Chat Logs for Episode 435 — #Category5 on /


With 71 Posts:GoodGuy98
With 67 Posts:Dooley_da_Vulcan
With 44 Posts:Garbee
With 39 Posts:NateUK
With 38 Posts:MangleFox70

Chat Logs:

06:58:18 PMlyndon *** Is an older one-hundred dollar bill worth more than a newer one? ***
06:58:39 PMMangleFox70 i dunno
06:58:46 PMMangleFox70 hm
06:59:00 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Good evening alpec, Dennis_Kelly, lyndon, NateUK, Sparklyballs, Whiskey_zero and the rest of the Category5 Peeples
06:59:10 PMMangleFox70 i think a new one because fresh, new material
06:59:16 PMWhiskey_Zero Hi Dooley_da_Vulcan!
06:59:26 PMlyndon Hey guy
06:59:29 PMMangleFox70 lyndon
06:59:37 PMlyndon try again MangleFox
06:59:45 PMSparklyballs certain older notes in this country are worth more than face value
06:59:45 PMMangleFox70 old one..?
06:59:49 PMDooley_da_Vulcan if you have the right year old one it would definitely be worth more. just have to find one of those
06:59:52 PMDennis_Kelley what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
07:00:02 PMMangleFox70 how would I know that?
07:00:14 PMDooley_da_Vulcan other than that a 100 is worth about what 75
07:00:15 PMDennis_Kelley some people will
07:00:25 PMlyndon **Of course it is. A $100 bill is worth more than a $1 bill**
07:00:33 PMNateUK good evening Dooley_da_Vulcan
07:00:41 PMMangleFox70 1$ bill?
07:00:43 PMlyndon =D
07:00:57 PMlyndon yup
07:01:00 PMSparklyballs word tricks lyndon
07:01:05 PMw00t Hey!! first time here in chat, first time catching a live show!
07:01:06 PMDennis_Kelley ShellyD Hello
07:01:10 PMMangleFox70 1$ bill!?
07:01:14 PMlyndon mwaa ha haha!
07:01:32 PMw00tw00t I haven't watched in awhile, been busy, but I love the show!
07:01:42 PMShellyD !
07:01:46 PMShellyD glad you guys are here
07:01:49 PMlyndon Us too
07:01:55 PMMangleFox70 no fair. I forgot u.s.a has 1$ bills
07:02:03 PMDennis_Kelley that MangleFox70 is a tough chatroom mediator!
07:02:18 PMMangleFox70 ^^^
07:02:23 PMDennis_Kelley MangleFox70 we do
07:02:36 PMw00tw00t I miss Erica
07:02:38 PMw00tw00t on the show
07:02:39 PMMangleFox70 :(
07:02:51 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Hiya RobbieF & ShellyD
07:02:54 PMMangleFox70 Erica? Please tell me who is that?
07:02:59 PMlyndon what? Canada doesnt have $1 bills??
07:03:01 PMw00tw00t lalonde?
07:03:04 PMMangleFox70 nope
07:03:11 PMMangleFox70 not anymore
07:03:20 PMlyndon wow
07:03:33 PMlyndon so do you have $2 bills?
07:03:54 PMSparklyballs no £1 notes in this country
07:03:55 PMw00tw00t Red Green show :D
07:03:57 PMMangleFox70 →the answer is...... no
07:04:23 PMDooley_da_Vulcan My son who has worked in IT for the US army for 12 years was just telling me this morning he found out in reading up on linux servers how you don't have to do a reboot with linux when installing software.
07:04:29 PMMangleFox70 We don't have £ either
07:04:32 PMlyndon remember, if the women dont find you hansom...
07:04:33 PMDennis_Kelley MangleFox70 how is your mom doing?
07:04:43 PMMangleFox70 good
07:04:50 PMDennis_Kelley cool
07:05:03 PMw00tw00t I got a new 3D printer recently, I love it! You all should do some 3d printing stuff on the show
07:05:11 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy98 hello
07:05:12 PMMangleFox70 you still on minetest?
07:05:15 PMMangleFox70 dk
07:05:23 PMlyndon they should at least find you handy
07:05:31 PMDennis_Kelley MangleFox70 no
07:05:33 PMGoodGuy98 hello Dennis_Kelley
07:05:36 PMMangleFox70 ok
07:05:45 PMw00tw00t duct tape fixes all
07:05:49 PMMangleFox70 I may be able to go on after the show
07:05:59 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I read up on 3d printers that you have some plastic parts that get worn that you can just print new as they get worn.
