Chat Logs for Episode 455 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 77 Posts:GoodGuy98
With 75 Posts:dooley_da_vulcan
With 57 Posts:revdjenk
With 53 Posts:IslandPhotograph
With 52 Posts:NateUK


Chat Logs:

06:58:04 PMSparklyballs kelsey is where phones go to die
06:58:15 PMGarbee When in reality, they are the ones who made a poor technical choice. They were never promised these things would always work the same forever.
06:58:17 PMKelseyJ Apparently, geez
06:58:18 PMGarbee If at all.
06:58:35 PMrevdjenk I went with Linux in 2001*, security being one of the reasons. *totally by 2006
06:58:49 PMIslandPhotograph NAH! Old phones never die, they just fade away
06:59:04 PMrevdjenk IslandPhotograph: using S3 here! running cm13
06:59:07 PMIslandPhotograph and get repprocessed
06:59:08 PMJeffWeston Like the Zack Morris phone!
06:59:21 PMIslandPhotograph hahahaha
06:59:27 PMSparklyballs i dropped a really old nokia down the loo once, fished it out and blasted the water out with an air line at work, couple of hours later it was up and running
06:59:45 PMrevdjenk Sparklyballs: on purpose!?
07:00:03 PMSparklyballs it was in my shirt pocket and fell in when flushing
07:00:08 PMGarbee revdjenk: I agree that certain things aren't possible with web tech. But that is why we are doing the flash thing in phases and asking clearly for actionable tasks to improve Web APIs to address what can't be done now.
07:00:09 PMJeffWeston It was a crappie phone...hahaha
07:00:25 PMrevdjenk ohhhh JeffWeston
07:00:52 PMGarbee But, most of what we get is vile hatred of the notion of change and unfounded stuff being said about the team/Google.
07:00:54 PMIslandPhotograph hahahaha it really hit the fan...
07:01:59 PMIslandPhotograph WHOA! It's 3D JEFF!!
07:01:59 PMjlim RobbieF: \o
07:01:59 PMdooley_da_vulcan hello all
07:02:13 PMJeffWeston Haha
07:02:15 PMIslandPhotograph howdy
07:02:29 PMGarbee RobbieF: Don't test it on KelseyJ's phone...
07:02:33 PMGarbee You won't get it back.
07:02:47 PMdooley_da_vulcan Hello KelseyJ, JeffWeston and RobbieF
07:02:55 PMDJQuad hey all :)
07:03:21 PMIslandPhotograph hey! DJQuad - What's UP??!
07:03:21 PMSparklyballs teamviewer "you're holding it wrong"
07:03:36 PMGarbee haha, TV.
07:03:48 PMDJQuad lol jeff is like a modern day max headroom
07:03:52 PMIslandPhotograph We dropped teamviewer and moved to VSee
07:04:04 PMGarbee "Sorry, we shouldn't have called you careless. What we meant to express was users should take care when re-using passwords." ... So, you just called everyone careless again.
07:04:17 PMjlim Garbee: \o
07:04:26 PMSparklyballs shades of peter capaldi's dr who with the 3d specs
07:04:37 PMIslandPhotograph MAx Headroom?? WOW! That reveals your age, sort of...
07:05:03 PMDJQuad :) they're talking about retro games, so yeah
07:05:20 PMdooley_da_vulcan will xbox wireless controllers work
07:05:26 PMJeffWeston Haha loved maxheadroom
07:05:35 PMdooley_da_vulcan M MMM MM MMM MMM MAX
07:05:38 PMIslandPhotograph AND...making retro TV shows/movies!
07:05:50 PMJeffWeston My kids Saif I should wear 3d glasses for a tech show...so I did
07:05:59 PMDJQuad never played pong IslandPhotograph? :)
07:06:24 PMdooley_da_vulcan watched on the original Sci-Fi channel on 8 foot sat dish
07:06:25 PMIslandPhotograph I refuse to answer on the grounds it may reveal things about me...
07:06:49 PMdooley_da_vulcan some game makers are selling old retro games now
07:07:01 PMDJQuad IslandPhotograph you and me, combat on atari 2600 goodness
07:07:08 PMGoodGuy98 RobbieF - a local magazine store has a couple retro gaming magazines
07:07:19 PMdooley_da_vulcan so now abandonware will probably fade away
07:07:24 PMjwmp Noooooo
07:07:30 PMGoodGuy98 One covered retro gaming hardware
07:07:35 PMIslandPhotograph I still have my old Atari 800 with printer, and 5.25" floppy and...
07:07:50 PMSparklyballs i'm not buying another pi though...
