Chat Logs for Episode 574 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 47 Posts:TheFu
With 37 Posts:Garbee
With 27 Posts:MarshMan
With 17 Posts:Solbu
With 12 Posts:Jeff_W


Chat Logs:

6:58:07 PMGarbee oh Jeff_W I have 2 hackintoshes going.
6:58:17 PMGarbee You haven't been around to hear about either I think.
6:58:42 PMSolbu Check received.
6:58:56 PMSolbu But it seems the check bounced.
6:58:57 PMGarbee The check bounced.
6:59:15 PMGarbee lol, we both did a bounce joke at once.
6:59:22 PMGarbee Yes we hear you
6:59:36 PMTheFu I'm hearing thumping.
7:00:06 PMMarshMan The thumping hurt a little
7:00:16 PMGarbee Sadly we hear you RobbieF
7:00:37 PMGarbee RobbieF: You can just turn Jeff_W's and your mic off.
7:00:50 PMGarbee Make tonight a SashaR show.
7:01:25 PMMarshMan SashaR: SashaR SashaR
7:01:27 PMGarbee Yes we can hear you all.
7:01:42 PMGarbee So, I bet tonight we get through 20% of the material with Jeff_W back.
7:02:47 PMGarbee hahahahaa
7:03:36 PMGuest_6968 2 am here
7:04:26 PMMarshMan Jeff_W: Save me some jerky
7:04:40 PMGuest_6968 Finland
7:04:41 PMTheFu "bag a deer" - wouldn't it be kinder to shot it?
7:04:49 PMGarbee reverse lookup the IP
7:04:54 PMGarbee One moment..
7:04:54 PMTheFu s/shot/shoot/
7:05:36 PMSkywriter64 hieveryone
7:05:47 PMGarbee Finland SashaR
7:06:14 PMMarshMan We still love you SashaR
7:06:17 PMCee_128d Two weeks off and Jeff forgets everything about the show.
7:06:25 PMJeff_W you know it
7:07:53 PMGarbee Rabbit poop soldering job.
7:09:04 PMSolbu And yes, No crackle! :-)
7:09:15 PMMarshMan SashaR: Call RobbieF
7:10:08 PMMarshMan Jeff_W: I am up at 4:30
7:10:50 PMCee_128d The only time I'm awake at that time is when I haven't gone to bed yet.
7:10:54 PMTheFu After hours support = time + materials, always.
7:11:20 PMMarshMan Cee_128d: I feel that way sometimes
7:11:42 PMDJMike @RobbieF Donate it to them (her work)
7:11:44 PMTheFu I naturally wake around 4:30a daily.
7:12:03 PMJeff_W exactly cee_128d
7:13:26 PMGarbee I think my bad behavior is rubbing off on RobbieF. He just shamed SashaR on air live.
7:14:09 PMSolbu RobbieF, Jeff_W: Perhaps better explanation: A virtual server is a simulated system, that simulate a real system.
7:15:24 PMTheFu Have a Win7 VM. Stopped patching it over 2 yrs ago. Every few months, the KVM hypervisor suspends it. It has plenty of storage left.
7:15:26 PMMarshMan Jeff_W: You can never have too much pi
7:16:13 PMMarshMan RobbieF: And you had no car
7:17:14 PMTheFu Jeff_W, "slave" isn't an allowed word anymore.
7:17:23 PMGuest_6968 S7 also have another stupid fail. The usb-port replace needs also a screen change.
7:17:57 PMMarshMan TheFu: what's the replacement word?
7:18:48 PMMarshMan RobbieF: except with soldering
7:18:57 PMGarbee SashaR: Trust me, 9/100 is closer to Robbie's actual ratio.
7:19:07 PMTheFu $400 solves a simple HDMI problem. Nice standards.
7:19:48 PMTheFu MarshMan, I don't know, but the python guys have removed "master" and "slave" ... or was it a different team?
7:20:23 PMGarbee Many projects are removing master/slave and whitelist/blacklist.
7:20:24 PMTheFu Jeff_W, I was talknig about SashaR's issue.
7:20:36 PMJeff_W oh ok
7:20:39 PMGarbee Python I believe is one doing it.
7:20:56 PMSolbu Use the partner links to buy a fake sd-card… :-)=
7:21:06 PMMarshMan RobbieF: Rock and roll
7:21:37 PMTheFu Did anyone tell the Facebook viewers what's happening?
7:21:46 PMMarshMan RobbieF: Keep the faith brother!!
