Chat Logs for Episode 669 — #Category5 on irc.freenode.net / cat5.tv/discord


MVP's:

With 47 Posts:MarshMan
With 45 Posts:RobbieF
With 34 Posts:Solbu
With 27 Posts:noeman5
With 23 Posts:bigkitty


Chat Logs:

6:58:05 PMSolbu :-)
6:58:55 PMJeffW Hi people of the internets
6:59:51 PMSolbu Hi jeff.
7:00:15 PMMI0RTX hi robbie
7:00:27 PMSolbu He is putting on his shoes, the end is near!11oneone
7:01:46 PMSolbu Jeff: I saw that on youtube, it was great.
7:02:55 PMnoeman5 Whoa, Roku is skipping BAD!
7:03:00 PMMoeMaravilla Hello everyone
7:03:19 PMnoeman5 Hi @MoeMaravilla
7:03:47 PMSolbu Ignition sequense starter
7:05:50 PMMI0RTX did know you got double robbie m Jonathan Tomines, aka The Toe Bro, a foot specialis
7:05:54 PMMoeMaravilla Astigmatism @RobbieF ?
7:06:05 PMnoeman5 So @JeffW is near-sighted and far-blind, like me. I'm good out to about 100 yards, then things get blurry.
7:06:42 PMMoeMaravilla I have 20/20 after RK surgery in 1993.\
7:06:56 PMMoeMaravilla I also had astigmatism.
7:07:55 PMMoeMaravilla Today it's done via "lasik" surgery.
7:11:30 PMRaughnbo looking good on YouTube live
7:12:18 PMnoeman5 yeah, good on the website too (youtube feed).
7:13:39 PMTheFu if you format the SD into f2fs, can't that be used for apps? In short, use better file systems.
7:14:18 PMABQTKY Solbu Hey, JS, in case you're spending a lot of time out on the slopes this year, please try to stay upright!! Large trees and huge rocks are nice, but not TOO CLOSE. We're all having quite enough excitement this year. 8-)
7:14:31 PMSolbu Hehehe.,
7:14:44 PMSolbu Haven't been skiing since that accident. ;-)
7:14:52 PMTheFu Tree skiing is FUN!
7:15:14 PMMoeMaravilla For the tree?
7:15:43 PMTheFu wishing by the trees.
7:16:04 PMTheFu s/wishing/swishing/
7:17:06 PMMoeMaravilla My android phone (Moto G5), lets me save to the card.. Option is in the camera settings within the app.
7:17:08 PMABQTKY Solbu I used to drive UNDER the the ski jump very close to downtown Lake Placid, New York. They have road signs that say 'Don't Look, Eyes On The Road.'
7:17:32 PMSolbu Heh. :-)
7:19:25 PMSolbu @RobbieF : The sound is not in sync with the video. Hopefully this is just during the live stream.
7:19:47 PMRobbieF Yup. Live only
7:19:54 PMSolbu Al good then. :-)
7:20:14 PMTheFu sync seems fine here.
7:20:17 PMJeffW Its our "foreign dub" live viewer specia
7:20:26 PMABQTKY Solbu I drove about fifteen KM past the other end of Lake Placid to Whiteface Mountain. Actually to Little Whiteface Mountain. Rode to the top on their new tram. Beautiful there in late July!!
7:20:44 PMJeffW You get to guess what we are saying before it happens:0)
7:20:49 PMSolbu Hehe
7:21:12 PMSolbu It's only the news recording that is out of sync. Jeff and Robbie were in sync.
7:21:32 PMTheFu sync seems fine here.
7:21:54 PMnoeman5 News sync seems fine here
7:23:26 PMMoeMaravilla My company has support for CentOS.
7:23:44 PMMoeMaravilla I will bring this news back to the team.
7:23:50 PMSolbu FreePBX use CentOS as the base for their distro.
7:24:29 PMTheFu there is a fork already, named after one of the centos founders.
7:24:52 PMMoeMaravilla CentOS let's many customers try without the licensing.
7:25:17 PMSolbu CentOS doesn't have paid licenses.
7:25:35 PMTheFu CentOS is **binary** compatible to RHEL. That is very important.
7:25:46 PMTheFu s/is/was/
7:26:18 PMMoeMaravilla Many customers pay RHEL support for production... And use CentOS for dev environments.
