at or above 2mbps on a 3mbps connection
07:06:14 PMDave-Maydew Did RobbieF say Better??
07:06:14 PMkyoshininja Hi Tennesse_Frank....just got back from Switzerland....didn't watch any tv in english
07:06:18 PMDave-Maydew or Beeeetah
07:06:22 PMgoodguy98 Hi MrNaturopathy
07:06:27 PMjlim lol
07:06:34 PMMrNaturopathy :)
07:06:35 PM_Jot_ I thought he said Butter?
07:06:55 PMagamotto Shouldn't that be beltone.ca?
07:07:05 PMkyoshininja Tennesee_Frank: Hope you are doing well.
07:07:06 PMTennessee_Frank agamotto, wow, that sounds like a great deal. Yep, out here in the Country things are a bit different in connection speed then if I lived in a city.
07:07:32 PMDave-Maydew Wow, 75yrs.... that's some going
07:07:49 PMinvinciblemutant spinning here
07:07:53 PM_Jot_ they have many sites, but http://www.beltone.com/ works for the US and Canada
07:08:02 PMjlim can we get in morse code too
07:08:04 PMMrNaturopathy If I win, Im giving my Beltone to Jot for fixing my Skype :)
07:08:07 PMTennessee_Frank Yep, doing pretty good kyoshininja. Went to Harriman to see Papa on Saturday for Father's Day. He has bone cancer and isn't doing so well.
07:08:15 PMgoodguy98 I thought Hillary was making gang signs lol
07:08:17 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, It helps that I have been a long-term DSL customer. My letter to the state's attorney office probably didn't hurt either
07:08:28 PMrevdjenk RobbieF: thanks for the update on the future new site for cat5tv! I will be sending some moola in to help... either that or a TP supply... hee hee
07:08:31 PM_Jot_ I didn't hear that MrNaturopathy
07:08:40 PMMrNaturopathy lol
07:08:48 PMalket can theese hearing aids be used as regular aids (I mean for non-impaired hearing)
07:08:50 PMgoodguy98 Can't understand sign language.. looks difficult
07:09:01 PMDave-Maydew Ah, another low powered licence free device in the Ham bands
07:09:07 PMkyoshininja Tennesee_Frank: sorry to hear that, good that you were able to see him for Father's day so.
07:09:09 PM_Jot_ revdjenk, don't forget, for money, use http://cat5.tv/c and if you want to help by getting stuff yourself selfishly, use http://shop.category5.tv to buy things
07:09:15 PMTennessee_Frank agamotto, I wonder if I need to check to see what speeds other folks are getting in my area. I know with the 3Mb/s connection I was only downloading at 700Kb/s so I'm almost twice as fast as I was.
07:09:39 PMagamotto goodguy98, Not really, just learning the differences in vocabulary. Italians have a built-in advantage
07:09:51 PMgoodguy98 true agamotto :-)
07:10:02 PMrevdjenk _Jot_: I was thinking of a TP subscription delivery... hee hee
07:10:07 PMDave-Maydew RobbieF he mentions Wireless 2.4GHz.... is it in the WiFi frequencies or outside of those frequencies?
07:10:09 PMoldsalt RobbieF, I heard there is a device like a hearingaid but it cancels out ringing in the ears. Can you ask him about that?
07:10:12 PMjlim is beltone using linux or something??
07:10:18 PMjlim i don't get it
07:10:19 PM_Jot_ Tennessee_Frank, you could try a site like speedtest, which shows results from other people too
07:10:22 PMTennessee_Frank One of my best friends in High School had a cousin that was deaf and he tried to teach me some sign language.
07:10:37 PMjlim lol
07:10:48 PMMrNaturopathy I would buy Linux but the price is 0, Zero, Free. Nada. Take that Apple!
07:10:56 PMrevdjenk tinnitus help would be wonderful!
07:11:09 PMagamotto No worse than glasses falling off
07:11:10 PMTennessee_Frank _jot_ I've found two sights on the interweb and did the test. avg. was around 3Mb/s so a lot of my download speed may be from the mirrors I use to download Distros.
07:11:11 PMrevdjenk same with kids and glasses, etc
07:11:12 PMABQTKY Say what, Old Salt? Tinnitis cancellation technology?
07:12:07 PMoldsalt I heard something about that about 2 years ago
07:12:20 PM_Jot_ Tenessee_Frank, it can be a max speed too, so it may depend on people in your area too, on what they are doing
07:12:34 PMoldsalt If it is real, I sure could use one
07:12:34 PMagamotto _Jot_, With DSL?
07:12:37 PMTennessee_Frank During my Mountain Man phase('84 to '89) I learned a lot of Indian Sign Language. Way easier then American Sign Language IMHO. The signs are a mimic of what you're trying to relay instead of abstract.
07:12:55 PMSovereign_ Tennessee_Frank have you installed Team viewer on your box
07:13:04 PM_Jot_ agamotto, yes, DSL does have a direct line to the divider, but from there it is often shared
07:13:14 PMTennessee_Frank Sovereign_, nope, don't have it installed.
07:13:22 PMagamotto _Jot_, Ahh, didn't know that
07:14:19 PM_Jot_ I don't know the technical names in English :) but here both with phones and coax tv-cables, it goes out of buildings, into streets, and then into small closet-type-things in streets or neighbourhoods, and from there is often one glassfiber line that gets shared
07:14:48 PM_Jot_ so if you have much people using up the capacity of that, because of overbooking that companies do, you get not as much speed
07:15:06 PM_Jot_ thats why they say 'up to xxxx mb'
07:15:14 PMTennessee_Frank Anyone remember the deal where the guy at Nelson Mandela's funeral was suppose to sign but was just doing odd hand movements and not really signing at all.
