6:58:05 PM | Solbu | :-)
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6:58:55 PM | JeffW | Hi people of the internets
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6:59:51 PM | Solbu | Hi jeff.
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7:00:15 PM | MI0RTX | hi robbie
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7:00:27 PM | Solbu | He is putting on his shoes, the end is near!11oneone
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7:01:46 PM | Solbu | Jeff: I saw that on youtube, it was great.
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7:02:55 PM | noeman5 | Whoa, Roku is skipping BAD!
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7:03:00 PM | MoeMaravilla | Hello everyone
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7:03:19 PM | noeman5 | Hi @MoeMaravilla
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7:03:47 PM | Solbu | Ignition sequense starter
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7:05:50 PM | MI0RTX | did know you got double robbie m Jonathan Tomines, aka The Toe Bro, a foot specialis
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7:05:54 PM | MoeMaravilla | Astigmatism @RobbieF ?
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7:06:05 PM | noeman5 | So @JeffW is near-sighted and far-blind, like me. I'm good out to about 100 yards, then things get blurry.
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7:06:42 PM | MoeMaravilla | I have 20/20 after RK surgery in 1993.\
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7:06:56 PM | MoeMaravilla | I also had astigmatism.
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7:07:55 PM | MoeMaravilla | Today it's done via "lasik" surgery.
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7:11:30 PM | Raughnbo | looking good on YouTube live
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7:12:18 PM | noeman5 | yeah, good on the website too (youtube feed).
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7:13:39 PM | TheFu | if you format the SD into f2fs, can't that be used for apps? In short, use better file systems.
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7:14:18 PM | ABQTKY | Solbu Hey, JS, in case you're spending a lot of time out on the slopes this year, please try to stay upright!! Large trees and huge rocks are nice, but not TOO CLOSE. We're all having quite enough excitement this year. 8-)
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7:14:31 PM | Solbu | Hehehe.,
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7:14:44 PM | Solbu | Haven't been skiing since that accident. ;-)
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7:14:52 PM | TheFu | Tree skiing is FUN!
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7:15:14 PM | MoeMaravilla | For the tree?
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7:15:43 PM | TheFu | wishing by the trees.
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7:16:04 PM | TheFu | s/wishing/swishing/
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7:17:06 PM | MoeMaravilla | My android phone (Moto G5), lets me save to the card.. Option is in the camera settings within the app.
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7:17:08 PM | ABQTKY | Solbu I used to drive UNDER the the ski jump very close to downtown Lake Placid, New York. They have road signs that say 'Don't Look, Eyes On The Road.'
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7:17:32 PM | Solbu | Heh. :-)
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7:19:25 PM | Solbu | @RobbieF : The sound is not in sync with the video. Hopefully this is just during the live stream.
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7:19:47 PM | RobbieF | Yup. Live only
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7:19:54 PM | Solbu | Al good then. :-)
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7:20:14 PM | TheFu | sync seems fine here.
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7:20:17 PM | JeffW | Its our "foreign dub" live viewer specia
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7:20:26 PM | ABQTKY | Solbu I drove about fifteen KM past the other end of Lake Placid to Whiteface Mountain. Actually to Little Whiteface Mountain. Rode to the top on their new tram. Beautiful there in late July!!
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7:20:44 PM | JeffW | You get to guess what we are saying before it happens:0)
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7:20:49 PM | Solbu | Hehe
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7:21:12 PM | Solbu | It's only the news recording that is out of sync. Jeff and Robbie were in sync.
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7:21:32 PM | TheFu | sync seems fine here.
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7:21:54 PM | noeman5 | News sync seems fine here
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7:23:26 PM | MoeMaravilla | My company has support for CentOS.
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7:23:44 PM | MoeMaravilla | I will bring this news back to the team.
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7:23:50 PM | Solbu | FreePBX use CentOS as the base for their distro.
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7:24:29 PM | TheFu | there is a fork already, named after one of the centos founders.
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7:24:52 PM | MoeMaravilla | CentOS let's many customers try without the licensing.
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7:25:17 PM | Solbu | CentOS doesn't have paid licenses.
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7:25:35 PM | TheFu | CentOS is **binary** compatible to RHEL. That is very important.
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7:25:46 PM | TheFu | s/is/was/
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7:26:18 PM | MoeMaravilla | Many customers pay RHEL support for production... And use CentOS for dev environments.
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7:27:55 PM | MoeMaravilla | Feel betrayed!!!
