Chat Logs for Episode 448 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 43 Posts:GoodGuy98
With 42 Posts:agamotto
With 39 Posts:revdjenk
With 36 Posts:jlim
With 33 Posts:lichenx1


Chat Logs:

06:58:06 PMSoundPro69 Mmmm...
06:58:07 PMSashaD oh gross
06:58:22 PMDennis_Kelley sweet! the sound works
06:58:32 PMSoundPro69 How old was it?
06:58:43 PMGoodGuy98 Hello SashaD
06:58:44 PMSparklyballs about a week or so
06:58:49 PMGoodGuy98 Hello Dennis_Kelley
06:58:57 PMDennis_Kelley Hi GoodGuy98
06:59:00 PMSparklyballs threw the rest of the pack out
06:59:11 PMDennis_Kelley how you been
06:59:29 PMGoodGuy98 Not too bad.. How about You?
06:59:51 PMGoodGuy98 video looks strange
06:59:59 PMDennis_Kelley great! started a new job a month or so ago!
07:00:03 PMlichenx1 lol
07:00:10 PMSashaD coffee is better than lumpy sports drink.
07:00:21 PMGoodGuy98 Neat! What type of work are you doing?
07:00:24 PMSparklyballs whoa, HUGE hands
07:01:13 PMSparklyballs the sweat from a large man's knee joint is better than lumpy drink
07:01:14 PMDennis_Kelley I work for USIC, I locate underground utilities! like electric, gas, phone, cable
07:02:13 PMGoodGuy98 We could have used your help in the past... Never was sure where the supply lines were.. Thankfully we didn't hit one
07:02:13 PMagamotto Hallo, everyone
07:02:38 PMGoodGuy98 Does that use ground penetrating radar?
07:02:42 PMGoodGuy98 Hi agamotto
07:02:44 PMDennis_Kelley thankfully! could have been bad.
07:02:45 PMSparklyballs Dennis_Kelley: , do you use two wooden rods ?
07:03:34 PMGoodGuy98 Alot of work available in Israel I bet.. searching for underground tunnels
07:03:39 PMagamotto What is it with all of these Czechs?
07:03:42 PMSoundPro69 Who's Czech? I thought you guys were Canadian...
07:03:48 PMSoundPro69 ha ha ha ...
07:03:53 PMABQTKY The suspense builds...
07:03:54 PMDennis_Kelley a division is getting int GPR GoodGuy98. but i dont. I use a transmitter and receiver, that send a signal down the shield of the cable
07:03:55 PMlichenx1 can someone message me here as soon as the show starts?
07:04:17 PMlichenx1 I missed it last time because the feed didn't show up
07:04:24 PMGoodGuy98 I didn't realize that is how they located them
07:05:10 PMDennis_Kelley Sparklyballs - no but some of the guys do us one metal one!
07:05:37 PMjlim will the go on?
07:05:39 PMSoundPro69 linchens1: Starting
07:05:40 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy98, yep, its actually really cool!
07:05:47 PMlichenx1 thx SoundPro69
07:05:48 PMlichenx1 got it
07:06:03 PMjlim hey it's sasha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:06:05 PMGoodGuy98 I used to sit near a closet that housed a ton of telephone wires.. The phone guy hooked a device that sent a signal and another device showed which wire it was connected to
07:06:13 PMDennis_Kelley sounds working! the check is in the mail!
07:06:40 PMDennis_Kelley GoodGuy98, same Idea!
07:06:42 PMagamotto I am just happy that I have my birthday off on Friday!
07:07:07 PMGoodGuy98 maybe Martin can get RobbieF back on Ubuntu instead of a Debian Point Linux... cue Welcome Back song
07:07:23 PMagamotto I will care when I have a 25mbit connection, and an HDR telly
07:07:34 PMSparklyballs are you using phone wifi again this week ?
07:08:03 PMDennis_Kelley happy early Birthday agamotto!
07:08:25 PMlichenx1 Just to bother RobbieF Where's the music!
07:08:26 PMagamotto Dennis_Kelley: Yes, I will be 46 this Earth Day... and I am loving it.
07:08:33 PMSashaD It's mine on Thursday agamotto :)
07:08:35 PMjlim SashaD: we missed you!!!