07:08:08 PMDJQuad hehe IslandPhotograph now YOU'RE showing you're age :P
07:08:11 PMdooley_da_vulcan why no more PI Sparklyballs
07:08:20 PMSparklyballs got 3 already
07:08:33 PMSparklyballs and another arm SBC
07:08:35 PMIslandPhotograph hahahaha....realized that when I confirmed Atari was a thing...:)
07:08:48 PMdooley_da_vulcan ohhhhh, but still cheaper and better than a fortune on new systems
07:08:54 PMGoodGuy98 MicroCenter had an official Raspberry Pi3 power supply for $12
07:09:33 PMDJQuad IslandPhotograph there's an emulator called atari800 that plays those ;)
07:09:37 PMdooley_da_vulcan imagine a family with 4 kids scrape to get one high end system or get 4 PI systems
07:10:02 PMdooley_da_vulcan Thanks to NateUK
07:10:27 PMIslandPhotograph DJQuad, I don't play onit. It's in a glass case along with other collector's items I have there. No more touch, just look
07:10:36 PMDJQuad :)
07:10:55 PMIslandPhotograph Yes, Spyder is GREAT
07:10:57 PMdooley_da_vulcan put together a retro pi system and play away and play a lot more too
07:11:09 PMIslandPhotograph I use it for adjusting my monitors
07:11:58 PMdooley_da_vulcan I used to use my COCO2 and basic to create graphics screens to setup convergence on TVs
07:12:12 PMDJQuad retropie provides the basics. get launchbox instead
07:12:34 PMdooley_da_vulcan what is launchbox DJQuad
07:12:49 PMGoodGuy98 I second that dooley_da_vulcan
07:12:53 PMSparklyballs kelsey is a techno killer
07:13:10 PMJeffWeston Her and sasha fight for the title
07:13:16 PMrevdjenk plateau... explains the size
07:13:17 PMsr_wences Hi everyone!
07:13:20 PMdooley_da_vulcan I have met those with a killer touch for tech
07:13:25 PMrevdjenk hey sr_wences
07:13:33 PMGoodGuy98 hi sr_wences
07:13:34 PMsr_wences Did I miss anything?
07:13:46 PMSparklyballs robbie has wood ?
07:13:51 PMIslandPhotograph hay!
07:13:52 PMsr_wences I think they should put Jeff on the shelf liek Kelsey last week.
07:13:53 PMJeffWeston Haha
07:13:59 PMGoodGuy98 I have one in my car.. only 5 hours away :-)
07:14:03 PMsr_wences Sparkly is out of control.
07:14:11 PMDJQuad dooley_da_vulcan it's a frontend like retropie but sooo much better. https://www.launchbox-app.com
07:14:11 PMIslandPhotograph Yeah, MINI-Jeff!
07:15:00 PMsr_wences Make him small enough that the Picard (?) on the shelf can kick his butt.
07:15:07 PMdooley_da_vulcan DJQuad is that for PI
07:15:24 PMSongbird Good day or evening! :D
07:15:36 PMJeffWeston I'd gladly lose a battle to Picard! Make it so
07:15:38 PMsr_wences Kelsey is like my wife - my wife can lock up Linux.
07:15:42 PMGoodGuy98 Looks lie it is for Windows
07:15:54 PMIslandPhotograph AH! Which day...or evening. I'm from the future!
07:15:55 PMGoodGuy98 like
07:15:56 PMrevdjenk I just pop in a new battery in my S3
07:16:14 PMDJQuad no the pi isn't powerful enough for most emulators and not enough hd space for lots of games
07:16:15 PMSongbird Any day or evening IslandPhotograph. lol
07:16:31 PMIslandPhotograph hahahaha
07:16:33 PMsr_wences I'd rather lose a battle with Dr. Crusher!
07:16:35 PMSongbird :D
07:16:55 PMsr_wences Then she can nurse me back to health. ahem!
07:17:14 PMIslandPhotograph It's June 7, 2016 here......in the AM Songbird
07:17:14 PMSongbird I would need the instructions. lol
07:17:25 PMsr_wences millennials...
07:17:33 PMSongbird It is June 7 7:17 Pm here!
07:17:51 PMJeffWeston Haha sr_wences
07:18:06 PMSongbird lol yuck
07:18:17 PMIslandPhotograph oops! sORRY, IT'S jUNE 8TH
07:18:17 PMsr_wences I'm not sure what this had to do with Linux... iOS is totally not linux-ey. But I guess they have to pay the bills.
07:18:20 PMdooley_da_vulcan is Kelsey one of those that need instructions for instructions?
07:18:21 PMrevdjenk oh kay
07:18:25 PMIslandPhotograph lOOKING AT WRONG CALANEDAR
07:18:36 PMIslandPhotograph stupid cap lock!
07:18:40 PMSongbird lol
07:18:52 PMrevdjenk sr_wences: that is better looking than apple's ugly version
07:18:54 PMdooley_da_vulcan it is a linux bias, not anti everything else
07:18:58 PMSparklyballs not mush room left for apps
07:19:19 PMrevdjenk Sparklyballs: I'm not lichen where this is going!
07:19:20 PMIslandPhotograph I already run Android!
07:19:47 PMsr_wences My Linux bias does not include Apple anything...
07:19:54 PMrevdjenk sr_wences: hee hee
07:19:54 PMsr_wences Sparkly is a fun-guy.
07:20:09 PMSparklyballs i have an iphone6
07:20:09 PMIslandPhotograph NOPE! No fruts here
07:20:33 PMdooley_da_vulcan launchbox looks like it will run stuff PI will not while windows will run
07:20:37 PMIslandPhotograph huh? now my fingers have stopped working too
07:20:38 PMrevdjenk IslandPhotograph: dont' even have an i in frut
07:20:53 PMsr_wences OK. I have to make dinner. Bluetooth headphones FTW!