7:27:55 PMMoeMaravilla Feel betrayed!!!
7:29:47 PMnoeman5 I've played with CentOS a couple of times, but haven't used it much. Then again, I jump from OS to OS a lot, so losing one option doesn't bother me much.
7:30:00 PMTheFu Redhat is a business. Profit matters to businesses. Doing stuff that underminds your profits isn't usually smart business.
7:30:32 PMTheFu CentOS isn't for home desktop users.
7:30:34 PMABQTKY Redhat is a business that's owned by a business...IBM!!!
7:30:42 PMnoeman5 I've got an NVME in my PineBook Pro right now.
7:31:04 PMSolbu TheFu: True, but I was a comment somewhere i can't remember, which said that this just so happened to come about after IBM bought Red Hat.
7:31:17 PMSolbu *i read in
7:31:53 PMSolbu Not sure if it is true, but it was an iteresting comment.
7:32:10 PMABQTKY TheFu, it's just a coincidence!!!
7:32:17 PMTheFu Centos used to be an independent project from RH.
7:33:14 PMnoeman5 Funny, the only Apple product I have is an old MacBook with a pre-IBM CPU.
7:33:15 PMSolbu CentOS started by a single person who started to repackage Red Hat's source RPM packages, changed the branding and released it. After a while Red Hat thought it was a good idea and started supporting it.
7:34:12 PMTheFu CentOS was separate from RH for longer than it has been controlled by RH, i think.
7:36:26 PMMI0RTX the airplane use big rubber band zero fuew
7:37:06 PMSolbu TheFu: Centos started on may 14, 2004. Red Hat started sponsoring it in january 2014.
7:37:22 PMTheFu fuel-cell-electric?
7:37:32 PMnoeman5 Sailplanes (gliders) have been flying without fuel for a long time. Wasn't there a solar powered plane that went around the globe a couple of years ago?
7:38:10 PMSolbu noeman5: yes, it was.
7:38:11 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/plane-bird-flapping-gif-18168730
7:38:48 PMnoeman5 @MarshMan , looks like a windows powered plane. lol
7:42:45 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/airplane-fly-travel-happy-excited-gif-5686712
7:43:06 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/ok-mickey-mouse-okay-good-gif-11256493
7:43:23 PMSolbu Ooh. I got my name on TV…
7:43:58 PMnoeman5 A chuckle from Becka!
7:44:17 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/take-time-to-unplug-laptop-burning-gif-16980223
7:44:41 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/hug-virtual-hug-hug-sent-gif-5026057
7:45:16 PMTheFu My line is at 5pm.
7:45:36 PMbigkitty line?
7:46:01 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-cross-the-line-line-gif-18554280
7:46:15 PMbigkitty mine is at 753pm
7:46:24 PMTheFu Had a job where I was 24/7/364 on-call - carried a pager. No job sense then have I been on call, period.
7:47:02 PMTheFu s/sense/since/
7:48:02 PMMarshMan My solution - win the lottery
7:48:05 PMnoeman5 Here's the pic I was thinking of in relation to yours @MarshMan .
7:48:06 PMnoeman5 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786393764679254016/winplane.jpg
7:48:10 PMTheFu I may still be working after 5p, but I don't answer phone, email, anything after 5p.
7:48:41 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-12999722
7:49:50 PMMarshMan Time is one issue. Another is I can get phone calls, texts, emails and MS Teams IMs.
7:50:04 PMMarshMan Too many ways to contact me.
7:50:13 PMTheFu Of course, if I need to be on a meeting at 2am during a server upgrade or with a client in Asia, that's different.
7:50:46 PMMarshMan 3AM call with Dubai one time.
7:51:30 PMMarshMan Global economy makes time zones irrelavant.
7:52:33 PMABQTKY MarshMan Well, the guys in Dubai were just wandering back in after lunch...maybe 1PM?? Maybe 2PM??
7:52:47 PMTheFu I shifted my hours to Japan-time for a few weeks to help a client, but when that was over, the pbx xfer those calls directly to voicemail.
7:54:29 PMSolbu The guest was awesome… :-)
7:54:39 PMTheFu It was better than going there for even more time and inconvenience. There's only so much Japan that I need in a year. After 15 weeks, I've had enough.