07:06:07 PMlyndon handy mans secret weapon!
07:06:07 PMDennis_Kelley me to MangleFox70
07:06:12 PMMangleFox70 even sun roofes in the rain w00tw00t
07:06:24 PMw00tw00t yup, it's great! you can even print a 3d printer, multiple parts, and then buy a few pieces you need, motors, bed, etc.
07:06:25 PMlyndon Love the Red Green show
07:06:28 PMMangleFox70 open sun roofs*
07:07:09 PMMangleFox70 ok riddle coming up, expect the intense-ness
07:08:06 PMMangleFox70 ***A robot climbs high. He is now in space. How is this possible*** P.S Dumb question... :(
07:08:40 PMDooley_da_Vulcan he was in space to begin with
07:08:49 PMWhiskey_Zero He is on the moon
07:08:51 PMMangleFox70 IK thats why its dumb
07:08:57 PMMangleFox70 ^^^
07:08:58 PMDennis_Kelley MangleFox70 he is on the ISS
07:09:04 PMMangleFox70 ...
07:12:46 PMMangleFox70 :D
07:12:57 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy98 how are you?
07:12:58 PMWhiskey_Zero Hi Robbie!
07:13:10 PMw00tw00t Question, will you guys ever cover 3D printing? do you do any printing?
07:13:16 PMDooley_da_Vulcan what was the web address again
07:13:26 PMGoodGuy98 brb
07:13:44 PMDennis_Kelley
07:14:08 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Thank You Dennis_Kelly
07:14:26 PMMangleFox70 https//
07:14:36 PMMangleFox70
07:14:56 PMDennis_Kelley np Dooley_da_Vulcan
07:15:14 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I will DL it and set up a VM and give it a shot. I wonder if it is easier to find and install software packages than in Point Linux which I really love with Compiz
07:15:36 PMalbertr Hi all
07:15:45 PMMangleFox70 hi albertr
07:15:48 PMlyndon i miss Compiz cube
07:15:54 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I have to see what version of an application matches up with PL and it does not seem universal
07:15:55 PMDennis_Kelley albertr hello
07:16:05 PMDooley_da_Vulcan lyndon what Distro do you use
07:16:44 PMlyndon Mint 17
07:16:54 PMDennis_Kelley Dooley_da_Vulcan what Distro do you use?
07:17:03 PMlyndon and ubuntu 14
07:17:14 PMDennis_Kelley i use mint 17 also!
07:17:19 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Point Linux 2.3.2 and the full Compiz works
07:17:39 PMDooley_da_Vulcan that is why I have had issues with application repositories
07:17:48 PMalbertr my current is Ubuntu 16.04
07:17:52 PMMangleFox70 #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 #10
07:18:03 PMlyndon i'll have to put point on a a usb drive and try that out
07:18:03 PMSparklyballs i'm a linux server user only...
07:18:39 PMlyndon wow, I'm behind the times with ubuntu!
07:18:53 PMShellyD he will mention the WEBADDRESS soon
07:18:54 PMGoodGuy98 RobbieF, - ShellyD - Is there a LTS version of Zorin?
07:18:54 PMNateUK does it support arm ? raspberry pi 2 etc etc
07:19:12 PMDennis_Kelley good question NateUK
07:20:08 PMDooley_da_Vulcan the new version 3.x won't let you use the full ir any compiz that is why I have the older version
07:20:35 PMalbertr
07:21:30 PMDennis_Kelley
07:21:52 PMGoodGuy98 RobbieF, Thank you.. I prefer LTS versions...are some features backported?
07:22:03 PMNateUK RobbieF: ShellyD does it support arm ? raspberry pi 2 etc etc
07:22:25 PMDooley_da_Vulcan @ShellyD do the mirror sites have faster download rates?
07:22:56 PMw00tw00t Unrelated Topic Question, But will you guys ever cover 3D printing? do you do any printing at home? If not, get into it, it's so much fun, 3D printing is blowing up and now's the time to get into it and learn
07:23:37 PMGoodGuy98 w00tw00t - There did a show on that a few weeks (months) ago
07:24:09 PMSoundPro69 RobbieF, is there a Kodi add-on to watch you live?