07:21:15 PMIslandPhotograph Bluetooth headsets - are the best
07:21:17 PMrevdjenk just like the auto
07:21:18 PMdooley_da_vulcan I have left M$ behind and only run a VM of M$ when I do need something
07:21:31 PMrevdjenk yay dooley_da_vulcan
07:21:45 PMSparklyballs i dual booted ubuntu 16,04 on my macbook pro yesterday
07:21:49 PMGoodGuy98 If you run it an VM, you are still running it
07:21:51 PMdooley_da_vulcan you know FWT has 2 meanings as far as I have heard so far....lol
07:21:57 PMrevdjenk oooboooontoooo
07:21:58 PMjlim RobbieF: do they make one for the nexus 6p
07:22:01 PMjlim ?
07:22:29 PMSparklyballs no ms os here
07:22:42 PMdooley_da_vulcan just to access VB6, if it goes opensource we know it will go to linux eventually
07:22:56 PMdooley_da_vulcan and then chuck MS
07:22:56 PMjlim Sparklyballs: no ms here either
07:23:07 PMIslandPhotograph We still use it in the editing studio, at least until Linux and Adobe get along!
07:23:21 PMrevdjenk I love to talk to the "windows tech" phone callers!
07:23:47 PMrevdjenk News by JeffWeston !!
07:23:50 PMrevdjenk dadada
07:23:56 PMdooley_da_vulcan its bad when you get the scammer windows techies calling when you do not even have a MS machine
07:23:58 PMRobbieF duh duh DUH!
07:24:07 PMrevdjenk RobbieF: hee hee
07:24:24 PMGoodGuy98 I bought a copy of VB6 Pro several years ago for $8 at a local thrift store
07:24:29 PMrevdjenk just the headlines....
07:25:02 PMGoodGuy98 Not that I needed it, but it was such a good deal I couldn't resist at the time
07:25:10 PMSongbird I wish I could help through QVC and HSN. lol
07:25:12 PMdooley_da_vulcan pull his arm, just not his finger
07:25:14 PMIslandPhotograph I don't sit through them anyway. I get COFFEE!
07:25:30 PMrevdjenk JeffWeston: keep at attention...
07:27:08 PMdooley_da_vulcan well heck, the more people that know you exist the more likely you are to get hacked
07:27:28 PMSongbird lol
07:27:38 PMrevdjenk the da da da,
07:27:39 PMNateUK good evening
07:28:02 PMrevdjenk hey NateUK
07:28:07 PMjlim what was the passwd
07:28:08 PMjlim ?
07:28:14 PMrevdjenk dadada
07:28:23 PMdooley_da_vulcan hey as they say oh hackers, GOD is one of the top 4 PW
07:28:36 PMjlim dadada was his passwd?
07:28:41 PMrevdjenk yes
07:28:45 PMjlim hahahahaahahaha
07:28:46 PMGoodGuy98 Wasn't that a MMA fighter who had a match with Kimbo Slice?
07:28:48 PMrevdjenk for multiple accounts
07:28:53 PMSongbird that password was dumdumdum lol
07:29:11 PMIslandPhotograph ran one of ours through a password strength test: It would take a supercomputer 1.2 TRILLION years to break it!!
07:29:44 PMGoodGuy98 Not a quantum computer I bet
07:30:09 PMdooley_da_vulcan put one of mine in a tester and it said we would be living on mars before it would get hacked 25 alphanumeric characters
07:30:34 PMdooley_da_vulcan myspace became nothing but a virus well
07:30:42 PMrevdjenk GoodGuy98: but that can guess either the password, or know the account it is checking, not both at the same time... hee hee
07:30:49 PMIslandPhotograph Yes, WE are still on MySpace. It's far better than FaceBook which gives your private data to the world governments as they were PAID him to do it. No warrant, no crime, etc. needed.
07:31:04 PMGarbee RobbieF and JeffWeston Hitting #1 with only 10 listeners on the radio isn't that big of a deal...
07:31:05 PMGarbee :P
07:31:13 PMIslandPhotograph Well, that's poor English!
07:31:49 PMIslandPhotograph Guess a PhD doesn't help fingers type correctly
07:31:57 PMdooley_da_vulcan HAHA revdjenk cannot know both at once....great
07:32:25 PMGarbee I think this is better than Rachel Xu's laugh attack.
07:32:49 PMSongbird That was a good one Garbee!
07:32:59 PMrevdjenk caret carrot care it would be a stronger password
07:33:09 PMdooley_da_vulcan never worn breeches like those
07:33:10 PMSparklyballs that is one hell of a dodgy looking hat on one of your album covers RobbieF
07:34:36 PMSongbird Those darn kids are all alike! LOL
07:34:45 PMrevdjenk I'm so old, I can't remember '95 either!
07:34:50 PMjlim is a christian rock band?