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7:29:47 PM | noeman5 | I've played with CentOS a couple of times, but haven't used it much. Then again, I jump from OS to OS a lot, so losing one option doesn't bother me much.
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7:30:00 PM | TheFu | Redhat is a business. Profit matters to businesses. Doing stuff that underminds your profits isn't usually smart business.
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7:30:32 PM | TheFu | CentOS isn't for home desktop users.
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7:30:34 PM | ABQTKY | Redhat is a business that's owned by a business...IBM!!!
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7:30:42 PM | noeman5 | I've got an NVME in my PineBook Pro right now.
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7:31:04 PM | Solbu | TheFu: True, but I was a comment somewhere i can't remember, which said that this just so happened to come about after IBM bought Red Hat.
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7:31:17 PM | Solbu | *i read in
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7:31:53 PM | Solbu | Not sure if it is true, but it was an iteresting comment.
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7:32:10 PM | ABQTKY | TheFu, it's just a coincidence!!!
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7:32:17 PM | TheFu | Centos used to be an independent project from RH.
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7:33:14 PM | noeman5 | Funny, the only Apple product I have is an old MacBook with a pre-IBM CPU.
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7:33:15 PM | Solbu | CentOS started by a single person who started to repackage Red Hat's source RPM packages, changed the branding and released it. After a while Red Hat thought it was a good idea and started supporting it.
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7:34:12 PM | TheFu | CentOS was separate from RH for longer than it has been controlled by RH, i think.
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7:36:26 PM | MI0RTX | the airplane use big rubber band zero fuew
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7:37:06 PM | Solbu | TheFu: Centos started on may 14, 2004. Red Hat started sponsoring it in january 2014.
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7:37:22 PM | TheFu | fuel-cell-electric?
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7:37:32 PM | noeman5 | Sailplanes (gliders) have been flying without fuel for a long time. Wasn't there a solar powered plane that went around the globe a couple of years ago?
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7:38:10 PM | Solbu | noeman5: yes, it was.
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7:38:11 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/plane-bird-flapping-gif-18168730
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7:38:48 PM | noeman5 | @MarshMan , looks like a windows powered plane. lol
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7:42:45 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/airplane-fly-travel-happy-excited-gif-5686712
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7:43:06 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/ok-mickey-mouse-okay-good-gif-11256493
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7:43:23 PM | Solbu | Ooh. I got my name on TV…
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7:43:58 PM | noeman5 | A chuckle from Becka!
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7:44:17 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/take-time-to-unplug-laptop-burning-gif-16980223
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7:44:41 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/hug-virtual-hug-hug-sent-gif-5026057
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7:45:16 PM | TheFu | My line is at 5pm.
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7:45:36 PM | bigkitty | line?
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7:46:01 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-cross-the-line-line-gif-18554280
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7:46:15 PM | bigkitty | mine is at 753pm
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7:46:24 PM | TheFu | Had a job where I was 24/7/364 on-call - carried a pager. No job sense then have I been on call, period.
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7:47:02 PM | TheFu | s/sense/since/
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7:48:02 PM | MarshMan | My solution - win the lottery
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7:48:05 PM | noeman5 | Here's the pic I was thinking of in relation to yours @MarshMan .
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7:48:06 PM | noeman5 | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786393764679254016/winplane.jpg
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7:48:10 PM | TheFu | I may still be working after 5p, but I don't answer phone, email, anything after 5p.
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7:48:41 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-12999722
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7:49:50 PM | MarshMan | Time is one issue. Another is I can get phone calls, texts, emails and MS Teams IMs.
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7:50:04 PM | MarshMan | Too many ways to contact me.
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7:50:13 PM | TheFu | Of course, if I need to be on a meeting at 2am during a server upgrade or with a client in Asia, that's different.
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7:50:46 PM | MarshMan | 3AM call with Dubai one time.
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7:51:30 PM | MarshMan | Global economy makes time zones irrelavant.
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7:52:33 PM | ABQTKY | MarshMan Well, the guys in Dubai were just wandering back in after lunch...maybe 1PM?? Maybe 2PM??
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7:52:47 PM | TheFu | I shifted my hours to Japan-time for a few weeks to help a client, but when that was over, the pbx xfer those calls directly to voicemail.
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7:54:29 PM | Solbu | The guest was awesome… :-)
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7:54:39 PM | TheFu | It was better than going there for even more time and inconvenience. There's only so much Japan that I need in a year. After 15 weeks, I've had enough.
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7:54:47 PM | MarshMan | ABQTKY - I have a global client now getting over 7000 pieces of equipment. Pretty sure I will be working nights sooner or later.
