| 7:00:20 PM | Garbee | Working
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| 7:00:39 PM | TheFu | check
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| 7:00:40 PM | Garbee | Jeff had to get the fart out first.
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| 7:00:53 PM | Solbu | Alice Krige usually plays the Borg Queen. In two instances Susanna Thompson plays the queen in Voyager because Krige was unavailable at the time.
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| 7:01:22 PM | Skywriter64 | WOW
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| 7:02:01 PM | JeffW_ | sup world
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| 7:02:29 PM | Garbee | oh you missed it.
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| 7:02:44 PM | Garbee | JeffW_: My joke earlier when you were plugging up the mic was. "Jeff has to get that fart out first."
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| 7:03:05 PM | Solbu | The news look, new.
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| 7:03:06 PM | TheFu | Or LUKS dump.
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| 7:03:43 PM | Garbee | haha
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| 7:03:50 PM | Garbee | I forgot about LUKS dump.
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| 7:04:06 PM | Solbu | Best episode ever. :-)
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| 7:04:18 PM | TheFu | RAM is finally the same price it was 5 yrs ago. ;) Time to build a new system!
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| 7:04:20 PM | Solbu | I still watch it sometimes. :-)
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| 7:04:21 PM | Skywriter64 | JeffW I just cut off About 4" of my white beard
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| 7:06:12 PM | Garbee | He put an air freshner in his pants.
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| 7:06:31 PM | Garbee | Getting high tech there.
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| 7:08:08 PM | TheFu | I'm not a fan of conman (r-pi network stuff). Give me the old scripts.
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| 7:08:31 PM | revdjenk | hey good evening!
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| 7:10:43 PM | stormchaser3000 | hello
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| 7:11:10 PM | GWG | I just remembered its Wednesday
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| 7:11:13 PM | GWG | Better tune in
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| 7:11:13 PM | TheFu | arp?
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| 7:11:57 PM | revdjenk | this sounds like the first time I booted Linux in 1999 ...
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| 7:12:19 PM | TheFu | Non-standard router?
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| 7:12:34 PM | TheFu | DHCP sometimes doesn't work with odd dhcp clients.
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| 7:12:44 PM | Solbu | «Comming up, Jeff's PhantomPI»
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| 7:12:50 PM | GWG | What did I miss?
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| 7:12:58 PM | revdjenk | Solbu: although its an odroid
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| 7:13:17 PM | Garbee | JeffW_: nothing normal would cause that.
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| 7:13:32 PM | Garbee | Robbie's grasping at ideas since he can't see it live yet.
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| 7:13:48 PM | stormchaser3000 | i want to help but i haven't had this issue with any of my SBCs
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| 7:14:05 PM | TheFu | Clearly, Jeff needs 3 more routers.
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| 7:14:23 PM | Cee_128d | If it has a wired ethernet jack plug it directly into the modem and bypass the router. Also try a USB Wireless dongle.
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| 7:14:35 PM | Solbu | Garbee: But, he could ssh into jeff's network, provided it have an open port.
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| 7:14:44 PM | revdjenk | did it snake up on you, RobbieF
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| 7:14:55 PM | lichenx1 | PYTHON FTW
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| 7:15:13 PM | stormchaser3000 | my first programming language was scratch XD
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| 7:15:20 PM | Solbu | Don't bash, uhm, bash.
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| 7:15:20 PM | Garbee | HTML
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| 7:15:25 PM | TheFu | FORTRAN66
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| 7:15:29 PM | Garbee | Solbu: I bash all the time.
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| 7:15:29 PM | GWG | Commodore 64 Basic
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| 7:15:31 PM | alpeck | hi
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| 7:15:34 PM | Garbee | Great for build step scripts.
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| 7:15:37 PM | GWG | Took AP Pascal.
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| 7:15:42 PM | Solbu | Garbee: Bash is an awsome shell.
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| 7:15:51 PM | Garbee | Terrible language.
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| 7:15:58 PM | Garbee | But, it works for running commands.
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| 7:16:04 PM | stormchaser3000 | i am working on learning rust
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| 7:16:15 PM | Cee_128d | My first language was RPGII
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| 7:16:52 PM | Solbu | My first was Basic.