07:34:52 PMdooley_da_vulcan the more they make tech in cars more user friendly the more problems
07:34:54 PMSongbird Every generation has said that. :)
07:35:06 PMIslandPhotograph I have grand kids that old and older
07:35:08 PMSongbird lol revdjenk
07:35:11 PMjlim not much of a church goer myself
07:35:43 PMdooley_da_vulcan I remember formatting HDs using debug
07:35:54 PMrevdjenk jlim, ya don't know what yer missin'
07:36:22 PMGarbee I remember when making circles and triangles with CSS was the hot-buzz among web developers.
07:36:25 PMIslandPhotograph I remember installing DOS before you could install any program or OS.
07:36:32 PMGarbee I mean, it was only like 5 years ago... but still.
07:36:57 PMjlim if i were a religous person. i'd prolly be a buddhist
07:36:58 PMSparklyballs terrorists will be 3d printing bombs to hijack 3d printed planes
07:37:16 PMrevdjenk jlim: well, start somewhere!
07:38:20 PMsr_wences RobbieF - the idea is to mine the maerials on the planet and then 3D print what you need. That way you don't need to transport the materials to the planet.
07:38:44 PMrevdjenk yes, my Sharp Zaurus pda had a slide out keyboard like the Priv
07:38:52 PMrevdjenk it was maddening
07:39:17 PMdooley_da_vulcan in 82 I had a $100 COCO2 that would do more than a friends $2400 IBM PC XT
07:39:24 PMrevdjenk wear a seatbelt
07:39:34 PMRobbieF YES, seatbelt.
07:39:37 PMRobbieF And don't be dumb!
07:39:58 PMSparklyballs i'm going to be late for work, i crashed the car sending the last email.....
07:39:58 PMSongbird I never needed a law to tell me not to read and drive. lol
07:39:59 PMjlim lol
07:40:01 PMdooley_da_vulcan I actually had a TI99 with the memory expansion unit
07:40:12 PMsr_wences What? My start trek bathing suit news didn't make it? RobbieF is slipping.
07:40:17 PMNelson1 hello Robbie
07:40:18 PMSongbird lol
07:40:27 PMGoodGuy98 I wrote an auction program for a really well off boss on an Altair 8800 PC... first PC sold to home users
07:40:28 PMsr_wences Trekini.
07:40:32 PMIslandPhotograph hahahahaTI99 was first computer I owned
07:40:37 PMSongbird Hi Robbie
07:40:46 PMrevdjenk sr_wences: or the star trek "barbie' dolls?
07:40:47 PMIslandPhotograph LED in RED!
07:40:59 PMjlim <<---never wears his seatbelt lol
07:41:17 PMGoodGuy98 It worked like a charm and I retired from that sort of thing... embarass the owner and get a free boot out the door lol
07:41:41 PMJeffWeston I teach my kids what not to do by showing them
07:41:43 PMJeffWeston Hehe
07:41:47 PMsr_wences LVM rocks. Although I currently use Unraid on my NAS at home.
07:41:50 PMIslandPhotograph hahahaha
07:41:50 PMGoodGuy98 Used BASIC and some assembler coding
07:41:51 PMKelseyJ *waves back* :)
07:41:53 PMSongbird lol JeffWeston
07:42:08 PMSongbird Hey Kelsey so good to see you again!!!
07:42:25 PMrevdjenk GoodGuy98: did that involve moving wired plugins?
07:42:27 PMGoodGuy98 Disk Pooling?
07:42:28 PMjlim no more clonezilla?
07:42:30 PMKelseyJ Thanks :) I like ebing back!
07:42:35 PMKelseyJ being*
07:42:35 PMSongbird :D
07:43:08 PMGoodGuy98 The guy who bought it left the company and it sat unused in a closet for a couple years
07:43:15 PMJeffWeston I remember doing ghost clone off a floppy
07:43:17 PMdooley_da_vulcan I picked up a system with a promise raid controller in it, DO I leave that in or not in order to use unraid 6?
07:43:35 PMSongbird I remember using a computer in 1974. It was HUGE. lol
07:43:39 PMJeffWeston Very old school
07:43:43 PMGoodGuy98 He had a computer store add a backplane with several keyboard controllers
07:43:47 PMjlim nice
07:43:51 PMrevdjenk wow Songbird me too
07:44:07 PMjlim lovin lvm
07:44:08 PMdooley_da_vulcan HAHAHA @ RobbieF small hard drives...... 450 GIG that points to tech
07:44:10 PMSongbird They were so cool revdjenk. I was excited by it
07:44:25 PMGoodGuy98 I have a couple old Promise IDE controllers to add extra IDE ports
07:44:26 PMrevdjenk ours was punchcard driven
07:44:47 PMSongbird The one I used was in the store called CVS.
07:45:02 PMrevdjenk the drug store?
07:45:05 PMSongbird yes
07:45:24 PMdooley_da_vulcan this is a newer card controls 8 sata
07:45:30 PMrevdjenk KelseyJ: did that? yay!!!
07:45:35 PMSongbird They had a big mirror covering the whole back of the store. We could watch people lol
07:45:47 PMjlim very sweet
07:46:06 PMKelseyJ Yes i did! It was a few weeks ago but it was very easy :
07:46:10 PMKelseyJ :)
07:46:23 PMrevdjenk !
