6:58:17 PM | Solbu | btw in exactly 3 weeks I have moved into my new house. :-)
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6:58:33 PM | Solbu | Moving day is wednesday july 17.
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6:59:10 PM | freedos | Hi everyone! I'm JIM HALL from the FreeDOS Project. :-)
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6:59:32 PM | Solbu | freedos: Somehow I figured that. :-)
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6:59:39 PM | freedos | :-)
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6:59:44 PM | MarshMan | Hey there, Jim!
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7:04:22 PM | noeman5 | I started Linux with RedHat, I think it was 5.4
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7:04:54 PM | MarshMan | Ubuntu Dapper Drake for me.
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7:05:45 PM | SweSG | Ubuntu 6.06 here
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7:05:46 PM | Solbu | freedos: regarding when Window s95 and 98 came about, the irony is that when it crashed badly, you needed a dos utility do fix the registry. :-)
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7:06:13 PM | Solbu | It was posibly called scanreg.
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7:06:30 PM | freedos | Microsoft didn't really get rid of DOS until they went to NT
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7:06:37 PM | freedos | I think even Win2000 had a version of DOS in it
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7:06:44 PM | noeman5 | Besides FreeDOS, I also did some of my early programming in QBasic
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7:07:12 PM | noeman5 | Still have some DOS discs lying about
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7:07:24 PM | freedos | I liked that MS-DOS 5 had QuickBASIC included in it. Not a bad BASIC environment.
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7:10:32 PM | freedos | I also got an email once from someone at NASA who was using FreeDOS to recover data from an old system. He wouldn't give details, but that was neat too!
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7:11:37 PM | noeman5 | 25 years in computers is a couple of ice ages.
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7:11:49 PM | freedos | It is definitely a long time :-)
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7:12:29 PM | freedos | FreeDOS is slightly older than Amazon (FreeDOS = June 29 1994 | Amazon = July 5 1994)
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7:12:42 PM | noeman5 | I wonder if it would read the data on a couple of 8-inch floppies I have in storage?
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7:13:09 PM | freedos | Good question. I don't know anyone that's tried to read 8" floppies, but give it a try! :-)
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7:14:13 PM | freedos | FreeDOS is also older than eBay (eBay founded 1995)
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7:14:18 PM | G_Dog1985_ | lol i have floppes drives
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7:15:03 PM | noeman5 | I even have the drive for it, last time I fired it up (9 years ago) it ran fine.
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7:15:11 PM | freedos | Cool! :-)
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7:15:25 PM | Solbu | Some computer vendors ship with Freedos installed for users who order systems with no operatingsystems.
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7:15:43 PM | MarshMan | Powerful thunderstorm about to hit here. May get cutoff.
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7:16:15 PM | freedos | Yes they do! Some of them pre-install FreeDOS to get around an OEM licensing clause - or so I'm told (Pat looked into it, some years ago)
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7:17:07 PM | freedos | The reasoning goes this way: "If you want the Windows OEM discount, you can't sell 'naked' computers with an OS .. and you can't pre-install with Linux."
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7:17:23 PM | freedos | But I don't mind. I think it's neat.
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7:18:03 PM | noeman5 | Break out the King's Quest discs!
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7:18:24 PM | freedos | (But I doubt that loophole exists anymore .. but some manufacturers still pre-install FreeDOS, and that's very cool.)
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7:19:27 PM | freedos | I think King's Quest does run on FreeDOS!
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7:19:34 PM | freedos | Most games run on FreeDOS. :-)
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7:19:38 PM | MarshMan | Could FreeDOS run on an Intel Atom processor?
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7:19:51 PM | freedos | Does Atom have a BIOS? If so, then yes!
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7:19:55 PM | Solbu | My all time favourite dos game is the first two xcom games.
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7:20:02 PM | MarshMan | Yes it does.
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7:20:13 PM | freedos | :-)
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7:20:33 PM | MarshMan | I can try it on an AtomicPi then.
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7:20:51 PM | freedos | Email me and let me know how that goes. I'd love to know!
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7:21:22 PM | SweSG | MarshMan: https://www.lightningmaps.org
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7:22:34 PM | MarshMan | SweSG, I am in that blob in southern NY state.
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7:23:09 PM | freedos | I mentioned AsEasyAs in the interview. This was a great shareware spreadsheet for DOS. TRIUS doesn't support it anymore, but they posted a free activation code on their forum:
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7:23:11 PM | freedos | http://www.triusinc.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10
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7:23:59 PM | stormchaser3000 | what about a replacement for Windows 3.1?
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7:24:08 PM | freedos | Here's the FreeDOS website : https://www.freedos.org/
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7:24:29 PM | freedos | We don't include a Windows replacement in FreeDOS - we're DOS. :-)
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7:24:44 PM | freedos | But there's a free "Windows" replacement called ReactOS that you might want to look at.