07:08:38 PMSparklyballs boaty
07:08:46 PMDennis_Kelley agamotto - sweet
07:08:47 PMSashaD I miss you guys!
07:08:47 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Hello again, made it home to desktop pc
07:09:07 PMGoodGuy98 May Tah
07:09:35 PMagamotto Maté
07:09:39 PMjlim wimpy
07:09:45 PMGoodGuy98 Ma Tay
07:09:45 PMSparklyballs i'm not mating with ubuntu
07:09:57 PMSoundPro69 No accent on the e. It is máte
07:10:03 PMSoundPro69 I{m from argentina.
07:10:07 PMagamotto Yerba Maté es muy excellente!
07:10:17 PMagamotto My mistake
07:10:45 PMSoundPro69 It's yerba mate. (No written accent makes the spoken accent to fall on the a)
07:10:51 PMagamotto Got it
07:11:06 PMSparklyballs thats hamp shier to north merikans
07:11:15 PMagamotto oobooNtu?
07:11:28 PMSoundPro69 SashaD, it does contain caffeine
07:12:08 PMSashaD I will never mispronounce it now
07:12:08 PMGoodGuy98 There was a Ubuntu MATE 14.04 LTS... just not official according to Canonical
07:13:46 PMjlim SashaD: lol
07:14:15 PMjlim all my ubuntu boxes are lts
07:14:25 PMjlim zfs!!!!!!
07:14:38 PMjlim that is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
07:14:53 PMjlim snappy
07:15:01 PMjlim also awesome
07:15:42 PMlichenx1 I think Martin is sitting on the floor
07:16:04 PMSashaD He makes me look tall!
07:16:10 PMlichenx1 lol
07:16:54 PMSoundPro69 SashaD, RobbieF, I have a question for your guest: I am a fan of Ubuntu Studio which, by default, comes with XFCE. Can I switch it to MATE without compatibility issues? And also? Is it very heavy in terms of resources compared to XFCE?
07:17:41 PMSoundPro69 SashaD, RobbieF, additionally, does Ubuntu studio release on the same day as the main Ubuntu distro?
07:18:36 PMjlim nope
07:18:41 PMjlim just as light
07:18:57 PMMangleFox70_ Heyo! o/
07:19:03 PMSoundPro69 Cool jlim. Thanks
07:19:30 PMlichenx1 I have a question, when I try to uninstall firefox, it asks me to uninstall ubuntu-mate-core, when I'd like to keep mate applications, is there a way around this?
07:19:57 PMjlim i have it running on my mom's p4 single core
07:20:02 PMagamotto That does seem odd
07:21:17 PMlichenx1 agamotto, if you're talking to me, I don't think I'm the only one
07:21:56 PMagamotto I am on Lint w/Cinnamon, so I would have to claim ignorance.
07:22:08 PMSparklyballs can i get it on my toaster ?
07:22:10 PMMangleFox70_ -_-
07:23:01 PMagamotto Ahhh, dependency hell
07:23:04 PMjlim ide ssd hhhhmmm
07:23:14 PMjlim gotta look into that
07:23:36 PMlichenx1 thanks for answering
07:23:51 PMlichenx1 thanks SashaD
07:24:09 PMSashaD Your welcome... thank you for the question :)
07:24:20 PMlichenx1 I saw you trying lol
07:24:54 PMjlim i loaded compiz in mate
07:25:14 PMjlim or ubuntu mate i should say
07:25:29 PMSoundPro69 SashaD, RobbieF, one more question: What is the minimum resolution required for Ubuntu MATE? I have an old Asus netbook (1024x600) on which I usually cannot see the full dialog boxes on the regular Unity desktop. Would Ubuntu MATE ba better option, please?
07:27:45 PMSoundPro69 Awesome. Thank you SashaD
07:28:16 PMSashaD you are welcome :)
07:28:28 PMjlim gotta try it
07:28:46 PMjlim been using crunchbang on my netbook
07:28:59 PMlichenx1 I also had another question, If I'm on ubuntu mate but choose to use awesomewm, if I uninstalled ubuntu-mate-core would I end up breaking anything?
07:29:04 PMSoundPro69 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage)
07:29:24 PMjlim SashaD: question does ZFS work in ubuntu mate?
