| 6:58:07 PM | Garbee | oh Jeff_W I have 2 hackintoshes going.
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| 6:58:17 PM | Garbee | You haven't been around to hear about either I think.
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| 6:58:42 PM | Solbu | Check received.
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| 6:58:56 PM | Solbu | But it seems the check bounced.
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| 6:58:57 PM | Garbee | The check bounced.
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| 6:59:15 PM | Garbee | lol, we both did a bounce joke at once.
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| 6:59:22 PM | Garbee | Yes we hear you
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| 6:59:36 PM | TheFu | I'm hearing thumping.
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| 7:00:06 PM | MarshMan | The thumping hurt a little
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| 7:00:16 PM | Garbee | Sadly we hear you RobbieF
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| 7:00:37 PM | Garbee | RobbieF: You can just turn Jeff_W's and your mic off.
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| 7:00:50 PM | Garbee | Make tonight a SashaR show.
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| 7:01:25 PM | MarshMan | SashaR: SashaR SashaR
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| 7:01:27 PM | Garbee | Yes we can hear you all.
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| 7:01:42 PM | Garbee | So, I bet tonight we get through 20% of the material with Jeff_W back.
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| 7:02:47 PM | Garbee | hahahahaa
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| 7:03:36 PM | Guest_6968 | 2 am here
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| 7:04:26 PM | MarshMan | Jeff_W: Save me some jerky
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| 7:04:40 PM | Guest_6968 | Finland
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| 7:04:41 PM | TheFu | "bag a deer" - wouldn't it be kinder to shot it?
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| 7:04:49 PM | Garbee | reverse lookup the IP
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| 7:04:54 PM | Garbee | One moment..
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| 7:04:54 PM | TheFu | s/shot/shoot/
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| 7:05:36 PM | Skywriter64 | hieveryone
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| 7:05:47 PM | Garbee | Finland SashaR
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| 7:06:14 PM | MarshMan | We still love you SashaR
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| 7:06:17 PM | Cee_128d | Two weeks off and Jeff forgets everything about the show.
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| 7:06:25 PM | Jeff_W | you know it
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| 7:07:53 PM | Garbee | Rabbit poop soldering job.
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| 7:09:04 PM | Solbu | And yes, No crackle! :-)
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| 7:09:15 PM | MarshMan | SashaR: Call RobbieF
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| 7:10:08 PM | MarshMan | Jeff_W: I am up at 4:30
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| 7:10:50 PM | Cee_128d | The only time I'm awake at that time is when I haven't gone to bed yet.
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| 7:10:54 PM | TheFu | After hours support = time + materials, always.
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| 7:11:20 PM | MarshMan | Cee_128d: I feel that way sometimes
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| 7:11:42 PM | DJMike | @RobbieF Donate it to them (her work)
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| 7:11:44 PM | TheFu | I naturally wake around 4:30a daily.
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| 7:12:03 PM | Jeff_W | exactly cee_128d
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| 7:13:26 PM | Garbee | I think my bad behavior is rubbing off on RobbieF. He just shamed SashaR on air live.
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| 7:14:09 PM | Solbu | RobbieF, Jeff_W: Perhaps better explanation: A virtual server is a simulated system, that simulate a real system.
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| 7:15:24 PM | TheFu | Have a Win7 VM. Stopped patching it over 2 yrs ago. Every few months, the KVM hypervisor suspends it. It has plenty of storage left.
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| 7:15:26 PM | MarshMan | Jeff_W: You can never have too much pi
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| 7:16:13 PM | MarshMan | RobbieF: And you had no car
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| 7:17:14 PM | TheFu | Jeff_W, "slave" isn't an allowed word anymore.
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| 7:17:23 PM | Guest_6968 | S7 also have another stupid fail. The usb-port replace needs also a screen change.
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| 7:17:57 PM | MarshMan | TheFu: what's the replacement word?
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| 7:18:48 PM | MarshMan | RobbieF: except with soldering
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| 7:18:57 PM | Garbee | SashaR: Trust me, 9/100 is closer to Robbie's actual ratio.
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| 7:19:07 PM | TheFu | $400 solves a simple HDMI problem. Nice standards.
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| 7:19:48 PM | TheFu | MarshMan, I don't know, but the python guys have removed "master" and "slave" ... or was it a different team?
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| 7:20:23 PM | Garbee | Many projects are removing master/slave and whitelist/blacklist.