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7:55:44 PM | MarshMan | Or mornings
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7:56:19 PM | ABQTKY | MarshMan Sounds kinda likely...or both nights and mornings...and afternoons...and .............
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7:56:54 PM | Solbu | RobbieF: What do/did you pay for those 2TB SAS drives? SAS drives are _Not_ cheap.
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7:57:13 PM | MarshMan | I so far still have a job so all is good
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7:59:53 PM | ubu | Kill 3-D printing!
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8:00:05 PM | ubu | Awesome
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8:00:11 PM | Solbu | By the touch of Go… ehm, Robbie's hand
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8:00:14 PM | Solbu | ;-)
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8:01:47 PM | RobbieF | They were donated @Solbu#0000
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8:01:48 PM | ubu | I didn’t mean kill, I meant killing it
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8:07:32 PM | Solbu | I notice the guest have a guitar behind him.
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8:07:45 PM | LordHawk | Is there anything you have to do when putting Linux on an SSD?
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8:07:46 PM | Solbu | Which reminds me that I had my Bass amp serviced and fixed last week, so now I can play at home again.
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8:08:26 PM | RobbieF | Nothing different that I'm aware of @LordHawk since drives generally take care of their own trash collection firmware these days.
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8:10:11 PM | LordHawk | I thought there was something because of there being limited read/write lifetime.
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8:10:35 PM | Solbu | One thing one might consider is where to put the swap and /tmp partitions. Nowadays most distros mounts the /tmp as a RAM drive.
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8:13:54 PM | RobbieF | 256GB ram will help @Solbu#0000
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8:13:56 PM | RobbieF | 🤣
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8:14:00 PM | Solbu | Hehe
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8:15:01 PM | LordHawk | Thanks. I am repurposing a work laptop to make it a Linux laptop.
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8:15:29 PM | RobbieF | These days @LordHawk the life of ssd are excellent. It was a concern in the early days.
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8:17:15 PM | MarshMan | Most SSDs now use a form of “Wear Leveling” to spread the usage across all of the cells in the drive to extend the life of the drive.
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8:18:04 PM | MarshMan | Moved my laptop to an ssd and will never look back.
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8:18:28 PM | MarshMan | But...
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8:18:32 PM | MarshMan | Three words
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8:18:41 PM | MarshMan | Backup backup backup
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8:19:06 PM | RobbieF | Always
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8:19:25 PM | LordHawk | I'm glad to here that is the case now. I was worried that I had make adjustments for Linux.
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8:19:53 PM | MarshMan | Running Linux Mint smoooooth as silk
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8:19:56 PM | bp9 | It was basically plug and play for me @LordHawk
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8:20:36 PM | bp9 | Used dd to make a bit-equal image from the spinning drive to the SSD then just plugged int the SSD where the spinner used to be.
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8:20:50 PM | noeman5 | The guest's glasses look like they are straight out of the 60's
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8:21:07 PM | noeman5 | or Army issued.
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8:21:10 PM | RobbieF | That's a flux capacitor on the right.
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8:21:21 PM | LordHawk | In this case, backup is not a problem because the original hard drive had a Windows crash. The CTO of my company, and myself, would like to move the company back Unix via Linux.
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8:23:25 PM | LordHawk | The guest reminds me of some 60s black & white images of a famous computer guru. I can't remember who though.
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8:24:25 PM | MarshMan | Almost any of them
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8:25:07 PM | bp9 | Brains on the Thunderbirds? 🙂
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8:25:40 PM | noeman5 | Wow! @bp9 that's going back a few years. Thunderbirds are go!
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8:25:51 PM | MarshMan | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786403273430925326/IMG_0192.jpg
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8:27:12 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-baby-yoda-wave-baby-yoda-waving-hi-hello-gif-15975082
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8:27:44 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-private-from-penguins-of-madagascar-hi-wave-hey-there-gif-16043627
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8:28:02 PM | noeman5 | Here's Brains (on the left in back.)
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8:28:03 PM | noeman5 | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786403820636602388/thunderbirds-are-go-ss4.jpeg
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8:28:41 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/whatever-sassy-ugh-duh-eye-roll-gif-15963614
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8:29:20 PM | noeman5 | https://tenor.com/view/hello-funny-wave-chicken-gif-13330039
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8:29:39 PM | LordHawk | https://images.app.goo.gl/bT31jQ6HYQQeYZ9v6
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8:29:52 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-wink-trust-me-%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%81%E0%A4%96-gif-10540459
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8:30:07 PM | LordHawk | He reminds me of Isaac Asimov.