07:29:30 PMagamotto True, but unfortunately there has to be SOME cut-off point
07:30:42 PMagamotto Most of it has to do with the sheer cost of modern kit outside the 1st world nations, so to speak
07:30:59 PMGoodGuy98 I used to work as a mainframe systems programmer... I still remember our company dumping a ton of PCs into the trash bins because of Y2K... never thought of donating them
07:31:04 PMSparklyballs is his wife now happy ?
07:31:14 PMagamotto I would hope
07:31:35 PMGoodGuy98 Dumped a good amount of bar code readers.. wish I would have asked for one, but didnt think of it
07:32:58 PMagamotto I have to admit... Home Depot seems to be doing a good job of recycling/decomissioning the hardware. Now if we could just get IT to move faster on the software side...
07:33:14 PMlichenx1 Thanks, SashaD and Martin
07:34:13 PMGoodGuy98 SashaD, it is not awesome compared to what you are used to
07:34:15 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Thanks to Martin
07:34:25 PMjlim awesome is awesome!
07:34:37 PMlichenx1 ^
07:34:41 PMjlim SashaD: thanks for asking
07:34:41 PMagamotto Hmmm, so a new Mint should be coming out after my birthday... yay!
07:34:52 PMGoodGuy98 Isnt it a tiling window manager?
07:34:56 PMlichenx1 yes
07:35:21 PMGoodGuy98 I saw it mentioned on Linux Action Show awhile back
07:36:00 PMSoundPro69 Sweet 16 SashaD?
07:36:00 PMSparklyballs happy birthday SashaD
07:36:10 PMagamotto Yes, nothing like doing interviews around 0400
07:37:02 PMSashaD You are all so AWESOME!!!
07:37:51 PMlichenx1 Cat5 is awesome
07:38:17 PMagamotto RobbieF: You could just move the mug
07:38:27 PMSoundPro69 RobbieF, Great stuff Robbie! Thank you for this!
07:38:40 PMjlim wimpy is popeye?
07:38:54 PMjlim SashaD: Happy Birthday!
07:39:04 PMagamotto The purveyor of Tuesday burgers, yes
07:40:21 PMMangleFox70_ :/
07:40:34 PMjlim RobbieF: \0
07:41:04 PMagamotto Yet, this is still more entertaining than my local news!
07:41:10 PMlichenx1 RobbieF, called it SashaD
07:41:20 PMagamotto SashaD: You don't like breathing wallpaper?
07:41:57 PMagamotto RobbieF: The washroom has a decontamination sequence?
07:42:06 PMSparklyballs i'd be turning it off when someone was in there....
07:42:14 PMjlim lol
07:42:37 PMagamotto Miss!!! Oh, Miss!!! You seem to have a Dalek over your shoulder!
07:42:43 PMpopey jlim: no, popey is popey, wimpy is wimpy
07:42:43 PMMangleFox70_ ESKIn
07:42:52 PMjlim lol
07:42:54 PMpopey we live near eachother, but we are separate individuals
07:43:07 PMjlim i keep getting you two mixed up
07:44:08 PMjlim you both work on ubuntu mate?
07:44:09 PMSparklyballs 123reg not as bad as that fella who deleted his whole hosting server....
07:44:11 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Players are really miffed at Blizzard over Diablo players being permanently banned for trying to play Diablo in ubuntu
07:44:21 PMlichenx1 lol
07:44:32 PMrevdjenk whoa...almost missed cat5 with SashaD !
07:44:35 PMDooley_da_Vulcan or in Linux in general
07:44:57 PMagamotto Dooley_da_Vulcan: What is the big deal?
07:45:25 PMDooley_da_Vulcan they see it as a modded system because of playing through wine so they think they are playing
07:45:31 PMSparklyballs that was pretty slick SashaD
07:45:50 PMDooley_da_Vulcan and cheating to do advantageous stuff
07:45:59 PMagamotto Then let Blizzard support Linux... duh!
07:46:08 PMDooley_da_Vulcan exactly
07:46:26 PMagamotto Or... alternatively, start letting Blizzard know that you won'
07:46:29 PMDooley_da_Vulcan with NO refund on your money
07:46:31 PMrevdjenk freeze?