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| 7:20:24 PM | TheFu | Jeff_W, I was talknig about SashaR's issue.
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| 7:20:36 PM | Jeff_W | oh ok
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| 7:20:39 PM | Garbee | Python I believe is one doing it.
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| 7:20:56 PM | Solbu | Use the partner links to buy a fake sd-card… :-)=
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| 7:21:06 PM | MarshMan | RobbieF: Rock and roll
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| 7:21:37 PM | TheFu | Did anyone tell the Facebook viewers what's happening?
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| 7:21:46 PM | MarshMan | RobbieF: Keep the faith brother!!
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| 7:21:51 PM | SashaR | Nope
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| 7:21:56 PM | SashaR | We forgot to!
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| 7:23:11 PM | TheFu | What happens if the Atmos fills up? Flash a different color?
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| 7:23:35 PM | Garbee | It stops recording.
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| 7:23:42 PM | Garbee | So no flashing light that it is recording.
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| 7:24:35 PM | TheFu | RobbieF, to keep the middleman out, do amazon gift cards work?
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| 7:24:37 PM | Solbu | A buck here and a buck there is quicly two bucks.
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| 7:26:29 PM | TheFu | Performance for SBCs: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=16-armlinux-sep2018&num=1
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| 7:26:36 PM | Cee_128d | But can it run Crysis?
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| 7:27:08 PM | TheFu | Cee_128d, wrong CPU architecture, so probably not.
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| 7:27:21 PM | Jeff_W | LOVE crysis
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| 7:27:46 PM | Cee_128d | I was being facetious.
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| 7:28:43 PM | Garbee | https://shop.category5.tv/?product=rock64-4k60p-hdr-capable-sbc
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| 7:28:53 PM | Garbee | In case anyone else is interested in this board.
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| 7:31:35 PM | Garbee | Once you go 98 cores you don't go back.
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| 7:32:10 PM | Garbee | https://cat5.tv/pine64
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| 7:33:45 PM | MarshMan | SashaR: There is a brief echo when Robbie switches to and from the product camera. FYI
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| 7:34:23 PM | SashaR | Thank you... is it distracting enought to tell him now?
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| 7:34:37 PM | TheFu | I didn't notice it.
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| 7:34:52 PM | MarshMan | Very brief
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| 7:35:05 PM | SashaR | Okay.. then it's not too bad, you have good ears TheFu
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| 7:35:15 PM | MarshMan | headphones may make it more noticeable
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| 7:35:15 PM | TheFu | cntl-+ implied a shift was required, right?
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| 7:35:27 PM | SashaR | MarshMan, I'll tell him on the break :)
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| 7:35:35 PM | TheFu | SashaR, huh?
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| 7:35:39 PM | Cee_128d | Not worth interupting him during the show. Just let him know for furture shows.
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| 7:35:52 PM | SashaR | Thank you!
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| 7:35:55 PM | MarshMan | Yeah it was just an FYI
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| 7:36:57 PM | TheFu | I use rdate
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| 7:37:21 PM | TheFu | Security stuff cares about date/time stuff.
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| 7:37:22 PM | Solbu | TheFu: rdate is not supported by all services, ntpdate is a better idea.
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| 7:37:47 PM | TheFu | Solbu, I thought NTP stuff wasn't secure anymore.
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| 7:38:09 PM | TheFu | I still use it, but only on my LANs.
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| 7:38:24 PM | Garbee | TheFu: NTP is fine. It's just *servers* that are poorly configured are an issue.
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| 7:38:32 PM | Solbu | ntp is insecure, if you don't secure it. Surprise, surprise.
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| 7:38:34 PM | Garbee | But, that's just like anything else in tech.
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| 7:38:45 PM | TheFu | I need to switch to the secure time sync stuff, someday.
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| 7:39:22 PM | Solbu | I often install chrony on systems that have time problems or doesn't have a RTC clock.
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| 7:39:45 PM | TheFu | I'm seeing wildly different pricing for the Rock64.... $35 to $95.
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| 7:39:46 PM | Solbu | chrony is a ntp client/server that doesn't care how large time difference the system is from the ntp servers.
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| 7:40:23 PM | Solbu | It updates the clock regardless, whereas ntp and openntp refuse to update if the time difference is larger that half a second.
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| 7:42:44 PM | Solbu | RobbieF, Jeff_W: We didn't hear the audio from the youtube test.
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| 7:43:28 PM | SashaR | I don't know there was any
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| 7:43:34 PM | Garbee | RobbieF: But can I mine bitcoin or transcode 4k videos on it?