07:24:17 PMNateUK yes SoundPro69
07:24:20 PMw00tw00t I haven't watched in awhile, been a little busy, I did look at some old eps yesterday, but didn't happen to see it, good to hear it. 3D printing rocks
07:24:43 PMNateUK it has the back categlog as well SoundPro69 but you can watch live on it as well
07:24:58 PMDennis_Kelley w00tw00t - checkout
07:25:08 PMSoundPro69 What's it called? How do I find it?
07:25:13 PMSparklyballs is that canadian version of lilt he's drinking ?
07:25:15 PMw00tw00t forgive me, I missed it, I normally watch all the time, but i'm a fan! :D
07:25:29 PMNateUK its ok ShellyD I will sit on my hand RobbieF is picking on me for last weeks Dayta(data) lol
07:25:50 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF I posted a link to that episode!
07:25:51 PMw00tw00t USA here! first time in chat though
07:26:05 PMGoodGuy98 Welcome w00tw00t
07:26:37 PMNateUK SoundPro69 you can go to and follow the instructions
07:26:50 PMNateUK very straight forward SoundPro69
07:26:56 PMDooley_da_Vulcan on sourceforge, how do you download from alternate mirrors once it is selected?
07:26:59 PMWhiskey_Zero Do you want us to Roku view also?
07:27:04 PMw00tw00t That is exactly what the television industry faces, they don't calculate the numbers of people recording with their DVR into actual viewers and shows get rated low.
07:27:07 PMSoundPro69 Cool, thanks NateUK!
07:27:14 PMNateUK your most welcome SoundPro69
07:27:35 PMalbertr subscribe to -
07:27:41 PMw00tw00t Is there a way through the ROKU app, for you to stream the youtube video through the ROKU app, instead of how you are doing it now through ROKU?
07:27:55 PMalpeck RobbieF: what if you a network such a Revision3?
07:28:02 PMalpeck ^join
07:28:04 PMWhiskey_Zero Thanks Robbie, will do
07:28:12 PMSoundPro69 WOW 1080P!! Congrats RobbieF!!
07:28:17 PMNateUK so like all the things on youtube hahaha
07:28:23 PMw00tw00t Because I do everything on ROKU when I can, so my viewing numbers havent' counted for you
07:28:25 PMGoodGuy98 RobbieF - do we need to rewatch the whole episode to give you the credit?
07:28:27 PMSparklyballs 480 on kodi :(
07:28:45 PMNateUK not my fault on that Sparklyballs lol
07:28:49 PMDooley_da_Vulcan so your screen casting will look better. heck, we can go to youtube and use the youtube-dl and dl each episode and create our own libraries, along with the thumbs up?
07:28:51 PMlyndon hey 480 isnt bad
07:29:02 PMNateUK thats the same stream from roku
07:29:16 PMlyndon especially on small screens
07:29:22 PMlyndon right
07:29:43 PMDooley_da_Vulcan 480p should look as good as 720i shouldnt it?
07:30:13 PMlyndon eh..
07:30:25 PMGoodGuy98 I was thinking about that idea also Dooley_da_Vulcan .. Was going to suggest he point his download links to Youtube... but it is against their user agreement iirc
07:30:33 PMSparklyballs hey Artyom, how is ireland
07:30:51 PMlyndon depends on your tv/ monitor
07:31:05 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Just so everybody knows the zorin beta only downloads at about 180-250k dl rate
07:31:08 PMw00tw00t alot of hard work goes into your show!
07:31:15 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I am sorry
07:31:17 PMDooley_da_Vulcan lol
07:31:43 PMDooley_da_Vulcan that is MS watching you all
07:31:55 PMGoodGuy98 Did you try a D/L accelerator Dooley_da_Vulcan
07:32:01 PMNateUK did RobbieFjust swear there saying that W word lol
07:32:12 PMWhiskey_Zero Haven't noticed any pops here
07:32:14 PMDooley_da_Vulcan it isnt on my end at all, I have a 225 dl rate
07:32:21 PMGoodGuy98 Downthem All in FireFox is one example
07:32:57 PMjwmp No pops here either, but there is a strange phase-like echo on some speech.