07:15:30 PMagamotto Hillary, I applaud your fluency with sign... you aren't stiff and formal like so many interpreters
07:15:36 PMSovereign_ fiber is a fat pipe
07:15:45 PM_Jot_ yeah, last I heard that translator claimed to have a psychotic attack, but he wasn't a translator at all
07:15:48 PMrevdjenk Tennessee_Frank: hee hee, yes, someone forgot to chech credentials!
07:15:51 PMTennessee_Frank My brother John's wife is deaf and when I met him and her for the first time last year I couldn't even tell because she reads lips.
07:15:52 PMjlim guess no terminal commands this week lol
07:16:04 PMDave-Maydew RobbieF, can you ask him if the app is accessible for blind/sight impaired users too?
07:16:21 PMTennessee_Frank revdjenk, that was crazy. He was just "signing" away and was really saying nothing at all.
07:16:36 PMagamotto Now that would be very useful!
07:16:47 PMEric1212 Great question Dave-Maydew
07:17:15 PMDave-Maydew I'm sight impaired, so got to ask
07:17:23 PMVoodoosandman Robbie is there a mic?
07:17:54 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, Myopics unite! But not so close!
07:17:55 PMjlim cool
07:18:21 PM_Jot_ if you can see it, it is too close?
07:18:22 PMjlim :/
07:18:25 PMrevdjenk Tennessee_Frank: each national language sign language is different from the other because some languages for example don't have a past/present/future feature in their language, so their signs would have a different outlook
07:18:28 PMTennessee_Frank I still have excellent hearing despite listening to my Rock and Metal on the loud side and playing along with my guitar and bass.
07:18:44 PMSovereign_ Hillary ask if they re doing any work with cochlear implants?
07:18:49 PMVoodoosandman Robbie is there a mic?
07:18:56 PMDave-Maydew agamotto who said that??
07:19:06 PMDave-Maydew sprry that was a bad joke
07:19:11 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, me, of course
07:19:16 PMrevdjenk Presbyopians unite, but why are you so fuzzy?
07:19:17 PMDave-Maydew lol
07:19:21 PMVoodoosandman Robbie is there a mic?
07:19:25 PM_Jot_ Voodoosandman, a microphone for what? it's a hearing-aid, so obviously there is some sound-enhancement-systems etc
07:19:37 PMagamotto Voodoosandman, All hearing aides have microphones
07:19:51 PMVoodoosandman To use with phone
07:19:54 PMTennessee_Frank revdjenk, I know for Indian Sign Language things are very much like they are in real life. "Indian" is rubbing the back of your hand and "White Man" is making a motion across your forehead like the brim of a hat.
07:20:02 PMagamotto revdjenk, hahahahah
07:20:13 PMDave-Maydew You mean a none 2.4Ghz phone??
07:20:33 PMjlim come on
07:20:41 PM_Jot_ Voodoosandman, it does support phonecalls: http://www.beltone.com/products/smart-remote-app.aspx
07:20:42 PMVoodoosandman To use like a jawbone
07:20:47 PMTennessee_Frank jlim, where we going?
07:21:04 PMVoodoosandman Cool thank you.
07:21:05 PMjlim anywhere but here :/
07:21:17 PMrevdjenk Tennessee_Frank: yes, but that isn't necessarily "simpler" but those signs make more sense for the Indian speaker.
07:21:19 PMTennessee_Frank jlim, LOL. No matter where you go, there ya' are.
07:21:21 PMagamotto I would imagine in the US $4000-6000.
07:21:40 PMTennessee_Frank revdjenk, I caught on very quickly to it.
07:21:40 PMDave-Maydew agamotto you have a sight impairement too?
07:21:44 PMrevdjenk Buckaroo Bonzai!! Tennessee_Frank
07:21:50 PM_Jot_ Voodoosandman, it uses some kind of bluetooth-device to pick up phonecalls and send them to the hearing-aid, but it is shaped like a remote-thingy, so really like most other of the same type of devices
07:22:18 PMTennessee_Frank revdjenk, I never saw the movie from start to finish.
07:22:18 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, Yep, near-sighted and 'dayblind'.
07:22:36 PMrevdjenk Tennessee_Frank: I can do "Jesus loves me" ... as our pre-school learns sign language
07:22:40 PMDave-Maydew I have Bilateral Optic Atrophy
07:22:51 PMrevdjenk RobbieF: ask about tinnitus
07:23:09 PMTennessee_Frank My Dad had Tinnitus from working in a factory all of his life and tried hearing aids but it only made it worse.
07:23:12 PMDave-Maydew My right eye is almost gone
07:23:36 PMTennessee_Frank revdjenk, I know the sign for Jesus is pointing at the center of each hand.
07:23:55 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, eeek. I am lucky in that regard. I am just rather near-sighted at ~20/300. The dayblindness is simply being rather sensitive to light. Bonus + excellent night vision
07:24:15 PMagamotto kyoshininja, no kidding
07:24:17 PMkyoshininja RobbieF: great question... I was just thinking about that..
07:24:24 PMDave-Maydew hahaha, my left eye is like that
07:24:34 PMDave-Maydew and I'm colour blind too
07:24:40 PM_Jot_ Hillary, people were asking if the app could be used by people who are sight-impared
07:25:17 PMkyoshininja agamotto: we all have to look toward the future protection of all medical devices. No one wants their pacemaker or other device messed with.
07:25:25 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, and colour-blind...sheesh. My father has rather severe version of that. I often joke that he got detail, and I got colour.
