Chat Logs for Episode 578 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 99 Posts:Garbee
With 59 Posts:MarshMan
With 52 Posts:TheFu
With 25 Posts:RobbieF
With 16 Posts:Ronnicat


Chat Logs:

6:58:12 PMGarbee oooh, that's right.
6:58:25 PMGarbee It's the Line of Sight thing.
6:58:43 PMxXPrOwLeRXx sounds complicated
6:58:46 PMGarbee I think we've talked about so many internet options I now have them all confused.
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6:59:04 PMGarbee Ok, spam hearts
6:59:06 PMGarbee
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6:59:11 PMGarbee
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6:59:14 PMGarbee
6:59:37 PMMarshMan Yes!!!
6:59:54 PMGarbee
6:59:55 PMGarbee
6:59:56 PMGarbee
6:59:57 PMGarbee
7:00:04 PMxXPrOwLeRXx Nailed it Robbie!
7:00:09 PMBlokey Robbie I'm convinced!
7:00:30 PMGarbee removes all heart emojies.
7:00:33 PMTheFu 3
7:01:33 PMGarbee 🙈
7:01:41 PMMarshMan Woooooo Hoooooooo!!!!!
7:02:16 PMMarshMan 🙉
7:04:10 PMGarbee 🤑
7:04:44 PMGarbee https://github.com/Cat5TV/cat5tv-miners
7:04:48 PMMarshMan Way to be @Aaronp
7:05:37 PMMarshMan 💵
7:07:44 PMMarshMan 100,000,000 Satoshi = 1.00000000 ฿
7:08:00 PMGarbee I'm very much looking at Etherium now.
7:08:22 PMGarbee It is what Brave (the web browser) uses for their micropayments thing as I understand it. Or at least part of it.
7:09:36 PMxXPrOwLeRXx So cool watching this become what is today, I have been watching since the Justin..TV days! I just signed up as a patron! Great job at growing this into a legit TV show!
7:09:54 PMSolbu Sasha, RobbieF: I am in trondheim, Norway
7:10:14 PMMarshMan Thanks @xXPrOwLeRXx !
7:10:30 PMxXPrOwLeRXx Fort Myers FL here
7:10:40 PMGarbee questions if Robbie remembers where I am on the map...
7:10:45 PMxXPrOwLeRXx Far from the storm affected area though!
7:10:48 PMGarbee It's been a while.
7:11:59 PMRaughnbo Hi all
7:12:05 PMBlokey Hey I'm not on the map!
7:12:16 PMxXPrOwLeRXx My sister in law is in Orillia
7:12:36 PMRaughnbo Massachusetts here
7:13:05 PMGarbee Oh, so I'm not on the map, but the dot was in the right place....
7:13:08 PMGarbee Who else is watching?
7:13:08 PMBlokey pff
7:14:12 PMGarbee hands Sasha an alcohol wipe.
7:14:32 PMbigkitty yo
7:14:34 PMAaronp Hey from Swansea UK
7:14:46 PMGarbee
7:14:52 PMMarshMan We're here for u @SashaR
7:15:17 PMMarshMan Press record @RobbieF
7:15:25 PMGarbee Oh boy, comments.
7:15:29 PMGarbee 🍿
7:19:11 PMbigkitty hi
7:19:18 PMRonnicat hi
7:19:40 PMGarbee It works for laptops. External one turned sideways.
7:20:18 PMGarbee Many have VESA mount holes. Quite a few do not have them. (I have a Samsung 27" that sadly doesn't.)
7:21:16 PMMarshMan Free bugs
7:21:39 PMGarbee Linux has loads of bugs. We're just more forgiving because we know it is free and libre software.
7:22:17 PMTheFu All software is full of bugs.
7:22:56 PMGarbee printLn('Hello World') ... Bug free statement. 😛
7:23:51 PMTheFu + all the interpreter and compiler bugs that are included for free?
