| 6:58:08 PM | TheFu | A relative runs a 1W personal radio station for his home.
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| 6:58:28 PM | lichenx1 | RobbieF, I remember news and dc talk
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| 6:58:38 PM | TheFu | No need to listen to bad music. Just stuff you love ... most of the time. New music is fun too.
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| 6:59:49 PM | Jweston | good ol newsboys
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| 7:00:39 PM | Solbu | Look, I'm on TV.
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| 7:00:42 PM | lichenx1 | I'm famous!
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| 7:00:54 PM | bp9 | Nice!
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| 7:01:07 PM | rrdevcoder | could you describe the ruckus?
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| 7:01:15 PM | TheFu | Chats ARE posted with the videos, right?
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| 7:01:31 PM | lichenx1 | SashaD-G6, popup video, remember?
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| 7:01:53 PM | bp9 | Hmm, that's a good 30-40 second video delay
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| 7:02:00 PM | garywhite | TheFu: My personal radio is just a tablet wired into a speaker with playlists
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| 7:02:08 PM | rrdevcoder | take two!
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| 7:02:19 PM | TheFu | take three?
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| 7:02:40 PM | SashaD-G6 | Great start!
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| 7:02:43 PM | bp9 | G'day Y'all!
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| 7:03:13 PM | lichenx1 | Hello!
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| 7:03:32 PM | MoeMaravilla | Hello everyone.
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| 7:04:13 PM | TheFu | Howdy Ya'll
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| 7:04:19 PM | M1k3_0 | Hi everyone
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| 7:04:54 PM | rrdevcoder | Doesn't get any better than Star Christmas Wars. or....
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| 7:05:47 PM | rrdevcoder | Bought my Pi Killer that way. Yes, I went there.
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| 7:06:23 PM | TheFu | rrdevcoder: Best 4K cheap machine I know.
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| 7:06:41 PM | lichenx1 | you mean for what? playing 4k?
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| 7:07:45 PM | lichenx1 | ps4 vr is awesome
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| 7:08:31 PM | TheFu | Yes, 4K video ... I don't know of anything that works as cheaply with as much content types, especially local.
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| 7:08:52 PM | TheFu | +Kodi, of course.
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| 7:09:06 PM | lichenx1 | nice, I love my 4k tv, I'm a kodi noob
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| 7:10:11 PM | TheFu | Switched from TVs to projector a few years ago ... after the FCC let cable companies break all our "cable ready" stuff.
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| 7:12:10 PM | SashaD-G6 | I have and love a 4k tv as well :)
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| 7:12:12 PM | bp9 | Looks like Jeff got those camera views bacwards
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| 7:12:57 PM | SashaD-G6 | Although I dont watch it often, I do also have Kodi :)
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| 7:12:57 PM | bp9 | I think Robbie and Jeff are in fat view right now LOL LOL
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| 7:13:12 PM | rrdevcoder | Lowe's Home stores take rechargeable batteries
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| 7:13:18 PM | TheFu | Cut the processed carbs and sugars.
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| 7:13:51 PM | SashaD-G6 | These batteries are such a great idea!!!
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| 7:14:19 PM | lichenx1 | seen the kind where you can turn a aa to c or d type battery?
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| 7:14:47 PM | TheFu | yep. Those were around in the 1970s.
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| 7:15:10 PM | bp9 | Hmm, I'd use the regular charger instead of plugging these in because I can charge them all at the same time.
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| 7:15:13 PM | TheFu | Dad would charge like 12 of them at the same time.
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| 7:15:17 PM | lichenx1 | I just tried the terminus font and now I'm setting it to EVERYTHING
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| 7:16:26 PM | SashaD-G6 | I'd likely buy those because they look so neat :)
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| 7:16:43 PM | bp9 | Jeff, how about 6V lantern batteries?
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| 7:17:05 PM | rrdevcoder | USB probably won't be strong enough to charge larger than AA
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| 7:17:45 PM | lichenx1 | no idea what happened
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| 7:17:59 PM | SashaD-G6 | Welcome back!