7:21:51 PMSashaR Nope
7:21:56 PMSashaR We forgot to!
7:23:11 PMTheFu What happens if the Atmos fills up? Flash a different color?
7:23:35 PMGarbee It stops recording.
7:23:42 PMGarbee So no flashing light that it is recording.
7:24:35 PMTheFu RobbieF, to keep the middleman out, do amazon gift cards work?
7:24:37 PMSolbu A buck here and a buck there is quicly two bucks.
7:26:29 PMTheFu Performance for SBCs: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=16-armlinux-sep2018&num=1
7:26:36 PMCee_128d But can it run Crysis?
7:27:08 PMTheFu Cee_128d, wrong CPU architecture, so probably not.
7:27:21 PMJeff_W LOVE crysis
7:27:46 PMCee_128d I was being facetious.
7:28:43 PMGarbee https://shop.category5.tv/?product=rock64-4k60p-hdr-capable-sbc
7:28:53 PMGarbee In case anyone else is interested in this board.
7:31:35 PMGarbee Once you go 98 cores you don't go back.
7:32:10 PMGarbee https://cat5.tv/pine64
7:33:45 PMMarshMan SashaR: There is a brief echo when Robbie switches to and from the product camera. FYI
7:34:23 PMSashaR Thank you... is it distracting enought to tell him now?
7:34:37 PMTheFu I didn't notice it.
7:34:52 PMMarshMan Very brief
7:35:05 PMSashaR Okay.. then it's not too bad, you have good ears TheFu
7:35:15 PMMarshMan headphones may make it more noticeable
7:35:15 PMTheFu cntl-+ implied a shift was required, right?
7:35:27 PMSashaR MarshMan, I'll tell him on the break :)
7:35:35 PMTheFu SashaR, huh?
7:35:39 PMCee_128d Not worth interupting him during the show. Just let him know for furture shows.
7:35:52 PMSashaR Thank you!
7:35:55 PMMarshMan Yeah it was just an FYI
7:36:57 PMTheFu I use rdate
7:37:21 PMTheFu Security stuff cares about date/time stuff.
7:37:22 PMSolbu TheFu: rdate is not supported by all services, ntpdate is a better idea.
7:37:47 PMTheFu Solbu, I thought NTP stuff wasn't secure anymore.
7:38:09 PMTheFu I still use it, but only on my LANs.
7:38:24 PMGarbee TheFu: NTP is fine. It's just *servers* that are poorly configured are an issue.
7:38:32 PMSolbu ntp is insecure, if you don't secure it. Surprise, surprise.
7:38:34 PMGarbee But, that's just like anything else in tech.
7:38:45 PMTheFu I need to switch to the secure time sync stuff, someday.
7:39:22 PMSolbu I often install chrony on systems that have time problems or doesn't have a RTC clock.
7:39:45 PMTheFu I'm seeing wildly different pricing for the Rock64.... $35 to $95.
7:39:46 PMSolbu chrony is a ntp client/server that doesn't care how large time difference the system is from the ntp servers.
7:40:23 PMSolbu It updates the clock regardless, whereas ntp and openntp refuse to update if the time difference is larger that half a second.
7:42:44 PMSolbu RobbieF, Jeff_W: We didn't hear the audio from the youtube test.
7:43:28 PMSashaR I don't know there was any
7:43:34 PMGarbee RobbieF: But can I mine bitcoin or transcode 4k videos on it?
7:43:36 PMJeff_W ok good
7:43:58 PMGarbee (Sarcasm, don't actually ask that on air.)
7:44:01 PMTheFu Garbee, yes, you can, but it isn't a great idea.
7:44:04 PMTheFu ;)
7:44:42 PMTheFu I tried to transcode a hidef video to 480p using an old Atom N270 ... took about 36 hrs.
7:44:53 PMDJMike @RobbieF Not sure if you are running the BSP but its not working.
7:45:56 PMDJMike Oh ok
7:46:12 PMDJMike Yes for like a sec
7:46:31 PMMarshMan Very brief
7:46:56 PMSolbu RobbieF, Jeff_W: I heard it too. Have heard it for a few months.
7:47:04 PMTheFu Question - at what point does a cheap intel CPU/build make more sense than an SBC that costs $60+
7:47:04 PMMarshMan That's fine
7:47:08 PMDJMike the one shot
7:47:09 PMGarbee It's fine, just hte one shot
7:47:17 PMMarshMan Only product cam
7:47:21 PMSocalMadness Hey @RobbieF what do you use to edit video with
7:47:46 PMTheFu SocalMadness, some commercial Widnows program.