7:23:57 PMMarshMan Free bugs
7:24:00 PMRonnicat @TheFu is so right
7:24:46 PMTheFu I could be convinced that 1 piece of software is bug free ... all others have bugs, hundreds, if not thousands.
7:25:10 PMalpeck He needs to go back and watch episode where Robbie fixes a non-bootable hard drive.
7:25:25 PMRonnicat Everything is Beta to me
7:25:36 PMalpeck Can't do that in windows
7:28:11 PMMarshMan @RobbieF uses Winux
7:28:30 PMGarbee I feel weird going from Linux to Mac... But I'm happy.
7:28:34 PMGarbee 😄
7:28:35 PMRonnicat watch every week from the Roku in the U.S. Virgin Islands
7:29:00 PMTheFu US-VI is beautiful, when not stormy.
7:29:07 PMGarbee 📦
7:29:22 PMRonnicat True and this yeah is a good year
7:29:30 PMMarshMan @RobbieF you need to put a light on the Atomos that the viewers can see
7:29:37 PMRonnicat this year is a good year
7:30:02 PMGarbee
7:30:46 PMMarshMan Talk to the hand
7:33:00 PMSolbu Aand my stream issues are back…
7:33:19 PMTheFu Solbu, it is just you. Kodi is perfect here.
7:33:59 PMRonnicat @RobbieF mind blown by the small board
7:34:34 PMTheFu What software is stable on the board?
7:36:02 PMTheFu 2-board computer now.
7:36:03 PMTheFu ;)
7:37:34 PMGarbee http://cat5.tv/pine64
7:38:14 PMRonnicat cool
7:38:18 PMGarbee (The Rock 64 is currently not listed as of the live show. It will be up soon)
7:38:33 PMGarbee haha, Robbie said it before I could finish typing it.
7:38:54 PMMarshMan @RobbieF Sunday Sunday Sunday
7:39:18 PMMarshMan 😛
7:39:31 PMTheFu GRAVE .... DIGGER!
7:40:26 PMRonnicat I building a new pc . Does anyone know the best VR headset to purchase ?
7:40:46 PMTheFu Ask SashaR
7:41:14 PMRonnicat Thanks
7:42:37 PMMarshMan I believe @SashaR went with the Vive headset
7:43:13 PMRonnicat @SashaR . what is the best VR headset to purchase?
7:43:26 PMGarbee Banks need to support physical authentication chips.
7:43:30 PMRonnicat Thannks @MarshMan
7:44:15 PMRonnicat It is sad when some banks use Windows95 SMH
7:44:17 PMGarbee Like, those Yubico ( https://www.yubico.com/ ) provides. No need to remember a password, just keep up with your USB key.
7:44:18 PMMarshMan Robber @RobbieF
7:44:49 PMRonnicat lmao
7:44:52 PMTheFu Garbee, Yubikey is 2FA - you still need to know the password too.
7:45:44 PMMarshMan Mothers maiden name is the weakest question to use
7:45:55 PMTheFu I've never seen any Yubikey used as the only answer to login questions. Always need to enter the password first, or WITH the TOTP
7:46:02 PMBekahF Facebook didn't exist when we were teenagers lol We're not THAT young haha
7:46:14 PMMarshMan LOL
7:46:23 PMTheFu For all those questions ... lie. Never tell the truth.
7:46:35 PMMarshMan Remember your lies
7:46:38 PMGarbee TheFu, FIDO, is your auth access. https://www.yubico.com/product/security-key-by-yubico/
7:46:57 PMGarbee Their normal ones are the 2FA system. Fido however is the new scheme which directly authenticates you.
7:48:09 PMTheFu I setup my u2f key to authenticate and they all require entering the password first. I don't share auth across multiple sites.
7:48:55 PMTheFu I'm still looking for a way to get yubikey to unlock nextcloud while using Android devices.
7:49:01 PMCee_128d I never give correct answers to those questions. I always make them up and don't even use an answer that fits the question. Such as What city were you born might be answered with frying pan. Who would even thing of guessing that.