07:25:30 PMSovereign_ great thanks Hill
07:26:01 PMjlim anybody with a radio tuned to the transmit frequency can hear everything being picked by the within range.... unless the transmit audio is digital or encrypted
07:26:04 PMDave-Maydew ands we're still smiling agamotto
07:26:24 PMTennessee_Frank Papa couldn't hardly hear anything when I went to visit him on Saturday but everyone things it's wax build up more then anything. He's in a Nursing Home.
07:26:31 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, Well, after awhile you just have to get on with things, don't you?
07:26:38 PMjlim typos :P
07:26:46 PMoldsalt Hillary, could you ask him about a divice for tinnitis
07:26:51 PMDave-Maydew That's correct agamotto
07:27:02 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, That could be solved easily with drops
07:27:32 PMTennessee_Frank agamotto, or even some peroxide then a bulb with warm water to wash them out.
07:27:39 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, Do they keep his ear hair trimmed at least?
07:27:47 PMrevdjenk agamotto: I was dropped on my head, but still have wax in my ears!
07:27:48 PMjlim anybody with a radio tuned to the transmit frequency can hear everything being picked by the microphone within range of the transmitter.... unless the transmit audio is digital or encrypted
07:27:50 PMTennessee_Frank agamotto, not really sure.
07:28:07 PM_Jot_ so http://cat5.tv/hearing if you want to qualify for winning those devices
07:28:20 PMjlim still typos lol
07:28:21 PMgoodguy98 I get bad wax buildup Tennessee_Frank .. It takes an ear doctor to handle it properly
07:28:22 PMagamotto jlim, Many hearing aides are encrypted these days
07:28:27 PMTennessee_Frank Also, you guys remember, I was adopted so I have a Dad and Mom(people that raised me) and Papa and Momma(birth parents) just to keep things clear.
07:28:55 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, agreed
07:28:58 PMrevdjenk jlim: the beltone rep said it was bluetooth... is that interceptable?
07:29:20 PMTennessee_Frank goodguy98, I'll put a cap full of peroxide in my ears every few months then I have a bulb that I'll fill with warm water to flush them out and that keeps em' squeeky clean.
07:29:36 PMjlim revdjenk: i don't think so
07:29:43 PMagamotto revdjenk, possibly, but most bluetooth supports some kind of encryption
07:29:47 PMDave-Maydew It's just a shame the aids are only iphone
07:29:51 PMjlim awesome
07:29:54 PMTennessee_Frank agamotto, that's just the way I've come up with to keep things straight with my parents.
07:29:54 PMjlim :/
07:29:56 PMgoodguy98 I have the bulb device also.. did not handle my issue
07:30:01 PMrevdjenk you are doing wonderfully Hillary
07:30:08 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, I have selective hearing-impairment, I just don't hear what I don't want to hear :P
07:30:19 PMEric1212 Future RobbieF might need those aids!!
07:30:20 PMEric1212 :P
07:30:21 PMDave-Maydew Will email them about accessibility for the sight impaired on the software
07:30:24 PMrevdjenk _Jot_: ah, suspected that!
07:30:27 PMkyoshininja _Jot_: lol
07:30:42 PMVoodoosandman Thank you Hillary you did great.
07:30:51 PMEric1212 Well done Hillary
07:30:52 PMTennessee_Frank _jot_ I'm that way with my wife from time to time. LOL
07:30:55 PMEric1212 Yay news!
07:30:56 PMagamotto _Jot_, Sure you aren't married?
07:30:56 PMjlim hey anonymos
07:31:18 PM_Jot_ agamotto, maybe I have very selective memory-impairment too, but I definatly would say no :)
07:31:24 PM_Jot_ at least, if I have a wife, I have never seen her :)
07:31:30 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, Being smartphone-based, I wouldn't think so
07:31:34 PMrevdjenk _Jot_: hee hee
07:31:58 PMrevdjenk _Jot_ and his invisible partner
07:32:02 PMagamotto Silent Circle looks better every month
07:32:33 PM_Jot_ RobbieF, it isn't just the UK government, but other countries do it too, or don't, but get the data through their partners who do
07:32:41 PMgoodguy98 vote new officials
07:32:44 PMagamotto Congrats on your Supreme Court's upholding your rights on that!
07:32:44 PMVoodoosandman If I had these my wife could control my mind 100% of the time a little Hack Hack..
07:32:45 PMTennessee_Frank Speaking of wife, sad news, my best friend John told me his wife passed away on Friday. She was quite a bit older then he was and had Congenital Heart Failure. He's in Phoenix so I can be with him to help him though it.
07:33:11 PM_Jot_ for example, in The Netherlands, they are not allowed to listen, so they export the data on request of other governments, and then import that data again, which makes it legal according to them to listen to
07:33:13 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, China does that stuff all the time.
07:33:17 PMagamotto Tennessee_Frank, sorry to hear that
07:33:42 PMTennessee_Frank thanks agamotto, I'll pass that on to him next time I talk to him.
07:33:47 PMgoodguy98 Sorry for your friend.. one of the worse losses they can suffer
07:33:47 PMrevdjenk Tennessee_Frank: great friend you are!
07:33:52 PMkyoshininja Tennessee_Frank: Thoughts & Prayers for you and your best friend at this difficult time.
07:34:01 PMDave-Maydew How about the use of that helmet for the diagnosis of Hydrocephalus??
07:34:04 PMagamotto Hillary, Can it tell when the chicken is done?
07:34:06 PMEric1212 Same radiation you get from an airport
07:34:06 PMjlim low wattage is safe
07:34:48 PMrevdjenk 10 inches
07:34:51 PMDave-Maydew 31cm is just over 1 Foot
07:34:54 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, now if we could get it real time that'd be uber cool
07:35:05 PMTennessee_Frank 2.5cm to the inch.
