Chat Logs for Episode 572 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 109 Posts:Garbee
With 63 Posts:TheFu
With 51 Posts:Dennis_Kelley
With 18 Posts:MarshMan
With 14 Posts:Solbu


Chat Logs:

6:58:06 PMSashaR If I win the lottery, you are all coming to the show!
6:58:20 PMDennis_Kelley do you play the lottery?
6:58:34 PMTheFu SashaR, Might want to state a minimum required win ... $5 ain't gonna cut it.
6:58:46 PMMarshMan SashaR: I am hoping to visit next month
6:58:46 PMTheFu Especially in CAD.
6:58:57 PMDennis_Kelley from where MarshMan
6:59:03 PMSashaR $5 american would!!!
6:59:03 PMMarshMan NY
6:59:08 PMTheFu Robbie sporting THE WORM shirt.
6:59:10 PMDennis_Kelley nice!
6:59:12 PMTheFu "nice"
6:59:21 PMSashaR That's gonna be awesome!!!
6:59:27 PMDennis_Kelley i see the LinuxMint logo!
7:00:13 PMDennis_Kelley SashaR did you get a microphone? watched RobbieF attempt to fix yours!
7:00:21 PMGarbee Dennis_Kelley: SSSSHHHHH
7:00:27 PMDennis_Kelley oh sorry!
7:00:39 PMSashaR well, I'm borrowing his right now :)
7:00:42 PMTheFu lips moving ... no sound.
7:00:44 PMGarbee That was a very intimate pre-show special.
7:00:56 PMGarbee We do not need to discuss it. Just like fight club.
7:01:02 PMDennis_Kelley right!
7:01:11 PMSashaR lol. I heard it was intense
7:01:18 PMSolbu TheFu: Yes, they're trying out a new feature: Silent movie.
7:01:19 PMGarbee Oh it was. Lots of whispering.
7:01:20 PMDennis_Kelley what happens in preshow, stays in preshow!
7:01:23 PMGarbee I even crashed the party.
7:01:23 PMSashaR I'm not plugged in yet!
7:01:31 PMKD4MAA @Garbee someone told me I can have more then one name or list or something?
7:01:52 PMMarshMan SashaR: I also played a VR game this past weekend.
7:01:52 PMDennis_Kelley KD4MAA you figured it out!
7:01:57 PMGarbee KD4MAA: Yup. On second. first you need to register a nick as your primary.
7:02:02 PMDennis_Kelley Hello RobbieF
7:02:03 PMMarshMan it didn't make me sick :)
7:02:04 PMGarbee Then you just register new nicks on that account.
7:02:19 PMGarbee https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
7:02:25 PMGarbee Yes we can hear you!
7:02:27 PMMarshMan do do do
7:02:45 PMGarbee No crackling yet.
7:03:02 PMDennis_Kelley Nope not on that mic Garbee
7:03:03 PMTheFu HAM ref for DJMike?
7:03:03 PMGarbee A bajillion is a lot.
7:03:08 PMGarbee Are you sure that number is accurate?
7:03:29 PMMarshMan Garbee: She meant bazillion
7:03:34 PMKD4MAA @SashaR amateur radio call sign
7:03:36 PMDennis_Kelley close to actual number Garbee
7:03:43 PMSkywriter64 Hi from very hot Brooklyn NY
7:03:58 PMMarshMan Skywriter64: Bklyn was hot today
7:04:02 PMTheFu Skywriter64, Hi from relatively cool Georgia.
7:04:10 PMSolbu SashaR: So instead of the mike cracling, your body is doing the cracleing? :-)
7:04:13 PMGarbee Have you ever seen a bajillion of anything?
7:04:13 PMDennis_Kelley Earth is Hot today!
7:04:32 PMSashaR We are going to be late...almost there
7:04:48 PMGarbee haha omg. I just thought of a terrible delayed joke.
7:04:53 PMTheFu SashaR, Have you tried the 1+ Burpee workout? Every day, add 1 more.
7:04:55 PMSkywriter64 I almost melted today!
7:05:27 PMTheFu Not here. Low 80s.
7:06:03 PMMarshMan Skywriter64: went to Microcenter in Bklyn today. Very hot by the Gowanus
7:06:13 PMGarbee Solbu: So, if people are connecting via a recognized web client I'm auto-voicing right away. They should be mostly safe from being spammers.
7:06:24 PMSolbu Garbee: I'm doing the same.