07:33:01 PMDooley_da_Vulcan on sorgeforce I can see where to choose a different mirror but do not see where to activate the alternate download
07:33:02 PMGoodGuy98 D/L accel open multiple connections to speed it up
07:33:26 PMSparklyballs i hate folders on my desktop
07:33:41 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I have had dl rates on some packages at 17mb rates
07:33:49 PMGoodGuy98 I use a commercial one called FlareGet
07:33:55 PMw00tw00t 70" :D
07:34:38 PMDooley_da_Vulcan the nearest to me is in quabec
07:34:57 PMGoodGuy98 If you are on Firefox, try FlashGot and DownThem All
07:35:01 PMArtyom Hi Sparklyballs Ireland is terrific! Great scenery, great people, a really nice place to live
07:35:12 PMArtyom or visit
07:35:16 PMGoodGuy98 Tell FlashGot to use DownThem All
07:35:28 PMDooley_da_Vulcan how will that increase my dl rate, just asking goodguy?
07:35:30 PMSparklyballs it's one of my fave places to visit, i'm just over the water near liverpool.
07:36:16 PMGoodGuy98 It opens multiple connections.. each piece of the file gets it's own connection
07:36:27 PMGoodGuy98 It helps in most cases
07:36:37 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I wonder if they offer it via torrent
07:36:42 PMGoodGuy98 Sometimes its way faster
07:37:13 PMGoodGuy98 It is similar to torrents.. minus sharing with others part of torrents
07:37:15 PMSparklyballs Dooley_da_Vulcan: , Artyom himself is in the chat window
07:38:58 PMDooley_da_Vulcan so you can actually configure your tools as you want to have them combining things you use together, together
07:39:31 PMArtyom Dooley_da_Vulcan The Zorin OS 11 Beta is downloadable from Sourceforge, so you can select another download mirror for faster download speeds. We don't have a torrent of the Beta just yet
07:39:36 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Goodguy98, which tool do you offer
07:40:07 PMNateUK like single window for gimp
07:40:07 PMGoodGuy98 I am not offering it... Its free Firefox addons
07:40:35 PMGoodGuy98 I am using FlareGet.. getting 500+ KB/s downloading Zoin 10
07:40:45 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I meant suggest
07:41:05 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I dont know why my fingers typed
07:41:19 PMGoodGuy98 Those Firefox ones are free.. I use FlareGet, but it is payware
07:41:33 PMSparklyballs i prefer single window mode
07:41:49 PMNateUK makes it tidy to work in
07:41:57 PMGoodGuy98 It looks similar to a Windows one I use, so I bought it awhiel back
07:42:03 PMSparklyballs or face the other way and work with your hands behind your back ShellyD
07:42:58 PMGoodGuy98 I cancelled it so I wouldnt waste bandwidth
07:43:08 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I have to restart firefox to use a new plugin.... not
07:43:22 PMGoodGuy98 Dont forget we are streaming live video, so it will slow us down
07:44:00 PMGoodGuy98 I tried opening a new Firefox and it worked
07:44:15 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Thanks, well my ISP just bumped my service from 150 Mb to 200 Mb for the same price and I test out at 225 ~
07:44:23 PMDooley_da_Vulcan ah, ok
07:44:43 PMw00tw00t <3
07:44:50 PMw00tw00t You
07:46:36 PMw00tw00t mIRC ;)
07:46:50 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I am trying a new instance of FF
07:46:54 PMalbertr
07:47:10 PMGoodGuy98 Do you run mIRC under WINE or running Windows w00tw00t
07:47:36 PMw00tw00t windoze on this comp
07:47:59 PMSparklyballs i use limechat on os x
07:48:02 PMGoodGuy98 I used it under WINE a few years ago and had a few annoyances
07:48:38 PMGuest_9321 did you review Zorin today
07:48:57 PMGoodGuy98 Now I use CrossOver Linux, but havent tried mIRC in awhile.. I switched to HexChat.. works on Windows and Linux
07:49:01 PMw00tw00t Pi is great!
07:49:01 PMalbertr thanks for the show
07:49:08 PMRobbieF thanks everyone!!!
07:49:17 PMGarbee RobbieF: Short show or did it start early?