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| 7:18:32 PM | bp9 | Jeff, NiMH batteries lose capacity over time just like your laptop battery
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| 7:19:24 PM | bp9 | So I think you will see just reduced capacity after 500 charges, but I don't think it will just stop working suddenly -- likely just a slow degradation.
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| 7:19:29 PM | TheFu | How much?
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| 7:20:03 PM | bp9 | @TheFu I think it depends on how many times you charge them.
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| 7:20:04 PM | TheFu | Pre-charged?
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| 7:20:37 PM | bp9 | @TheFu my LEAF is 6 years old, and shows about 70% capacity now.
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| 7:21:18 PM | bp9 | Jeff, the question about 6V lantern batteries was for your model railroad application.
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| 7:22:07 PM | SashaD-G6 | Im all over the questions now!!! Bring it on :)
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| 7:22:33 PM | BobK54 | Nissan car!
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| 7:22:42 PM | BobK54 | Nissan Leaf
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| 7:22:52 PM | bp9 | Nissan LEAF electric car
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| 7:23:10 PM | TheFu | Those would be handy for airplane noise-canceling stuff. OTOH, I've never had a battery die on mine.
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| 7:23:25 PM | TheFu | Neighbor had a LEAF - it was fun to show him all the hacks.
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| 7:23:26 PM | TheFu | ;)
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| 7:23:40 PM | TheFu | ----
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| 7:23:41 PM | garywhite | I'll wait for the bugs to get worked out on the Model 3 before I buy an electric car, $35K for a car that can get 200 mi on a charge
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| 7:24:06 PM | bp9 | @theFu, hacks? I'm curious
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| 7:24:23 PM | BobK54 | have you seen the Tesla easter egg which plays manheim steamroller and flashes the lights and moves the doors in response to the music?
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| 7:24:27 PM | TheFu | garywhite: Heard that testing on Tesla's new cars are 90% after 10 yrs of simulated use.
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| 7:24:37 PM | bp9 | @garywhite, I bought the car because I feel like the manufacturers will not know there is a demand unless people buy them
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| 7:25:00 PM | TheFu | The Nissan LEAF had a number of really bad hacks that were available from anywhere in the world by using the VIN.
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| 7:25:04 PM | SashaD-G6 | I would love an electric car :)
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| 7:25:06 PM | bp9 | @bobK64 I think so.
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| 7:25:06 PM | TheFu | Google will find them.
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| 7:25:14 PM | rd_blair | I have a battery operated lawn mower
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| 7:25:24 PM | garywhite | Just saying cause they're building a ton of superchargers around here (I live maybe 45 minutes from the factory in Fremont)
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| 7:25:38 PM | lichenx1 | rd_blair, I bet you mow 1/4 of the grass before it dies lol
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| 7:25:57 PM | TheFu | Isn't this what USB-c was for?
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| 7:26:03 PM | bp9 | @TheFu my 2G cell transciever built into the car is no longer working, so pretty sure no one can use that attack vector.
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| 7:26:04 PM | rd_blair | last about 45 min
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| 7:26:42 PM | lichenx1 | test colors
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| 7:27:19 PM | Solbu | I can stand that… :-)
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| 7:27:56 PM | bp9 | @Jeff: AC/DC converter LOL
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| 7:28:27 PM | lichenx1 | I heard you like usb ports...
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| 7:28:42 PM | TheFu | lichenx1: clearly.
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| 7:28:49 PM | lichenx1 | ^
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| 7:29:14 PM | TheFu | Just don't have that many USB devices to charge.
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| 7:29:24 PM | rrdevcoder | I have a 10 port one of these for my Pi cluster
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| 7:29:47 PM | rrdevcoder | It is fantastic for power
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| 7:30:14 PM | garywhite | why would you need a cluster of RPis?
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| 7:30:30 PM | TheFu | rrdevcoder: pi cluster? uh ... uh ... why? A $50 Intel CPU will have 10x (or more) the CPU capability.
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| 7:31:18 PM | TheFu | Jweston: They make cheap phones with dual SIMs ...