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| 7:16:56 PM | rd_blair | focal on digital pdp8s
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| 7:17:07 PM | lichenx1 | we need more python talk on cat5! but can we pull him away from php? lol
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| 7:17:30 PM | GWG | I use PHP
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| 7:17:45 PM | Garbee | PHP 7 is amazing.
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| 7:18:16 PM | stormchaser3000 | does buying old NES cartridges on amazon support the show?
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| 7:18:54 PM | revdjenk | hmmmmm
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| 7:19:03 PM | Garbee | stormchaser3000: If you're in the US: https://amazon.com/?tag=cat5tv-20
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| 7:19:06 PM | GWG | Garbee: I'm still on 5.2
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| 7:19:09 PM | JeffW_ | yes it does stormchaser3000
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| 7:19:15 PM | stormchaser3000 | ok cool :D
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| 7:19:19 PM | Garbee | use that link with the tag when you visit and buy. Anything you buy contributes to the show.
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| 7:19:28 PM | Garbee | I'm so sorry GWG.
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| 7:19:34 PM | Garbee | I'll send flowers.
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| 7:19:53 PM | GWG | Garbee: I run PHP7. But I work on WordPress, so I try to target 5.2-5.4
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| 7:20:18 PM | Garbee | ugh. I despise it, but understandable.
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| 7:20:27 PM | GWG | WordPress or PHP5?
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| 7:20:31 PM | Cee_128d | Crap. I forgot to check if Cat5 has a BH Photo affiliate link before I ordered my new phone today.
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| 7:21:02 PM | Solbu | RobbieF: Put a camera on the caster, and a monitor in your view.
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| 7:21:18 PM | revdjenk | it's a tool, not a toy, JeffW_
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| 7:21:41 PM | Garbee | The fact that Wordpress essentially encourages people to stay stale since they don't have a shorter life-span on PHP support.
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| 7:21:51 PM | revdjenk | JeffW_: that's how you explain why you need it
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| 7:21:57 PM | Garbee | If WP cut their support time down, hosters would be more encouraged to upgrade sooner.
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| 7:22:05 PM | Garbee | But instead, WP bends to the hosting companies.
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| 7:22:11 PM | Garbee | And devs suffer for it.
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| 7:22:33 PM | Garbee | And then users when their installs get hacked when patches were out but... hoster didn't apply it.
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| 7:22:53 PM | Garbee | It's a whole self-consuming cycle I despise.
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| 7:22:54 PM | GWG | Garbee: They are talking about it.
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| 7:22:59 PM | GWG | Garbee: Look up Serve Happy
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| 7:23:05 PM | TheFu | Sounds like a php issue.
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| 7:23:06 PM | Garbee | Yah I know.
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| 7:23:08 PM | Garbee | Talking.
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| 7:23:14 PM | Garbee | But haven't put anything into action yet.
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| 7:23:31 PM | Garbee | TheFu: Every language engine has issues.
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| 7:23:34 PM | Garbee | Every one.
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| 7:23:49 PM | TheFu | True.
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| 7:24:08 PM | Garbee | No one is safe. PHP just has its flaws pointed out more.... because it's the big language for the web (besides JS) and everyone hates it because they've been told to without understanding why.
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| 7:24:16 PM | Garbee | So they love to joke about how "bad" it is.
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| 7:24:16 PM | revdjenk | power loco
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| 7:24:21 PM | TheFu | But it seems that php attracts more people unwilling to maintain their production code than others.
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| 7:24:23 PM | revdjenk | power locus
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| 7:24:26 PM | Garbee | When in reality, it's just fine. Especially 7+ rocking it.
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| 7:24:41 PM | Garbee | TheFu: I've seen that from literally every language.
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| 7:24:50 PM | Garbee | Once something hits production, people get scared to touch it.
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| 7:25:09 PM | Garbee | Unless you are in a very modern environment with loads of software testing in place.
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| 7:25:51 PM | Garbee | The only reason most of Google's stuff gets maintained, is they have automated updates on API changes to internal projects.
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| 7:25:52 PM | TheFu | The barrier to entry for php is so low that lots of noobs code stuff and release it onto the world. You don't see nearly as much fromother langs.
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| 7:25:59 PM | Cee_128d | Jeff's buying one of those decks just o play with at home.
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| 7:26:16 PM | Garbee | That barrier being low is good though. Because you can build shit in it without knowing the universe. :P
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| 7:26:43 PM | Garbee | There is a reason hacking challenges ban PHP from being used. It's so fast to build in they always blew away competitors.
