| 6:58:05 PM | HenryBB | rave! lol
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| 6:58:24 PM | Solbu | SashaD2: We can use out binoculars, on the beach. :-)
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| 6:58:31 PM | sparklyballs | it's a close point cos the early atlantic crossings left or went to newfoundland
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| 6:59:20 PM | SashaD2 | Then you can come!!!!
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| 6:59:44 PM | garywhite | Did I miss a Doctor Who conversation?
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| 6:59:51 PM | sparklyballs | i don't have an early biplane handy though
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| 7:00:03 PM | sparklyballs | taking bets on the next doctor garywhite
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| 7:00:14 PM | SashaD2 | Darn
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| 7:00:26 PM | garywhite | I'm not placing a bet, cause I'm really not sure
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| 7:00:46 PM | sparklyballs | i've had my fill of weddings for the next 200 years SashaD2
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| 7:00:55 PM | SashaD2 | I hear ya!
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| 7:01:44 PM | sparklyballs | we have the largest airshow in the northwest of the uk over the beach here in southport HenryBB
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| 7:02:21 PM | napa_polarbear | hi all
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| 7:02:40 PM | Lyndon | Whats up with the dalek
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| 7:02:45 PM | sparklyballs | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southport_Airshow
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| 7:02:55 PM | Lyndon | oh.. sorry lag
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| 7:03:11 PM | HenryBB | phil the dalek is a guest
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| 7:04:17 PM | Solbu | «Today on Category5: How to register on our new forum»
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| 7:04:18 PM | sparklyballs | i reckon the next doctor is gonna be a woman
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| 7:04:34 PM | Lyndon | oh please no
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| 7:04:45 PM | sparklyballs | dinky drone SashaD2 alliteration is all
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| 7:05:40 PM | sparklyballs | gemma arterton for the doctor , lol.
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| 7:06:10 PM | Lyndon | I'm sure that there are some awesome female actresses that could pull of the role but it would still feel weird.
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| 7:06:38 PM | sparklyballs | na, it wasn't weird when the master became missy
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| 7:07:03 PM | Lyndon | eh...
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| 7:08:03 PM | Lyndon | that looks fun
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| 7:08:49 PM | HenryBB | hey audio ;)
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| 7:09:03 PM | Lyndon | I cant hear you audio
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| 7:09:11 PM | audio | Hey HBB
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| 7:09:15 PM | Lyndon | haha
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| 7:09:25 PM | sparklyballs | audio needs subtitles
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| 7:09:31 PM | audio | Turn me up louder
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| 7:09:38 PM | Lyndon | oh ok
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| 7:09:45 PM | Lyndon | ;)
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| 7:10:20 PM | garywhite | BTW, Amazon had a deal on the weekend, & thanks to that I was able to get Doctor Who Series 7 on Bluray for $20
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| 7:10:26 PM | HenryBB | ohhh!
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| 7:10:36 PM | Lyndon | Cool
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| 7:13:38 PM | Lyndon | groovy music!
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| 7:15:58 PM | MoeMaravilla | Hello everyone... Have not connected live on the chat for a while now.
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| 7:16:22 PM | audio | Hello Moe
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| 7:16:30 PM | HenryBB | hello hello!
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| 7:16:30 PM | RobbieF | Hey MoeMaravilla! Nice to see you.
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| 7:16:36 PM | M1k3_0 | heyMoe
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| 7:16:56 PM | TheFu | The paper-dude is missing the 4am timeframe and rain, based on my experience.
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| 7:17:10 PM | HenryBB | hehe nice
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| 7:17:46 PM | TheFu | Delivering papers when it is 40 below outside, in the dark, ain't fun.
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| 7:18:08 PM | audio | Did you break a window?
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| 7:18:16 PM | HenryBB | yeah... lol
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| 7:18:30 PM | MoeMaravilla | Looks like fun
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| 7:18:39 PM | sparklyballs | pop a wheelie over the roadblocks
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| 7:18:44 PM | Lyndon | yay
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| 7:18:48 PM | HenryBB | totally
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| 7:18:52 PM | TheFu | And you are throwing more papers than you have customers. Running out won't be good.
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| 7:18:52 PM | M1k3_0 | Nice
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| 7:19:17 PM | Lyndon | awesome graphics wow!