07:46:31 PMGoodGuy98 I bought an unopened Hipoint SATA controller at a garage sale... the lady selling it was an old grandma.. Never asked how she obtained it
07:46:35 PMIslandPhotograph WOW! There's a term I haven't heard for a while.
07:46:38 PMdooley_da_vulcan so do I take it out of raid mode or what, it is setup as a raid 5 now
07:46:55 PMIslandPhotograph Larry LuJack!
07:47:37 PMrevdjenk I talked to a woman in a dr's office in Erie PA. She was one of the original programmers on the DEC alpha chip. She was one of few women in tech at that time!
07:47:59 PMSongbird My ancestors are from Erie PA. :)
07:48:07 PMIslandPhotograph cool!
07:48:29 PMrevdjenk Songbird: my daughterinlaw is a 6 or 7th generation Erie ite
07:48:46 PMSongbird Very cool revdjenk!!
07:49:11 PMrevdjenk Duggins and Frazzini
07:49:14 PMGoodGuy98 That is neat revdjenk .. I used to go to a fly tying store.. The owner used to work on making disks for Honeywell iirc
07:49:19 PMdooley_da_vulcan Make sure it isn't a bogus look a like system
07:49:27 PMsr_wences Ubuntu Mate is the best OS I've used in a few yearsm Martin Winpole is an incredible programmer.
07:49:37 PMjlim ubuntu mate is pretty awesome
07:49:49 PMGoodGuy98 I was a mainframe computer programmer
07:49:49 PMsr_wences I think I have 5 machines in my house running UBUNTU Mate.
07:50:01 PMsr_wences Martin Wimpole.
07:50:16 PMrevdjenk sr_wences: I am a boring person, been with Mint since 2008 (but with Cinnamon)
07:50:31 PMGoodGuy98 I get a MATE panel error now and then... seems to work fine if I ignore the error
07:50:42 PMIslandPhotograph So, spicy boring??
07:50:52 PMrevdjenk IslandPhotograph: hee hee
07:51:05 PMrevdjenk just not by the tablespoon!
07:51:15 PMIslandPhotograph hahaha
07:51:16 PMJeffWeston Hahaja
07:51:19 PMGoodGuy98 I use that also revdjenk .. have Ubunti MATE installed as a second linux
07:51:29 PMIslandPhotograph Cupping it, are we??
07:51:59 PMIslandPhotograph Cinnamon & Win7 are on my laptop
07:52:13 PMJeffWeston Soeak8ng if spices and tablespoon. Anyone done the cinnamon challenge?
07:52:45 PMIslandPhotograph not me
07:52:46 PMrevdjenk that's what I was hinting at... ah no and never!
07:52:53 PMGoodGuy98 I have Win7 - Win10 - Ubuntu MATE- Mythbuntu 14.04 (not setup) - Mint 17.3 Cinnamon
07:52:54 PMJeffWeston Darn fat fingers and failed autocorrect haha
07:53:12 PMrevdjenk GoodGuy98: 18 beta came available today
07:53:16 PMIslandPhotograph yeah, been having same issue
07:53:40 PMGoodGuy98 Thanks revdjenk .. I looked yesterday and didnt see anything yet
07:54:02 PMGoodGuy98 I will probably wait for it to go stable
07:54:48 PMIslandPhotograph agrred. always wait for a brief catch-up period
07:55:51 PMSongbird Geekery is cool! :)
07:56:02 PMJeffWeston Yup
07:56:19 PMIslandPhotograph geeks r us!
07:56:23 PMSongbird lol
07:56:30 PMSoundPro69 RobbieF or JeffWeston: Question: With the old method, once I am done adding the new hard drive, formatting and copying all my home folder's info into it: How do I tell Linux that now my home partition (or folder) will be dev/sd?/... please?
07:56:44 PMrevdjenk GoodGuy98: me too
07:57:24 PMjlim RobbieF: you don't like the new gnome 3?
07:57:27 PMGarbee fsdisk edit.
07:57:36 PMjlim just say yes
07:57:41 PMGarbee Also, best to use GUUID's vs /dev/ assignment.
07:57:43 PMGoodGuy98 fstab updates SoundPro69
07:58:00 PMGarbee That way in case the drive path changes the fstab doesn't change.
07:58:09 PMGarbee fsdisk edit/fstab edit*
07:58:14 PMrevdjenk go longer RobbieF !!!
07:58:16 PMGarbee /etc/fstab
07:58:18 PMGoodGuy98 add a new Fstab entry for the /home partition
07:58:52 PMSoundPro69 Cool! Thanks every one!!
07:58:58 PMGarbee 'ey GoodGuy98!
07:59:01 PMGarbee Been a while.
07:59:16 PMrevdjenk hey everyone, go to patreon and give a bit to cat5 tv, and maybe they will have 2 hr shows!
07:59:18 PMsr_wences Excellent episode, and I look forward to more Geekery!
07:59:32 PMIslandPhotograph yes, more geekery!
07:59:39 PMdooley_da_vulcan ^5 GEEKERY
07:59:39 PMsr_wences I'll miss next week becasue we have our annual coached v. 8th graders lacrosse game.