7:06:29 PMGarbee Anyone that is direct connection is being held up.
7:06:34 PMTheFu SashaR, Is that the park with the water fountains?
7:06:47 PMTheFu ATL-ish
7:06:49 PMABQTKY So Brooklyn - high 90s, high 90s humidity and not even a slight breeze??
7:06:56 PMSolbu Garbee: Clients using «gateway/web» hosts are not bots. Not yet at least.
7:06:57 PMGarbee kk just making sure what is going on is clear. This is a messy situation.
7:07:02 PMDennis_Kelley Georgia
7:07:15 PMDennis_Kelley TheFu: is in Georgia?
7:07:23 PMGarbee I've seen it, but it is rare and those clients try to control access in some way.
7:07:49 PMDennis_Kelley it was hot the last couple days in Michigan!
7:07:49 PMTheFu I moved here just before the '96 Olympics.
7:08:00 PMGarbee Yes we hear her perfectly RobbieF.
7:08:06 PMGarbee I even hear you well through her mic.
7:08:07 PMDennis_Kelley we have not had a weather check in a long time! and go!
7:08:16 PMMoeMaravilla 25c = 77f
7:08:27 PMGarbee Check check.
7:08:31 PMMoeMaravilla 30c = 86f
7:08:33 PMGarbee Waiter, please, this date is awful.
7:08:37 PMSashaR 43 Celcius
7:08:44 PMMoeMaravilla 35c = 95f
7:08:46 PMDennis_Kelley double it and add thirty for temp!
7:08:51 PMGarbee Yes RobbieF all clear.
7:09:02 PMMoeMaravilla 40c = 104f
7:09:11 PMSolbu Check bounced.
7:09:14 PMTheFu That's hot, even here.
7:09:16 PMGarbee yes.
7:09:19 PMDennis_Kelley 87 in michigan
7:09:20 PMGarbee It's right.
7:09:21 PMMarshMan 85F in mid-hudson valley
7:09:29 PMGarbee Farenheit is far from fair. It's mostly stupid.
7:09:30 PMTheFu Not quite ...
7:09:47 PMDennis_Kelley maybe thats metric
7:09:54 PMTheFu That's the quick and dirty method ... and close enough much of the time.
7:09:57 PMMoeMaravilla Not quite double 9/5
7:09:58 PMGarbee One of us will.
7:10:09 PMDennis_Kelley strange brew! Canadians dont know about Strange Brew!
7:10:34 PMSolbu And we have liftoff.
7:10:35 PMSkywriter64 Marshman,I went there this past Sunday for a New Tv antenna & hdd.
7:11:02 PMTheFu Weather = off.
7:11:03 PMGarbee Yah, all clear.
7:11:07 PMMarshMan Skywriter64: where did you go?
7:11:40 PMMarshMan Dissected perfect word
7:11:45 PMSolbu Hehe
7:12:53 PMSkywriter64 Went to the freezer to cool off
7:13:03 PMTheFu So I guess Jeff knows where he is in the pecking order? Sent home?
7:13:08 PMDennis_Kelley its not the volts that is the issue, its current you have to worry about. Mics are very low current
7:13:10 PMGarbee SashaR: At least *now* you know!
7:13:29 PMDennis_Kelley no you didnt RobbieF
7:13:37 PMGarbee Right now, the wires themselves they don't need to worry about. Robbie destroyed them.
7:13:47 PMDennis_Kelley right Garbee
7:13:53 PMDennis_Kelley no way!
7:14:01 PMGarbee THERE IS A RECORD. IT IS IN MY BRAIN!
7:14:03 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF is great at soldering!
7:14:05 PMMarshMan RobbieF: I took screen shots
7:14:19 PMDennis_Kelley right!
7:14:25 PMDennis_Kelley we have the proof!
7:15:05 PMGarbee SashaR: Did he show you the components? It was a tight fit. Very hard for anyone to do that without some very specific equipment to help.
7:15:22 PMMarshMan It'll cost you
7:15:28 PMGarbee He was just appreciating your fingernails.
7:15:33 PMGarbee That's all the screenshots were of.
7:15:38 PMTheFu Duct tape could hold it all together, certainly.
7:15:51 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF we like your ring by the way!
7:16:00 PMGarbee Robbie's solder job looked like rabbit turds.
7:16:09 PMGarbee #TrueFact
7:16:31 PMDennis_Kelley i could see, just not talk!
7:16:58 PMGarbee She only winks when her husband is in studio.