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| 7:19:39 PM | Lyndon | pvp
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| 7:20:47 PM | M1k3_0 | Deadspace ish
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| 7:20:58 PM | sparklyballs | that would count as a bad day
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| 7:21:16 PM | HenryBB | pretty much deadspace
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| 7:21:58 PM | sparklyballs | i was wondering about that accent
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| 7:22:17 PM | TheFu | Prague rocks!
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| 7:22:21 PM | M1k3_0 | I bet that was fun to play in VR
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| 7:22:36 PM | HenryBB | the spoops
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| 7:22:42 PM | HenryBB | lol was pretty fun!
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| 7:22:56 PM | Lyndon | dead space is on steam $19.99 I just looked it up
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| 7:23:11 PM | M1k3_0 | nice
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| 7:23:25 PM | HenryBB | Get it! Dead space 1 is one of the best horror games I've played
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| 7:23:32 PM | HenryBB | 2 is ok, 3 is meh..
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| 7:28:13 PM | HenryBB | sorry about the last interview all, forgot to press "record" on the mic :P
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| 7:29:48 PM | audio | Needs more audio!
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| 7:29:53 PM | Lyndon | That reminds me of that new interactive game table / flat screen tv
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| 7:31:17 PM | Lyndon | https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/playtable/images/product/ash_wood_render.png
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| 7:31:45 PM | audio | I missed the top of the show. Did anyone wish Henry a Happy birthday?
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| 7:32:03 PM | Lyndon | not sure
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| 7:32:17 PM | SashaD2 | not live.... we re3ally should now
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| 7:32:24 PM | Lyndon | I missed the beginning too
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| 7:32:27 PM | HenryBB | oh thanks lol
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| 7:32:36 PM | M1k3_0 | Woke up late. I got in when they were starting up
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| 7:32:39 PM | sparklyballs | happy birthday HenryBB
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| 7:32:46 PM | Lyndon | Happy Birthday!!!
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| 7:33:00 PM | HenryBB |
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| 7:33:02 PM | audio | Happy Birthday!
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| 7:33:03 PM | MoeMaravilla | Happy b-day Henry
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| 7:33:06 PM | M1k3_0 | Nice. Happy Birthday HenryBB!!!
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| 7:33:14 PM | sparklyballs | cooking lessons for robots would be a good use of VR
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| 7:33:31 PM | HenryBB | yum...
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| 7:33:55 PM | TheFu | Extreme sports for VR
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| 7:34:01 PM | sparklyballs | i'm double that and a little more lol
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| 7:34:04 PM | Lyndon | Virtual Cake =)
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| 7:34:14 PM | HenryBB | the cake is a lie!
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| 7:34:21 PM | HenryBB | -sorry couldn't resist reference
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| 7:34:27 PM | Lyndon | hehehe
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| 7:35:01 PM | MoeMaravilla | I'm just 33 (in hex).
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| 7:35:46 PM | sparklyballs | i'm 32 in hex
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| 7:36:22 PM | sparklyballs | diverted where SashaD2 ?
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| 7:36:58 PM | sparklyballs | you murdered that uk place name lol
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| 7:37:36 PM | sparklyballs | bourne like jason bourne
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| 7:37:43 PM | TheFu | Aren't drones on 2.4Ghz bands?
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| 7:37:56 PM | Lyndon | most i think
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| 7:38:17 PM | sparklyballs | and the mouth part of bournemouth is like mirth
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| 7:38:27 PM | TheFu | So if you overload those, think of all the BT and wifi that gets fried just because it is nearby too?
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| 7:40:54 PM | Lyndon | something small like that wouldn't explode the engine but they would have bad vibrations
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| 7:41:08 PM | TheFu | Engine makers care more. Fuel costs are over 50% of the cost of a commercial plane over the life of the airframe.
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| 7:41:18 PM | Lyndon | even birds dont really do That much damage
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| 7:41:31 PM | sparklyballs | and if a high speed aircraft has something hit the engine, not only do you have the object doing damage but the mesh too cos there isn't much can take that kind of beating
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| 7:41:34 PM | TheFu | Frozen turkies do. ;)
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| 7:41:39 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Hello all
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| 7:41:41 PM | Lyndon | i used to be a Jet Engine Mech
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| 7:41:47 PM | BobK54 | a small drone could easily take out a fan blade. remember the recent video of an aircraft shaking badly for 90 minutes?
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| 7:41:49 PM | TheFu | ASE here.
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| 7:41:59 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | UFO ......