7:49:22 PMCee_128d thing = think
7:49:22 PMMarshMan Me now!
7:49:32 PMTheFu I put my lies into the password manager.
7:49:44 PMCee_128d So do I Fu
7:50:30 PMTheFu A travel agency for US DoD leaked 30K+ records this week.
7:50:31 PMSolbu That's it. I'm giving up cat5 live stream for today. This fracking stream issues are with the cat5 stream server.
7:50:45 PMGarbee I think FIDO basically works like PGP (or GPG?) for login. You have a private key (on the drive) and it sends a public key to the remote server. The remote server uses the public key to be your login. As you attempt, it encrypts a secret and sends that to your key to decrypt to verify. If it succeeds, well yea you're that person go on in.
7:51:08 PMGarbee But, I don't know the full details. I wasn't able to read through the whole specification.
7:51:41 PMGarbee But, it literally comes down to, you need that hardware key or a backup code to login.
7:51:52 PMGarbee Uh-oh. Stream is offline!
7:51:53 PMGarbee Red alert!
7:51:55 PMGarbee Red alert!
7:52:07 PMCee_128d Danger Will Robinson.
7:52:10 PMTheFu There are times when "something I have" is sufficient for security, but never for email and anything connected to email.
7:52:13 PMBlokey stream interruption
7:52:46 PMCee_128d No audio
7:52:54 PMTheFu Stream froze about 15 sec, then audio only. No video updates.
7:53:03 PMGarbee Stream is out again. Just uh, try to relax for a few moments while Robbie rushes around.
7:53:20 PMTheFu Has he noticed yet?
7:53:44 PMGarbee It would be very odd if he hasn't.
7:54:12 PMRobbieF k one sec, thanks
7:54:14 PMMarshMan We were doing so well on time too
7:54:16 PMBlokey Strong winds blowing here so maybe their antenna has been disturbed?
7:54:27 PMGarbee There we go
7:54:33 PMGarbee It's back now.
7:54:44 PMMarshMan REALLY1
7:54:50 PMGarbee YouTube just had massive hold-up.
7:54:59 PMBlokey Last 5 minutes or so has been interrupted
7:55:02 PMGarbee Stream was stopping entirely, then resetting back and replaying the same small clip w/o audio.
7:55:12 PMGarbee
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7:55:14 PMGarbee
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7:55:17 PMGarbee
7:55:18 PMMarshMan Yes you were
7:55:19 PMGarbee
7:55:28 PMMarshMan
7:55:36 PMCee_128d MKBHD broke the internet again. Two nights in a row uploading 16k video.
7:55:49 PMTheFu 16TB?
7:55:49 PMbigkitty
7:56:41 PMCee_128d No 16k resolution.
7:58:19 PMTheFu Garbee - there is a newish FIDO2 spec.
7:59:39 PMTheFu Comparison between U2F and FIDO2 https://www.yubico.com/2018/05/what-is-fido2/ - FIDO2 is passwordless.
7:59:53 PMMarshMan As long as the consumer doesn't get complacent about security trusting the manufacturer
8:00:01 PMTheFu That will work for more people, if they can use it.
8:00:09 PMMarshMan Wait, nobody would do that
8:00:21 PMalpeck Make it voluntary and companies will regulate themselfs
8:00:31 PMGarbee TheFu, yup. I mentioned that earlier after you said the Yubico stuff was 2FA only. With the link to their FIDO solution. 😉
8:00:38 PMGarbee I actually just found this one too... https://solokeys.com/
8:00:50 PMGarbee Still being kickstarted. But open source key software.
8:01:00 PMGarbee I may very well try to kickstart it.
8:01:10 PMGarbee Get one early and see how they work.
8:01:50 PMTheFu I consider password-based authentication to be a security failure. ... I have 2 Yubikeys already that google and other cloudy services refuse to let me use.
8:01:57 PMMarshMan Here FIDO, here FIDO
8:02:20 PMTheFu Policy against allowing u2f without having a phone number first.