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| 7:43:36 PM | Jeff_W | ok good
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| 7:43:58 PM | Garbee | (Sarcasm, don't actually ask that on air.)
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| 7:44:01 PM | TheFu | Garbee, yes, you can, but it isn't a great idea.
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| 7:44:04 PM | TheFu | ;)
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| 7:44:42 PM | TheFu | I tried to transcode a hidef video to 480p using an old Atom N270 ... took about 36 hrs.
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| 7:44:53 PM | DJMike | @RobbieF Not sure if you are running the BSP but its not working.
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| 7:45:56 PM | DJMike | Oh ok
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| 7:46:12 PM | DJMike | Yes for like a sec
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| 7:46:31 PM | MarshMan | Very brief
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| 7:46:56 PM | Solbu | RobbieF, Jeff_W: I heard it too. Have heard it for a few months.
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| 7:47:04 PM | TheFu | Question - at what point does a cheap intel CPU/build make more sense than an SBC that costs $60+
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| 7:47:04 PM | MarshMan | That's fine
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| 7:47:08 PM | DJMike | the one shot
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| 7:47:09 PM | Garbee | It's fine, just hte one shot
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| 7:47:17 PM | MarshMan | Only product cam
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| 7:47:21 PM | SocalMadness | Hey @RobbieF what do you use to edit video with
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| 7:47:46 PM | TheFu | SocalMadness, some commercial Widnows program.
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| 7:47:48 PM | Garbee | Yea, we had that issue before with that camera.
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| 7:48:20 PM | Skywriter64 | which linux is he running on the pine?
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| 7:48:22 PM | SocalMadness | haha
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| 7:48:30 PM | Garbee | Check for the blinking light!
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| 7:48:48 PM | TheFu | Is the light still blinking?
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| 7:49:23 PM | Jeff_W | yes
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| 7:49:53 PM | eastaustinsttech | So by putting on android, can this be used as a "TV" box?
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| 7:49:58 PM | TheFu | RobbieF, I use some cheap proprietary Windows software for video editing too. For my needs, the Linux options just don't cut it.
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| 7:51:08 PM | Jeff_W | yes you can eastaustiontech
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| 7:51:10 PM | eastaustinsttech | I go wired
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| 7:51:59 PM | Gopher | is there an android TV distro or are you think regular android eastaustinsttech ?
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| 7:52:11 PM | SocalMadness | Thank @RobbieF
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| 7:52:33 PM | TheFu | wouldn't kodi work on the SBC too?
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| 7:53:45 PM | Garbee | I gotta head home. See everyone who is left around in a bit hopefully.
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| 7:53:57 PM | Jeff_W | night garbee
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| 7:54:01 PM | Solbu | See you Garbee.
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| 7:54:22 PM | Skywriter64 | The FU, yes KODI would work.Check with Lon.tv
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| 7:54:48 PM | eastaustinsttech | now my clients and I can look into dropping spectrum while waiting for GOOGLE fiber
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| 7:55:16 PM | TheFu | Google found this ... https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=5420 Kodi/AndroidTV on rock64.
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| 7:58:05 PM | TheFu | ATC is read-only for most accesses.
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| 7:58:27 PM | Skywriter64 | Bye everyone ,I have to watch the finale of AGT
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| 7:59:20 PM | TheFu | $100/hr is cheap for telecom expertise.
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| 8:01:45 PM | Solbu | I'd charge $10 per IP address lookup.
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| 8:03:18 PM | TheFu | They need to look up by the exact date/time, what IP was assigned to which address. That is at least 2 very different systems.
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| 8:03:46 PM | TheFu | One will be part of "network" and the other will be part of accounts/billing.
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| 8:04:50 PM | Jeff_W | and this happened years ago...meaning going over old data
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| 8:06:00 PM | MarshMan | My Mac has never crashed
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| 8:06:51 PM | TheFu | Jeff_W, the legal team probably sent out a records retention demand initially. That should prevent deletion, in theory.
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| 8:06:52 PM | Solbu | The swedish ISP Bahnhof solves it by not logging any customer data. They don't log any information on which customer have what IP address, because the swedish law don't (yet) require it.
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| 8:07:39 PM | TheFu | But ... if a system upgrade happens, the DB schema is likely to change and old records won't be valid anymore.
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| 8:09:43 PM | Solbu | Jeff_W: Linus recognized this because people in his coding community confronted him with his lack of recognizing peoples emotions.