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| 7:42:12 PM | Lyndon | bird strikes are awful to clean up though
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| 7:42:30 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | more ways to mine and collect data from more places
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| 7:42:53 PM | HenryBB | haha can def relate with cleaning up whats left
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| 7:42:55 PM | Lyndon | i guess it depends on the aircraft too
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| 7:42:55 PM | TheFu | They shoot chickens at aircraft parts to see how well they handle "bird strikes." The joke is that someone forgot to thaw it first, once.
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| 7:43:18 PM | sparklyballs | and that's how they make chicken nuggets TheFu
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| 7:43:28 PM | Lyndon | Myth Busters
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| 7:43:31 PM | Lyndon | ;)
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| 7:43:31 PM | TheFu | More like chicken dust
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| 7:43:36 PM | BobK54 | saw one feeder aircraft in a hanger one time where a goose went through the leading edge, through the main spar, and was lodged in the trailing edge of the main wing. Cleanup on aisle 3!!
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| 7:43:56 PM | TheFu | Space shuttle accident.
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| 7:43:57 PM | Lyndon | Wow
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| 7:44:07 PM | HenryBB | ouch
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| 7:44:20 PM | sparklyballs | a uk program when i was a kid fired a candle through a solid core oak door with some hyper powered air cannon
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| 7:44:51 PM | Lyndon | Thats awesome
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| 7:44:53 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | the public has to make sure they take extra steps to be safe.....the way of the future
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| 7:44:59 PM | TheFu | We shot bullets and captured photos of the shock waves in college.
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| 7:46:02 PM | TheFu | supersonic wind tunnel ...
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| 7:47:05 PM | Lyndon | one of our jets were shot in one of the engine with a rocket while running and i think 2 stages of the turbine section flew into the fuselage and wing
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| 7:47:12 PM | albertr | Hey
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| 7:47:33 PM | TheFu | Lyndon: Ouch - need a better cowling
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| 7:47:48 PM | TheFu | vorbis - FTW!
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| 7:48:02 PM | Lyndon | well.. it was a rocket so ;)
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| 7:48:52 PM | Lyndon | the jet came back whith sheet metal patches all over it. Kindof looked like a cartoon jet
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| 7:49:12 PM | SashaD2 | I'm so sorry Sparklyballs... I should have asked you first!!!!
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| 7:49:17 PM | Lyndon | no one got hurt though thankfuly
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| 7:49:43 PM | TheFu | I figured it was just her Canadian accent. ;)
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| 7:50:33 PM | TheFu | But I didn't know how to pronounce it either. ;(
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| 7:50:47 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | SashaD2: Leave the hair across the face, actually looks good.... just look at models, they often have that kind of look. lol
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| 7:51:00 PM | SashaD2 | I'm just really horrible with names.... really bad
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| 7:51:27 PM | TheFu | SashaD2: Part of your special charm.
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| 7:51:36 PM | Lyndon | lol
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| 7:51:38 PM | sparklyballs | hardly any uk places sound like they read
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| 7:52:12 PM | MoeMaravilla | Vinnyl is king.
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| 7:52:20 PM | Lyndon | now shes going to think about her hair for the rest of the show
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| 7:52:26 PM | MoeMaravilla | vinyl that is.
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| 7:52:29 PM | SashaD2 | yep
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| 7:53:23 PM | TheFu | MoeMaravilla: vinyl is great, for about 50 playbacks.
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| 7:53:42 PM | Lyndon | Sasha Gets it ;)
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| 7:54:00 PM | TheFu | Whoooosh
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| 7:54:54 PM | Lyndon | I have respect for all authors. I have been trying to finish the rough draft for my SciFi novel and its so hard to keep writing.
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| 7:55:15 PM | Lyndon | Laa meee
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| 7:55:40 PM | Lyndon | like Frajeelay
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| 7:55:42 PM | MoeMaravilla | TheFu: you get aliasing with digitizing (you don't really drop the highs - like Robbie said)
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| 7:55:48 PM | sparklyballs | gold lah mee suit
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| 7:55:51 PM | TheFu | nano? Say is ain't so RobbieF!
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| 7:56:03 PM | sparklyballs | nano is great
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| 7:56:04 PM | SashaD2 | I just love reading so much that I wish I could write! Lyndon, you can do it!
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| 7:56:05 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | RobbieF: so did you have to only remark out the CD as a source or add the actual repository source
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| 7:56:06 PM | Lyndon | haaa
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| 7:56:22 PM | Lyndon | Thanks SashaD2
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| 7:56:24 PM | TheFu | sudo apt purge nano - the first thing I type on a new system.