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8:30:36 PM | bigkitty | no it's mr been
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8:32:29 PM | LordHawk | Isaac Asimov
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8:32:30 PM | LordHawk | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786404944222748682/340-1
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8:33:13 PM | LordHawk | I have no idea how you people are posting images.
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8:33:58 PM | bigkitty | it's clled gifs
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8:34:08 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-mr-bean-wave-gif-3780800
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8:34:31 PM | noeman5 | Like printers requiring use of the manufacturers' ink cartridge to function properly.
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8:34:35 PM | bigkitty | like this
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8:36:20 PM | noeman5 | @LordHawk , just click on the gif symbol on the end of the text input box and type in which type of gif your are looking for. Or you can just click on the "+" sign on the left of the text input box and supply your own pic.
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8:36:26 PM | bigkitty | @LordHawk cirk the gif button
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8:37:25 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bigstupidgrin-big-stupid-grin-gif-5520081
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8:37:42 PM | bigkitty | i did
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8:38:13 PM | RobbieF | https://c.tenor.com/r_ohng3ySBMAAAAM/its-literally-fun-fun.gif
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8:38:19 PM | noeman5 | https://tenor.com/view/weenie-weeniedog-dog-puppy-cutedog-gif-5018523
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8:38:25 PM | noeman5 | spinning disc
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8:38:54 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-%E4%B8%8D%E9%80%A0-i-dont-know-gif-5094560
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8:39:29 PM | RobbieF | https://c.tenor.com/DTrITDZVR9AAAAAM/paul-rudd-shrug.gif
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8:39:35 PM | RobbieF | https://c.tenor.com/jQ-g5x_lPf0AAAAM/friends-joey.gif
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8:39:42 PM | RobbieF | https://c.tenor.com/vjnjRj8r_HQAAAAM/whatever-shrug.gif
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8:39:45 PM | RobbieF | https://c.tenor.com/PjCHsRLic-sAAAAM/whatever-bleh.gif
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8:39:48 PM | RobbieF | https://c.tenor.com/kDeCFbgtajQAAAAM/meh-dont-know.gif
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8:39:50 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-12999722
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8:39:56 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
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8:40:01 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
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8:40:08 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
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8:40:13 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
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8:40:18 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
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8:40:24 PM | RobbieF | You off @bigkitty ?
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8:40:34 PM | LordHawk | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786406973141811230/Isaac_asimov.gif
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8:40:43 PM | MarshMan | There ya go
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8:40:55 PM | RobbieF | You did it! 🙂
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8:41:14 PM | LordHawk | Don't they look the same?
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8:41:23 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/yay-yes-yeahhh-cute-girl-happy-dance-gif-14559695
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8:41:42 PM | RobbieF | https://c.tenor.com/p-Ounn2RaxEAAAAM/thats-pretty-close-so-close.gif
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8:41:59 PM | bigkitty | https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-%E4%B8%8D%E9%80%A0-i-dont-know-gif-5094560
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8:42:04 PM | MarshMan | Minus the muttonchops
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8:42:18 PM | ubu | Great guest
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8:42:23 PM | LordHawk | I downloaded it on my computer & exported it to gif. The mailed it to myself to use on the phone.
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8:42:50 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/holy-crap-holy-smokes-holy-cow-damn-dang-gif-15083391
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8:42:51 PM | LordHawk | He was a great guest!
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8:43:31 PM | MarshMan | I’ll need to watch the produced version. Too many interuptions
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8:44:00 PM | LordHawk | https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-huh-what-up-dog-gif-5358766
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8:44:56 PM | noeman5 | same here
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8:44:57 PM | LordHawk | https://tenor.com/view/good-night-sweet-dreams-stars-gif-9896433
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8:45:10 PM | MarshMan | What have we started?
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8:45:27 PM | noeman5 | https://tenor.com/view/can-of-worms-gif-10971235
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8:45:43 PM | ubu | @RobbieF = so your Drive sled without the chipset got around the amber light issue?
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8:45:54 PM | MarshMan | https://tenor.com/view/exactly-yes-precisely-absolutely-totally-gif-17449520
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8:45:56 PM | LordHawk | https://tenor.com/view/michi-jumping-cat-out-of-the-box-cute-adorable-gif-17799251
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8:46:54 PM | noeman5 | Have a good night all!
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8:47:05 PM | LordHawk | I knew how to do this, but they didn't have any images of Asimov. Goodnight.