07:35:08 PMEric1212 real time, yes :P
07:35:19 PMagamotto size of a decent book
07:35:28 PMTennessee_Frank I love going on Google Maps and looking around at places where I use to live.
07:35:33 PM_Jot_ they could see it if it landed on a manhole or mailbox
07:35:42 PMgoodguy98 Years ago I saw a satellite photo that showed the smoke off a cigarette
07:35:54 PMgoodguy98 It was many years ago
07:36:02 PMEric1212 Nice theoretical situation, RobbieF :P #MH370
07:36:05 PMagamotto Time for the Faraday-cage burkas for everyone!
07:36:10 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, a plane is a lot bigger then a mail box, LOL
07:36:14 PMgoodguy98 and that wasnt secret level optics
07:36:15 PMrevdjenk agamotto: hee hee
07:36:23 PMagamotto Easy- no one wants to spend the money
07:36:37 PMMrNaturopathy That does it, Im dumping my UK girl friend. Well I guess the UK Govt will tell her. They are the only ones that know. Sorry Honey! ...
07:36:37 PMrevdjenk Hillary: what's the sign for "freaked out"
07:36:43 PMVoodoosandman We should be able to access the same tech levels.
07:36:44 PMgoodguy98 some guy was complaining about ending use of the SR-71 plane
07:36:52 PMTennessee_Frank I look up addresses with Google Maps
07:36:53 PMDave-Maydew being able to zoom down to 1 foot
07:36:56 PMagamotto It is cheaper to pay off the relatives of the dead than to improve the planes
07:37:17 PMTennessee_Frank Street view is awesome. You can check out a store front and see the phone numbers and store hours.
07:37:25 PMgoodguy98 a military officer said do you really belive we made nothing better than that since the 1970's iirc
07:37:33 PMSovereign_ goodguy98 no government will allow a person to smoke now so you may never see that again
07:37:34 PMagamotto SR-71 is incredibly expensive to fly these days
07:37:43 PMgoodguy98 lol true Sovereign_
07:37:47 PM_Jot_ http://newsroom.category5.tv for the sliding-door-video
07:37:58 PMjlim th smart door
07:38:00 PMrevdjenk does it make "the noise"?
07:38:01 PMgoodguy98 They can afford the fuel :-)
07:38:02 PMjlim lol
07:38:02 PMagamotto sshs-shssh
07:38:05 PMDave-Maydew What happens if there's a naked woman sun bathing on a balcony when the photo's are taken from the satellite??
07:38:12 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, can't wait for one to malfunction and someone do a face plant into the door, LOL
07:38:16 PMjlim it is a smart door
07:38:19 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, free porn?
07:38:20 PMagamotto haahahahahahah
07:38:26 PMDave-Maydew lol
07:38:31 PMgoodguy98 Depend if the viewer is male or female lol
07:38:59 PMrevdjenk New Studio!!!
07:39:04 PMEric1212 And when the power goes out.. everyone is locked out because they're so heavy
07:39:04 PMEric1212 :P
07:39:06 PMagamotto Sorry, "Artistic nudism'
07:39:11 PMSovereign_ well the birds at Lowes waste a lot of energy
07:39:31 PMrevdjenk sign freaky Hillary
07:39:46 PMagamotto Ahh, the famous landing door-birds of Lowe's
07:40:20 PMTennessee_Frank Could call it "Belt One" .
07:40:23 PMrevdjenk woohoo
07:40:33 PMTennessee_Frank Freakin' out Dude
07:40:34 PMEric1212 Studio D!!!!
07:40:37 PMgoodguy98 Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:40:37 PMagamotto I always thought it was the combination of grey and blue that was attracting them to to sliding-glass doors
07:40:44 PMTennessee_Frank WhooooHooo.
07:40:47 PMEric1212 Wow! How much did we raise?
07:40:55 PMrevdjenk groaning family
07:41:14 PMjlim where is the studio now?
07:41:19 PM_Jot_ Eric1212, not nearly enough! That's why I keep telling, please send some money to http://cat5.tv/c or buy stuff through http://shop.category5.tv
07:41:20 PMrevdjenk basement
07:41:49 PMTennessee_Frank Nice
07:41:57 PM_Jot_ the indiegogo-campaign was at http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/studio-build-for-category5-technology-tv
07:42:12 PMrevdjenk jlim: sometimes we hear the kids walking around upstairs...
07:42:41 PM_Jot_ jilm, the studio is in RobbieF's basement
07:42:50 PMMrNaturopathy Studio D! Thats Awesome! Best Wishes Robbie. Does that mean Category5 24/7?
07:42:52 PMSovereign_ the best show was the one with the two kids
07:43:09 PMSovereign_ sorry Robbie
07:43:19 PMjlim awesome!
07:43:24 PMrevdjenk RobbieF: will now have transportation costs... hee hee
07:43:26 PMjlim :)
07:43:28 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, are you still going to put the stuff on the walls so you can do a Virtual Studio??
07:43:45 PM_Jot_ there likely will be some sort of greenscreen-area, I bet
07:44:37 PMkyoshininja RobbieF: will Studio D plan to have a couple of HP "The Machine" computers (electron compute, optical communication, ion memory, and open source/linux OS)?
07:44:40 PM_Jot_ of course there has to be money for everything :)
07:45:00 PMMrNaturopathy Robbie will the show be on live more than once a week?
07:45:16 PMTennessee_Frank Cool beans
07:45:17 PM_Jot_ Hillary, it is okay, and very good of you to be able to sit there next to him with a RobbieF-allergy
07:45:19 PMEric1212 Will there be Public access for viewers, RobbieF ?