7:17:06 PMGarbee Even I get that correlation.
7:17:27 PMDennis_Kelley i like being a cylon
7:18:34 PMDennis_Kelley #TrueSay Garbee
7:19:13 PMMarshMan we beat himup
7:19:15 PMGarbee The difference is, dentist is dealing with human bodies that aren't always understandable. Robbie was dealing with a board and wire.
7:19:47 PMGarbee Robbie has no excuse except big hands and a thick soldering iron that wouldn't fit well in the case.
7:19:49 PMDennis_Kelley twelve mics later, he will have it fixed!
7:20:09 PMSolbu Hehe
7:20:23 PMTheFu hehe.
7:21:02 PMDennis_Kelley Magic of post production
7:21:03 PMTheFu I love going to the dentist, especially if there will be blood. NOT!
7:21:17 PMTheFu Nerf football!
7:21:49 PMDennis_Kelley its fragile, thats why they put it in an envelope!
7:22:05 PMGarbee I was about to say that is the most conveniently timed phantom power adapter delivery.
7:22:37 PMTheFu Looks like a space station model.
7:22:56 PMDennis_Kelley why not!
7:23:17 PMDennis_Kelley they are going to go blind!
7:23:42 PMGarbee hahahah, Robbie's face.
7:23:49 PMGarbee You may want to redo this section of the show.
7:23:52 PMGarbee And not turn that on.
7:24:00 PMTheFu Dennis_Kelley, I think that is for something else.
7:24:18 PMDennis_Kelley the glare!
7:24:26 PMGWG Confirmed to HKG. Wish me luck in getting the rest of the way
7:24:27 PMMarshMan Kelvin
7:24:39 PMGarbee 'ey GWG.
7:24:42 PMDJMike @RobbieF How many light box do you have?
7:24:52 PMTheFu GWG, Visit the Peak! or if you have time, Macua is nice.
7:25:14 PMGarbee Not 90% of the days.
7:25:21 PMGarbee We can be honest.
7:25:54 PMDennis_Kelley how Garbee he threw you under the bus!
7:26:00 PMDJMike @Robbie @SashaR How many light box do you have?
7:26:04 PMDennis_Kelley *Wow
7:26:08 PMGWG I want to go home
7:26:13 PMGarbee I throw him under the whole set of city public transit busses.
7:26:24 PMGWG I am going to stand st the airport until they let me go home
7:26:25 PMGarbee Ok, RobbieF needs to go get that thing.
7:26:28 PMGarbee Keyboard or something.
7:26:35 PMDJMike I am laughing so hard I need to hold on to my desk lol
7:26:53 PMGarbee That's just honest. I am terrible.
7:26:54 PMTheFu GWG, sometimes enough travel is enough travel.
7:26:58 PMGarbee Rabbit turd soldereer.
7:27:15 PMTheFu Off the air, Garbee .... he says that.
7:27:19 PMGarbee solderist?
7:27:21 PMDennis_Kelley that is RobbieF new nickname, Garbee
7:27:23 PMGarbee I don't know how we'd say that one properly.
7:28:08 PMDennis_Kelley Rabbit Turd soldering person, doesnt sound the same
7:28:32 PMTheFu Like the Rocketeer?
7:28:35 PMGWG TheFu, exactly
7:28:39 PMTheFu Soldereer?
7:28:43 PMGarbee SashaR: The sushi cam is a bonus feature.
7:28:55 PMGarbee TheFu: I meant solderer*.
7:29:14 PMMarshMan Tre cool
7:29:45 PMSolbu Nest week: Robbi builds a new microphone.
7:29:45 PMDennis_Kelley wait, that Sushi thing is made in china? What?
7:30:13 PMGarbee hahahaha
7:30:21 PMGarbee I shall feed you my blood.
7:30:34 PMGarbee And hey! No crackling so far.
7:30:49 PMDennis_Kelley no Solbu, next show is how RobbieF turns off the solder iron!
7:31:02 PMSolbu Dennis_Kelley: Ahh, yea. One step at a time. :_)
7:31:05 PMSolbu :-)
7:31:17 PMDennis_Kelley ask him to show his arm!
7:31:34 PMDennis_Kelley SashaR ask RobbieF about his arm!
7:31:37 PMMarshMan RobbieF: did you start recording?
7:31:41 PMGarbee You also have heckling RobbieF.
7:31:46 PMGarbee Dont' forget I'm watching.
7:32:16 PMGarbee We watched the burn happen live.