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| 7:26:47 PM | JeffW_ | you know it cee_128d
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| 7:27:29 PM | Garbee | And if you know nothing and jump into other languages, you'll still build things and kill yourself. You'll just do it in a way that's harder to detect.
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| 7:27:47 PM | TheFu | https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-00-introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-fall-2008/
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| 7:27:51 PM | Garbee | Normally, you can at least peer review most PHP code and have some idea of what's going on.
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| 7:28:41 PM | Cee_128d | Jeff, bring it into the studio and hook it up when Robbie isn't looking and play musical decks with him. See how long it takes to figure it out.
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| 7:28:49 PM | Garbee | Yah, that course is general comp sci. Python is better suited to that.
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| 7:28:55 PM | TheFu | RobbieF, how easy is it to update the firmware on those headphones?
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| 7:29:09 PM | Garbee | Web Dev, PHP kinda blows the competition away (save JS now with Node. But it's still fairly infant.)
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| 7:29:25 PM | Garbee | I know googler's who wish there stuff was mostly PHP instead of Python. they despise all the python.
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| 7:33:25 PM | TheFu | BT has some security flaws announced this week. Firmware updates needed to correct across all devices.
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| 7:34:33 PM | GWG | JeffW_: Not yet, but don't slack off
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| 7:34:57 PM | stormchaser3000_ | ugh
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| 7:35:03 PM | stormchaser3000_ | my connection messed up
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| 7:36:35 PM | stormchaser3000_ | waiting for the other me to time out
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| 7:36:36 PM | stormchaser3000_ | :/
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| 7:37:00 PM | GWG | JeffW_: You asked if you were being replaced by a dummy head
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| 7:37:27 PM | TheFu | huh? EDR?
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| 7:37:28 PM | Cee_128d | TheFu: That's the reason I don't use BT at all. The phone I have now get the BlueBourne patch until April of this year. One of the reasons I ordered a new phone today.
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| 7:37:38 PM | stormchaser3000_ | i will just have to ghost the other me i guess
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| 7:37:51 PM | GWG | JeffW_: Job abandonment
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| 7:38:08 PM | stormchaser3000 | there
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| 7:38:41 PM | TheFu | https://www.zdnet.com/article/bluetooth-security-flaw-could-allow-nearby-attacker-to-grab-your-private-data/
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| 7:38:58 PM | GWG | Maybe the dummy head should take it
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| 7:39:52 PM | TheFu | I just started using BT with a portable speaker on camping trips. I don't use it anywhere else, but I don't trust BT or wifi or GSM or LTE or ... any RF.
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| 7:40:20 PM | Skywriter64 | I must be a real audiophile because I use Sennheiser 6XX(Massdrop Version of Sennheiser650)
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| 7:40:43 PM | GWG | I have Sony MDR-7506
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| 7:41:21 PM | TheFu | Still using Shure cans here. For travel, some $60 noise canceling that I don't mind losing.
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| 7:42:01 PM | GWG | I'm trying to figure out how to do a dual monitor setup that's portable
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| 7:42:04 PM | ABQTKY | Whoa, just froze for some seconds. 8-(
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| 7:42:24 PM | ABQTKY | Fine again.
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| 7:43:38 PM | Cee_128d | I use a set of ATH-M50s with a set of M35s I carry when I travel.
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| 7:44:04 PM | TheFu | ABQTKY, Schlotzsky's fan?
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| 7:45:50 PM | Cee_128d | I use a set of fairly rare Peavey HKS-8's as computer speakers.
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| 7:46:17 PM | ABQTKY | TheFu, nope.
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| 7:47:20 PM | TheFu | ABQTKY, your handle is a sandwich they sell. ;)
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| 7:48:06 PM | Garbee | Lol, why do distro's have "download updates while installing" as an option, when they download but don't install a thing.
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| 7:48:16 PM | Garbee | Then when you're running. you have to re-download all of it and install.
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| 7:48:22 PM | ABQTKY | TheFu, they do have a couple of them out here in the desert southwest. (Yeah, they do have one with a suspiciously similar name.) 8-)
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| 7:48:32 PM | Garbee | So you use double the bandwidth because their installers don't work as advertised.
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| 7:49:09 PM | stormchaser3000 | what are your favorite Linux (or GNU+Linux or GNU/Linux or whatever you prefer to call it) distro?