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| 7:31:26 PM | rrdevcoder | fun to build and tinker with parallel processing
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| 7:31:59 PM | TheFu | rrdevcoder: Excellent purpose. Did you consider using VMs?
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| 7:32:32 PM | bp9 | @RobbieF is the Canadian mains plug different from the US one?
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| 7:32:43 PM | TheFu | nope.
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| 7:32:50 PM | TheFu | Same. 110/60.
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| 7:32:55 PM | rrdevcoder | Yes but my giant server burns electricity by the mega-watt hour
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| 7:33:12 PM | bp9 | @TheFu, I meant physically different?
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| 7:33:21 PM | TheFu | Nope.
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| 7:33:24 PM | TheFu | Same.
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| 7:33:31 PM | bp9 | OK thanks.
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| 7:33:56 PM | lichenx1 | that's exactly why I need an rpi, electricity lol
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| 7:34:09 PM | alpeck | mains plug is the same for Canada, USA and Mexico
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| 7:34:17 PM | TheFu | Costa Rica too.
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| 7:34:50 PM | rrdevcoder | 8 pi3's in a cluster 32 cores of fun.
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| 7:35:06 PM | lichenx1 | I bet RobbieF has a better purse than SashaD-G6
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| 7:35:27 PM | TheFu | "man-purse"
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| 7:35:35 PM | SashaD-G6 | Murse
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| 7:35:36 PM | alpeck | murse
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| 7:35:44 PM | lichenx1 | manny pack
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| 7:35:45 PM | rrdevcoder | he can probably plug it in
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| 7:36:03 PM | TheFu | But he can't check it as airline luggage.
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| 7:36:19 PM | TheFu | But I am slightly envious.
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| 7:37:25 PM | lichenx1 | surely you could get an angle adapter?
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| 7:37:27 PM | rrdevcoder | Robbie, look for a 90 degree plug. Do they exist?
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| 7:37:33 PM | lichenx1 | ^
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| 7:37:36 PM | TheFu | Or cut a whole?
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| 7:37:51 PM | TheFu | slit?
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| 7:38:07 PM | TheFu | s/whole/hole/
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| 7:38:51 PM | rrdevcoder | go here: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Micro-Cable-Black-USBAUB2MD/dp/B00EBGGXS2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1512607072&sr=8-4&keywords=90+degree+micro+usb
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| 7:38:52 PM | bp9 | @TheFu: nice use of vi search and replace command LOL
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| 7:38:57 PM | lichenx1 | I have a mini power stick thing, It's nice to have around for sure
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| 7:39:17 PM | Solbu | Could the small design be a safety feature, to prevent things from heating up in the case while charging?
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| 7:39:18 PM | lichenx1 | bp9 I notice lol
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| 7:39:42 PM | lichenx1 | s/glo/bal/g ?
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| 7:40:17 PM | TheFu | bp9: not just vi, but ed, sed, and pretty much any regex engine.
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| 7:41:03 PM | TheFu | lichenx1: I only needed the 1st instance corrected. ;)
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| 7:41:09 PM | bp9 | @TheFu, true but I only use it in vi :-)
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| 7:41:55 PM | TheFu | And how much data is sent to google to make this work?
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| 7:42:27 PM | TheFu | meow.
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| 7:42:40 PM | MoeMaravilla | Not stand alone then.
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| 7:42:51 PM | lichenx1 | spacemacs but same dif
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| 7:42:59 PM | TheFu | MoeMaravilla: when google is involved, notthing NOTHING is stand-alone.
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| 7:43:33 PM | TheFu | There are voice-activation kits for google, siri, and amazon stuff that work with r-pis.
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| 7:44:44 PM | rrdevcoder | Careful Jeff someone could be replaced.
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| 7:45:15 PM | Jweston | I'm already expendable haha
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| 7:45:22 PM | lichenx1 | everything is better in canada, too bad I'm usa lol
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| 7:45:27 PM | rrdevcoder | Never
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| 7:45:27 PM | MoeMaravilla | I can't do that Dave.
