6:58:40 PM | TheFu | It was on before.
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7:02:39 PM | TheFu | Sorta like xdotool?
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7:03:30 PM | Solbu | Jeff_W: Hehe. I had to think about that one, before i got it. :-)
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7:04:20 PM | Skywriter64 | Hi
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7:04:20 PM | MarshMan | Hey gang!
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7:04:41 PM | SashaR | Hi!!!
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7:06:12 PM | TheFu | 30% deet solves almost all bug issues.
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7:07:08 PM | TheFu | Though some small flies in Alaska didn't care at all about deet.
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7:07:44 PM | SashaR | I always forget to put bug spray on :(
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7:08:12 PM | TheFu | I hike all over the world. Never forget the deet.
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7:09:07 PM | SashaR | I love hiking :)
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7:09:33 PM | TheFu | SashaR, me too.
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7:10:58 PM | TheFu | Isn't the sun out in Canada until like 10pm?
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7:11:17 PM | SashaR | 845pm now :)
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7:12:08 PM | TheFu | 8:25p sunset here ... according to an app.
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7:13:56 PM | TheFu | Doesn't AMZ raise prices that you watch?
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7:20:05 PM | RobbieF | hi
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7:20:18 PM | MarshMan | chitter chatter
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7:20:43 PM | SashaR | :)
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7:20:55 PM | Solbu | Testing, testing, one, two three. :-)
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7:21:47 PM | MarshMan | My name is "nobody; just ask my wife.
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7:24:10 PM | SashaR | Testing :)
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7:27:13 PM | TheFu | Amazon Fire 8 tablet is $50.
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7:31:45 PM | MarshMan | overlapping text happens from PPT to PPT depending on PC not necessarily Libre issue
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7:35:43 PM | Garbee | Thankfully MP3 is now free. Patents ran out! yay.
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7:35:50 PM | TheFu | MP3 patents expired years ago.
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7:35:57 PM | Garbee | Nope, this year.
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7:36:04 PM | Garbee | They ran out like 2 months ago.
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7:36:05 PM | Solbu | Jeff_W, RobbieF: MP3 playback is no longer patented. The patent expired in april 2017.
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7:36:35 PM | Solbu | Garbee: It was the mpeg2 patent that expired this year.
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7:36:45 PM | TheFu | Garbee, did you sleep a year? ;)
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7:36:47 PM | Garbee | And part of that went into MP3 playback.
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7:37:55 PM | MarshMan | Free as in beer
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7:38:37 PM | TheFu | Free beer? Where?
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7:38:39 PM | Garbee | I wish my router would stop fighting me so hard this evening.
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7:38:58 PM | Solbu | sudo works on Debian as well.
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7:39:17 PM | TheFu | sudo -i .... gives the root environment.
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7:39:26 PM | Solbu | It just that on Ubuntu the root account have no password and is locked, so «su -» won't work.
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7:39:28 PM | TheFu | sudo -s .... keeps the current userid's environment.
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7:39:35 PM | TheFu | sudo su is like sudo -s
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7:39:42 PM | Solbu | However «sudo su -» on ubuntu works.
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7:39:44 PM | TheFu | sudo su - is like sudo -i
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7:40:14 PM | MarshMan | the same guy that uses comic sans
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7:40:37 PM | Solbu | Ding, ding, ding. :-)
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7:40:51 PM | MarshMan | RobbieF: GUI is pronounced gooey
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7:40:55 PM | revdjenk | Carlito and Caledea are equivalents to the newer "C" fonts the latest MS office
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7:41:15 PM | Solbu | MarshMan: That depends on the dialect.
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7:41:43 PM | revdjenk | see https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/
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7:41:53 PM | TheFu | SashaR, needs to understand about the BSA ... when they show up, it isn't fun.
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7:42:00 PM | MarshMan | Solbu: true, they are Canadian
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7:43:01 PM | revdjenk | YES
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7:43:17 PM | TheFu | BSD isn't use APT.