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| 7:56:38 PM | sparklyballs | vim is just so user friendly lol
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| 7:56:50 PM | TheFu | Flashbacks to LUKSdump.
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| 7:57:07 PM | Lyndon | Dont forget the MAP
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| 7:57:11 PM | sparklyballs | i like nano
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| 7:57:29 PM | Lyndon | that was hilarious
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| 7:57:43 PM | TheFu | Until you see vim in the hands of an expert, you have NO idea of the power.
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| 7:57:55 PM | SashaD2 | so funny.... I hurt from laughing the next day
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| 7:58:05 PM | Garbee | Heyyo
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| 7:58:07 PM | Lyndon | me too
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| 7:58:10 PM | Garbee | Just realized what time it was!
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| 7:58:11 PM | Lyndon | OMG
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| 7:58:12 PM | Garbee | :(
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| 7:58:18 PM | Lyndon | woah!
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| 7:58:23 PM | Lyndon | crazy
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| 7:58:27 PM | TheFu | 7:58p?
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| 7:58:35 PM | Garbee | Yea, show hour.
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| 7:58:38 PM | M1k3_0 | hate when that happens
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| 7:58:43 PM | Garbee | er hour-ish now.
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| 7:58:51 PM | TheFu | lame --presets help
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| 7:58:57 PM | Garbee | I don't mind too much though. I had tacos.
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| 7:59:05 PM | SashaD2 | mmmmm food.
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| 7:59:15 PM | TheFu | Tacos are almost always excellent!
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| 7:59:26 PM | SashaD2 | I'm so hungry (which seems to be a bit of a theme)
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| 7:59:28 PM | sparklyballs | i like food
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| 7:59:30 PM | Lyndon | I grilled a T-bone earlier
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| 7:59:40 PM | Lyndon | mmmmm
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| 7:59:42 PM | Garbee | TheFu: Taco Bell... Hard to mess up, but mine were mostly coldish by the time I ate them. Thanks fast-food.
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| 8:00:03 PM | Garbee | SashaD2: Yea, Food is a big theme for Cat5 live.
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| 8:00:06 PM | sparklyballs | aside from fish and shellfish make me so ill
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| 8:00:07 PM | Garbee | ;)
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| 8:00:17 PM | Garbee | sparklyballs: The fish shell is amazing.
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| 8:00:23 PM | Garbee | Although I am looking at elvish lately.
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| 8:00:24 PM | SashaD2 | I'm in the mood for Mexican. Spicy
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| 8:00:29 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | SashaD2: don't you have a pizza place down the strip?
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| 8:00:29 PM | Garbee | https://elvish.io/
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| 8:00:35 PM | TheFu | Crab curry day here.
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| 8:00:36 PM | Garbee | Has some JSON interpretation stuff built in.
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| 8:00:52 PM | Garbee | Ok, dog wants out. Be back in a few.
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| 8:01:04 PM | Lyndon | I have some cabernet sauvignon here
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| 8:01:18 PM | Lyndon | went good with the steak
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| 8:01:20 PM | SashaD2 | The closest place is salad.... but I'm in a carb mood
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| 8:01:35 PM | sparklyballs | it's 1 am here and i have h2o
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| 8:01:49 PM | Lyndon | I've been low carb for like a month now. ugh
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| 8:02:11 PM | HenryBB | you are all making me hungry now!
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| 8:02:15 PM | Lyndon | good for you SB
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| 8:02:23 PM | Lyndon | =)
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| 8:02:34 PM | TheFu | SashaD2: Croutons - lots of croutons.
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| 8:02:36 PM | SashaD2 | I "should" be eating better... however, my wedding dress in actually one size fits all... so I could have nachos
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| 8:02:52 PM | Lyndon | lol.. noooo bad croutons!
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| 8:02:58 PM | TheFu | Shouldn't someone listen to Robbie?
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| 8:03:08 PM | Lyndon | meh
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| 8:03:13 PM | sparklyballs | salad is ok on something fatty or meaty
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| 8:03:21 PM | M1k3_0 | LOL got it covered :)
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| 8:03:21 PM | TheFu | The guy know his audio.
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| 8:03:24 PM | SashaD2 | I will. starting now
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| 8:03:41 PM | Lyndon | we can rewatch on youtube and then make more coments Mwa haha
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| 8:03:44 PM | MoeMaravilla | I think you guys are making Sasha Laugh.
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| 8:04:00 PM | Lyndon | yup
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| 8:04:02 PM | TheFu | Isn't that the goal for IRC every show?