07:49:18 PMSoundPro69 Good night
07:49:26 PMNateUK I felt Textual on Mac was a better choice but do like quassel with quassel-core in docker
07:49:26 PMGoodGuy98 They chatted with one of the Zorin creators
07:49:32 PMWhiskey_Zero Good night Robbie and Shelly, thanks for an interesting program!
07:49:33 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Thanks @RobbieF and @ShellyD Great and FAST and seemingly short show. minus the news.. I get it
07:49:38 PMRobbieF pre-recorded the news Garbee so had to end early to add that in
07:49:45 PMw00tw00t remember to watch on youtube so they get their views!
07:49:47 PMGarbee ah ok.
07:49:48 PMRobbieF thank you everyone!!
07:49:55 PMGarbee Sorry, just slightly confused.
07:49:55 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Will do
07:49:58 PMSparklyballs NateUK: have you checked out the linuxserver quassel core docker ?
07:49:58 PMGarbee Just joined, expected more air time.
07:49:59 PMw00tw00t stay warm evreybody
07:50:04 PMABQTKY Thanks, Artyom...and Robbie and Shelly!!
07:50:15 PMNateUK great show as always RobbieF and ShellyD.. and Artyom
07:50:19 PMalpeck thanks RobbieF for another great show
07:50:21 PMMangleFox70 back, what did I miss?
07:50:24 PMw00tw00t see u all next time
07:50:27 PMSparklyballs i use our znc docker though..
07:50:29 PMShellyD Artyom was great to have on the show!
07:50:30 PMMangleFox70 cya
07:50:35 PMWhiskey_Zero Good night everyone, see y'all next week.
07:50:48 PMArtyom Thanks Robbie and Shelly! It was a pleasure talking with you on the show
07:50:49 PMDooley_da_Vulcan @ Robbie didn't you say before that the new Point Linux 3.x would not run Compiz
07:50:56 PMRobbieF correct
07:51:07 PMRobbieF that is why I held back the studio system to Zorin OS 2
07:51:08 PMlyndon_ why did the show end early ?... my internet is laggy
07:51:11 PMRobbieF but now we can do Zorin OS
07:51:12 PMMangleFox70 dk are you going back to Minetest?
07:51:14 PMRobbieF thank you Artyom.
07:51:21 PMDooley_da_Vulcan is that the distro you still use? looks like mine
07:51:25 PMDooley_da_Vulcan 2.3.2
07:51:26 PMRobbieF Lyndon_ we did end early because I pre-recorded the news and will edit it in.
07:51:31 PMRobbieF yes Dooley
07:51:35 PMNateUK no i create my own docker with quassel core .. I use docker-py with pyqt so i have a full gui controlling everything docker which is fun Sparklyballs
07:51:35 PMShellyD
07:51:37 PMlyndon_ ohhh
07:51:38 PMlyndon_ ok
07:51:45 PMRobbieF But we might see Zorin OS 11 on here when it goes stable :)
07:51:52 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Thank you sir, I find PL easier than ubuntu for some reason
07:52:03 PMSoundPro69 RobbieF I was trying to install the Category5 video add-on in Kodi (on the Raspberry-Pi)
07:52:11 PMMangleFox70 going onto minetest,
07:52:19 PMSoundPro69 I don't have RaspBian, just Kodi
07:52:19 PMMangleFox70 t/quit Minetest time
07:52:24 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Might check out 10.x just to see what it looks like, I will check it out via VM
07:53:01 PMDooley_da_Vulcan VM makes distro testing so much easier
07:53:23 PMSoundPro69 So I am supposed to add a video source and then go to install from ZIP, but when I add the address:, I can't find the zip to install in Kodi...
07:53:31 PMNateUK SoundPro69 you need to download the zip file from github ... copy it to the raspberry ... then go into the kodi settings and install from zip and this will install it into your video addons
07:53:54 PMSparklyballs for the dockers i use from day to day NateUK, i use unraid which has a fairly decent docker management setup.
07:54:04 PMNateUK SoundPro69:
07:54:12 PMSoundPro69 Oh, OK. Side load only... Will do. Thanks!
07:54:16 PMSparklyballs i build on ubuntu VM with jenkins though.