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7:43:19 PM | revdjenk | in their servers
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7:43:33 PM | MarshMan | On Azure
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7:44:04 PM | Skywriter64 | Didn't Windows buy github?
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7:44:07 PM | TheFu | Nope Jeff_W
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7:44:28 PM | MarshMan | Skywriter64: for lots of money yes
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7:44:33 PM | Solbu | Microsoft sold a Unix system: Xenix.
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7:44:35 PM | revdjenk | unix - like
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7:44:42 PM | TheFu | Windows NT stole the BSD network stack until someone finger printed it and embarrassed MSFT over it.
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7:44:51 PM | Solbu | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix
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7:45:00 PM | TheFu | Windows has a POSIX compliant API, if you don't go crazy.
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7:46:01 PM | Solbu | TheFu: But MS disn't violate the BSDs copyright, vecause the BSD licenses allows this.
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7:46:28 PM | Solbu | Sure, it might be embaresing, but ot illegal in any way.
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7:46:31 PM | TheFu | Not if they include the CREDITs and license file "somewhere"
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7:46:57 PM | revdjenk | I have receiveth your prophesieth...
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7:47:04 PM | TheFu | Apple is using BSD totally across all their platforms - earning $billions/yr.
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7:47:15 PM | TheFu | Roku is BSD as well.
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7:47:35 PM | Solbu | This is why the Free Software Foundation suggest a restricive license, such as GPL which require the code to be Free. So no one legally can copy the code and close it.
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7:47:44 PM | TheFu | Abandonware doesn't exist in the USA, legally.
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7:48:13 PM | Solbu | TheFu: Sure it does, it just doesn't mean it's free to use as one pleases.
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7:48:37 PM | TheFu | Solbu, except Google, Facebook, Twitter ... are using the GPLv2 with that non-distribution loophole.
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7:48:45 PM | TheFu | The A-GPL solves that.
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7:49:51 PM | TheFu | Atari still sells their 2600 games in a device. It isn't abandoned.
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7:51:23 PM | TheFu | I think Canadian laws are different than USA laws on this stuff.
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7:51:52 PM | Jeff_W | i think so too
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7:51:56 PM | Garbee | Wow, had to do a full NVRAM reset.
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7:53:28 PM | TheFu | Garbee, huh? Running Windows?
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7:54:28 PM | Garbee | TheFu: Tomato router firmware.
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7:54:32 PM | Garbee | My router is going wacky.
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7:54:40 PM | Garbee | And apparently, even that didn't solve it fully.... argh
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7:54:47 PM | TheFu | Ah ... time to get a real router?
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7:55:21 PM | TheFu | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/numbers-dont-lie-its-time-to-build-your-own-router/
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7:55:28 PM | Garbee | Lol. It's a Netgear R7000. It's plenty of router. Something just went wacky today.
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7:56:00 PM | TheFu | Might just be me, but I've had bad luck with netgear stuff.
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7:56:06 PM | Garbee | I've attempted the whole "build your own" before. They're too much trouble. I'd rather buy a good router box with real hardware in it and put open source firmware on it.
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7:56:25 PM | MarshMan | My R7000 has been flawless.
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7:56:29 PM | TheFu | I'm using an APU2 device.
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7:56:35 PM | Garbee | The R7000 is fine. Something just happened in the NVRAM and it's now going bonkers.
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7:56:37 PM | MarshMan | It will probably die now.
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7:56:47 PM | Garbee | Like a normal reset still had it pulling the wifi password from before the reset.
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7:56:53 PM | Garbee | That shouldn't happen. But it was doing it.
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7:57:23 PM | Garbee | But a full NVRAM clear on a reset got that cleared up.
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7:57:40 PM | TheFu | Did everyone see that openvpn defaults are allowing a MiTM type attack if compression is enabled pre-encryption?
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7:58:03 PM | TheFu | It was a paper at DefCon yesterday.
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7:58:59 PM | TheFu | Chargers have been used to hack devices for years.