07:45:50 PMTennessee_Frank Hilary, one word, Claritin.
07:45:53 PM_Jot_ it'll be public access for those who donated to the indiegogo campaign for sure, not sure what happens with others :)
07:46:06 PMjlim i wonder how it would effect media broadcasters outside of the united states if the fcc scraps net neautrality and isp's start charging for streaming media
07:46:17 PMrevdjenk coffeemaker idea RobbieF, Hamilton-Beach makes a combo unit which does either a full pot or K-cups or single cup loose grounds
07:46:19 PMinvinciblemutant so that RobbieF and co host can sit 2 metres apart
07:46:41 PMinvinciblemutant oat least few metres apart
07:46:46 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, maybe a longer show if nothing else??
07:46:51 PMMrNaturopathy I predict Category5 will be Bigger than TWIT by 2015,
07:47:02 PMjlim RobbieF: you been following the net neutrality issue in the states
07:47:03 PMrevdjenk yuck
07:47:04 PMjlim ?
07:47:08 PMSovereign_ Robbie just tell Eric to keep one day free for a show
07:47:11 PMrevdjenk and tp
07:47:11 PMagamotto Ewww, Folger's
07:47:18 PMDave-Maydew Caffeine Fuelled Cat5
07:47:31 PMVoodoosandman Jot I like the pay us five dollar aper problem solved special broadcasts ideas.
07:47:48 PMTennessee_Frank Nah, just do the Cold Brew method like I saw on DIY Trying. I've been doing that for a couple months now and it makes great coffee. Just heat it in the microwave.
07:47:58 PMagamotto RobbieF, Hit up homedepot.ca... they love to contribute to community stuff. I assume you would qualify
07:48:09 PMMrNaturopathy Robbie will you be selling Bricks soon?
07:48:16 PM_Jot_ Voodoosandman, I know that sounds like a great idea, but RobbieF really wants to keep the show free. But of course you're free to donate for every problem solved anyway
07:48:18 PMrevdjenk hee hee MrNaturopathy
07:48:25 PMMrNaturopathy lol
07:48:44 PMSovereign_ Just nuke it
07:48:46 PMVoodoosandman a little fund raing telethon type progams
07:48:52 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, I look forward to the show every week, I know that.
07:49:06 PMgoodguy98 Bring Carrie Webb back in when the new studio opens... show her the progress
07:49:31 PM_Jot_ Let me put the links here again: http://cat5.tv/c for direct donations, and http://shop.category5.tv for using category5 to buy stuff in various places
07:49:40 PMkyoshininja Hillary, can you say hi to my son "Jet"?
07:49:45 PMEric1212 Is Cat5 52weeks per year? When does the season end?
07:49:50 PMBobK54 can you walk there when it snows?? :)
07:49:52 PMMrNaturopathy Robbie if I donate will you be able to give Jot and Ericka a raise?
07:49:54 PM_Jot_ for example get a Roku through http://cat5.tv/roku since Category5 is on there too (see http://cat5.tv/rokuchannel )
07:50:26 PMinvinciblemutant hopefully RobbieF's hair will grow well in a better environment
07:50:27 PMagamotto Eric1212, pretty much. A couple of recorded programs each year for certain holidays/events
07:50:44 PM_Jot_ MrNaturopathy, I can't get a raise, I don't work for category5. But I'm sure the other co-presenters will get a raise, maybe even 50%, they didn't get one in a long time. Let's see, a raise of 50% from $0 makes eehmm.. well, I have to calculate that later
07:51:02 PMMrNaturopathy lol
07:51:02 PMEric1212 LOL _Jot_
07:51:12 PMagamotto BobK54, it is Canada, not Alaska... snicker
07:51:13 PMEric1212 50% raise on $0 :P
07:51:39 PMrevdjenk Have you tried HexChat to replace XChat?
07:51:48 PMMrNaturopathy what is the Tax rate on 0 Zero in Canada?
07:51:49 PMrevdjenk where's the tape RobbieF
07:51:56 PMBobK54 hey, I grew up on Long Island, it took 6" of snow to slow things down. Here in KY it takes 1/4" of snow to stop EVERYTHING.
07:51:57 PMjlim if comcast gets the fcc to scrap net neutrality robbie will not be able to afford the shake down money the isp's will be demanding of him to stream his show in the united states
07:52:05 PMTennessee_Frank LOL, LInux in 2014 isn't all command line anymore
07:52:12 PMagamotto Not yet, but I am playing with some alternatives to Xchat
07:52:17 PMDave-Maydew Linux can be used without using the command line
07:52:23 PMrevdjenk scorched 2d
07:52:25 PMDave-Maydew Linux Mint 17
07:52:35 PMrevdjenk mint17 w/cinnamon
07:52:39 PMagamotto #define_Geek
07:52:40 PMTennessee_Frank Linux totally Rocks. I added Dockey to my Manjaro GNOME install and it's very cool.
07:52:47 PMBobK54 last week I replaced my 81 year old mom's XP with PCLinuxOS. she LOVES it!!
07:52:55 PMTennessee_Frank My wife is running Point Linux 2.3 and she's far from a Geek.
07:53:31 PMTennessee_Frank Terminal makes it easy to do some things but there's still a lot you can do with a GUI in most Distros
07:53:31 PMagamotto Imagine running a Mac from the terminal...