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7:24:49 PM | MarshMan | Downloading FreeDOS now
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7:24:53 PM | freedos | :-)
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7:25:10 PM | stormchaser3000 | fair point
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7:25:30 PM | noeman5 | @stormchaser3000 , the windows replacement is called Linux. ๐
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7:25:31 PM | stormchaser3000 | I was just thinking about an open source Windows 3.1 replacement that could run on top of FreeDOS
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7:25:40 PM | stormchaser3000 | also fair point XD
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7:26:02 PM | Solbu | Does Freedos have some hardware drivers in it, such as soundcard drivers?
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7:26:36 PM | Solbu | I.e. can one install freedos and just have the sound work? :-)
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7:27:15 PM | freedos | .. We have a few GUIs in FreeDOS that you might like. SEAL and oZone and OpenGEM. None are "Windows" compatible though.
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7:28:07 PM | freedos | Solbu: DOS has a different driver model. There's no operating system -level support for sound cards. Games and music players supported that on their own.
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7:28:13 PM | Solbu | Whenever I am in a dos environment, be it freedos or Dosbox, I use norton commander as gui.
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7:29:26 PM | freedos | Solbu: That's why so many sound cards of the DOS era were "SoundBlaster16/Adlib compatible." Because SB16 was the de facto sound card.
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7:30:56 PM | Solbu | Last year I cleared my bedrom of old hardware. One of the cards was an actual Soundblaster 16 ISA card.
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7:31:48 PM | Solbu | freedos: Modern sound cards often stil have sb16 compability mode avaliable.
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7:32:52 PM | freedos | :-)
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7:33:15 PM | SweSG | Is this live?
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7:33:21 PM | freedos | For anyone out there running Linux: I use QEMU to boot FreeDOS. Here's the command line:
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7:33:23 PM | noeman5 | Dell HackerAssist installed. ๐
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7:33:23 PM | freedos | qemu-system-i386 -m 32 -k en-us -rtc base=localtime -soundhw sb16,adlib,pcspk -device cirrus-vga -display gtk -fda /home/jhall/lib/qemu/drive_a.img -hda /home/jhall/lib/qemu/drive_c.img -drive file=fat:rw:/home/jhall/dos -cdrom /home/jhall/lib/qemu/FD12CD.iso -boot order=c
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7:33:35 PM | Solbu | Speaking of old hardwqare. I work in a second hand store, selling used goods and old hardware.
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7:33:40 PM | freedos | SweSG: yes, chat is live! :-)
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7:33:44 PM | MarshMan | I am live.
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7:33:55 PM | Solbu | Last year we had a complete Nintendo NES system.
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7:34:06 PM | noeman5 | Last time I checked I was live
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7:34:38 PM | freedos | .. That QEMU command line is so long because you "define" each hardware component separately on the command line. Makes for a messy command line but gives a lot of flexibility. (Use a script to make it easy.)
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7:34:48 PM | noeman5 | Still have my PS1 and PS2
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7:35:00 PM | Solbu | I have a PS2 myself.
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7:38:09 PM | freedos | Thanks everyone!
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7:42:42 PM | MarshMan | Thank you Jim, freedos.
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7:44:15 PM | noeman5 | Congrats Jim!
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7:45:11 PM | Solbu | freedos: I remember I created a dos utility in 1995 or so, because I didn't know how large my drive was, nor how much Free space it had. It is the only program I created my self. https://github.com/solbu/cap
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7:45:20 PM | freedos | Thanks!! 25 years is a big milestone for any project. :-)
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7:46:32 PM | freedos | Solbu: That's great that you posted it!
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7:48:42 PM | Solbu | I tested compiling the souce code in linux using a linux pascal compiler, and it still compiles. :-)
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7:49:12 PM | freedos | Cool :-)
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7:53:00 PM | Ronnicat | Great show! Bye See you guys next week.
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7:53:08 PM | Skywriter64 | goodnite from NYC
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7:53:54 PM | freedos | Goodnight all - thanks for the great chat about FreeDOS :-)
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7:53:58 PM | noeman5 | That show won't take much editing. Should free up some time for you @RobbieF
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7:54:29 PM | MarshMan | Gโnight FreeDOS, Jim!
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7:56:25 PM | noeman5 | Goodnight all!
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9:02:58 PM | bp9 | Oh.. I got all excited because the "Stream Starting Soon" graphic was up... and then I read the chat and saw that the show is already finished... Oh bother...
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9:03:08 PM | bp9 | G'day Y'all! ๐
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9:04:23 PM | bp9 | looks around
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9:06:35 PM | Solbu | :-)
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9:07:14 PM | Solbu | bp9: I hax the same experience for a few seconds after the show endedโฆ only to realise it is a boilerplate text. ;-)
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9:07:21 PM | Solbu | *I had
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9:17:33 PM | bp9 | Hi @Solbu
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9:18:13 PM | bp9 | No worries, I knew I was late but I had some hope that I'd catch the end of the show. ๐
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9:19:00 PM | bp9 | I did enjoy your comments about your old PS1 and PS2 (I think that was you).
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9:24:22 PM | RobbieF | Hi all! Hope you enjoyed the show.
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