07:46:37 PMagamotto t PAY for their product until they do
07:47:55 PMSparklyballs format wars on the way
07:48:11 PMagamotto I will skip it and just wait until something like 8k comes out. Of course, at 30" or so, I can't imagine it being that different.
07:48:53 PMSoundPro69 It's a learned ability. But once you learn to appreciate it, there's no way back
07:49:00 PMjlim hahaha
07:49:05 PMagamotto Fraser?
07:49:13 PMSoundPro69 I'll take the "snobby" thing as a compliment ha ha
07:49:24 PMGoodGuy98 Harmony Remote for SashaD
07:49:36 PMjlim don't care too much about surround sound
07:49:44 PMrevdjenk back
07:49:44 PMrevdjenk SashaD: how close are you sitting to it
07:50:16 PMrevdjenk 80
07:50:19 PMrevdjenk is bad
07:51:35 PMSparklyballs it displays "you are dead, please seek medical help immediately" if the level goes below 4
07:51:52 PMagamotto Or, it calls the local organ donor center?
07:52:37 PMrevdjenk It may be better as the medicos can place it where they will notice it?
07:52:38 PMGoodGuy98 I was in the hospital with a guy who just had his second leg amputated... He never realized he was severely diabetic until he cut himself working on a drag racing car
07:52:39 PMSoundPro69 OMG agamotto
07:52:44 PMagamotto It would most likely use an infrared sensor/s, like the eye readers for BP and saturation do
07:52:53 PMSparklyballs bar code on the baby
07:54:21 PMSparklyballs either that or symantec are cooking the books to drive sales of their software
07:54:42 PMrevdjenk a 0day was reported today, a hacker took two weeks to discover a vulnurability through and embadded system in a TOASTER!
07:54:59 PMSparklyballs burnt my damn muffins
07:55:06 PMrevdjenk yes
07:55:07 PMlichenx1 lol
07:55:17 PMlichenx1 yea I don't need help burning my toast
07:56:06 PMGoodGuy98 Darknet
07:56:08 PMDooley_da_Vulcan reports of vulnerabilities are all it takes to drive sales, then the patch really doesn't have to do anything, they are patching for something that does not exist
07:56:18 PMSoundPro69 It's the iHack Store
07:56:34 PMagamotto Hopefully, the world will quit using flash altogether
07:57:07 PMDooley_da_Vulcan no matter what whenever on the web, you hit a site and flash is required
07:57:18 PMrevdjenk Adobe won't get a chance, others are quitting them, anyway
07:57:20 PMjlim a lot of repositories are for penetration testing
07:57:28 PMGoodGuy98 I thought I read google was offering $50,000 to find bugs... some ppl turned it down because they could make more selling it to bad guys
07:58:03 PMGoodGuy98 Flash did announce it was ending Adobe Flash.. believe it was this month
07:58:16 PMrevdjenk that was easy for you to say!
07:58:39 PMagamotto revdjenk: One of the reasons I am not into the IoT bandwagon. So far, I like most of my devices rather stupid
07:59:30 PMSparklyballs 100k is chicken feed in online terms
07:59:31 PMrevdjenk agamotto: yes, especially most of those items would be very difficult to upgrade!
07:59:38 PMDooley_da_Vulcan it would be like MS coming down on people sharing old MS software from 20 years ago
08:00:15 PMrevdjenk SashaD: just a few months ago, you didn't even know what Linux was, and now a Raspberry Pi!!!
08:00:45 PMSparklyballs don't forget the cute heatsinks RobbieF
08:01:45 PMrevdjenk this guy took a drive to a company that recovered everything for him
08:02:37 PMlichenx1 brb signing up for 123-reg
08:02:42 PMrevdjenk and not typing dangerous bash commands
08:02:44 PMDooley_da_Vulcan would they not have local copies of their code, for modifications
08:02:48 PMagamotto "Blessed be the pessimist, for he hath backups."
08:03:05 PMrevdjenk lichenx1: at least they won't have THAT problem for a while!
08:03:18 PMlichenx1 lol
08:03:30 PMrevdjenk 3-2-1 backup rule, three backups, two local, one off site
08:03:57 PMjlim do your dev locally then upload to the vps
08:04:03 PMDooley_da_Vulcan exactly
08:04:21 PMDooley_da_Vulcan develop locally then upload to server
08:04:25 PMSparklyballs you get what you pay for
08:04:34 PMrevdjenk another backup rule, an untested backup, isn't a backup
08:04:46 PMlichenx1 been there revdjenk
08:04:53 PMlichenx1 talk about a surprise lol
08:04:57 PMrevdjenk lichenx1: yikes!