7:54:47 PMMarshMan ABQTKY - I have a global client now getting over 7000 pieces of equipment. Pretty sure I will be working nights sooner or later.
7:55:44 PMMarshMan Or mornings
7:56:19 PMABQTKY MarshMan Sounds kinda likely...or both nights and mornings...and afternoons...and .............
7:56:54 PMSolbu RobbieF: What do/did you pay for those 2TB SAS drives? SAS drives are _Not_ cheap.
7:57:13 PMMarshMan I so far still have a job so all is good
7:59:53 PMubu Kill 3-D printing!
8:00:05 PMubu Awesome
8:00:11 PMSolbu By the touch of Go… ehm, Robbie's hand
8:00:14 PMSolbu ;-)
8:01:47 PMRobbieF They were donated @Solbu#0000
8:01:48 PMubu I didn’t mean kill, I meant killing it
8:07:32 PMSolbu I notice the guest have a guitar behind him.
8:07:45 PMLordHawk Is there anything you have to do when putting Linux on an SSD?
8:07:46 PMSolbu Which reminds me that I had my Bass amp serviced and fixed last week, so now I can play at home again.
8:08:26 PMRobbieF Nothing different that I'm aware of @LordHawk since drives generally take care of their own trash collection firmware these days.
8:10:11 PMLordHawk I thought there was something because of there being limited read/write lifetime.
8:10:35 PMSolbu One thing one might consider is where to put the swap and /tmp partitions. Nowadays most distros mounts the /tmp as a RAM drive.
8:13:54 PMRobbieF 256GB ram will help @Solbu#0000
8:13:56 PMRobbieF 🤣
8:14:00 PMSolbu Hehe
8:15:01 PMLordHawk Thanks. I am repurposing a work laptop to make it a Linux laptop.
8:15:29 PMRobbieF These days @LordHawk the life of ssd are excellent. It was a concern in the early days.
8:17:15 PMMarshMan Most SSDs now use a form of “Wear Leveling” to spread the usage across all of the cells in the drive to extend the life of the drive.
8:18:04 PMMarshMan Moved my laptop to an ssd and will never look back.
8:18:28 PMMarshMan But...
8:18:32 PMMarshMan Three words
8:18:41 PMMarshMan Backup backup backup
8:19:06 PMRobbieF Always
8:19:25 PMLordHawk I'm glad to here that is the case now. I was worried that I had make adjustments for Linux.
8:19:53 PMMarshMan Running Linux Mint smoooooth as silk
8:19:56 PMbp9 It was basically plug and play for me @LordHawk
8:20:36 PMbp9 Used dd to make a bit-equal image from the spinning drive to the SSD then just plugged int the SSD where the spinner used to be.
8:20:50 PMnoeman5 The guest's glasses look like they are straight out of the 60's
8:21:07 PMnoeman5 or Army issued.
8:21:10 PMRobbieF That's a flux capacitor on the right.
8:21:21 PMLordHawk In this case, backup is not a problem because the original hard drive had a Windows crash. The CTO of my company, and myself, would like to move the company back Unix via Linux.
8:23:25 PMLordHawk The guest reminds me of some 60s black & white images of a famous computer guru. I can't remember who though.
8:24:25 PMMarshMan Almost any of them
8:25:07 PMbp9 Brains on the Thunderbirds? 🙂
8:25:40 PMnoeman5 Wow! @bp9 that's going back a few years. Thunderbirds are go!
8:25:51 PMMarshMan https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786403273430925326/IMG_0192.jpg
8:27:12 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-baby-yoda-wave-baby-yoda-waving-hi-hello-gif-15975082
8:27:44 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-private-from-penguins-of-madagascar-hi-wave-hey-there-gif-16043627
8:28:02 PMnoeman5 Here's Brains (on the left in back.)
8:28:03 PMnoeman5 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786403820636602388/thunderbirds-are-go-ss4.jpeg
8:28:41 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/whatever-sassy-ugh-duh-eye-roll-gif-15963614
8:29:20 PMnoeman5 https://tenor.com/view/hello-funny-wave-chicken-gif-13330039
8:29:39 PMLordHawk https://images.app.goo.gl/bT31jQ6HYQQeYZ9v6
8:29:52 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-wink-trust-me-%E0%A4%86%E0%A4%81%E0%A4%96-gif-10540459
8:30:07 PMLordHawk He reminds me of Isaac Asimov.