07:55:32 PMNateUK because i use digtial ocean for all my clients .. and the fact you got me into docker lol I have rolled it out in a business sense... so i needed something in front of me as well as my collegues that was quick and to the point ... Sparklyballs ... ie installing django with nginx blah blah .. saves a heap of time
07:56:07 PMNateUK it took me a while to get gui correct to what we needed but most of the bugs are deing the death lol
07:56:45 PMSparklyballs i may have to check that out NateUK because we get a lot of command liners using our dockers
07:57:38 PMSparklyballs if you get a chance , drop by
07:58:11 PMNateUK docker-py and pyqt and qt designer ... those are what i used to create the app in python ... also one line command in the docker and using bgtunnel to make sure no ports are open to the wonderful internet ...
07:58:17 PMGuest_9321 Zorin 11 is the next release due in April?
07:58:24 PMDooley_da_Vulcan is there any linux applications that require a reboot to run?
07:59:18 PMNateUK no Dooley_da_Vulcan not really but on occiasion it is needed maybe for Kernal updates .. or to just flush out the system .. but linux machines as a standard shouldnt need a reboot...
07:59:25 PMlyndon_ what other good distros have a rolling release?
07:59:41 PMSparklyballs netrunner
08:00:19 PMDooley_da_Vulcan That is what I thought and told my son in IT. Unknowingly I was correct, I believed I was, not just making it up as I went anyways.
08:00:24 PMlyndon_ netrunner?
08:00:46 PMNateUK I think my home servers have been running for about 6 months no reboot right now ... Dooley_da_Vulcan.. only reason I say that is because we lost power here about that time and the battery backup didnt last as long as the blackout
08:01:11 PMSparklyballs
08:01:32 PMGuest_9321 Antergos rolling
08:01:38 PMlyndon_ kubuntu based, cool
08:02:04 PMDooley_da_Vulcan ah, that is a long time for a windows machine... how long have folks been using linux for servers? and it was Unix before that wasn't it?
08:03:08 PMGuest_9321 Are any of the Ubuntu variants rolling?
08:03:33 PMNateUK i think right now one of the most interesting is the ubuntu mate distro ... the guy who is lead in it is also in the team and running the arch packages of mate ... he writes ubuntu mate for his family because he wants the the right tools in front of people without the hassle of having to install from terminal or software center ... he has a welcome screen with many used apps .. makes it interesting his direction
08:03:35 PMlyndon_ looks like net runner is
08:03:40 PMGarbee Guest_9321: No, but Canonical is looking at making it rolling except for LTS releases.
08:03:58 PMRobbieF I've been using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed at home. Now there's a sexy rolling distro.
08:04:56 PMGarbee NateUK: With Linux 4, reboots for kernel updates won't even be a thing.
08:05:16 PMGarbee So if you know what you are doing, you can continually upgrade anything without a reboot (since you can hot-swap most drivers too.)
08:05:30 PMGarbee I think only like, Nvidia or AMD proprietary drivers will require it.
08:06:35 PMGoodGuy98 Garbee - If you run Ubuntu based distros, Ksplice allowed that for several years
08:06:59 PMNateUK Garbee: very true but I was covering my back as some are still on 3 lol
08:07:00 PMGoodGuy98 I think it worked with Fedora also, but not sure at all
08:07:10 PMlyndon_ see, this is why i like you guys. so informative =)
08:07:15 PMGarbee Yea, 3 will be around for a long while.
08:07:21 PMGarbee Just like 2 still is.
08:07:26 PMGoodGuy98 Ksplice worked on 3 Garbee
08:07:30 PMGarbee I was just saying, you *can* do it now. :)
08:07:40 PMGarbee GoodGuy98: This is built in hot-reloading of kernel modules though.
08:07:43 PMGarbee No extra stuff needed.
08:07:46 PMGoodGuy98 It is free for home use last time I looked
08:08:10 PMGarbee Ah, Oracle makes Ksplice. No thanks.
08:08:16 PMGoodGuy98 I know.. just pointing out no need to wait for Kernel 4
08:08:30 PMGarbee Sadly, the only thing I *need* from time-to-time from them is Virtualbox.
08:08:34 PMGoodGuy98 It is free
08:08:44 PMGarbee I wish we had a non-oracle solution to VMs that wasn't VMware.
08:09:07 PMGoodGuy98 I dont recall any obnoxious behavior, but I played with it a few years ago iirc
08:09:19 PMGarbee Nah, after their copyright BS with an *API* of basic stuff that they sued Google for... I'm turning my back on Oracle everywhere I can.