08:06:08 PMDooley_da_Vulcan so lets see, they say ok, we are not looking at your stuff..... OKAY nobody else is looking
08:07:36 PMGoodGuy98 Titanic II
08:07:57 PMagamotto Sounds fine to me
08:08:07 PMjlim you would think microsoft would done that a long time ago
08:08:26 PMrevdjenk now there's a Horsey McHorseface
08:08:39 PMSoundPro69 RobbieF, just FYI, Micro$oft is trying to push Windows 10 down people's throats. I have been ignoring the "Upgrade for free" pop-up for months purposely. Saturday night, it just installed itself. So on Sunday, when I woke up the PC, it said to me "Welcome to Windows 10", after which it presented the conditions to me. I declined them and it uninstal
08:08:39 PMSoundPro69 led and reverted back to my Windows 8.2. This is getting crazy and I think someone will sue them. Granted, my PC was a hostage to this stupid process for about 45 minutes, when I was planning on doing something else.
08:08:43 PMjlim think they finally woke up and smelled the coffee
08:09:25 PMrevdjenk SoundPro69: Glad I left MS with Vista at the end of 2005
08:09:27 PMGoodGuy98 Take a look at GWX Control Panel SoundPro69
08:09:31 PMlichenx1 I was so tired of fighting with win10, switched to linux, never looked back
08:09:32 PMjlim microsofties must be happy
08:09:43 PMSoundPro69 RobbieF, Maybe this Micro$oft issue could be a topic of discussion in one of your shows?
08:09:51 PMGoodGuy98 His freeware stops the Win10 hassles
08:09:53 PMrevdjenk welcome lichenx1 !!
08:09:55 PMRobbieF :)
08:10:17 PMSoundPro69 lichenx1, I do use Linux on my laptops
08:10:20 PMGoodGuy98 It even deletes the auto downloaded stuff if you wish
08:10:46 PMlichenx1 This was about a month ago, revdjenk been using linux on and off since I bought suse in the store haha
08:10:56 PMlichenx1 I think I was 12 or so
08:10:57 PMGoodGuy98 http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
08:11:12 PMSoundPro69 Thanks GoodGuy98!
08:11:34 PMrevdjenk lichenx1: yes, that would be about right! I bought a Mandrake at Circuit City...
08:11:36 PMGoodGuy98 Welcome... the software is very popular
08:12:31 PMlichenx1 are you about to be 30?
08:12:41 PMlichenx1 I saw mandrake too haha
08:12:54 PMGoodGuy98 Call Comcast if you want to pull out your hair
08:13:03 PMagamotto Comcast... yesh
08:13:26 PMGoodGuy98 Iirc they were voted the most disliked company
08:13:48 PMrevdjenk lichenx1: maybe 17 yrs ago...
08:13:56 PMlichenx1 that's crazy
08:14:00 PMrevdjenk hee hee SashaD
08:14:53 PMSparklyballs dave is probably enjoying the 4k tv in glorious 7.1
08:15:16 PMSashaD hahaha likely that's exactly what he is doing!
08:15:20 PMSoundPro69 RobbieF 16.04
08:15:55 PMrevdjenk mint 18 will have this LTS also
08:16:30 PMagamotto Yay
08:17:28 PMMangleFox70_ erm
08:17:57 PMrevdjenk MangleFox70_: ! hey!