07:53:32 PMDave-Maydew I have helped 3 60+ year old people go over to Linux
07:53:35 PMgoodguy98 I like PCLinuxOS
07:53:45 PMgoodguy98 they update software quickly
07:53:55 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, the cookies are strong with you
07:53:57 PMrevdjenk I replaced a relative's xp with Mint.... and they got the phone call from "Microsoft Malware Services." and once they mentioned that they run linux, the person hung up
07:54:10 PMBobK54 careful Dave-Madew.....I'M "60+"
07:54:12 PMagamotto heheheheh
07:54:13 PMTennessee_Frank I can install faster from the Terminal if what I want can be installed from there.
07:54:15 PM_Jot_ darn, the spammers get smart
07:54:18 PMDave-Maydew RobbieF the command line isn't sophisticated.... this is what puts people off Linux
07:54:20 PMgoodguy98 lol revdjenk .. BUSTED LYING
07:54:26 PMkyoshininja revdjenk: Ha! LOL.
07:54:38 PMjlim crackling audio
07:54:42 PMrevdjenk yep, goodguy98 and a few years earlier, they would have probably fallen for it!
07:54:49 PMgoodguy98 I know
07:54:53 PMDave-Maydew I've had to show others that it's a myth
07:55:01 PM_Jot_ Sasha will be in the studio next week so ask her then :)
07:55:13 PMgoodguy98 I like the ppl who let them blab on for ages
07:55:13 PMagamotto I just wish we could get rid of the Microsoft tax at the stores...
07:55:15 PMMrNaturopathy I tried to give a Linux Distro to my girlfriend for her Birthday, She tried to hit me over the head with a frying pan..... Just Saying...
07:55:23 PMTennessee_Frank Lots of GUI's, Notifications and stuff. Terminal is just an added benefit
07:55:31 PMgoodguy98 and act interested until they mention running Linux
07:55:39 PMgoodguy98 Waste their time
07:56:01 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, sounds like my wife, not into computers at all but she can surf the web with Firefox in Point Linux
07:56:03 PMDave-Maydew I tell everyone I help make the switch that the Terminal is like the command prompt on Windows
07:56:04 PM_Jot_ By the way, special first look at the new studio for everybody seeing this: http://play.cat5.tv/9/b
07:56:04 PMrevdjenk MrNaturopathy: that's because you are cheap, not because of linux
07:56:10 PMgoodguy98 At least she cooks MrNaturopathy
07:56:11 PMDave-Maydew but with more power
07:56:31 PMTennessee_Frank Yah, Manjaro
07:56:37 PMMrNaturopathy I think my GF is in the Chat Room. Can someone ban her...lol
07:56:38 PMagamotto Less overhead and updating at least
07:56:40 PMkyoshininja Manjaro!
07:56:52 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, I'm running my Manjaro install in Testing mode.
07:57:08 PMrevdjenk Manjaro might be able to get me away from Mint, maybe...
07:57:08 PMTennessee_Frank It's uber simple to move from Stable to Testing to Unstable.
07:57:29 PMSovereign_ If the program is not in the repository can it be installed from command line
07:57:30 PMMrNaturopathy Honey if your in here next year your getting Linux Puppy a nice light weight Distro. Be Nice...
07:57:31 PMrevdjenk but I'm really loving Mint17
07:57:34 PMTennessee_Frank Arch is nice but hard to install, Manjaro gives me the "Arch Power" without the hassle.
07:57:45 PMgoodguy98 I like Mint the best so far... gotta give Manjaro a try
07:57:57 PMTennessee_Frank Arch folks will tell ya' "RTFM".
07:58:08 PMjlim arch community is like that
07:58:22 PMkyoshininja goodguy98: yes, you might really like it (Manjaro)
07:58:22 PMSovereign_ RTFM?
07:58:25 PMTennessee_Frank People on the Manjaro Forum are all pretty decent and help quite a bit.
07:58:29 PMjlim all they say is read the wiki lol
07:58:36 PMTennessee_Frank Read the F'n Manual
07:58:36 PMrevdjenk goodguy98: it is the rolling release aspect which would interest me... but this last install of Mint17 over 16 took me a whole 15 minutes and went without a hitch...
07:58:55 PMSovereign_ lol
07:58:59 PMBobK54 Read The FINE Manual
07:59:15 PMTennessee_Frank LOL, "fine". ok, we'll go with that then
07:59:29 PMtert and nighty night folks
07:59:30 PMgoodguy98 I usually install Crossover Linux so just keeping the home folder wasnt enough
07:59:38 PMSovereign_ the wiki was written for somewhat advanced users
07:59:40 PMTennessee_Frank RobbieF, show is over way to fast. :'(
07:59:53 PMrevdjenk I'm waving
07:59:57 PMTennessee_Frank I could sit here and watch the show and chat with ya'll for hours.
08:00:03 PMRobbieF :)
08:00:09 PMWhiskey_Zero RobbieF & Hillary - thank you for a super show. Great job guys! See you next Tuesday night.
08:00:17 PMDave-Maydew Great show again
08:00:17 PMrevdjenk freaking Hillary!
08:00:18 PM_Jot_ I've been looking at that new studio video a lot waiting for the show :)
08:00:19 PMBobK54 wow, 8:00EDT already?
08:00:23 PMRobbieF thank you everyone!
08:00:23 PMrats Great Show - Thank You
08:00:26 PMDave-Maydew It's 1am here
08:00:26 PMjlim RobbieF: you following the net neutrality issue in the states??
08:00:28 PMalket good episode :)
08:00:29 PMgoodguy98 Dont let Christa hear that about Android dying or she will get us
08:00:35 PMrevdjenk super show!
08:00:42 PMTennessee_Frank Thanks for another great show you guys. See ya'll next week. Same Linux time, same Linux channel.
08:00:54 PMkyoshininja Thanks RobbieF and Hillary: great show....