08:09:21 PMGoodGuy98 QEMU :-)
08:09:51 PMGarbee I'll install VBox only as-needed just to get a job done. Like running IE VMs from MS.
08:10:07 PMGarbee Even then, I can probably find an alternative if I put enough time in.
08:10:08 PMGoodGuy98 Since it's free to a home user, its not like they are getting any cash from you
08:10:20 PMNateUK i like boxes from gnome personally for vm's on loacl
08:10:23 PMNateUK local
08:10:35 PMGarbee It is still supporting their ludacris behavior. Which I refuse to do at any point I can.
08:11:00 PMGarbee Like, if the API had something complex, sure. But omg, a few if checks on boundaries and throw an exception if true... GTFO.
08:11:01 PMNateUK but you can use libvirt / qemu with something like virt-manager ...
08:11:17 PMSparklyballs ludacris the rapper ?
08:11:18 PMGoodGuy98 Certainly your right, but not sure how they benefit other than some free PR
08:11:19 PMGarbee I'm on straight Ubuntu 15.10 atm.
08:11:33 PMGoodGuy98 Guess I am giving that to them lol
08:11:48 PMGarbee Alternate DEs always seem to fail me in some way.
08:11:58 PMGarbee Not sure if I can get boxes in unity easily.
08:12:28 PMNateUK maybe not without gnome stuff being installed everywhere which would suck having to do that
08:12:37 PMGoodGuy98 If I get any use out of something and it doesn't cost me money... I'll use it until something better comes along
08:13:26 PMGarbee GoodGuy98: I'm just a hard-headed programmer who understands that lawsuit fairly well. It is complete bull shit and the best ruling ever was overturned at every higher step because the higher judges didn't actually learn the art at all.
08:13:39 PMGarbee So, I am taking a hard personal stance on the matter.
08:14:10 PMGarbee The lower judge literally learned programming over a weekend.
08:14:11 PMGoodGuy98 That's what is great about Linux.. Plenty of room for all type of users
08:14:22 PMNateUK << is a bare bones vm can be used in Ubuntu desktop ... I used to use it ... but worth install virt-manager for gui if required
08:14:43 PMGarbee Then said exactly "The code in question is *obvious to anyone in the art*, so it isn't copyright-able." Then, every higher court just went, "Yea, no."
08:15:00 PMSparklyballs again unraid has done some real work on their VM manager
08:15:08 PMGarbee Yea, libvert. docker works on top of that.
08:15:11 PMGarbee iirc.
08:15:20 PMGarbee Or at least used its API in its original incarnation.
08:15:33 PMGoodGuy98 I used to be a mainframe programmer... my friend left to work at a Hospital... They used an OS a doctor wrote playing around.. or did a ton of mods to an existing one
08:16:41 PMGoodGuy98 I though that was one intelligent doctor to write OS level stuff just to play
08:16:53 PMGarbee yea. Wowzers.
08:16:59 PMGarbee That would never be done today.
08:17:04 PMGarbee Too much IT and Legal in the way.
08:17:29 PMGoodGuy98 I left the job where I talked to the friend and just lost contact
08:17:34 PMGarbee Although, lol, most hospital software really should be written to run on Linux at this point.
08:18:06 PMGoodGuy98 This was many moons ago.. guessing late 1970's
08:18:15 PMGarbee Damn. You are old.
08:18:20 PMGoodGuy98 I am terrible on time frames though
08:18:34 PMGarbee Like, was that in your early career working on mainframes?
08:18:36 PMSparklyballs 98 isn't your age is it GoodGuy98 ?
08:18:50 PMGoodGuy98 64.. beats the alternative to getting old
08:19:41 PMGarbee ugh. I'd love to ask more about stuff. But it is almost 10 degrees (F) outside and my dog is going nuts and not coming in.
08:19:42 PMDooley_da_Vulcan sorry was afk so the Ubuntu Mate distro, who would anyone compare it to say Point linux besides the obvious differences from the basic ubuntu vs PL
08:19:48 PMGoodGuy98 Yes I graduated from community college in 1972... worked in an school for 90 days and got a programming job about a year later
08:19:49 PMGarbee I need to go get him in. See ya'll later.
08:19:55 PMGarbee Have a good evening guys!