07:59:43 PMjwmp Like. +1.
07:59:50 PMsr_wences Like +1
08:00:03 PMIslandPhotograph +1
08:00:06 PMjlim RobbieF: you don't like the new gnome 3?
08:00:07 PMSongbird LOL
08:00:09 PMsr_wences Whoa Kelsey! Harshing on Robbie.
08:00:14 PMrevdjenk max weston
08:00:34 PMdooley_da_vulcan Max Weston.......yeah
08:00:36 PMIslandPhotograph matt Frewer
08:00:36 PMrevdjenk jeff headroom
08:00:39 PMsr_wences 80s references...
08:00:53 PMdooley_da_vulcan Kelsey would be REALLY lost
08:00:56 PMjlim great show on lvm!
08:00:57 PMGarbee First full live show in a long time.
08:01:00 PMrevdjenk bye RobbieF bye KelseyJ bye JeffWeston
08:01:03 PMGarbee For me watching ^^
08:01:04 PMNateUK great show RobbieF, KelseyJ, JeffWeston
08:01:22 PMsr_wences TTFN!
08:01:30 PMdooley_da_vulcan Later RobbieF, KelseyJ and JeffWeston
08:01:31 PMSongbird Thanks so much Robbie, Jeff and Kelsey!
08:01:36 PMsr_wences SOmeone turn off the cameraa!
08:01:37 PMSoundPro69 Bye!! End of line
08:01:40 PMjwmp Cheers RobbieF
08:01:41 PMdooley_da_vulcan like he is really there
08:01:44 PMsr_wences Word to your mother!
08:01:45 PMSoundPro69 :-)
08:01:46 PMrevdjenk trash to go out, then All About Android at twit.tv
08:01:58 PMrevdjenk bye everyone!!!
08:02:06 PMNateUK take care revdjenk
08:02:08 PMSongbird bye revdjenk
08:02:19 PMdooley_da_vulcan lol
08:02:21 PMsr_wences Drive safely (not like Jeff)
08:02:26 PMSongbird lol
08:02:29 PMdooley_da_vulcan she used it correctly
08:02:33 PMSongbird Take care all! :D
08:03:30 PMdooley_da_vulcan so anyone have any recommendations on setting up unraid 6 with a promise controller setup as a raid 5
08:04:00 PMdooley_da_vulcan machine has like 6-8 drives in it
08:04:15 PMdooley_da_vulcan 300 gig to 1.2 tb
08:04:39 PMNateUK i tried unraid .. didnt like it ... found it to be very clunky for a file system .. so sorry cannot help on that one
08:05:49 PMdooley_da_vulcan I thank you NateUK and I tried giving creds for the kodi build also
08:06:06 PMNateUK thanks .. dooley_da_vulcan ..
08:06:19 PMdooley_da_vulcan you are welcome.
08:06:21 PMNateUK sorry must of missed it .. havent been on irc ..
08:06:51 PMNateUK I am sticking with freenas ... better handle of file system ... also do not have to pay for extra hd's
08:06:56 PMdooley_da_vulcan here in the room a bit ago when Robbie was telling how to find Cat5 on Kodi
08:07:18 PMdooley_da_vulcan does it do the app serving as well
08:07:52 PMRobbieF Thanks all!
08:08:06 PMNateUK yes .. i run plex .. sickbeard and also virtualbox ... all from it .. it uses jails before even docker was a thing .. uses ZFS if you have heard of it which is an up and coming file system even on linux ...
08:08:13 PMGoodGuy98 I thought I watched a video and the creator said Unraid had Proxmox or something like it
08:08:36 PMNateUK Proxmox is awsome ... GoodGuy98
08:09:02 PMGoodGuy98 I downloaded a video about it, but haven't watched it yet
08:09:24 PMGoodGuy98 HAK5 did a show on it a year or more ago also
08:10:35 PMGoodGuy98 My PC is a wiring disaster... I have a spare hard drive I would like to add, but I don't feel well enough to mess with it
08:10:46 PMNateUK yeah there have been some podcasts covering it ... was a very good virtual system ... the problem i had in the end was clustering ... for some reason back on version 2 it had many problems .. in the end had to go other ways ...
08:11:09 PMNateUK but as a single system very good
08:11:10 PMGoodGuy98 It is an Antec 900 case and it looks like you have to pull a cage out
08:11:19 PMdooley_da_vulcan will check into it, so it looks like unraid6 is doing similar while coming to the party late? same features as freenas with ZFS and using jails?