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| 7:45:51 PM | TheFu | Not all overseas places make getting a new local SIM possible.
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| 7:46:02 PM | TheFu | I was screwed the last few weeks in Chile.
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| 7:46:20 PM | lichenx1 | I watched a 5 minute youtube video in 30 minutes on sprint.
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| 7:46:23 PM | TheFu | I'm still waiting for the Govt approval to allow my phone to work.
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| 7:46:29 PM | MoeMaravilla | I am from Chile.
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| 7:46:44 PM | MoeMaravilla | Live in US.
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| 7:46:46 PM | TheFu | MoeMaravilla: So you know the law changed in Oct 2017.
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| 7:47:21 PM | lichenx1 | TheFu, what law?
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| 7:47:33 PM | MoeMaravilla | Umm ... No Jan. 2016 was last time in Chile.
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| 7:47:36 PM | TheFu | Chilean cell phone SIM law.
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| 7:47:48 PM | TheFu | They are trying to stop 2 things.
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| 7:48:05 PM | TheFu | Stolen phone reuse and really cheap cell phone importation.
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| 7:48:10 PM | MoeMaravilla | I just bought a pre-paid.
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| 7:48:25 PM | lichenx1 | RobbieF, I need that portable net!
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| 7:48:52 PM | TheFu | I could buy a pre-paid SIM, but the IMEI (or whatever it is) for my phone was blocked.
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| 7:49:14 PM | MoeMaravilla | Yes you need an unlocked phone.
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| 7:49:23 PM | TheFu | My phone **is** unlocked.
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| 7:49:37 PM | garywhite | what portable net?
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| 7:50:14 PM | MoeMaravilla | Oh... So sorry.
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| 7:50:31 PM | TheFu | The law in Chile changed in Oct 2017!!!!
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| 7:51:01 PM | TheFu | But I travel internationally a few times yearly and usually get a PAYG SIM on arrival with $10-$20 of data. Usually works perfectly.
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| 7:51:27 PM | TheFu | OTOH, cell coverage in Torres del Paine is ZERO.
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| 7:52:10 PM | TheFu | Chile locked down non-Chilean phones. If you buy local there, it is pre-added to the list.
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| 7:52:15 PM | bp9 | I buy pay as you go SIM when I go to Australia
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| 7:52:43 PM | bp9 | My phone is unlocked and it is a GSM phone which is the only standard in Australia as far as I know.
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| 7:53:13 PM | bp9 | I bought the phone unlocked brand new and it worked fine with my USA provider.
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| 7:54:19 PM | TheFu | bp9: I haven't owned an unlocked phone in about 8 yrs. I'm a PAYG user, like Robbie, but in the USA.
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| 7:54:26 PM | TheFu | Uptimes?
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| 7:54:40 PM | TheFu | $ uptime
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| 7:54:40 PM | TheFu | 19:54:31 up 64 days, 1:43, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.05, 0.05
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| 7:55:21 PM | garywhite | I haven't owned an unlocked phone, but I probably paid the least for a phone out of everyone here
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| 7:55:33 PM | MoeMaravilla | Hybernate
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| 7:55:49 PM | TheFu | I leave my systems running 24/7/365.
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| 7:56:02 PM | TheFu | Except when they are traveling.
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| 7:56:12 PM | bp9 | I do too but I rebooted my desktop recently due to OS update.
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| 7:56:17 PM | TheFu | For security reasons, I don't do hibernate.
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| 7:56:32 PM | bp9 | and my laptop doesn't usually stay on 24/7/365
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| 7:57:00 PM | TheFu | V$ uptime
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| 7:57:00 PM | TheFu | 19:56:49 up 95 days,
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| 7:57:17 PM | bp9 | all linux, no windows. I've had similar uptimes than TheFu on my desktop
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| 7:57:21 PM | garywhite | The only thing that I leave on 24/7 is my phone, my computer & tablet I shut off when not in use
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| 7:57:39 PM | bp9 | It runs seti@home so I'm happy to let it stay up all the time.
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| 7:57:46 PM | lichenx1 | RobbieF, where is christa right now!