8:30:36 PMbigkitty no it's mr been
8:32:29 PMLordHawk Isaac Asimov
8:32:30 PMLordHawk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786404944222748682/340-1
8:33:13 PMLordHawk I have no idea how you people are posting images.
8:33:58 PMbigkitty it's clled gifs
8:34:08 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-mr-bean-wave-gif-3780800
8:34:31 PMnoeman5 Like printers requiring use of the manufacturers' ink cartridge to function properly.
8:34:35 PMbigkitty like this
8:36:20 PMnoeman5 @LordHawk , just click on the gif symbol on the end of the text input box and type in which type of gif your are looking for. Or you can just click on the "+" sign on the left of the text input box and supply your own pic.
8:36:26 PMbigkitty @LordHawk cirk the gif button
8:37:25 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bigstupidgrin-big-stupid-grin-gif-5520081
8:37:42 PMbigkitty i did
8:38:13 PMRobbieF https://c.tenor.com/r_ohng3ySBMAAAAM/its-literally-fun-fun.gif
8:38:19 PMnoeman5 https://tenor.com/view/weenie-weeniedog-dog-puppy-cutedog-gif-5018523
8:38:25 PMnoeman5 spinning disc
8:38:54 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-%E4%B8%8D%E9%80%A0-i-dont-know-gif-5094560
8:39:29 PMRobbieF https://c.tenor.com/DTrITDZVR9AAAAAM/paul-rudd-shrug.gif
8:39:35 PMRobbieF https://c.tenor.com/jQ-g5x_lPf0AAAAM/friends-joey.gif
8:39:42 PMRobbieF https://c.tenor.com/vjnjRj8r_HQAAAAM/whatever-shrug.gif
8:39:45 PMRobbieF https://c.tenor.com/PjCHsRLic-sAAAAM/whatever-bleh.gif
8:39:48 PMRobbieF https://c.tenor.com/kDeCFbgtajQAAAAM/meh-dont-know.gif
8:39:50 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-12999722
8:39:56 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
8:40:01 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
8:40:08 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
8:40:13 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
8:40:18 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/bye-please-gif-13418631
8:40:24 PMRobbieF You off @bigkitty ?
8:40:34 PMLordHawk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495592877733183489/786406973141811230/Isaac_asimov.gif
8:40:43 PMMarshMan There ya go
8:40:55 PMRobbieF You did it! 🙂
8:41:14 PMLordHawk Don't they look the same?
8:41:23 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/yay-yes-yeahhh-cute-girl-happy-dance-gif-14559695
8:41:42 PMRobbieF https://c.tenor.com/p-Ounn2RaxEAAAAM/thats-pretty-close-so-close.gif
8:41:59 PMbigkitty https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-%E4%B8%8D%E9%80%A0-i-dont-know-gif-5094560
8:42:04 PMMarshMan Minus the muttonchops
8:42:18 PMubu Great guest
8:42:23 PMLordHawk I downloaded it on my computer & exported it to gif. The mailed it to myself to use on the phone.
8:42:50 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/holy-crap-holy-smokes-holy-cow-damn-dang-gif-15083391
8:42:51 PMLordHawk He was a great guest!
8:43:31 PMMarshMan I’ll need to watch the produced version. Too many interuptions
8:44:00 PMLordHawk https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-huh-what-up-dog-gif-5358766
8:44:56 PMnoeman5 same here
8:44:57 PMLordHawk https://tenor.com/view/good-night-sweet-dreams-stars-gif-9896433
8:45:10 PMMarshMan What have we started?
8:45:27 PMnoeman5 https://tenor.com/view/can-of-worms-gif-10971235
8:45:43 PMubu @RobbieF = so your Drive sled without the chipset got around the amber light issue?
8:45:54 PMMarshMan https://tenor.com/view/exactly-yes-precisely-absolutely-totally-gif-17449520
8:45:56 PMLordHawk https://tenor.com/view/michi-jumping-cat-out-of-the-box-cute-adorable-gif-17799251
8:46:54 PMnoeman5 Have a good night all!
8:47:05 PMLordHawk I knew how to do this, but they didn't have any images of Asimov. Goodnight.
8:47:07 PMnoeman5 Great show @RobbieF !
8:47:33 PMLordHawk Great show.