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| 8:11:31 PM | MarshMan | Linus has been confronted for YEARS
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| 8:12:01 PM | MarshMan | Cue the kissing noises
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| 8:12:39 PM | TheFu | I think Jeff_W is correct. Some "Platinum level" sponsor for the Linux Foundation probably said they were leaving until this was fixed.
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| 8:13:07 PM | TheFu | Or his kids asked him "why is daddy mean to other people?"
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| 8:13:46 PM | Garbee | Cool, made it back in time for the end.
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| 8:14:14 PM | TheFu | Hey ... thoughts on why Linus apologized?
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| 8:14:27 PM | Jeff_W | yup thefu...
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| 8:14:30 PM | Garbee | SashaR: But you are a bad person for sending a bad patch.
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| 8:14:40 PM | Garbee | You should know better before sending it in.
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| 8:15:21 PM | TheFu | Linus thinks if you read 1 byte at a time, you should have been pre-aborted since you are too stupid to find a tit to suck.
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| 8:15:26 PM | MarshMan | This is killing Jeff_W
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| 8:15:54 PM | Jeff_W | yup
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| 8:16:31 PM | TheFu | BTW, that isn't a direct quote, but that was the gist.
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| 8:16:41 PM | MarshMan | Now gimme money
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| 8:16:52 PM | TheFu | Linus used more colorful wording. ;(
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| 8:17:34 PM | MarshMan | Not a single crackle all night
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| 8:18:00 PM | Jeff_W | night all
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| 8:18:05 PM | TheFu | q;night
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| 8:18:11 PM | Garbee | Bye SashaR and Jeff_W
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| 8:18:18 PM | MarshMan | TTFN
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| 8:18:24 PM | SashaR | Good night my dear friends :)
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| 8:19:26 PM | TheFu | SashaR, https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds for more Linus quotes.
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| 8:25:03 PM | Solbu | I think that the sould searching that Linus is doing can only be a good thing. It's a good thing to think about how one behave towards people if one get a complaint, something Linus says he got.
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| 8:25:08 PM | Solbu | *soul
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| 8:25:30 PM | TheFu | Solbu, agreed.
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| 8:26:00 PM | Garbee | Yea, someone in his close circle finally told him off.
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| 8:26:05 PM | Solbu | Even if he keeps ranting and shouting against bad patches, and skip the personall attacks, that is a big improvement.
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| 8:26:14 PM | Garbee | So it hit him harder than anyone else doing it (as they have been for years.)
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| 8:26:38 PM | TheFu | Linus isn't always correct.
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| 8:26:44 PM | Solbu | What I thught when I read his e-mail was – somebodys prayer is answered.
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| 8:26:48 PM | Solbu | *thought
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| 8:27:18 PM | Solbu | And, somebody talked to him in a way that he could understand.
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| 8:27:34 PM | TheFu | After reading the overview paragraph, I figured it was the SJW people who had to be happy. PostgreSQL came out with their CoC.
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| 8:27:42 PM | TheFu | I find it much more agreeable.
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| 8:28:06 PM | Solbu | Besides, I don't think it's Linus who wrote the new Code of Conduct.
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| 8:28:32 PM | TheFu | He committed it to the Kernel VERY QUICKLY.
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| 8:29:06 PM | Solbu | Yes, because it's he who pulles patches. But the Code of Conduct commit was by Greg.
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| 8:29:08 PM | Garbee | No he didn't write it.
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| 8:29:22 PM | TheFu | Finally, it’s clear that I’m not only the smartest person around, I’m also incredibly good-looking, and that my infallible charm is also second only to my becoming modesty.
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| 8:29:31 PM | Garbee | The guy that requested the addition pulled it from the Covanent code or whatever.
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| 8:29:57 PM | Garbee | https://www.contributor-covenant.org/
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| 8:29:59 PM | Garbee | That place
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| 8:30:42 PM | Solbu | And yes, Robbiewas right. Linus have been open all along that he isn't a nice person in e-mail.
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| 8:30:53 PM | Garbee | Oh yea, that's no secret.
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| 8:32:40 PM | Solbu | The fact that he did this the same week that the community people confrinted him, is evidence that it has hit him that he have been handleing people the wrong way maybe from the beginning.
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| 8:33:32 PM | Solbu | His e-mail shows that he really want to change it, since he intend to have a timeout in order to seek advice
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| 8:35:55 PM | Garbee | It wasn't really a "community person" or group. It was one of his "lieutenants" in a conference call during the Kernel event.