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| 7:57:47 PM | TheFu | No kernel updates, so no reboot.
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| 7:58:16 PM | MoeMaravilla | My work computer stays on 24/7 (windows 10).
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| 7:58:25 PM | MoeMaravilla | Linux at home.
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| 7:58:44 PM | TheFu | MoeMaravilla: doubtful. MSFT reboots your PC when they want after patching when they want.
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| 7:59:06 PM | MoeMaravilla | Still stays on :)
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| 7:59:27 PM | garywhite | I don't let my PC patch itself, I tell it when to install
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| 7:59:28 PM | Solbu | Someone recently shutdown a solaris system that have been running, without rebooting, since about 2001.
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| 7:59:35 PM | TheFu | I like for my desktop programs and all locations to be left alone.
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| 8:00:06 PM | Berzerkula | easy to get high uptimes when you forget where the machine is to reboot or clean
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| 8:00:14 PM | Berzerkula | or forget it exists
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| 8:01:03 PM | TheFu | Berzerkula: true. I have an ansible script to check for systems on our subnet. Got surprised this morning when a new AWS system showed up on the wifi network. ;)
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| 8:03:29 PM | lichenx1 | MY MOM SAID NO!
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| 8:04:12 PM | Berzerkula | Before I setup the new server, my old one had: 10:26:32 up 696 days, 17:14, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.05 of course no kernel updates, matter of fact I got lazy and didn't update anything. Probably had plenty of issues
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| 8:04:14 PM | TheFu | Jeff is nailing this.
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| 8:04:41 PM | Berzerkula | never attempted to use kexec
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| 8:05:49 PM | TheFu | Facebook, twitter, snapchat are blocked here at the network level.
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| 8:05:55 PM | MoeMaravilla | Minimal FB user.
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| 8:06:17 PM | MoeMaravilla | Use WhatsApp.
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| 8:06:20 PM | Berzerkula | FB foo bar
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| 8:07:04 PM | MoeMaravilla | FB Face Book (and Foo bar)
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| 8:07:13 PM | TheFu | FB tracks everyone, everywhere.
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| 8:07:26 PM | Berzerkula | like mountain lions
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| 8:07:27 PM | TheFu | Google, twitter, ... and 500 others track too.
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| 8:07:36 PM | alpeck | not on FB
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| 8:08:05 PM | MoeMaravilla | WhatsApp is supposed to be end to end encryption.
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| 8:08:44 PM | TheFu | MoeMaravilla: If you can't prove it, or pay someone else to prove it, then don't believe it. We've been burned many times.
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| 8:09:07 PM | MoeMaravilla | I hear you
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| 8:09:16 PM | TheFu | RetroShare is what I'd trust, if I couldn't get someone to use gpg-email.
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| 8:09:33 PM | garywhite | I refuse to use Twitter
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| 8:09:42 PM | bp9 | Why don't more people use GPG email by default?
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| 8:09:54 PM | TheFu | bp9: Setup isn't trivial?
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| 8:10:14 PM | bp9 | I use enigmail on thunderbird. No problem at all
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| 8:10:22 PM | lichenx1 | jeff what podcast?
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| 8:10:33 PM | Solbu | bp9: I've used gpg and before that, pgp since 1999.
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| 8:10:39 PM | TheFu | bp9: Me too.
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| 8:10:44 PM | Jweston | ill tell you in a second
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| 8:10:49 PM | Jweston | give me a minute to find it
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| 8:10:59 PM | lichenx1 | thanks
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| 8:11:27 PM | Jweston | gimletmedia.com episode #109
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| 8:11:40 PM | TheFu | Sasha - you couldn't be talking about amazon, right?
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| 8:12:51 PM | bp9 | At work we switched to gmail years ago, now I get spam directly related to my industry.
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| 8:13:08 PM | bp9 | (that I did not get before the switch)
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| 8:13:22 PM | MoeMaravilla | Thank you everyone... Always fun to watch
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| 8:13:30 PM | MoeMaravilla | Live
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| 8:13:42 PM | Jweston | thanks all. night!!!!