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8:47:07 PM | noeman5 | Great show @RobbieF !
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8:47:33 PM | LordHawk | Great show.
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8:49:03 PM | MI0RTX | good night all
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8:50:00 PM | ubu | With our Dell EMC software it normally tells us an eminent drive failure is about to happen when we see an amber light.
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8:50:32 PM | Solbu | *** MarshMan was kicked by Solbu (Flooding)
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8:50:39 PM | Solbu | :D
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8:52:08 PM | ubu | Red means the drive his failed
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8:52:23 PM | RobbieF | Hope you all enjoyed the show + feature!
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8:52:47 PM | bp9 | Absolutely @RobbieF -- a great show!
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8:53:26 PM | RobbieF | Thanks dude.
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8:56:35 PM | bp9 | Lots of good info on SSD's. I like that you addressed the early problems that SSDs used to have: wear.
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8:57:19 PM | RobbieF | We covered a LOT!
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8:57:25 PM | RobbieF | How will I edit this down to 18 minutes..............
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8:57:31 PM | bp9 | LOL
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8:57:35 PM | RobbieF | There's great info there.
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8:58:19 PM | bp9 | The latency issue is huge... I knew for ages that it takes a finite amount of time for a spinning drive to spin around to the point where it can get the data you asked for.
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8:59:07 PM | bp9 | I love that an SSD eliminates that latency just because it's basically RAM.
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8:59:23 PM | bp9 | I still worry about keeping data long term on an SSD.
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8:59:35 PM | bp9 | As @MarshMan says: backup backup backup
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8:59:47 PM | RobbieF | I really liked Mark's point about using spinners for long-term storage and SSD for "live" data.
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9:00:01 PM | RobbieF | I'm thinking I might shift the studio's storage paradigm accordingly.
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9:00:13 PM | RobbieF | 14 seasons of Cat5 sitting on SSDs? Now, I realize that is a waste.
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9:00:19 PM | bp9 | Good point. That makes a lot of sense. What about in a NAS?
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9:00:36 PM | RobbieF | Exactly: A NAS with Gig ethernet for long-term storage / old data.
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9:00:40 PM | RobbieF | archive basically.
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9:00:53 PM | RobbieF | Can't delete seasons 1-13... but why am I storing them on my main server?
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9:00:58 PM | bp9 | The NAS would have to have spinners in it.
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9:01:02 PM | RobbieF | Exactly!
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9:01:34 PM | Solbu | RobbieF: Is the season archive the produced version only, or also the raw recordings?
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9:01:45 PM | RobbieF | I discard the raw.
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9:01:59 PM | bp9 | The point of a NAS is a shared drive... backup? Not so much.
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9:02:00 PM | RobbieF | ~60-200 GB per episode @Solbu
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9:02:23 PM | RobbieF | Once produced, the raw is purged.
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9:02:38 PM | RobbieF | But I keep local masters which are higher quality than anything online.
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9:02:38 PM | Solbu | If it only the produced versions you archive, then you might ask archive.org to host it.
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9:03:02 PM | RobbieF | No need, with all our torrent seeds. 😄
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9:03:08 PM | RobbieF | though they probably already do... not sure.
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9:03:21 PM | RobbieF | We have TONS of redundancy. that's not an issue here.
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9:03:32 PM | RobbieF | EVERYTHING I do is in multiple backups.
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9:04:07 PM | RobbieF | And when I say multiple, I mean... lots.
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9:04:13 PM | Solbu | For some reason i pictured you making dinner, with backups… :D
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9:04:46 PM | RobbieF | I have local backups with several drive redundancy across several units, plus off-site backup to a collocated server, plus S3, plus syndication, plus .... more and more.
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9:06:50 PM | bp9 | Lots-o-storage 🙂
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9:10:11 PM | RobbieF | Have to.
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9:10:42 PM | bp9 | Ooh, I just tuned in to the live broadcast -- doing a re-run?
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9:11:24 PM | RobbieF | I always post it for Patrons.
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9:11:32 PM | RobbieF | So just working on the final edit before I publish.
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9:11:39 PM | RobbieF | cutting off the lead and tail.
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9:13:21 PM | bp9 | Oh... when it faded to black the first time I assumed you were done. I came back later and I see the show running again on the live stream LOL
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9:16:50 PM | bp9 | Now I can watch the bits i missed LOL
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9:24:37 PM | RobbieF | Great!
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9:24:40 PM | RobbieF | 🙂 Enjoy!
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9:24:55 PM | bp9 | You don't have to do that on my account LOL
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