08:11:40 PMGoodGuy98 The power supply isnt modular and it looks like a plate of pasta it is so messy
08:12:19 PMNateUK very much so dooley_da_vulcan ... FreeNas is a major BSD factor ... and the creators of FreeNas are major server system suppliers
08:12:38 PMNateUK i would say cable clips GoodGuy98 lol but i know people who hate them lol
08:13:42 PMGoodGuy98 It looks like I would have to disconnect wires all over and I am hurting enough where I am not in the mod
08:13:45 PMdooley_da_vulcan what configuration will I want to do with the promise card? take it out of raid mode, still use it? it is a raid 5 setup now
08:14:25 PMGoodGuy98 I have a bunch of cable ties laying around, but the wires are weaved all over
08:14:59 PMdooley_da_vulcan GoodGuy98 I feel your pain, I am so messed up I fail to go down stairs to take pain meds, so I have sat in bed to watch tonights show with live show on tv and laptop
08:15:08 PMdooley_da_vulcan I hope you get to feeling better
08:15:20 PMNateUK I use no hardware raid perosnally .. the main reason for this .. what happens if your hardware raid dies ... need to move to a new server etc ? ... you are screwed unless you have massive backups ... I always use software raid ok .. not always the best solution but ZFS in FreeNas does all the work for you
08:15:30 PMdooley_da_vulcan for the chat room
08:16:04 PMdooley_da_vulcan so be best to just use the 6 sata controllers built into the main board
08:16:46 PMNateUK thats my perosnal choice for the server software to do it itself .. each to their own .. but I can move my raid to another server if the server dies ...
08:16:59 PMGoodGuy98 I thought the latest Linux builds have ZFS builtin
08:17:40 PMGoodGuy98 Maybe Mint 18 will include it
08:17:51 PMNateUK they do GoodGuy98 and Ubuntu are supporting it "ish" but Linux ZFS is way behind all the nice features of BSD .. considering BSD are the lead in it for the most part
08:18:35 PMNateUK do not get me wrong here .. I use as many ubuntu servers as possible for web servers etc ... but as a backbone they are all on ZFS on FreeNAS
08:19:24 PMNateUK my thinkpad is Ubuntu-Mate ... and is the best for development ... so I believe in a tool for each thing .. but suggest Windows 10 and I will cry lol
08:19:35 PMdooley_da_vulcan BSD is what mac os is written in is it not
08:19:44 PMNateUK sort of
08:19:57 PMGoodGuy98 modified heavily dooley_da_vulcan
08:20:12 PMNateUK their backbone is much of BSD but they bring so much more to the table for their users
08:20:44 PMdooley_da_vulcan but isn't that why they share the security features of linux
08:20:51 PMGoodGuy98 yes high price tags included at no extra charge... for them anyway! :-)
08:20:53 PMdooley_da_vulcan or similar
08:21:32 PMNateUK lol GoodGuy98 I am sitting on a macbook pro at the moment lol .. the price is way to heavy ... but the build is very good ...
08:22:16 PMGoodGuy98 I havent looked in quite awhile, but I thought I read that BSD wants to use the whole hard drive for the boot drive
08:22:34 PMNateUK yes very much so dooley_da_vulcan ... BSD and Linux run close lines .. but each have their pros and cons ...
08:22:43 PMNateUK same as unraid ...
08:22:59 PMGoodGuy98 so I didnt install it because I have multiple partiitions with various OSes
08:23:02 PMNateUK so using a usb stick is the best way
08:23:18 PMdooley_da_vulcan if I had kids at home wanting games and finances was an issue, I would think you could make them happy with each one getting a retro pi system and still be ahead financially
08:23:23 PMNateUK I do not use BSD directly .. only backbone ..
08:23:33 PMdooley_da_vulcan so does freenas load off of a flashdrive also
08:23:43 PMNateUK yes dooley_da_vulcan
08:24:01 PMGoodGuy98 I have played with NAS4Free in a Virtualbox VM
08:24:31 PMNateUK but if it goes down unlike unraid .. you dont need to get a code from FreeNAS to reinstall the raid (volumes as they are called)
08:24:41 PMdooley_da_vulcan that does not mean much anymore when you can get them in almost any size... I seen a 128 usb 3 so what the heck, saying it fits on a flash drive really does not mean a lot
08:24:54 PMNateUK NAS4Free is very simular to FreeBSD
08:24:54 PMGoodGuy98 Used to have it on an old PC, but that hardware died... It wouldn't update properly and finally just gave up the ghost
08:25:11 PMNateUK I have mine running on 8gig
08:25:22 PMNateUK USB
08:25:31 PMdooley_da_vulcan h, so it seems unraid is mimicking freenas and throwing on a cash cabel
08:25:42 PMdooley_da_vulcan cable
08:26:37 PMGoodGuy98 I was thinking of emailing Alan Jude of Jupiter Broadcasting and asking if I can share a hard drive with other Oses.. Just never got around to it
08:26:43 PMNateUK I get a company has to make money to survive .. however i would have paid for a support thing from unraid .. but to charge me for harddrives that I have had to pay for in the beginning is harsh in my books
08:26:47 PMGoodGuy98 He would know if anyone does
08:27:04 PMNateUK Allan Jude ;) GoodGuy98 with two l's lol
08:27:16 PMdooley_da_vulcan I am afraid that the retro games and the abandon ware might all fade away behind a cash wall and manufacturers that were bought and died away will come out wanting to chase people
08:27:31 PMGoodGuy98 sorry.. my middle name is Alan, so I am used to that :-)
08:28:04 PMNateUK hahah my late father was with one l ... thats why i remember Allan's cause it was weird to me lol
08:28:35 PMNateUK but to say .. I would ask Allan ... yes defo ... he is the best person on that ..