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7:59:28 PM | MarshMan | Why is Apple a trillion $ business? $79 at a time
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8:00:34 PM | Garbee | You can get a USB Condom. It sits in between your device and whatever you're plugging into. It filters connections to power-only.
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8:00:35 PM | TheFu | Because you need $200 in cable converters as they change plugs every 2 yrs for everything.
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8:00:59 PM | TheFu | I still use VGA for video on my KVM switch.
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8:01:01 PM | MarshMan | TheFu: Absolutely!!
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8:01:04 PM | Garbee | http://syncstop.com/ --- Something like this.
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8:01:15 PM | TheFu | Haven't seen DisplayPort anywhere.
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8:01:26 PM | TheFu | HDMI and VGA here.
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8:01:29 PM | Garbee | Jeff_W: I just mentioned exactly that ^^
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8:02:05 PM | TheFu | Garbee, they haven't watched IRC.
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8:02:10 PM | TheFu | ;)
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8:02:34 PM | Garbee | Yes, they call it a USB Condom.
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8:02:35 PM | TheFu | And USB isn't the worst. Firewire and DisplayPort allow direct RAM access.
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8:02:55 PM | Garbee | THe one I linked....
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8:03:17 PM | Garbee | SyncStop is the brand now over Condom. But, we still call them condoms.
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8:03:52 PM | TheFu | Watch out buying cheap condoms from places with huge populations ... cough ... India.
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8:04:19 PM | Garbee | SashaR: Good call on gifting it. Everyone needs condoms.
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8:04:31 PM | Solbu | A firew, uhm, usbwall. :-)
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8:04:50 PM | TheFu | Or just carry your own spare battery/charger, like you need anyways.
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8:04:52 PM | Jeff_W | haha
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8:05:33 PM | TheFu | "the govt" - which govt?
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8:06:00 PM | Garbee | Oh, you can buy a 250 pack of the condoms to share with friends: https://shop.syncstop.com/collections/buy/products/usb-condom?variant=808574403
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8:06:18 PM | Garbee | Only $997.50.
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8:06:50 PM | SashaR | lol
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8:07:38 PM | TheFu | I broke some nosewheel steering code on really expensive spacecraft, once.
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8:08:07 PM | Garbee | Jeff_W: Paper trails stopped years ago.
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8:08:20 PM | Garbee | They go to the fireplace.
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8:08:55 PM | TheFu | Garbee, not here. I don't do electronic billing.
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8:09:03 PM | TheFu | I want paper bills.
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8:09:45 PM | TheFu | And won't allow automatic payments to be stolen from my account.
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8:09:58 PM | MarshMan | When I refinanced 5 years ago my hand cramped from the number of times I had to sign paper.
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8:10:47 PM | TheFu | Must be a Canadian thing.
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8:10:49 PM | Jeff_W | me too
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8:11:35 PM | TheFu | Doesn't Canada have VAT?
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8:12:34 PM | Jeff_W | vat?
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8:12:55 PM | TheFu | 15% sales tax? Value Added Tax?
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8:13:38 PM | TheFu | https://www.advalorem.ca/en/canada-vat-rates/
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8:13:40 PM | Jeff_W | we have harmonized sales tax in ontario. which is 13%
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8:14:14 PM | TheFu | 13%!!!!! That's like NYC!
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8:14:34 PM | MarshMan | Hey NYC is 8.25%
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8:14:36 PM | TheFu | 6% sales tax here on non-essential items.
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8:14:38 PM | GWG | NYC is 8.875%, isn't it?
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8:15:10 PM | Garbee | Jeff_W: They toss the largest amount they can on. And let the judge/jury decide what fair is on their own.
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8:15:32 PM | Garbee | That way they can try to capitalize as much as they can from the suit. Or outright scare the defendant into a settlement of some value.
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8:15:39 PM | TheFu | GWG - looks like you are correct.
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8:15:46 PM | MarshMan | GWG: You are cotrrect
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8:15:51 PM | GWG | Nassau is 8.625%
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8:16:09 PM | MarshMan | Yeah the local tax varies
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8:16:45 PM | MarshMan | they added a Metropolitan Commuter Transportation District surcharge of 0.375% in NYC
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8:16:53 PM | MarshMan | ?????