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| 8:04:16 PM | Lyndon | yes... it is
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| 8:04:26 PM | SashaD2 | :)
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| 8:04:38 PM | sparklyballs | we need JW to make laugh on the live show
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| 8:04:44 PM | Lyndon | Jk SashaD2
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| 8:04:46 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | SashaD2: loves food for thought... lol
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| 8:04:56 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | no calories
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| 8:04:59 PM | sparklyballs | i need pizza
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| 8:05:12 PM | TheFu | Lame doesn't have to be this hard. There are presets.
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| 8:05:13 PM | Lyndon | Bad Pizza
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| 8:05:23 PM | Lyndon | too many complex carbs
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| 8:05:46 PM | Lyndon | wow, thats actually neet
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| 8:05:55 PM | sparklyballs | i'm compensating for my lack of complexity
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| 8:06:05 PM | TheFu | lame --preset phone
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| 8:06:07 PM | SashaD2 | We have an awesome wood fired pizza place here, it's the best. Heavenly
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| 8:06:21 PM | HenryBB | PIZZA
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| 8:06:25 PM | TheFu | lame --preset hifi
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| 8:06:57 PM | sparklyballs | mediainfo is a monster to compile
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| 8:07:25 PM | Lyndon | aahhh
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| 8:07:36 PM | sparklyballs | channels
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| 8:07:41 PM | TheFu | You can write a script that parses mplayer -I output.
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| 8:07:55 PM | Lyndon | I love the voice RobbieF
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| 8:08:25 PM | MoeMaravilla | Cool Robbie
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| 8:08:48 PM | TheFu | ogg or vorbis get better audio quality for fewer bits too.
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| 8:08:57 PM | TheFu | If your player supports it.
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| 8:09:14 PM | TheFu | Vorbis is supported more and more. Not an issue on my Android devices.
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| 8:09:36 PM | albertr | lame is good
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| 8:09:38 PM | Lyndon | Video froze
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| 8:09:53 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | So lame is not lame ?!
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| 8:10:16 PM | Lyndon | guess not
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| 8:10:25 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Go eat SashaD2 and enjoy it...
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| 8:10:27 PM | Garbee | hmm, time to look into setting up an OBS repository for Elvish in the next few days.
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| 8:10:33 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Thank you all
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| 8:10:34 PM | Garbee | See if I can get it auto-building and distributing.
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| 8:10:46 PM | TheFu | Don't forget the lead-in.
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| 8:10:50 PM | sparklyballs | gnite all
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| 8:10:52 PM | BobK54 | good stuff as usual! have a great week!
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| 8:10:53 PM | MoeMaravilla | Bye to all... That was fun.
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| 8:11:00 PM | SashaD2 | Thank you!!!! TheFu
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| 8:11:09 PM | Garbee | I watched the new Power Rangers movie yesterday (and this morning.)
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| 8:11:15 PM | Garbee | *SO* much better than I was expecting.
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| 8:11:35 PM | Garbee | I think they did very well for a universal reboot movie.
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| 8:11:44 PM | Lyndon | you got it Henry
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| 8:11:50 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | I think the new PR movie was great. Made me want a sequel 1/4 of the way through
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| 8:12:02 PM | TheFu | Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday,
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| 8:12:03 PM | Garbee | Dooley_da_Vulcan: I have *one* sole major complaint.
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| 8:12:09 PM | Garbee | Krispy Kreme.
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| 8:12:12 PM | Garbee | UGH
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| 8:12:26 PM | Garbee | That one part of the movie I literally hated. It's such obvious paid placement.
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| 8:12:34 PM | Garbee | And they laid it on thick.
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| 8:12:38 PM | sparklyballs | reboot aka new name for cash in remake that sounds a little more cool and not as explotative but is exactly the same anyways
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| 8:12:41 PM | TheFu | Garbee: Krispy Kreme rocks!
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| 8:12:49 PM | Garbee | Other than that, the movie is amazing.
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| 8:12:57 PM | RobbieF | Wooo! what a show!
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| 8:13:16 PM | Garbee | TheFu: don't get me wrong, I love my donuts too. But, they literally could have put anything there and it not mattered save one joke.
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| 8:13:23 PM | Lyndon | Yes. the VR show was very cool
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| 8:13:34 PM | Garbee | And that one joke was really surplifuous too.
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| 8:13:51 PM | Garbee | So, I hated the constant Krispy Kreme referencing.