8:02:38 PMGarbee Passwords were for a different age and technology has just never superseded it until now.
8:02:53 PMGarbee And even now, we're still in the early stages of them being worked out of the way.
8:02:59 PMMarshMan Passwords are so 90's
8:03:07 PMGarbee But, at least now we are making headway and moving forward.
8:03:11 PMTheFu Key-based authentication has been used in enterprises since the 1990s, but it isn't consumer friendly to setup.
8:03:31 PMGarbee It's also been expensive. 😉
8:03:53 PMMarshMan 100,000,000 Satoshi = 1.00000000 ฿
8:03:53 PMTheFu Definitely. You needed a security team to manage the keys.
8:04:16 PMGarbee I'm happy that now we are starting to get reasonably priced solutions for consumers. That companies are starting to support.
8:04:35 PMGarbee Like, I can setup Mac to login with these keys. So I'm absolutely highly interested in getting one now.
8:04:53 PMTheFu And don't forget that ease of use is 1,000 better today than just a few years ago for 2FA.
8:04:54 PMRonnicat awesome tonight
8:05:00 PMGarbee I'm sure there is a PAM module for Linux to do it. I just haven't researched it.
8:05:13 PMTheFu There is a PAM for yubikeys.
8:05:17 PMGarbee
8:06:18 PMGarbee Yea, I want a 2FA device I can use for SSH as well. Which this open source key should handle too soon enough.
8:06:29 PMGarbee I'd freaking love not having to keep up with my private key file anymore. 😛
8:06:38 PMTheFu https://www.yubico.com/why-yubico/for-business/computer-login/linux_login/ and ssh is covered.
8:07:27 PMTheFu You still have to have the keys, but they are secured with 2fa.
8:07:29 PMGarbee Yea, but the SoloKey is open source code on it.
8:07:52 PMTheFu Yubico releases their code too. GPL or BSD, I don't remember.
8:08:17 PMGarbee Oh. Interesting. That I did not know.
8:08:29 PMMarshMan @SashaR is Superwoman for being able to read that thing
8:08:34 PMGarbee And stream is glitched again just now.
8:08:44 PMGarbee came back. But momentarily stopped.
8:08:51 PMRobbieF https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/502271804191277056/20181017_200807.jpg
8:09:17 PMSweSG Good night from Sweden
8:10:30 PMRonnicat Good night everyone
8:10:33 PMTheFu "bars" meant something completely different to me.
8:10:42 PMGarbee So, any idea about the cause of the stream glitches?
8:11:14 PMBlokey @Garbee If their wifi antenna is moving due to the wind then it may be that. I'm just down the road from the studio
8:11:19 PMGarbee Oh yea, speaking of those wireless mics... They are sounding GREAT.
8:11:29 PMTheFu .... I was thinking more about a pub.
8:11:40 PMRobbieF So glad to hear it @Garbee !!
8:12:03 PMRobbieF I've been SO impressed with them. It really makes a difference to have professional ones.
8:12:10 PMMarshMan No echo with the unboxing cam either
8:12:12 PMGarbee I can't tell any difference in sound between those and the wired.
8:12:15 PMRobbieF Wow!
8:12:17 PMRobbieF that's unreal.
8:12:26 PMTheFu Good audio is harder than most people know.
8:12:33 PMMarshMan What?
8:12:44 PMMarshMan 😛
8:12:55 PMGarbee I only think when you are saying certain things it sounds canned. But it's momentary compression.
8:12:56 PMRobbieF I'll show you the rig
8:13:22 PMbigkitty um this is so cool
8:13:26 PMGarbee Other than those very few instances though, it's spot on.
8:13:49 PMRobbieF https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/502273054295064591/20181017_201311.jpg
8:14:10 PMMarshMan Almost lifelike
8:14:39 PMGarbee 🤖
8:14:52 PMRobbieF Top: BBE Sonic Maximizer. Next down: Ultramizer Pro (Behringer) Next Down: The new mic receivers Next down: The antennas Next: the board: Behringer Xenyx 1002B
8:15:05 PMRobbieF and yes, a happy meal box (the virtual reality goggles from Sweden!)