08:00:56 PMrevdjenk time for dinner....
08:00:56 PMgoodguy98 Night Tennessee_Frank
08:01:02 PMDave-Maydew I better shoot, must be up early in the morning
08:01:05 PMTennessee_Frank Night everyone.
08:01:07 PMgoodguy98 see you revdjenk
08:01:08 PMrevdjenk see ya all next week!
08:01:08 PM_Jot_ Hillary, the signing looked very professional, and I think I understood a little bit of it, sometimes, so I guess good job?
08:01:16 PMBobK54 good info! I learned someting/confirmed something I wasnt sure of, hearing loss is frequency dependent. My mother in law cannot hear a word my wife says but hears everyting I say.
08:01:20 PMEric1212 Great show RobbieF and Hillary, as always
08:01:22 PMEric1212 Cheers!
08:01:23 PMWhiskey_Zero Good night Dave
08:01:30 PMSovereign_ jlim Obama did an end around on that issue
08:01:33 PMRobbieF that's really interesting BobK54
08:01:37 PMDave-Maydew Goodnight all, I'll be around all week, on Twitter and G+
08:01:44 PMRobbieF thanks everyone for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed the show.
08:01:44 PMBobK54 night all !
08:01:45 PMgoodguy98 Maybe she doesnt want to hear lol
08:01:48 PMjlim Sovereign_: he did a what?
08:01:53 PM_Jot_ night Dave-Maydew and BobK54
08:01:57 PMagamotto BobK54, most hearing-impaired do fine with lower-register voices
08:01:58 PMMrNaturopathy Great Show Robbie, Enjoy your evening, Be Well....
08:02:04 PMBobK54 goodguy- that IS part of the equation!!!!
08:02:07 PMDave-Maydew Night agamotto
08:02:10 PMgoodguy98 Wives have tuned husbands out for years
08:02:22 PMsprintcowboy great show
08:02:29 PMBobK54 selective hearing, thats MY excuse
08:02:34 PMagamotto Dave-Maydew, enjoy your slumber
08:02:36 PMSovereign_ they could never get something like that through congress
08:02:36 PMsprintcowboy bye all
08:02:43 PMBobK54 night!
08:02:45 PMgoodguy98 I have an interesting question
08:02:47 PMDave-Maydew I'll try :-)
08:02:48 PMkyoshininja bye sprint cowboy
08:02:54 PMjlim Sovereign_: more info pls
08:02:56 PMagamotto goodguy98, yes?
08:03:25 PMgoodguy98 I updated Ubuntu for my wife and she was annoyed because her Candy Crush game stopped working
08:03:45 PMalket Hillary: that was impressing
08:03:47 PMagamotto Under WINE?
08:03:54 PMDave-Maydew does it run on Webplayer??
08:04:01 PMDave-Maydew sorry had to ask before I go
08:04:01 PMgoodguy98 Luckily I rebooted to the prior kernel and it worked for some odd reason
08:04:13 PMgoodguy98 It is a we based game
08:04:22 PMSovereign_ jlim the FCC at five guys that just can make it so with no oversight
08:04:28 PMagamotto goodguy98, probably chalked up to a diff in the javascript version?
08:04:45 PMDave-Maydew Mmmmm, I run Pipelight for some websites and games here
08:04:45 PMgoodguy98 If it was any other piece of software that was updated, is there any way to back it off?
08:05:06 PMgoodguy98 Other than running backups each time before applying updates?
08:05:14 PMDave-Maydew and they've incorporated Webplayer and a few others into it now
08:05:24 PMagamotto Not sure, but I bet regressing javascript back a version or two would be it
08:05:30 PMgoodguy98 I wouldnt expect javascript in the kernel
08:05:50 PMagamotto Not itself, no. Modules though...
08:05:53 PMgoodguy98 It updated a new kernel plus other software
08:06:08 PMgoodguy98 booting the prior kernel made it work
08:06:09 PMDave-Maydew that's true
08:06:18 PMagamotto If the version requested isn't a match for what is expected...
08:06:25 PMgoodguy98 maybe
08:06:31 PMDave-Maydew but regressing to an older kernel boots the older modules too
08:06:44 PMgoodguy98 She wasnt a happy wife for awhile until I got lucky
08:06:59 PMagamotto It is just a thought. I have seen several web games 'break' due to javascript conflicts
08:07:18 PMDave-Maydew then that's down to the dev's to fix
08:07:21 PMgoodguy98 I created her a CD to backup, but she leaves that chore to me
08:07:28 PMjonathono goodguy98, Synaptic will let you lock a version on a package
08:07:45 PMgoodguy98 I know.. but it was already done
08:07:56 PMagamotto Yes, so many can't be bothered to do maintenance... it makes you wonder how they are able to keep driving a car...
08:08:02 PMDave-Maydew ah
08:08:10 PMDave-Maydew anyway, I better go
08:08:14 PMDave-Maydew goodnight all
08:08:21 PMgoodguy98 Lets say a new OpenSSL was installed.. that is the only version in the repos isnt it?
08:08:25 PMkyoshininja night Dave-Maydew
08:08:40 PMagamotto I will be going as well... Baby is demanding some belly-rub time
08:08:51 PMgoodguy98 awwww
08:08:53 PMkyoshininja Cya agamotto
08:09:02 PMagamotto goodguy98, possibly, but I doubt it
08:09:05 PMgoodguy98 night agamotto
08:09:41 PMgoodguy98 It seems if an update fails, you are in trouble until a newer version is available or you have a backup
08:10:18 PMgoodguy98 I am having a problem with Chromium on MakuluLinux
08:10:34 PMgoodguy98 it wont start after last set of updates
08:10:56 PMgoodguy98 I have a recent backup if I cared to use it
08:11:21 PMgoodguy98 But I will just use Iceweasel for a few days
08:11:46 PMgoodguy98 I always install two browsers
08:12:16 PMinvinciblemutant sigh...virtually missed the show today due to poor network performance
08:12:18 PMgoodguy98 That distro comes with Chromium as its browser
08:12:24 PM_Jot_ I'll just use internet explorer on my XP, that works fine, right?