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| 8:13:51 PM | Lyndon | Eat some Pizza, you earned it!
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| 8:14:07 PM | Garbee | or some donut snow if you're in a carbs mood SashaD2.
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| 8:14:24 PM | Garbee | I think that Krispy Kreme talk from the Power Rangers movie should do that to ya.
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| 8:14:25 PM | Garbee | ;)
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| 8:14:38 PM | Lyndon | hahaha
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| 8:14:58 PM | Garbee | But yea, that's my only complaint for that whole movie.
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| 8:15:00 PM | SashaD2 | I'm probably going to end up with grilled cheese :)
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| 8:15:12 PM | Garbee | I think the entire team, directing, acting, writing, etc. did a superb job.
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| 8:15:12 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Later all, have a good week. Trying to determine what distro to use.
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| 8:15:27 PM | SashaD2 | Tank you and good night!!
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| 8:15:35 PM | Lyndon | oohh, Grilled cheeses with tomato is awesome! see y'all!
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| 8:15:38 PM | TheFu | mic dropped?
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| 8:15:38 PM | Garbee | Dooley_da_Vulcan: OpenSUSE is my recommendation.
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| 8:15:43 PM | Garbee | To at least give a shot.
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| 8:16:04 PM | TheFu | SashaD2: Use 2-3 different types of cheese - as wicked.
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| 8:16:09 PM | Garbee | I had to come back to Elementary because 1) Pantheon desktop, 2) PHP extension configuration through packages provides what I need more easily.
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| 8:16:12 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Garbee: have you tried the new Debian Stretch?
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| 8:16:31 PM | Garbee | Dooley_da_Vulcan: Nah, Debian itself doesn't interest me.
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| 8:16:58 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Garbee: am tending to still stroll back to Ubuntu Mate
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| 8:17:19 PM | Garbee | Elementary has my heart now due to the Pantheon Desktop. Once OpenSUSE has it stable and easy to setup... I'm eyeing to jump ship much more heavily and figure out the few server hiccups I have on SUSE.
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| 8:17:48 PM | Garbee | I have like 2 PHP extensions and 1 other server component that is being a pain in my rear to make sure get updated when needed with new PHP versions.
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| 8:17:59 PM | Garbee | Other than that, I'm basically golden beyond the desktop itself.
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| 8:18:23 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Garbee: benefits of OpenSUSE that you see for someone never having used it?
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| 8:18:36 PM | Garbee | SUSE has tons of tooling underneath too for keeping packages more up-to-date. They're faster than any other distro typically with their updates on Tumbleweed (their rolling release.)
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| 8:18:52 PM | Garbee | Also, the RPM system does delta updating. So saves some bandwidth.
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| 8:19:14 PM | Garbee | It is also secure-by-default. Which may be a good thing for you or a major PITA where you turn most of it off.
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| 8:19:22 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | desktop computing and plex server is the most complex use of this system
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| 8:19:47 PM | Garbee | And the Yast manager takes some getting used to, but it has its benefits once you figure them out (like ncurses GUI through the CLI to configure things without a desktop.)
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| 8:20:34 PM | Garbee | I'd say, if you can spare a disk or install attempt and try OpenSUSE first, go for it. If you're time-crunched on working on these things, then just stick with what you know.
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| 8:21:15 PM | Garbee | But, I *really* dig OpenSUSE all-around save the lack of my preferred DE (because the Elementary team specifically builds it for an Ubuntu-base.)
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| 8:21:51 PM | Garbee | It's not like you'll notice massive performance differences or anything though.
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| 8:22:10 PM | Garbee | It's just a different interface to package management and your desktop configuration mostly.
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| 8:22:48 PM | Garbee | Which I being a CLI user, I actually find the zypper setup more robust. Even though it is more confusing at first to learn all the ins-and-outs to script things.
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| 8:23:18 PM | Garbee | Oh, OpenSUSE's major downside though is the install process.
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| 8:23:26 PM | Garbee | In particular drive partitions!
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| 8:23:44 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | I have a collection of 500 gig mag drives for a 6 core 4ghz 16 gig system. I could do varied virtualized setups
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| 8:23:46 PM | Garbee | BE VERY CAREFUL on your first run through if you have a complex drive setup like I do!!!!
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| 8:24:11 PM | Garbee | In my case, I dump into "expert" mode and then need to "rescan drives" to clear out the auto-config they do up front.
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| 8:24:21 PM | Garbee | Then I can see all my drives as they are and modify the partitions how I wish.