8:15:16 PMTheFu Got an email from amazon providing a login code, but I haven't attempted to login or purchase anything in weeks.
8:15:16 PMbigkitty ?
8:15:50 PMGarbee Oh Robbie... In a few days hopefully you'll see the info on the Amazon order I placed today using the cat5 code.
8:16:23 PMGarbee We bought uh... quite a few seemingly random things today. Right around $200 total which had the cat5 code on it if all worked properly.
8:16:37 PMRobbieF Thanks @Garbee !!
8:16:49 PMTheFu The PinePro64 looks REALLY great. Any performance numbers coming? Does ARM have something like Passmark?
8:16:51 PMMarshMan TheFu, I've been getting spammed with Amazon emails like that
8:17:23 PMRobbieF We will indeed be doing some benches TheFu - just wanted to get the unboxing done so I can start playing with it off-air to prepare.
8:17:40 PMMarshMan Next week @RobbieF ?
8:17:48 PMMarshMan 😛
8:17:48 PMTheFu AmazonEmails - I think someone is trying to hack my account. Doubtful, unless Amazon CSR is overly helpful.
8:17:57 PMRobbieF https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/502274095526707210/20181017_201744.jpg
8:18:27 PMTheFu I don't think I could type my Amazon password in manually and the email account isn't actually an email account, just an alias and only used for amazon.
8:18:29 PMRobbieF a box of x16 PCIe risers!
8:18:30 PMGarbee And uh, I think we had a pretty good conversation on security keys in the chat tonight... Perhaps you could reach out to Yubico or the people behind https://solokeys.com/ and see if they'd like to have someone interviewed to promote the technology.
8:18:31 PMBlokey I'm going back to watching some very old episodes of 'Danger Man' on Utube. Night all
8:18:40 PMRobbieF Night Blokey
8:19:09 PMGarbee I think with FIDO now coming around and the hardware prices coming down it's a good time to help promote moving away from passwords.
8:19:55 PMTheFu OnlyKey ... is like having 6 Yubikey Neos + more for the same price https://www.amazon.com/OnlyKey-Stealth-Black-Case-Communication/dp/B06Y1CSRZX
8:19:57 PMMarshMan Maybe we can set something up ahead of time on yours and build it on the show on mine. Be able to do a complete run through of something?
8:20:09 PMBlokey @Robbie, Is it windy up in your neighbourhood? Streaming interruptions may be due to your wifi antenna?
8:21:11 PMGarbee Onlykey is for like, hardcore nerds.
8:21:20 PMTheFu And security pros.
8:21:26 PMGarbee I would never hand that to a family member to use, nor try to explain that to them.
8:21:40 PMGarbee Hardcore nerds are generally your sec pros...
8:21:42 PMTheFu There's a pin needed to unlock anything + a pin to destroy everything.
8:21:57 PMTheFu It is usually out of stock.
8:22:22 PMMarshMan
8:22:30 PMRobbieF @MarshMan I think you'll be shocked how fast an hour goes by 😃
8:22:31 PMTheFu It was the most loved device last spring when it was first available in my Defcon group.
8:22:37 PMRobbieF We will indeed plan it out.
8:22:47 PMMarshMan Yeah, it was a stretch
8:23:02 PMRobbieF @MarshMan do make sure you have sweaters. It was really cold in here tonight.
8:23:03 PMSolbu Just my luck, when the show is over, the stream decides to work… :-(
8:23:11 PMTheFu Perhaps a 2-hour special is needed for Marshman?
8:23:23 PMMarshMan Ohh, I am ready for you. Wink Wink
8:23:34 PMSolbu RobbieF: I have created a bug repport on the Github page, and added a debug log.
8:23:47 PMstormchaser3000 thank you :D
8:24:04 PMTheFu Solbu, have you increased your buffer for kodi already?