7:47:48 PMGarbee Yea, we had that issue before with that camera.
7:48:20 PMSkywriter64 which linux is he running on the pine?
7:48:22 PMSocalMadness haha
7:48:30 PMGarbee Check for the blinking light!
7:48:48 PMTheFu Is the light still blinking?
7:49:23 PMJeff_W yes
7:49:53 PMeastaustinsttech So by putting on android, can this be used as a "TV" box?
7:49:58 PMTheFu RobbieF, I use some cheap proprietary Windows software for video editing too. For my needs, the Linux options just don't cut it.
7:51:08 PMJeff_W yes you can eastaustiontech
7:51:10 PMeastaustinsttech I go wired
7:51:59 PMGopher is there an android TV distro or are you think regular android eastaustinsttech ?
7:52:11 PMSocalMadness Thank @RobbieF
7:52:33 PMTheFu wouldn't kodi work on the SBC too?
7:53:45 PMGarbee I gotta head home. See everyone who is left around in a bit hopefully.
7:53:57 PMJeff_W night garbee
7:54:01 PMSolbu See you Garbee.
7:54:22 PMSkywriter64 The FU, yes KODI would work.Check with Lon.tv
7:54:48 PMeastaustinsttech now my clients and I can look into dropping spectrum while waiting for GOOGLE fiber
7:55:16 PMTheFu Google found this ... https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=5420 Kodi/AndroidTV on rock64.
7:58:05 PMTheFu ATC is read-only for most accesses.
7:58:27 PMSkywriter64 Bye everyone ,I have to watch the finale of AGT
7:59:20 PMTheFu $100/hr is cheap for telecom expertise.
8:01:45 PMSolbu I'd charge $10 per IP address lookup.
8:03:18 PMTheFu They need to look up by the exact date/time, what IP was assigned to which address. That is at least 2 very different systems.
8:03:46 PMTheFu One will be part of "network" and the other will be part of accounts/billing.
8:04:50 PMJeff_W and this happened years ago...meaning going over old data
8:06:00 PMMarshMan My Mac has never crashed
8:06:51 PMTheFu Jeff_W, the legal team probably sent out a records retention demand initially. That should prevent deletion, in theory.
8:06:52 PMSolbu The swedish ISP Bahnhof solves it by not logging any customer data. They don't log any information on which customer have what IP address, because the swedish law don't (yet) require it.
8:07:39 PMTheFu But ... if a system upgrade happens, the DB schema is likely to change and old records won't be valid anymore.
8:09:43 PMSolbu Jeff_W: Linus recognized this because people in his coding community confronted him with his lack of recognizing peoples emotions.
8:11:31 PMMarshMan Linus has been confronted for YEARS
8:12:01 PMMarshMan Cue the kissing noises
8:12:39 PMTheFu I think Jeff_W is correct. Some "Platinum level" sponsor for the Linux Foundation probably said they were leaving until this was fixed.
8:13:07 PMTheFu Or his kids asked him "why is daddy mean to other people?"
8:13:46 PMGarbee Cool, made it back in time for the end.
8:14:14 PMTheFu Hey ... thoughts on why Linus apologized?
8:14:27 PMJeff_W yup thefu...
8:14:30 PMGarbee SashaR: But you are a bad person for sending a bad patch.
8:14:40 PMGarbee You should know better before sending it in.
8:15:21 PMTheFu Linus thinks if you read 1 byte at a time, you should have been pre-aborted since you are too stupid to find a tit to suck.
8:15:26 PMMarshMan This is killing Jeff_W
8:15:54 PMJeff_W yup
8:16:31 PMTheFu BTW, that isn't a direct quote, but that was the gist.
8:16:41 PMMarshMan Now gimme money
8:16:52 PMTheFu Linus used more colorful wording. ;(
8:17:34 PMMarshMan Not a single crackle all night
8:18:00 PMJeff_W night all
8:18:05 PMTheFu q;night
8:18:11 PMGarbee Bye SashaR and Jeff_W
8:18:18 PMMarshMan TTFN
8:18:24 PMSashaR Good night my dear friends :)
8:19:26 PMTheFu SashaR, https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds for more Linus quotes.

Participants

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Cee_128d
DJMike
Garbee
Gopher
Guest_6968
Jeff_W
MarshMan
SashaR
Skywriter64
SocalMadness
Solbu
TheFu
eastaustinsttech