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| 8:24:39 PM | Garbee | That's my one absolute utter annoyance with the installer.
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| 8:24:47 PM | Garbee | If you aren't very careful there, you can delete shit by accident.
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| 8:25:13 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | Being an old DOS user I had to learn to go to a fully GUI system and so now going back to a CLI is not any kind of issue at all, just look up the commands and switches
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| 8:26:28 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | I used to tell friends and relatives when they would ask about FDISK, ( which they always managed to ask about being totally lost in DOS) that it stood for "Fuck Up Disk"
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| 8:26:40 PM | Garbee | yea pretty much.
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| 8:27:14 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | and the less skill and experience they had the more likely they would be to ask about Fdisk
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| 8:27:21 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | you notice that
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| 8:27:31 PM | Garbee | But I love how the SUSE community kinda revolves around the OBS for repos. Like Ubuntu people do Launchpad for PPAs. But, OBS stuff is capable of also building and serving for any platform.
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| 8:27:59 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | what is OBS ?
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| 8:28:00 PM | Garbee | OpenSUSE also has *heavy* QA testing over their updates all automated.
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| 8:28:04 PM | Garbee | OpenSUSE Build Service
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| 8:28:08 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | ahh
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| 8:28:52 PM | Garbee | So, what happens is an update happens, it then runs through their QA system doing *automated testing* of any interactions required (even GUI stuff) and the screenshots are hashed and compared against what is expected.
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| 8:29:08 PM | Garbee | If it doesn't pass, an error is thrown to be looked at by a human with the diff of the images.
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| 8:29:33 PM | Garbee | They can then either approve the new change as expected or stop progression of the build until the problem is fixed.
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| 8:29:44 PM | Garbee | They do that even for DE changes to stuff in K or gnome.
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| 8:30:03 PM | Garbee | It's amazing the infrastructure they've built and it all leads to super-good quality of packages.
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| 8:30:27 PM | Garbee | I personally use Leap (their stable releases) with a crap ton of repositories from OBS to get what I need updated.
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| 8:30:52 PM | Garbee | That way the main desktop is stable (K or gnome, whatever) but my software like PHP, Redis, Nginx, etc. are all the latest and secure versions.
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| 8:32:24 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | That is cool, I would think automated testing would be or could be more thorough than human. Given enough parameter possibilities you could check combos and differences that might never arise.
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| 8:34:18 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | like testing the use of notepad in windows, automated you could test it maximizing from all positions onscreen, starting at all sizes. something that no human would do but that could some how generate an error at some poing
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| 8:34:21 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | point also
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| 8:34:36 PM | Garbee | nah, not *that* detailed.
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| 8:34:47 PM | Garbee | You mainly just want to automate primary functionality given confined parameters.
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| 8:34:54 PM | Garbee | That way the tests can be more easily maintained over time.
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| 8:35:17 PM | Garbee | If we had machine learning underneath, then your level of details in testing could be possible.
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| 8:35:23 PM | TheFu | Creating test scenarios/cases is very time consuming when a GUI is involved.
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| 8:35:24 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | but as an automated process you could test possible issues that person one may not think of
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| 8:35:26 PM | Garbee | But, that's quite some time away for desktop-level testing.
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| 8:35:34 PM | Garbee | Doable now for web stuff, https://testim.io
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| 8:35:47 PM | Garbee | But, for desktop it's much more challenging to do this kind of testing in the first place.
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| 8:35:50 PM | TheFu | Fuzzing is a common way to find security related bugs.
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| 8:36:12 PM | TheFu | Throw crap at any input - see what crashes.
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| 8:36:17 PM | Garbee | Dooley_da_Vulcan: The "automated process" is all *manually* created though.
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| 8:36:28 PM | Garbee | A person sits down and writes the pathway and parameters that need to be tested.
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| 8:36:38 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | just a matter of a few variables, run through x,y, l and w
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| 8:36:42 PM | Garbee | It just saves having *someone* manually doing those tests repeatedly in the future with all patches.
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| 8:36:58 PM | Garbee | It's not that easy with testing Dooley.
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| 8:37:00 PM | TheFu | But test maintenance is a hassle too.
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| 8:37:07 PM | TheFu | But needs to be done.
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| 8:37:13 PM | Garbee | At least, not in the level you're detailing.
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| 8:37:27 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | manually testing leaves so much missed
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| 8:37:31 PM | Garbee | There are some places where you can do variance testing based on randomized input values.