08:12:53 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: get virus for free on ie
08:13:01 PM_Jot_ youtube started late too today so everybody missed the intro :)
08:13:01 PMjonathono goodguy98, if you knew exactly which package was updated and broke the game you could dpkg -r package and download the correct deb file and dpkg install it.
08:13:05 PMgoodguy98 I have numerous Linux distros installed.. I just meant that one has a problem
08:13:18 PMinvinciblemutant _Jot_: my network sucks here
08:13:26 PMgoodguy98 Not sure which one
08:13:35 PMinvinciblemutant i am on 3G network
08:13:36 PMgoodguy98 Probably Chromium
08:13:42 PMgoodguy98 brbias
08:13:48 PM_Jot_ invinciblemutant, thats what the downloadable files are for, and the small mp4 version is really very tiny
08:14:32 PMinvinciblemutant others are not downloadable?
08:14:55 PM_Jot_ of course, but I'm thinking about your bandwith-usage as well :)
08:15:08 PM_Jot_ they aren't downloadable yet though, first they have to be converted
08:16:00 PMinvinciblemutant converted
08:16:04 PMinvinciblemutant to?
08:16:37 PM_Jot_ they get transcoded from the original recording to the various fileformats, like the mp4-qualities and webm and such
08:17:14 PMinvinciblemutant that is nothing to do with my network
08:17:29 PM_Jot_ no, it doesn't, but you can only download something after it exists
08:17:58 PM_Jot_ right now RobbieF only has the original recording of tonight, and not the downloadable files yet :)
08:21:52 PMinvinciblemutant i said i missed it because my network sucks
08:21:57 PMinvinciblemutant :)
08:22:01 PMinvinciblemutant i think you have got me wrong
08:22:26 PM_Jot_ yes, so if you could download the episode, then your network wouldn't matter much after you got the file
08:22:45 PM_Jot_ cause then you can play it and watch it without requiring the connection
08:23:12 PMinvinciblemutant its performance is now back
08:23:18 PM_Jot_ great!
08:23:42 PM_Jot_ maybe too many people tried to watch and caused issues :P
08:25:45 PMkyoshininja night everyone...
08:25:54 PM_Jot_ good night kyoshininja
08:25:58 PMGoodGuy night kyoshininja
08:26:04 PMGoodGuy night all
08:32:07 PMinvinciblemutant download the android-x86 will take approx 19 hours
08:32:25 PMRobbieF Hoo boy!
08:32:33 PM_Jot_ wow, I can't wait that long
08:34:27 PMinvinciblemutant the speed is fluctuating
08:34:30 PMinvinciblemutant sigh...
08:35:15 PM_Jot_ Did you ask Mr. Scott?
08:40:01 PMinvinciblemutant ? mr scott?
08:40:11 PM_Jot_ yes, Montgomery Scott of the Enterprise
08:40:20 PM_Jot_ if things are fluctuating, he's the man to go to
08:41:37 PMinvinciblemutant :)
08:43:10 PMRobbieF and the go-to guy!
08:43:12 PMRobbieF :)
08:43:47 PM_Jot_ I figured you just couldn't do the job, cause you couldn't transport to the right location so soon, sorry RobbieF
08:44:32 PMinvinciblemutant he going away from "homemade" to "enterprise"
08:47:15 PMalket I watched show for 4 years and never knew that Hillary had the hearing aid
08:47:48 PM_Jot_ I've been looking at pictures to see if I could see it, and I'm not convinced yet it wasn't just for this show as a demonstration
08:48:10 PM_Jot_ at the same time, I figure it can be something personal so I don't want to ask her :)
08:48:20 PMalket yes
08:48:31 PMalket I wanted to ask why she learned the sign language
08:49:00 PMRobbieF alket, she was wearing the hearing aid only for the demonstration.
08:49:16 PMRobbieF Sorry, I suppose that wasn't clear.
08:49:22 PMRobbieF Not intentional :)
08:49:29 PMRobbieF The purpose was to show how discreet they are
08:49:48 PMalket ah ok then
08:50:23 PM_Jot_ I think she has a deaf relative or friend, and that is why she got involved with it. Or just from wanting to help people
08:54:25 PMrats I was very impressed Hilary could sign - that was my first reason to get a computer - to learn sign
08:54:54 PM_Jot_ I know she's been doing it for quite some time: http://www.category5.tv/bios/hillary-rumball.php
08:56:08 PMrats _Jot_: It is a handy thing to know
08:56:30 PM_Jot_ I think being able to communicate is always a good thing
08:56:36 PM_Jot_ unfortunatly not everybody appreciates it
08:56:42 PMrats right
08:57:22 PMrats that is one of the big advantages of chat
08:58:27 PM_Jot_ oh, I found the super-secret group that is mentioned in her bio :)
09:01:49 PMrats rats: Signing Out All - Thanks for The Show
09:01:56 PM_Jot_ have a nice time rats
09:02:14 PMrats TY GN

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Whiskey_Zero
_Jot_
agamotto
alket
goodguy98
invinciblemutant
jlim
jonathono
kyoshininja
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oldsalt
rats
revdjenk
sprintcowboy
tert