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| 8:13:44 PM | lichenx1 | live chat is nice
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| 8:13:57 PM | bp9 | Bye SashaR! Well done!
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| 8:14:16 PM | Solbu | RobbieF: the chat bar is nice. Reminds me of the TWiT network. They do something similar.
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| 8:14:18 PM | TheFu | Chat is nice.
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| 8:14:21 PM | MoeMaravilla | Yes cool thing Robbie
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| 8:14:50 PM | TheFu | youtube - Terrifying Cost of Free Websites by Adam_Ruins_Everything
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| 8:15:43 PM | bp9 | Robbie forgot to close the connection LOL
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| 8:17:24 PM | TheFu | Should we tell him?
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| 8:17:40 PM | bp9 | Naah I like watching the after show :-)
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| 8:17:47 PM | TheFu | Ah.
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| 8:18:03 PM | bp9 | Too late, I guess he saw the note.
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| 8:18:04 PM | bp9 | Sigh
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| 8:18:14 PM | TheFu | Is the left side of his "tash" going gray?
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| 8:18:29 PM | bp9 | his tash?
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| 8:18:45 PM | RobbieF | you'll have to look closer next week in 4k :)
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| 8:18:55 PM | bp9 | I'm using pidgin and I don't see a "tash".
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| 8:18:56 PM | TheFu | s/tash/stash/
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| 8:19:09 PM | RobbieF | bahaha I officially love you TheFu
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| 8:19:15 PM | RobbieF | sed ftw!
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| 8:19:16 PM | bp9 | He has a tin star next to his ID and it hasn't changed.
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| 8:19:29 PM | TheFu | I waited until the feed wasn't on to ask that.
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| 8:19:58 PM | bp9 | Robbie, I complimented TheFu on his use of a vi search & replace earlier. :-)
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| 8:20:26 PM | TheFu | ed/sed/vim/perl are a way of life when I'm working.
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| 8:20:39 PM | bp9 | TheFu, you rock!
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| 8:20:53 PM | TheFu | Gee. Thanks.
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| 8:21:00 PM | TheFu | shucks.
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| 8:21:09 PM | bp9 | Although I use vi/vim, sed and awk
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| 8:21:15 PM | bp9 | (for command line stuff)
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| 8:21:23 PM | Berzerkula | same her
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| 8:21:24 PM | Berzerkula | e
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| 8:21:31 PM | bp9 | and C, sqlite3, and GTK for programming stuff
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| 8:21:31 PM | Berzerkula | give me those good ole tools
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| 8:21:44 PM | Solbu | In a norwegian GNU/Linux chatroom we have a bot which among other things watches for sed strings, and retype the chatters previous line, with the sec command applied.
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| 8:22:06 PM | bp9 | Solbu, now THAT could be interesting.
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| 8:22:11 PM | Solbu | … and it underlins the replaced string. :-)
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| 8:22:20 PM | Solbu | *underlines
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| 8:22:22 PM | TheFu | Way back in them-there olden days, I asked a guru which language I should learn to get the most skill. "perl" was the answer then. He was right.
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| 8:22:39 PM | TheFu | I'd love to have URL titles pulled back here too.
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| 8:22:51 PM | Solbu | Most of the Mandriva/Mageia specific tools are written in perl.
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| 8:22:52 PM | TheFu | !next
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| 8:23:02 PM | bp9 | TheFu, as with all things, the best language to use depends on what problem you are trying to solve
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| 8:23:13 PM | bp9 | ...and what you already have experience in
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| 8:23:29 PM | bp9 | ...and what your environment is at work LOL
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| 8:24:10 PM | bp9 | I would like to learn Lua to play with minetest mods
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| 8:24:22 PM | TheFu | bp9: True, but I was trying to get a general purpose tool. I was already programming in about 30 languages, but didn't have much Unix skills then. The network admin said, "perl over awk."
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| 8:24:42 PM | TheFu | I've never regretted that choice.
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| 8:25:21 PM | bp9 | TheFu: I agree. awk does certain things well, and I think perl is a more general-purpose language.