7:32:18 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF does your arm smell like Sushi?
7:32:30 PMDennis_Kelley No it does not!
7:32:39 PMGarbee Without Jeff here you can actually hit everything.
7:32:53 PMTheFu G'night.
7:33:00 PMTheFu Tip your waiters.
7:33:02 PMGarbee See ya TheFu.
7:33:32 PMTheFu Ah ... that wasn't the end of the show.
7:33:38 PMGarbee nope
7:33:43 PMGarbee This show is going into overtime.
7:34:43 PMTheFu Video editing is one of 3 things I still do on Windows. As a LUG organizer, it is embarrassing.
7:35:11 PMGarbee Solbu: Oh nice, IRCCloud easily shows me if people are logged in or not. So that can help speed up letting some people in too.
7:35:30 PMSolbu Garbee: irc-what?
7:35:42 PMGarbee SashaR... um, Linux is that one guy at the top. We call him Linus.
7:36:06 PMGarbee irccloud.com The online client I use.
7:36:32 PMTheFu Linux development is a huge pyramid scheme ... that works.
7:36:56 PMGarbee We have recently learned, MS now has a backchannel to discuss security issues with Linux devs. So that's nice.
7:37:07 PMGarbee Spectre/Meltdown brought one good thing for us.
7:37:14 PMDennis_Kelley give it to world or sell it to the world. two different mind sets!
7:38:13 PMTheFu RobbieF, have you looked at Ubuntu-Studio?
7:38:40 PMSolbu TheFu: I was having the same idea.
7:39:03 PMGarbee I'm sure he has. But he's trying to stay behind Canonical.
7:39:06 PMGarbee er, ahead of.
7:39:16 PMGarbee So Robbie prefers Debian direct based distros now.
7:39:40 PMTheFu THat's what PPAs give you ... and snaps.
7:39:46 PMTheFu I think.
7:39:53 PMMoeMaravilla I use Debian with Mate.
7:40:12 PMMoeMaravilla Have used RedHat/CentOS and SLES.
7:40:31 PMGarbee Yah. I regret recommending Elementary.
7:40:53 PMGarbee So many little quirks ended up annoying me so much too.
7:41:27 PMGarbee They are working on multiple monitor support with varied DPIs and all. It's a part of the HiDPI push. But it is still some ways out because that stuff is hard.
7:41:37 PMGarbee I think they are collaborating with System76 on it.
7:42:06 PMDJMike I only have pi-star from http://www.pistar.uk/
7:43:14 PMTheFu Slackware, Arch, Debian, RHEL ... are the biggies.
7:43:26 PMSashaR Thank you :)
7:43:48 PMGarbee SashaR: Here you go, be amazed after the show: https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=family-tree
7:44:26 PMTheFu That graph is huge - hard to read on less than a projector. ;)
7:44:32 PMGarbee You can install Flatpak on this and get an up-to-date GIMP in an isolated and secure space.
7:44:37 PMGarbee That's another alternative.
7:44:50 PMTheFu Snaps are the Canonical version of Flatpaks.
7:45:02 PMGarbee Yea, snaps that no one but Canonical supports.
7:45:02 PMSashaR Awesome ... thanks :)
7:45:03 PMTheFu 18.04 is build using Snaps for many things.
7:45:26 PMTheFu I think Flatpak will win ... when Canonical finally gives up in 5 yrs.
7:45:28 PMGarbee Literally, no one is working on supporting Snaps. Canonical pissed everyone off when they launched it the way they handled it.
7:45:58 PMGarbee I think Flatpaks will absorb some of the good ideas of snaps as far as configuration/ease-of-use in the end.
7:46:05 PMTheFu Garbee, I'm pissed off about snaps being used without asking. They install stuff with it and don't ask first.
7:46:07 PMGarbee In terms of making a container.
7:46:48 PMGarbee TheFu: Eh, it is a sandboxed environment. It makes sense to default to them where you can for the best security for users.
7:46:58 PMTheFu I use Zimbra and Thunderbird + Lightning + an addressbook link into Zimbra. All works well.
7:47:35 PMTheFu Garbee, But they break many things that leverage external libraries ... like their VLC can't play commercial DVDs.
7:48:00 PMTheFu I like the idea too.
7:48:22 PMGarbee TheFu: Yes because of licensing issues there. I agree that kind of thing eventually needs to be addressed. But right now, they're all doing the best they can with what they have.