08:28:37 PMdooley_da_vulcan charging you more for more of your own hardware is a bit much it seems, not that you get more from them for the extra fee
08:29:04 PMGoodGuy98 I thought UnRaid had all the extra virtualization features which FreeNas doesn't that I am aware of, but no expert here
08:29:09 PMNateUK yes dooley_da_vulcan also if you scp or rsync over it seems very clunky
08:29:40 PMNateUK FreeBSD has a plugin built in to run virtualbox in a webbrowser
08:29:52 PMGoodGuy98 Maybe UnRaid should add tiers.. a couple extra HDs for $20 etc
08:29:53 PMdooley_da_vulcan what speed of machine was you running on?
08:30:19 PMNateUK AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
08:30:27 PMNateUK thats my perosnal one
08:30:32 PMGoodGuy98 From zero to over $100 is a big jump for advanced home users
08:30:41 PMNateUK i have xeon's running for my company
08:30:58 PMdooley_da_vulcan so I could copy my VMs over and load up into the freenas virtual box
08:32:13 PMdooley_da_vulcan that is a bit of a jump. for anything to be clunky on an 8 core machine is unacceptable unless you had it doing loads of other stuff
08:33:02 PMGoodGuy98 My wife is a sweetie and would probably say yes if I asked nice enough.. but it would be unfair
08:33:31 PMNateUK yes also I have 4 network cards in my servers .. unraid uses 1 ... even when i link 2 by 2 .. it will only use one .. so speeds are very slow in my eyes
08:33:53 PMGoodGuy98 If she asked why do you need some super expensive chip like that.. no honest answer
08:34:20 PMdooley_da_vulcan Good night to you all, and thank you for the info. I will check it out. it doesnt have options to use other cards
08:34:27 PMGoodGuy98 Night dooley_da_vulcan
08:35:09 PMGoodGuy98 How do you get so many free slots for NIC's NateUK ?
08:35:33 PMNateUK nite dooley_da_vulcan take care
08:35:39 PMNateUK 4 card NIC card ..
08:35:43 PMGoodGuy98 I am just a home user
08:35:49 PMdooley_da_vulcan brought up the website and saved in favs. good night again to all
08:36:00 PMGoodGuy98 Hmm I didnt realize they made such a thing
08:36:35 PMNateUK yes ...
08:36:54 PMGoodGuy98 a couple years ago I used to watch a few episodes of a VODcast called Too Smart Guys
08:37:53 PMGoodGuy98 One time they discussed a gadget that seemed to plug into a motherboard slot and added an extra box with more slots and room for extra drives
08:37:53 PMNateUK i think i saw them .. they closed down a while ago right ?
08:38:20 PMGoodGuy98 I think so NateUK .. I used to watch in Miro and that seemed to dies
08:38:25 PMGoodGuy98 die
08:40:10 PMNateUK you could use something like an esata for home with connection to say an external box of storages
08:40:48 PMNateUK for servers something like a SAS card would also do the trick
08:42:36 PMGoodGuy98 I do have a couple brackets for eSATA.. my mobo has two external eSATA ports
08:43:18 PMGoodGuy98 and last week a local garage sage guy had a spare Gigabyte eSATA bracket for $1
08:43:32 PMNateUK you can find on amazon etc different storage external devices that use that .. it is like adding them directly to the motherboard
08:44:24 PMGoodGuy98 It had two ports and a powered molex connector in between.. have to hook it up to a connector
08:45:19 PMGoodGuy98 I thought it was kind of neat, but wish it had a plastic plug to prevent accidently touching it and shorting out
08:46:09 PMNateUK i would assume there were safe guards or would hope so
08:46:10 PMGoodGuy98 I found another one for sale at MicroCenter, so I picked that up as well
08:46:41 PMGoodGuy98 Misus the molex... My PC is so old it only has USB2
08:47:04 PMGoodGuy98 So ESATA is about as fast as it gets
08:47:28 PMNateUK nothing wrong with old tech ... some of the best pc's / laptops are old tech .. IBM ThickPad comes to mind
08:48:18 PMGoodGuy98 I already have two external hard drives connected which I use for occasional backups
08:48:26 PMGoodGuy98 smaller drives
08:48:59 PMNateUK I can pay what £69 english for a 2gig dual core thinkpad .. chuck a 120gig ssd (£30) in it .. and buy 2 gig more memory (£20) and still cheaper than a low end chromebook lol
08:49:32 PMGoodGuy98 with a couple extra eSATA connectors, I could connect a 2TB drive also with unplugging and replugging
08:50:08 PMNateUK just make sure your motherboard handles hotswap .. some even though they have an esata cannot do a good job of it
08:50:29 PMGoodGuy98 I am pretty much homebound, so laptops arent that useful in my situation
08:50:54 PMGoodGuy98 I just reboot rather that trust hot swap
08:51:54 PMGoodGuy98 I need to run.... typing too long hurts
08:52:10 PMNateUK ok ... have a good day or evening .. take care
08:52:16 PMGoodGuy98 Nice chatting NateUK ... thanks for the ideas
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