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8:16:55 PM | TheFu | I miss Texas. 7% tax, $0 income tax.
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8:16:59 PM | MarshMan | Surcharge??
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8:18:31 PM | Garbee | The show is not over.
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8:18:38 PM | Garbee | SHe still has more room in that mouth for her foot.
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8:18:47 PM | TheFu | I missed it.
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8:19:14 PM | Garbee | Jeff_W: It's ok. I get that slip half the time too.
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8:19:40 PM | Garbee | I still love you SashaR. It's ok. Don't worry.
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8:19:48 PM | MarshMan | SashaR: Tell them to get over it!!
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8:20:00 PM | Garbee | We do not know if he'll be a captain!
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8:20:14 PM | Jeff_W | i think he'll be an admiral
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8:20:15 PM | Garbee | He will be Jean Luc, but his role is undecided as of yet.
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8:20:16 PM | TheFu | Sir Patrick is 78 now. Will he be doing a Cpt Pike chair?
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8:20:39 PM | Garbee | Jeff_W: I think that or captain of a new lead ship with a new crew.
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8:21:06 PM | Garbee | All depends on if they want him to progress or have him decide that he doesn't like the higher ups.
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8:21:32 PM | Garbee | He's traditionally had *many* run-ins with how they do things higher in Starfleet.
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8:21:52 PM | TheFu | Ah ... like Janeway?
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8:21:55 PM | Garbee | So he could decide to go higher to do things the right way. Or stay captain and not deal with it.
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8:23:10 PM | Garbee | A diplomat always at the center of problems in space...
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8:23:20 PM | MarshMan | An active Diplomat?? is there such a thing?
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8:23:36 PM | Garbee | Or, Jonathan's ship.
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8:23:41 PM | Garbee | lol
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8:23:43 PM | TheFu | Militaries generally have forced retirements, even for Admirals.
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8:23:43 PM | Skywriter64 | Like the older rank of Commandore
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8:23:45 PM | Garbee | William Riker I mean.
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8:24:02 PM | Garbee | I was thinking his actual name, Jonathan Franks.
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8:24:30 PM | TheFu | No CBS Access here.
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8:24:32 PM | Garbee | Discovery is still like 80% good though.
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8:24:47 PM | revdjenk | Mydol
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8:24:49 PM | Garbee | TheFu: See me later in the week. If you have an Android device, I got your hook-up.
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8:25:10 PM | Garbee | I can't wait to see how they take Discovery with season 2.
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8:25:31 PM | TheFu | Jeff_W, yep.
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8:25:39 PM | Garbee | She only had like 4 total appearances.
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8:25:40 PM | Skywriter64 | The singing mother & daughter
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8:25:46 PM | Garbee | Only a "key" person in 2.
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8:25:50 PM | TheFu | She has an Oscar.
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8:25:56 PM | Garbee | I think one she had no lines outright. Just background basically.
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8:26:05 PM | TheFu | Ashley Judd.
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8:26:17 PM | Garbee | Condoms!
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8:26:21 PM | revdjenk | the news
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8:26:33 PM | Garbee | RobbieF: Don't forget the condom refrence.
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8:27:06 PM | TheFu | Shwing!
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8:27:32 PM | revdjenk | Nice wrap up
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8:27:38 PM | Garbee | hahahahaha
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8:27:50 PM | Garbee | Love ya Robbie!
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8:27:58 PM | BobK54 | Schweet!!
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8:28:15 PM | Garbee | I need to save a clip of Robbie calling me a jerk there.
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8:28:49 PM | SashaR | Thank you everyone :) :) See you next week!!!
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8:28:49 PM | Jeff_W | night everyone
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8:28:54 PM | Garbee | See ya'll later.
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8:28:57 PM | BobK54 | night all!
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8:28:58 PM | MarshMan | TTFN
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8:29:39 PM | TheFu | Back to Dark Matter.
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