7:48:43 PMTheFu But I hate the current implementation. The loops for each package are sucking up boot time and resoruces in 18.04 so people complain.
7:49:03 PMTheFu Garbee, and that's anti-LTS.
7:49:13 PMTheFu They should test on non-LTS releases.
7:49:30 PMGarbee That's absolutely a Canonical bone-headed decision.
7:49:39 PMGarbee Neither snaps nor flatpaks are perfect. Even AppImages aren't. But, they are at least working towards a solution that is very much needed.
7:49:49 PMGarbee Canonical doing it poorly is its own thing.
7:50:07 PMTheFu They were smart rolling back Wayland support for 18.04 ... but pushing snaps without a full test in 17.10 was foolish, IMHO.
7:50:45 PMGarbee You'd come to us SashaR.
7:50:47 PMGarbee This chatroom.
7:51:00 PMGarbee Response time varies between 5 minutes and 5 years. But we are here for you.
7:51:16 PMTheFu Ubuntu server 18.04 has stability issues being reported, still.
7:51:33 PMSkywriter64 Which e-mail?
7:51:38 PMTheFu SashaR, If you ask on UBuntuForums, I'll try to answer.
7:51:39 PMSolbu Ask RobbieF, ask your doctor.
7:52:34 PMDennis_Kelley If SashaR was not playing VR games, she would have time for us in the chat
7:53:21 PMTheFu With scooters, Uber doesn't need as many "contractors."
7:53:46 PMMoeMaravilla So Uber will pick you up on a scooter?
7:54:22 PMTheFu MoeMaravilla, No, I'll have to drive 30 miles into town to rent a scooter for a 4 block scoot, instead of walking it.
7:55:43 PMTheFu I have an extreme performance issue with Firefox on my main desktop.
7:56:02 PMMoeMaravilla We're not tracking you... But don't turn off your camera.
7:56:38 PMTheFu The exact same FF install and addons works fine on my limited laptop.
7:59:16 PMGarbee Not Google ads. But many adverts are very heavy on processors, especially mobile where everything matters.
7:59:40 PMGarbee Just look at any news site that has ads that overtake the page. Those are the ads that hurt web performance.
8:00:33 PMGarbee That youtube thing pointed out is the Youtube ad service.
8:00:42 PMGarbee Youtube video embed itself is above that and much smaller.
8:00:49 PMTheFu https://zoompf.com/- web performance tuning.
8:01:51 PMGarbee TheFu: Anything that place is doing you can do for free with webpagetest and chrome devtools and the knowledge of how to interpret the data.
8:02:15 PMGarbee And in the case of DevTools, they actually make pretty nice reports using Lighthouse now when you audit a site.
8:02:27 PMTheFu Garbee, agreed. That company is run by a friend.;)
8:02:43 PMGarbee Congrats on the acquisition.
8:03:32 PMTheFu Yep, he's been buying the beers recently, but it was lean for about 4 yrs.
8:04:40 PMTheFu At a security conf presentation, he once hacked into a European bank just to show how easy it was, live.
8:05:33 PMTheFu It was off the cuff ... not part of the planned presentation.
8:06:35 PMTheFu Maybe it wasn't a eurobank ...
8:10:29 PMTheFu Uber got a new CEO.
8:14:15 PMTheFu Can you balance on a scooter if you are elderly? Perhaps not.
8:22:01 PMGarbee Good show there Rabbit Turd Solderer.
8:22:37 PMGarbee So those Elementary OS bugs finally consumed you too RobbieF?
8:23:11 PMGarbee Yea. I've been meaning to ask you about that. But you're not online. Just to see how things are.
8:23:19 PMMarshMan G'night all!!
8:23:22 PMSashaR Thank you all ... I can't wait until next week :)
8:23:38 PMGarbee I still deal with Elementary when I am on Linux because I love structure of the DE. But damn those little quirks add up.
8:23:52 PMGarbee No crackling
8:23:56 PMGarbee All show
8:23:59 PMGarbee Not a peep of it.
8:24:02 PMGarbee Bye SashaR
8:24:14 PMSashaR Good night :)
8:28:43 PMDennis_Kelley RobbieF great show
8:38:10 PMGarbee RobbieF: Ya'll are very good at keeping a straight face through all the heckling.

Participants

Does Not Include Lurkers
ABQTKY
DJMike
Dennis_Kelley
GWG
Garbee
KD4MAA
MarshMan
MoeMaravilla
SashaR
Skywriter64
Solbu
TheFu