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| 8:36:21 PM | Garbee | He was pissed at Linus doing what he did with vacation to try and avoid it instead of just *saying he didn't want to go* in advance.
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| 8:36:38 PM | Garbee | So they moved it, and had to do a split conference call with some because they couldn't switch countries and all.
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| 8:37:00 PM | Garbee | It was upsetting and threw them over the edge. So they let Linus know. And it really upset him at that point seeing what his actions do to people.
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| 8:37:22 PM | Garbee | That's probably as much detail as we'll ever figure out about it. Because everyone close is, of course, trying to keep it private and hush-hush.
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| 8:37:40 PM | Solbu | That lieutenant is in his community. so it's a community person who confronted him. Provided it was that conversation he's referring to.
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| 8:37:42 PM | Garbee | I respect them for that too, it isn't like we need to know all the details. Just that someone finally got through to him.
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| 8:38:03 PM | Garbee | eh, if you're at that level to Linus you're far from community area.
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| 8:38:17 PM | Garbee | Like, those are literally his direct inner circle of devs.
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| 8:38:29 PM | Garbee | They are the ones who actively maintain the kernel. He just double checks their work.
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| 8:38:30 PM | Solbu | That is still a communty.
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| 8:38:48 PM | Garbee | I'm talking about *Linus*'s perspective.
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| 8:38:51 PM | Garbee | They are not community.
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| 8:39:06 PM | Solbu | Yes they are.
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| 8:39:13 PM | Solbu | But that is not my point.
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| 8:39:31 PM | Solbu | My point is that he is not identifying the person of persons that congronted him.
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| 8:39:35 PM | Solbu | *or
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| 8:40:16 PM | Garbee | Think of Lieutenants like core maintainers. They came into the project from the community. But they've evolved in respect to the project to be in it instead of outside of it.
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| 8:40:53 PM | TheFu | The top 30 people do some amazing work, usually.
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| 8:41:29 PM | Garbee | I'm gonna go watch some twitch and turn my brain off.
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| 8:41:35 PM | Garbee | Maybe have a bowl of ice cream.
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| 8:41:43 PM | TheFu | Enjoy.
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| 8:42:26 PM | Solbu | Garbee: I disagree with you. I have a close circle of really good friends. And i have close family members. They are all part of my community. We scandinavians, and I think also Finnish people thing that way.
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| 8:42:39 PM | Solbu | *think
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| 8:43:14 PM | TheFu | Linus has been in the USA a long time.
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| 8:43:15 PM | Garbee | Solbu: I am literally speaking based on how *LINUS* himself has explained how he sees things in terms of the *project*.
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| 8:43:25 PM | Garbee | It's very much how most open source projects are operated that I see.
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| 8:43:43 PM | Garbee | You eventually evolve beyond being a pure community member once you are a relied upon contributor.
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| 8:44:09 PM | Garbee | Yes, they can still be in "community". But, in regards to the project and the respect Linus has for them, it's way above that.
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| 8:44:23 PM | Garbee | It's not just "any old community member" got to Linus. That hasn't ever worked.
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| 8:44:48 PM | Solbu | Garbee: And Linus himself stated in the now famous e-mail that it was perople in the Community that confrinted him. If his lieutenants is not in that community, then it was not that pissed off lieutenant that he is talking about that confronted him.
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| 8:45:36 PM | Solbu | I have read the entire e-mail a few times, he said exactly that.
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| 8:45:59 PM | Garbee | The Lieutenant got to him. Then he probably went back and re-read the pissed off emails and it got to him more.
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| 8:46:29 PM | Garbee | And yes, he's doing the right thing by trying to be inclusive to the wider audiences issues as well in his apology and not make it just about his inner circle.
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| 8:47:18 PM | Garbee | But, it wasn't just community people bitching that got to him in the slightest at first. He has literally never given two cares at all and even *planned* his vacation to do just that if anyone cared.
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| 8:49:39 PM | Solbu | But you are wrong on one point, he did not Plan on missing the maintainership summit, he screwed it up and was embarrased about that. But since he screwed that up, he hoped to continue his family vacation in any case.
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| 8:50:45 PM | Solbu | In any case, that screwup might have been a blessing in disquise, since he is taling a few sabatical weeks to clean up his act. :-)
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| 8:50:55 PM | Solbu | *taking
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