8:24:05 PMGarbee Test
8:24:22 PMBlokey Live show is over stormchaser3000
8:24:22 PMMarshMan TheFu, I just need to make another trip. 😛
8:24:31 PMstormchaser3000 oh ok
8:24:37 PMSolbu TheFu: I can no longer think of anything left to tweak.
8:24:49 PMstormchaser3000 I always seem to be late for everything these days :/
8:25:04 PMTheFu Maybe move to Canada would make it work?
8:25:17 PMBlokey I was prepared this week!
8:25:22 PMSolbu TheFu: Hehe
8:25:23 PMSolbu TheFu: In case it's interesting, I have uploaded the kodi debug log here: https://github.com/Cat5TV/plugin.video.category5/issues/17
8:25:25 PMTheFu ;)
8:25:36 PMMarshMan They wouldn't take me. 😛
8:25:57 PMTheFu Me either - well, not in the eastern part.
8:25:59 PMbigkitty who?
8:26:13 PMMarshMan Canada
8:26:33 PMbigkitty o well
8:26:55 PMMarshMan I will look at job openings. 😛
8:26:59 PMbigkitty that is not good so
8:27:03 PMGarbee test
8:27:11 PMBlokey Canada will smell differently now
8:27:14 PMbigkitty for
8:27:32 PMMarshMan Money
8:27:37 PMTheFu Not everywhere. Some provinces haven't agreed to it.
8:27:50 PMRobbieF thanks for posting Solbu's issue. I replied.
8:28:23 PMbigkitty um you did
8:29:22 PMMarshMan Send another message @RobbieF
8:29:24 PMGarbee Thanks to MailSpring I finally feel like cleaning up my inbox. It isn't terribly slow or too hard.
8:29:37 PMMarshMan Random
8:29:55 PMGarbee What's random?
8:29:59 PMstormchaser3000 i need to clean out my email inbox as well
8:31:12 PMRobbieF * thefu's issue
8:31:23 PMMarshMan Ther you go!
8:33:29 PMstormchaser3000 well i am going to log off then. sorry for being late
8:35:16 PMMarshMan Need to go see what the missus is yelling at while alone in the other room.
8:39:10 PMSashaR I'm really happy I'll be able to go back and read through todays show comments :) I know there was a question about VR (Vive)... And also a comment about the teleprompter (its really not so bad now!) ... Any others I'll get to tomorrow :):) Now to cook!!!
8:39:42 PMMarshMan She says she didn't yell. I'm starting to hear things. Oh, boy.
8:40:37 PMbigkitty who is she
8:40:43 PMbigkitty ?
8:41:04 PMMarshMan The missus
8:41:49 PMRobbieF @SashaR the teleprompter works better/is easier when it's just us two because the shot isn't as wide. I'd love to upgrade to a bigger screen someday... but for now it is what it is: we make it work as well as we can and you do a great job 😃
8:42:27 PMMarshMan I said @SashaR was Superwoman for being able to see that
8:42:56 PMbigkitty know i know
8:45:43 PMMarshMan I am going to again attempt to sleep in my actual bed tonight. Haven't been able to make it through a full night in over four years since my accident.
8:45:50 PMMarshMan I miss my bed.
8:46:41 PMMarshMan Good night all who's left.
8:46:46 PMRobbieF Hope it's a great rest @MarshMan
8:46:49 PMRobbieF Have a nice evening!!
8:47:05 PMbigkitty i am and...
9:06:54 PMSashaR Good night you darlings :)
9:07:19 PMRobbieF Night @SashaR - have a great evening.
9:07:34 PMRobbieF Wednesday can't get here soon enough!

Participants

Does Not Include Lurkers
Aaronp
BekahF
Blokey
Cee_128d
Garbee
MarshMan
Raughnbo
RobbieF
Ronnicat
SashaR
Solbu
SweSG
TheFu
alpeck
bigkitty
stormchaser3000
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