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| 8:37:37 PM | TheFu | Worked on a project with 7 levels of testing for 5 yrs.
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| 8:37:49 PM | TheFu | My team did only Level 1.
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| 8:37:56 PM | Garbee | Which is why you automate it Dooley_da_Vulcan. And you test against the primary functionality of an application.
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| 8:37:59 PM | TheFu | We did the coding too.
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| 8:38:19 PM | Garbee | You don't give a crap how the thing minimizes from various places on screen. That's surplifuous.
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| 8:38:30 PM | Garbee | especially for every application.
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| 8:38:33 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | what sucks is where testing version A takes long enough that it is old by the time it gets approved
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| 8:38:45 PM | Garbee | That also increases the test time, which is already extreme in itself.
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| 8:39:21 PM | TheFu | TDD - test driven development - a way to have minimal, stupid, testing, performed by the devs.
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| 8:39:21 PM | Garbee | There is such a thing as *over-testing*.
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| 8:39:34 PM | TheFu | Garbee: Depends on the application.
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| 8:39:34 PM | Garbee | And "100% coverage" is never 100%. That's a false goal to impress managers.
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| 8:39:42 PM | TheFu | Not true.
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| 8:39:48 PM | TheFu | We did 100% coverage.
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| 8:39:49 PM | Garbee | If you test cases don't fail when needed and you have 100% coverage, are the tests worth it?
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| 8:39:51 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | that is why I was thinking only maximizing
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| 8:39:54 PM | TheFu | It was VERY EXPENSIVE.
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| 8:40:38 PM | TheFu | I would never say anyone should do that and more.
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| 8:40:45 PM | TheFu | s/and/any/
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| 8:41:06 PM | Garbee | It's certainly achievable especially for newer projects if you test from the start.
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| 8:41:15 PM | TheFu | But ... the contract required CMMI-5 processes.
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| 8:41:35 PM | Garbee | But, "100% coverage" in itself is a false-goal. Because if that coverage doesn't catch *every* case, it isn't 100%.
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| 8:41:51 PM | TheFu | Ok ... 99.995% coverage.
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| 8:42:14 PM | TheFu | And I'll admit that probably only 30% was possible in the vehicle.
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| 8:42:20 PM | Garbee | All that coverage means is, "we have physically processed every line" not "We have tested it including with extreme parameter values to verify functionality in as many circumstances as possible."
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| 8:42:45 PM | TheFu | Actually, we didn't test lines. We looked at the ASM and tested every conditional.
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| 8:43:33 PM | TheFu | After about 20 yrs of the project doing that, management finally convinced the customer it wasn't the most efficient testing method that would find the most bugs.
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| 8:43:51 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | So where was the fail with Windows Me.....lol or was it more fails and less pass
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| 8:44:29 PM | TheFu | ME had a underlying system architecture issue.
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| 8:44:32 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | how does some of the bigger failures get through the processes? unless the processes themselves had issues
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| 8:44:33 PM | Garbee | Dooley_da_Vulcan: No automated tests or few decent ones most likely.
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| 8:44:54 PM | Garbee | Most of MS's true automated testing didn't start wrapping around into maturity until the XP era.
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| 8:45:17 PM | Garbee | They had basic test levels earlier but it wasn't anything that would really hit user interaction.
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| 8:45:36 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | did I not hear that Me had issues of not freeing memory from closed applications thus slowly eating away at the system memory till none was free
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| 8:45:43 PM | Garbee | In those days, any kind of automated testing was still pretty early on in existence. They were learning as they built it.
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| 8:45:58 PM | TheFu | For microsoft.
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| 8:46:09 PM | Garbee | Dooley_da_Vulcan: Problems like that are hard to catch in testing anyways.
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| 8:46:11 PM | TheFu | Elsewhere, we used batch testing.
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| 8:46:29 PM | Garbee | As that asks for a long-running test purposefully built to run for what is possibly hours or more.
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| 8:46:35 PM | TheFu | And had been doing that for decades.
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| 8:46:37 PM | Garbee | Tests you don't want to be slow like that.
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| 8:48:24 PM | Garbee | Well, I'm getting off the computers for the night.
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| 8:48:36 PM | Garbee | See ya'll next week of not in the chatroom during the week.
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| 8:48:42 PM | Garbee | of/if
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| 8:49:09 PM | Dooley_da_Vulcan | I am getting the call myself to go. good night and take care all.
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| 9:06:44 PM | RobbieF | thanks all - hope you have a great night!!
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