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| 7:49:13 PM | stormchaser3000 | distros*
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| 7:49:22 PM | TheFu | Looks like you need a 20inch sub to go with those.
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| 7:49:32 PM | Garbee | Elementary OS is mine right now.
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| 7:49:38 PM | Cee_128d | Knoppix
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| 7:49:41 PM | Garbee | I don't like the way the dev team acts sometimes.
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| 7:49:51 PM | Garbee | But the distro's desktop environment works well for my desires.
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| 7:50:06 PM | TheFu | TrueOS or *buntu 16.04
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| 7:50:20 PM | Solbu | Wow. I can hear the bass!
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| 7:50:27 PM | Cee_128d | Okay, which model of Edifier's are those? I need to order a set.
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| 7:50:53 PM | stormchaser3000 | those sound like nice speakers
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| 7:51:30 PM | TheFu | And stutter w/ the stream. 1st time here tonight.
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| 7:52:46 PM | Solbu | What music is that? It sounds nice. .
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| 7:53:10 PM | TheFu | I can never tell the quality of any speaker until I get them home and in my listening room.
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| 7:53:43 PM | Solbu | And now we know shy RobbieF has no hair. :-)
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| 7:53:46 PM | Solbu | *why
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| 7:54:49 PM | stormchaser3000 | i should get those speakers for my desktop computer
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| 7:55:01 PM | stormchaser3000 | i only have these small logitech speakers
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| 7:55:20 PM | stormchaser3000 | then i could play all the classical music i want :D
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| 7:56:18 PM | Solbu | RobbieF: I could actually hear some of the bass.
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| 7:59:46 PM | Cee_128d | Anybody else watch The Show Show that Robbie did on the Binaural (sp) Dummy Head way back then? Still waiting on episode 2 of TSS.
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| 8:00:05 PM | Cee_128d | then - when
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| 8:02:10 PM | TheFu | If AI is so great, why don't they use it to solve room-temp fusion already?
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| 8:03:48 PM | TheFu | And if you are 86% pregnant or 86% may have disease Y?
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| 8:07:17 PM | TheFu | Which is why split tunneling of VPNs shouldn't be allowed into corporate networks.
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| 8:10:33 PM | TheFu | When a client connects to a corporate network via VPN, all other network connections, even LAN, should be blocked. And clearly, device-based 2FA for VPN access is mandatory.
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| 8:11:19 PM | stormchaser3000 | i am wondering what would happen if such institutions such as banks start storing their information on 3rd party cloud storage such as google cloud
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| 8:11:44 PM | Garbee | stormchaser3000: in what context.
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| 8:12:09 PM | stormchaser3000 | user logins or databases
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| 8:12:18 PM | stormchaser3000 | account information
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| 8:12:18 PM | stormchaser3000 | etc
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| 8:12:46 PM | Garbee | As long as the bank doesn't configure it dumbly, it's probably safer than them hosting it.
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| 8:13:09 PM | Garbee | If it is in MS Azure, Google Cloud, or Amazon's stuff.
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| 8:13:27 PM | TheFu | That isn't how large enterprises do important things. Front-ends might be in a cloud, but it will be on dedicated, physical, systems for that 1 customer.
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| 8:13:33 PM | TheFu | Bad security can happen anywhere.
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| 8:19:40 PM | TheFu | So now instead of Google/Amazon listening to everything you say, it is watching you?
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| 8:22:04 PM | revdjenk | the whole crew
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| 8:22:17 PM | revdjenk | bye RobbieF JeffW_ great sound show
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| 8:23:25 PM | TheFu | electrical tape solved laptop webcam.
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| 8:24:38 PM | TheFu | The mic is slightly harder. Need a headphone adapter, that isn't connected to prevent listening.
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| 8:27:03 PM | RobbieF | Hope you all had fun!!! thanks for being here!
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| 8:27:07 PM | RobbieF | no freeze ups this week?
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| 8:27:42 PM | stormchaser3000 | RobbieF: if by freeze up you are talking about the video stopping then i had an issue with that but it was on my end
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| 8:27:47 PM | ABQTKY | RobbieF, ahhh, three or four short freezeups. Sorry about that.
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| 8:27:51 PM | stormchaser3000 | my connection messed up once
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| 8:28:05 PM | stormchaser3000 | that was when i got disconnected from irc
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