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| 8:25:40 PM | TheFu | Agreed.
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| 8:25:54 PM | bp9 | you're gonna make me go learn perl now, aren't you? LOL
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| 8:26:50 PM | TheFu | Perl is like English. There are many different ways to solve each problem. In the hands of an expert, you get the most efficient, solution, unlike many other languages.
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| 8:27:18 PM | TheFu | Background in C and some OOP is helpful.
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| 8:27:19 PM | bp9 | I'm more surprised at what you can do with python. I haven't written any python but I have found plenty of programs that use it in the linux ecosystem.
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| 8:27:45 PM | TheFu | Python is what I recommend as a first language for pretty much everyone.
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| 8:27:54 PM | bp9 | I suspect that python, like C and Java, relies on libraries to get the job done.
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| 8:28:26 PM | TheFu | All productive languages use libraries.
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| 8:29:21 PM | TheFu | Solbu: How was your first night as moderator?
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| 8:29:40 PM | Solbu | Easy. :-)
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| 8:29:46 PM | bp9 | True: I use libraries extensively.
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| 8:30:19 PM | TheFu | bp9: How does Java ensure that your libraries are all current?
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| 8:30:32 PM | TheFu | and patched?
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| 8:30:34 PM | bp9 | Solbu, I'm glad we made it easy for you.
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| 8:30:39 PM | Solbu | TheFu: I'm no newbie at this, thou. Been running several chatrooms, one I've been operator in for 17 years now.
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| 8:31:02 PM | TheFu | Solbu: I'm a complete noob to IRC.
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| 8:31:08 PM | bp9 | TheFu: We use maven as a build system, which helps manage the library dependencies through the maven repos
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| 8:32:04 PM | TheFu | Dependencies are different than updated libraries. At least in my mind. How do you ensure the java libs aren't just something copied over from 4 yrs ago and never maintained correctly?
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| 8:33:25 PM | bp9 | Yes, you generally specify what version you want when you pull in a library. And that's the version you will continue to use until you next update the program -- it's on the developer to update the dependencies to use the new versions on each iteration.
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| 8:34:32 PM | TheFu | So the java ecosystem has a centralized, maintained, TTD, library setup that can be controlled by license needed?
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| 8:34:58 PM | bp9 | TTD? I guess you mean test driven development?
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| 8:35:17 PM | TheFu | yep. libraries aren't published until they pass all the tests.
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| 8:35:38 PM | bp9 | java doesn't have such an ecosystem, but maven supplies it. It's a separate build tool similar to make.
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| 8:35:47 PM | TheFu | Then every installation re-validates the tests pass and if too many fail, then the library is rejected.
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| 8:36:27 PM | bp9 | Yes, the tests run every time the application is built. The build fails if any unit test fails.
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| 8:36:29 PM | TheFu | I'm familiar with make/gmake. I wouldn't consider them library management.
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| 8:36:52 PM | TheFu | I'm taking about library validation, not program validation.
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| 8:37:14 PM | TheFu | These are things that the Perl CPAN provides.
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| 8:37:48 PM | bp9 | Each library has its own set of unit tests that follow the same rules as any application. The build fails if any unit test fails.
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| 8:38:08 PM | TheFu | So library management and use is manual like in C/C++.
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| 8:38:16 PM | bp9 | maven draws on a repo similar to your CPAN to get libraries.
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| 8:38:35 PM | Solbu | Uptime was a topic today: https://twitter.com/lworonowicz/status/927507006138839045
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| 8:38:39 PM | TheFu | CPAN isn't my repo. It is world-wide.
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| 8:38:47 PM | Solbu | … in the chat room at least.
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| 8:39:35 PM | bp9 | So is nexus. You can also have local nexus repos that can be searched ahead of the global one.
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| 8:40:14 PM | bp9 | maven uses nexus. You specify app dependencies in a config file. That is used to build the app.
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| 8:51:14 PM | bp9 | Have a good night everyone. Try not to give Solbu any ulcers LOL
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| 8:51:25 PM | Solbu | :-)
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