08:20:18 PMNateUK take care Garbee
08:20:21 PMGoodGuy98 Yes Dooley_da_Vulcan .. I have two versions of it installed on this PC
08:20:24 PMGarbee GoodGuy98: Let's try to chat again sometime. I'd love to hear more about programming back-in-the-day.
08:20:35 PMGoodGuy98 14.04 LTS and 15.10
08:20:41 PMGoodGuy98 sure thing
08:20:44 PMGarbee I hear a lot of the stuff we are just spreading now was created *way* back with some of the original languages.
08:20:51 PMGarbee The ideas just never got mass.
08:20:54 PMDooley_da_Vulcan does compiz work with them?
08:21:03 PMGoodGuy98 It looks just like old Ubuntu with Gnome 2
08:21:04 PMGarbee Maybe you'd know more. But my dog is more important.
08:21:21 PMNateUK Ubuntu Mate is a good get he work done and easy .... it is gnome 2 in a nutshell ...
08:21:41 PMNateUK but with all the goodness of gnome 3
08:21:52 PMGoodGuy98 I think so, but I have a really cheap video card. nVidia 8600 GT.. and I dont care all that much about fancy bells and whistles
08:22:34 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I like the 3dcube for moving around quickly
08:22:34 PMGoodGuy98 I am running Mint 17.3 Cinnamon 64-bit and that has Compix iirc
08:22:47 PMGoodGuy98 Go look at their Release Notes
08:23:39 PMDooley_da_Vulcan will do
08:24:08 PMDooley_da_Vulcan may I ask what is Linux 4
08:24:15 PMGoodGuy98
08:24:21 PMNateUK kernal 4
08:24:28 PMGoodGuy98 Kernel starting with 4
08:24:38 PMDooley_da_Vulcan ahh, much better?
08:24:42 PMDooley_da_Vulcan differences?
08:25:07 PMDooley_da_Vulcan anything obvious for new users
08:25:09 PMGoodGuy98 The "Desktop Settings" tool now supports more window and compositing managers. Other than the traditional Marco, Metacity and Xfwm4 window managers, you’ll find the following options:
08:25:10 PMGoodGuy98 Openbox: A very fast and very light window manager.
08:25:10 PMGoodGuy98 Compiz: One of the most visually impressive window manager available for Linux.
08:25:10 PMGoodGuy98 Compton: A compositing manager which can be used in complement of Marco, Metacity, Xfwm4 or Openbox.
08:25:23 PMGoodGuy98 That was from Mint 17.3 MATE
08:25:25 PMNateUK oh and Ubuntu Mint does come with compiz .. just read the link GoodGuy98 posted lol
08:26:18 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I am opening windows as I type
08:26:26 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Thank you, you guys
08:26:46 PMGoodGuy98 I installed Mint 17.3 MATE on my wife's old PC
08:27:23 PMGoodGuy98 She is a happy camper.. doesnt really do much besides Facebok, browse the web and some letters and emails
08:28:01 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I often go to install applications and they will offer default installs for certain distros, and point linux is not one of them
08:28:13 PMNateUK lol GoodGuy98 .. we call that a tablet on steriods (tablet = pc in this case) lol
08:28:26 PMGoodGuy98 Point Linux is Debian underneath
08:28:34 PMGoodGuy98 Lol NateUK
08:29:49 PMGoodGuy98 Most Debian stuff should work.. I get a few problems with software on Mint.. I think it's because it is looking for Trusty as a distro name and gets Rosa
08:29:56 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I know and even at that I have had issues where I cannot meet dependencies becaues of libraries, that from what I can find do not exist. as if someone had a typo when typing out the dependencies list.
08:30:22 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I find a lot of jessie stuff works great then.... nada on something
08:30:43 PMDooley_da_Vulcan like it has a mix of stuff it has or a mix of what it needs
08:30:47 PMGoodGuy98 I think the thing it is looking for is within a lib named something else
08:30:52 PMNateUK time for sleep .. take care all .. have fun ..
08:30:58 PMGoodGuy98 Night NateUK
08:31:02 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Good nite NateUK
08:32:51 PMGoodGuy98 Better run myself.. Night all
08:33:32 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Well is there anyone left
08:34:53 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I often find myself to be last and alone..... I guess it is all good
08:39:10 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Hello ShellyD
08:39:10 PMDooley_da_Vulcan you haven't left yet huh?


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