08:18:43 PMMangleFox70_ Hello
08:18:56 PMrevdjenk but its Gif as in Graphics
08:19:26 PMrevdjenk I've been away for a few weeks and missed seeing you MangleFox70_
08:19:29 PMSashaD It can't be.... it just doesn't sound good
08:19:58 PMMangleFox70_ Thanks-I've been away too
08:20:26 PMrevdjenk SashaD: GIF is for Graphics Interchange Format, so Yes
08:20:31 PMrevdjenk it should be
08:20:33 PMGoodGuy98 Win7 System Restore isnt working for me... Runs an hour or more then complains something is wrong and gives up the ghost
08:20:58 PMGoodGuy98 Windows Update wasnt downloading updates
08:21:02 PMMangleFox70_ GHOSSTT
08:21:44 PMrevdjenk GoodGuy98: wish I could help, but not much win7 knowledge
08:22:18 PMBobK54 If you regularly work in MS doc formats you can set LibreOffice to save in that format all the time. Its in the settings
08:22:38 PMGoodGuy98 I thought I read help with Windows Update was free of charge.. If I did, Microsoft didn't apparently
08:23:04 PMGoodGuy98 Waste 3-45 mins with a MS rep I could barely understand
08:23:11 PMGoodGuy98 30-45
08:23:40 PMrevdjenk BobK54: but you are just helping people stay in that proprietary system. Send the open document. MS Office will open it, although it will complain.
08:24:09 PMrevdjenk what I often do, send both formats with a little blurb about LibreOffice.org
08:24:11 PMGoodGuy98 You can thank the EU for that revdjenk
08:24:22 PMagamotto AAA games is about it these days
08:24:49 PMBobK54 Agreed revdjenk. my son ran into that problem with some schoolwork so I made it easier for him to have the "correct" file format for submission
08:24:50 PMrevdjenk GoodGuy98: Yes!
08:24:51 PMGoodGuy98 I thought they made MS accept it or lose sales of office
08:26:06 PMDooley_da_Vulcan I read a long time ago, like 23+ years that it was actually pronounced JIF in an article by creators, I still call it GIF because people would not know what I mean
08:26:13 PMrevdjenk GoodGuy98: That and the fact that some governments have switched to only using open documents. US is looking into that now, saw a report on that earlier today.
08:26:14 PMorangeman there bug in mate try install audacity it does work robbie
08:26:18 PMGoodGuy98 Large crowds following him around like it was the Beatles
08:26:51 PMrevdjenk Dooley_da_Vulcan: the creator actually uses the JIF pronunciation, but what does he know?
08:26:53 PMGoodGuy98 That's what forced them to accept open formats
08:26:59 PMDooley_da_Vulcan right
08:27:21 PMABQTKY HBD, Sasha!!
08:27:34 PMrevdjenk Happy future Birthday, SashaD
08:27:45 PMSparklyballs Sasha the first
08:27:46 PMSoundPro69 Happy birthday SashaD!!!!
08:28:02 PMSoundPro69 Thank you everyone! Gotta go. bye bye
08:28:06 PMSashaD Thank you all :).... gotta run!
08:28:07 PMDooley_da_Vulcan good night all, and enjoy
08:28:09 PMRobbieF thanks everyone!
08:28:23 PMDooley_da_Vulcan Thank you RobbieF and SashaD
08:28:24 PMrevdjenk well trash night... then AAA All About Android techtv
08:28:24 PMWhiskey_Zero Good night & happy birthday SashaD!!!
08:28:26 PMSparklyballs my great nephew was born on the same day as the newest prince
08:28:29 PMDreamer__ The queen will be 90.
08:28:44 PMlichenx1 Great show RobbieF SashaD
08:28:46 PMSparklyballs so he'l share the monarchs birthday SashaD
08:28:54 PMRobbieF :) Thank you
08:28:58 PMagamotto Well, I am off... didn't realise that we were running late-ish. No wonder the cat and dog are staring at me.
08:29:01 PMSashaD You all rock!
08:29:01 PMGoodGuy98 SashaD, you need to use that Dolby Atmos sound to enhance 7.1.... more fancy sound stuff
08:29:05 PMagamotto Dinner time!
08:29:09 PMDreamer__ Canada still wants the monarchy then unless Australia ?
08:29:19 PMDreamer__ unlike Australia
08:38:17 PMMangleFox70_ WOAH SO MANY LEVERS
08:38:20 PMMangleFox70_ LEAVERS*
08:38:52 PMRobbieF :)

Participants

Does Not Include Lurkers
ABQTKY
BobK54
Dennis_Kelley
Dooley_da_Vulcan
Dreamer__
GoodGuy98
MangleFox70_
RobbieF
SashaD
SoundPro69
Sparklyballs
Whiskey_Zero
agamotto
jlim
lichenx1
orangeman
popey
revdjenk