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8:49:03 PMMI0RTX good night all
8:50:00 PMubu With our Dell EMC software it normally tells us an eminent drive failure is about to happen when we see an amber light.
8:50:32 PMSolbu *** MarshMan was kicked by Solbu (Flooding)
8:50:39 PMSolbu :D
8:52:08 PMubu Red means the drive his failed
8:52:23 PMRobbieF Hope you all enjoyed the show + feature!
8:52:47 PMbp9 Absolutely @RobbieF -- a great show!
8:53:26 PMRobbieF Thanks dude.
8:56:35 PMbp9 Lots of good info on SSD's. I like that you addressed the early problems that SSDs used to have: wear.
8:57:19 PMRobbieF We covered a LOT!
8:57:25 PMRobbieF How will I edit this down to 18 minutes..............
8:57:31 PMbp9 LOL
8:57:35 PMRobbieF There's great info there.
8:58:19 PMbp9 The latency issue is huge... I knew for ages that it takes a finite amount of time for a spinning drive to spin around to the point where it can get the data you asked for.
8:59:07 PMbp9 I love that an SSD eliminates that latency just because it's basically RAM.
8:59:23 PMbp9 I still worry about keeping data long term on an SSD.
8:59:35 PMbp9 As @MarshMan says: backup backup backup
8:59:47 PMRobbieF I really liked Mark's point about using spinners for long-term storage and SSD for "live" data.
9:00:01 PMRobbieF I'm thinking I might shift the studio's storage paradigm accordingly.
9:00:13 PMRobbieF 14 seasons of Cat5 sitting on SSDs? Now, I realize that is a waste.
9:00:19 PMbp9 Good point. That makes a lot of sense. What about in a NAS?
9:00:36 PMRobbieF Exactly: A NAS with Gig ethernet for long-term storage / old data.
9:00:40 PMRobbieF archive basically.
9:00:53 PMRobbieF Can't delete seasons 1-13... but why am I storing them on my main server?
9:00:58 PMbp9 The NAS would have to have spinners in it.
9:01:02 PMRobbieF Exactly!
9:01:34 PMSolbu RobbieF: Is the season archive the produced version only, or also the raw recordings?
9:01:45 PMRobbieF I discard the raw.
9:01:59 PMbp9 The point of a NAS is a shared drive... backup? Not so much.
9:02:00 PMRobbieF ~60-200 GB per episode @Solbu
9:02:23 PMRobbieF Once produced, the raw is purged.
9:02:38 PMRobbieF But I keep local masters which are higher quality than anything online.
9:02:38 PMSolbu If it only the produced versions you archive, then you might ask archive.org to host it.
9:03:02 PMRobbieF No need, with all our torrent seeds. 😄
9:03:08 PMRobbieF though they probably already do... not sure.
9:03:21 PMRobbieF We have TONS of redundancy. that's not an issue here.
9:03:32 PMRobbieF EVERYTHING I do is in multiple backups.
9:04:07 PMRobbieF And when I say multiple, I mean... lots.
9:04:13 PMSolbu For some reason i pictured you making dinner, with backups… :D
9:04:46 PMRobbieF I have local backups with several drive redundancy across several units, plus off-site backup to a collocated server, plus S3, plus syndication, plus .... more and more.
9:06:50 PMbp9 Lots-o-storage 🙂
9:10:11 PMRobbieF Have to.
9:10:42 PMbp9 Ooh, I just tuned in to the live broadcast -- doing a re-run?
9:11:24 PMRobbieF I always post it for Patrons.
9:11:32 PMRobbieF So just working on the final edit before I publish.
9:11:39 PMRobbieF cutting off the lead and tail.
9:13:21 PMbp9 Oh... when it faded to black the first time I assumed you were done. I came back later and I see the show running again on the live stream LOL
9:16:50 PMbp9 Now I can watch the bits i missed LOL
9:24:37 PMRobbieF Great!
9:24:40 PMRobbieF 🙂 Enjoy!
9:24:55 PMbp9 You don't have to do that on my account LOL

Participants

Does Not Include Lurkers
ABQTKY
JeffW
LordHawk
MI0RTX
MarshMan
MoeMaravilla
Raughnbo
RobbieF
Solbu
TheFu
bigkitty
bp9
noeman5
ubu